Linuxers January 2010

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GRUB issue
by Mayur Pawar 21 Jan '10

21 Jan '10

hi, I am having a dual boot machine with Ubuntu 7.04 and Windows XP. Yesterday i replaced Ubuntu 7.04 with Ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition and updated it. After updating i restarted my machine and the GRUB took unbelievably long time. It took almost 15 mins to load. It was not the same with 7.04. Also before i updated 9.10 the GRUB was fast enough. Now it takes a lot of time to kick in. Any help on this?..as in why its taking so long and how can i work it around?..i dont intend to reinstall the OS.. Regards, Mayur K. Pawar

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Specific issues with version 2.4 of Draft Policy on Open Standards for eGovernance (India)
by narendra sisodiya 21 Jan '10

21 Jan '10

*Specific issues with version 2.4 of Draft Policy on Open Standards for eGovernance (India)* This document examines the Draft Policy on Open Standards for eGovernment v2.4 dated 25.11.2009 and the process followed in adopting the same. You can download from http://fosscomm.in/OpenStandards . If v2.4 is adopted as official policy, it will result in: 1. The legitimization of proprietary standards that entail the payment of royalty fees and huge foreign exchange outflows. This cost will be paid by Indian taxpayers and pocketed by monopolistic vendors located in foreign countries, since most proprietary standards are controlled by entities outside India. Unlike royaltyfree open standards, the usage of proprietary standards will mean that users will, directly or indirectly, pay a royalty to a private entity for the privilege of communicating with the government. 2. Reduce eGovernment in India to a mess of incompatible systems that cannot communicate with each other, thus defeating the very purpose of eGovernment, if multiple standards for the same purpose are allowed. *Logical inconsistencies in v2.4* This section points out some of the most apparent flaws in v2.4 though it is not an exhaustive list. In particular, we would like to draw attention to the utterly lax manner in which one of the key clauses in section 4.1 titled "Mandatory Characteristics," has been drafted. "4.1.2 The essential patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should preferably be available on a RoyaltyFree (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered." *Inconsistency #1:* The use of a phrase like, "should preferably be available on a RoyaltyFree (no payment and no restrictions) basis," contradicts the title of the section, which is, "Mandatory Characteristics" and makes the usage of the Identified Standard nonbinding. This renders the entire policy meaningless. By wording this clause in such a casual manner, the government is surrendering its policy making responsibilities to market forces that are driven to extract maximum profits from tax payers. * Inconsistency #2: *The government has a serious longterm responsibility of safeguarding its citizens data. Egovernment data remains valid for decades, if not centuries and the archival and preservation of this data is critical. In this context, we would like to point out that v2.4 does not even explain or define "essential patent claims," which is one of the most important terms in this policy. The implementation of a standard cannot be bifurcated into "essential" and nonessential" parts. The policy v2.4 is also silent on how the government will distinguish "essential patent claims" from nonessential patent claims. Egovernment data stored in formats with such unclear rights could be subject to litigation. Therefore, we would like to submit that ALL patent claims on a standard should be made available on a royaltyfree basis so that there are no problems in the foreseeable future. * Procedural issues with v2.4* 1. Apart from these above mentioned inconsistencies, there is also no change log that explains the reasons for introducing new terms in v2.4 and the major directional changes made in this version, as compared to v2.0. 2. It has also been brought to our notice that the expert committee constituted by Department of Information Technology that was involved in drafting this policy since 2007 and was responsible for creating v2.0 that was acclaimed by Civil Society Organizations, was not even informed of the creation and adoption of v2.4. This is a significant disservice to the expert committee Such undemocratic actions will only dissuade public spirited citizens from participating in national policy making processes, especially if these process are marked by lack of transparency and accountability on the part of the government. 3. While Department of Information Technology has invited industry lobbies and trade associations to be part of Apex Committee on Open Standards, it has given no representation to Civil Society Organizations. In fact, the inputs sent in by organizations like National Campaign for People's Right to Information, IT For Change, Center for Internet and Society, Knowledge Commons and others have been completely ignored by Department of Information Technology. *Financial Issues * From an eGovernment perspective, when royaltyfree standards are available, or can be created, it is perfectly rational, economic behavior to opt for such standards. There are very few situations where the government will be able to justify the use of proprietary standards that are controlled by monopolies and entail the payment of huge royalties. Our national data should not be stored in formats that are trade secrets of vendors or controlled by vendors through patents and other forms of protection that enable them to extract royalties and other rents. Furthermore, it has to be recognized that open standards do not preclude anyone from implementing them. If India's egov data is stored in proprietary data formats, the cost of using these formats will grow as we get more and more invested in egovernance. Therefore the government must draw strict rules in favor of open, royaltyfree standards and mandate that ALL stakeholders involved in e Governance adhere strictly to these standards. * Policy issues* As an emerging software superpower, the IT policies formulated in India are closely monitored and emulated. If a poorly worded, logically inconsistent draft like v2.4 becomes national policy, India will be a laughing stock in the community of nations. From a policymaking perspective, the government has repeatedly appealed to educated Indians to contribute to national goals and policy making. However, if software monopolies can so easily defeat policies that are aimed at protecting national interests, this is a serious discouragement to all the public spirited academics and citizens who have volunteered their time and effort to drafting this policy. This will send a strong negative signal to those who wish to contribute to policy making and dissuade them from participating in such policy making processes. We therefore request urgent corrective steps to ensure that the Draft Policy on Open Standards for e Government results in the creation of a meaningful policy that protects the interests of the country. ┌─────────────────────────┐ │ Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │ Society for Knowledge Commons │ Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─────────────────────────┘

