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Redirection Query
by Roshan 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

All, I'm posting a query to the list after quite a long time. I'll ask the question right away: $cat < foo 2>errorfile bash: foo: No such file or directory According to the above command, if foo doesn't exist and I redirect the error stream to a file, it should be stored in the file and not displayed on the terminal. But it still gets displayed! At a point, I thought this is a trick question and thought that possibly, foo exists and its contents are what is shown on the display. (But that isn't really the case) (because the errorfile doesn't get created at all - not in the above one and not according to the answer I've given - i.e. being a trick question). I think, though, there's something that I do not know about the input redirection ( i.e. left chevron '<') and hence I'm not able to answer this query. (because, possibly, the error redirection 2> command is ignored completely / not executed at all). Can anybody point me to a link that explains why this happens in Bash ? (Or perhaps, even in Korn shell?) (or if anybody can put a brief explanation of this?) -- Roshan Baladhanvi

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LPI certification Mumbai
by VGNU Linux 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Hi All, Is there any institute which provides LPI certification in Mumbai ? Regards, VGNU

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Open standards policy in India: A long, but successful journey
by Venkatesh Hariharan 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

This article of mine appeared at http://opensource.com/government/10/11/open-standards-policy-india-long-suc… Venky ===== Open standards policy in India: A long, but successful journey Posted 19 Nov 2010 by Venkatesh Hariharan (Venky) (Red Hat) Last week, India became another major country to join the growing, global open standards movement. After three years of intense debate and discussion, India's Department of IT in India finalized its Policy on Open Standards for e-Governance, joining the ranks of emerging economies like Brazil, South Africa and others. This is a historic moment and India's Department of Information Technology (DIT) deserves congratulations for approving a policy that will ensure the long-term preservation of India's e-government data. A major victory for the Open Source community is that the policy now says, "4.1.2 The Patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard shall be made available on a Royalty-Free basis for the life time of the Standard." This victory is really important to the open source community because open source and open standards have a symbiotic relationship. While open source is the freedom to modify, share and redistribute software source code, open standards refer to the freedom to encode and decode data and network protocols. One freedom without the other is a limited freedom. In the Indian policy, proprietary software vendors wanted to define open standards in such a way that even royalty-based standards would be included. Due to stiff opposition from the free and open source software community, Civil Society Organizations (CSOs), academia and others, this proposal was rolled back. Under the National e-Government Action Plan, the Indian government is spending more than 10 billion dollars on e-governance. Some of the largest greenfield e-governance projects are in India. For example, one project aims to give a unique ID to more than 700 million Indians. Given the scale and scope of e-governance in India, the storage, archival and retrieval of e-governance data is a critical state responsibility. The standards selected by India also have global implications because the sheer volumes of usage in India, could make those standards the most popular standards in the world. It must be remembered that while software changes every few years, the underlying data (birth and death records, census data, tax data etc.) is fairly static and might have to be preserved for centuries. If the government stores its data in a closed format, it could permanently lose access to that data if the owner of that format goes out of business or refuses to provide access to that format. If the government stores its data in proprietary formats that require royalty payments, the negotiation power of the vendor goes up as more and more data is stored in that proprietary format; a situation that no sovereign power should tolerate. The Indian policy also states that a single open standard will be used for e-governance. This clause is also extremely important. For example, if a Central Government Ministry requests a certain set of information from state governments in India, and each state government submits the data in a different format, enormous amounts of time will be wasted in converting the data into a common format. There is also risk that data could be lost in the process of converting data from one format to another. Therefore, the usage of a single, open standard for an application area is the backbone that will unify these applications and enable the sharing of data across different applications. This will drive more efficiency in e-governance enabling policy makers and e-government practitioners to quickly pull together data from different government departments and take more informed decisions. It was a very tough fight and the proprietary vendors used their market clout and strong field presence in their attempts to subvert open standards. For example, in the previous draft policy dated 25/11/2009, the wordings of the key section read, "4.1.2 The essential patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should preferably be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered." Commenting on the final policy, veteran journalist, Glyn Moody said, “As you can see, there is no room for doubt here, no quibbling with 'RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND)' or 'Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND)' as the earlier version suggested: just a clear and simple 'Royalty-Free basis for the life time of the Standard'.” So how did the Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) community succeed against tremendous odds? Some key actions that helped us succeed are: 1. We worked long and hard to educate the public and the media. At first, some journalists shied away from writing on this subject because they found it too arcane and complex. It took over six months of talking to mediapersons before one of the mainstream publications carried an article on open standards. Once that happened, the dam broke and other publications also started to write about this “arcane” subject. 2. The academic community, especially in the prestigious Indian academic institutions, were very supportive of open standards. Many academicians have influential positions on government committees and their support helped. 3. India has a very vibrant set of Civil Society Organizations. The FOSS community worked with leading CSOs like IT For Change, Center for Internet and Society, Knowledge Commons and others that are founded by people who have tremendous experience in working on technology policy issues. A loose-knit coalition was formed under the title of FOSSCOMM and some excellent representations were made to the Indian government. 4. Many sections within government itself were firmly in favor of open standards and the community worked closely with them. 5. The community made common cause with sections of industry that supported open standards. This helped counter the pressure from industry associations that were supporting proprietary standards. It was a long but extremely rewarding issue to be involved in and I am documenting this in the hope that other countries can benefit from the experiences we gained in fighting for open standards in India. Jai Ho! (May you be victorious!) -0-

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Noname.conf talk submissions now open!
by gaurav chaturvedi 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hi! I'm one of the members of the organising team for Noname.conf, which is a 2-day event to be held at Bangalore in mid-December 2010 and will consist of talks, workshops and discussions around all aspects of FOSS technologies. We are now accepting proposals from speakers wishing to talk at the event. Talk submissions can cover any/all aspects of FOSS software/technologies. More details can be found at http://blog.nonameconf.in/talk-submissions-now-open Last date for submissions is November 28th 2010 Looking forward to your active participation in the event. [P.S.:- Please send all your questions to team(a)nonameconf.in or, better yet join the ML and discuss :) http://groups.google.com/group/nonameconf-community ]

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL] Landline phone through PC
by Mitul Limbani 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hello, Sorry for top posting, my phone doesn't allow me to start writing from below. Anyway, I think as you said, its a MoDem and they understand AT command set and send data only when they get connected on the remote end. In your case you need some external application like Asterisk and also external hardware (which is not just a Voice Modem) which can send voice traffic using standard telephone signaling (like Ground Start or Loop Start) Modem's cant do any of the above activity, however I have a device which can take one line input (