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pop3 mail checker/notifier application
by RSCL Mumbai 20 Jan '10

20 Jan '10

Hi, I am looking for an application which will sit in the system tray, check multiple pop3 mailboxes at predefined intervals, pop-up / notify when a new email is received. Any recommendations for such an application ? On windows desktop I have been using *Magic Mail Monitor* & *PopPeeper*. Both are brilliant applications. Now I need something similar for my linux desktops. Thx Sandeep

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] pop3 mail checker/notifier application
by steve 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hi, On 01/19/2010 03:55 PM, RSCL Mumbai wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for an application which will sit in the system > tray, check > multiple pop3 mailboxes at predefined intervals, pop-up / notify > when a new > email is received. > Any recommendations for such an application ? > > Which desktop manager do you use ? There is this ultra-cool web page > that I visit when I want something like this[1]. > > > Gnome. > > Googling since an hour, but not much help. > What exactly did you google for ? http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+mail+notification http://www.google.com/search?q=gnome+mail+notification http://www.google.com/search?q=mail+notification+in+gnome http://www.google.com/search?q=i+want+a+mail+notifier+for+gnome The first result for all of those is the link that I sent you in my reply ! Even /these/ gives relevant results: http://www.google.com/search?q=mail+popup+thingy+in+linux (2nd freaking result !!!) http://www.google.com/search?q=i+want+a+mail+notifier+for+linux http://www.google.com/search?q=i+want+a+mail+notification+applet+for+gnome and dammit ! ..even these exist: http://www.google.com/search?q=Magic+Mail+Monitor+for+linux http://www.google.com/search?q=PopPeeper+linux (again, the *second* result mentions the very same app, I sent the link to in my reply) <rant> If there's something more annoying than an idiot who makes mistakes is an idiot who would tries to cover it up with bulls**t rather than admit to it when the mistake is discovered ! It has to be one of these two: a. You are trying to cover up the fact that you *did not* google b. You are too stupid to use google even Which is it ? Gah !! </rant> (I am sorry, just in a bad mood today ! ...but seriously ...??) cheers, - steve -- random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] New Fedora Mirror Mumbai, INDIA
by ripunjay＠hns.net.in 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Thanks just giving back as much as we can to the community. Yup, just working only, will call u one of these days Sent from my Android ----- Reply message ----- From: "Rajeev R. K." <rajeevrk(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] New Fedora Mirror Mumbai, INDIA To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Ripunjay Bararia <ripunjay(a)hns.net.in>wrote: > Hi All, > We have just launched a new fedora mirror for India, > > http://fedoramirror.hnsdc.com > > Good on you m8... awesome to have a low latency yum repo around without having to rsync the whole shebang :P Rajeev P.S.: How are you doing even.. been ages since we touched base.... > regards > Ripunjay Bararia > Honesty Net Solutions (I) Pvt Ltd > Mumbai, INDIA. > > > > -- > http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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New Fedora Mirror Mumbai, INDIA
by Ripunjay Bararia 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hi All, We have just launched a new fedora mirror for India, http://fedoramirror.hnsdc.com regards Ripunjay Bararia Honesty Net Solutions (I) Pvt Ltd Mumbai, INDIA.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora 12 i386 DVD
by RSCL Mumbai 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

My office is at Mahakali Caves, Andheri E. So *Siji Sunny* is the closest. Closer than going to Andheri station and buying LFY ;-) Siji, What is the convenient time to collect the DVD ? I will burn a copy and return the original to you. Thx Sandeep On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Siji Sunny <sijisunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > Am having fedora 12 DVD which has been distributed by EFY.My office is at > Malad and staying at Andheri East Mahakali Caves.You can reach me on > 9820896398 > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:58 PM, RSCL Mumbai <rscl.mumbai(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Looking for Fedora 12 i386 DVD. >> Anyone in suburbs who can help. >> >> Thx >> Sandeep >> -- >> http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >> > > > > -- > Siji Sunny > >

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Wvdial on Red hat
by suraj nayak 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

hi, I want to install wvdial on Red hat 4. Can anyone tell what other dependencies I need in order to install wvdial?

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Unresolved dependencies
by Ashok Sinha 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

I am using Acer Aspire One and am getting the following error msg in trying to use the software updater when it tries to resolve dependencies. Anyone? Please help Thanks Ashok Sinha Unresolvable requirement kernel >= 2.4 for vpnc Unresolvable requirement libgnome-menu.so.2 for eel2 Unresolvable requirement libgnome-desktop-2.so.2 for gnome-utils Unresolvable requirement redhat-menus >= 1.11 for htmlview Unresolvable requirement kernel >= 2.6.14 for fuse Unresolvable requirement notification-daemon for notify-python Unresolvable requirement libgnome-desktop-2.so.2 for nautilus Unresolvable requirement redhat-menus >= 0.25 for nautilus Unresolvable requirement kde-filesystem for kdelibs Unresolvable requirement redhat-menus for kdelibs Unresolvable requirement desktop-backgrounds-basic >= 2.0-4 for nautilus Unresolvable requirement gnome-desktop >= 2.18.0-2 for eel2 Unresolvable requirement libgnome-desktop-2.so.2 for eel2 Unresolvable requirement gnome-vfs2-smb for nautilus Ashok Sinha

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Ping
by Rony 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

What man! There are no viruses, system is stable, no crashes, GNU/Linux is working fine. No one has any problem. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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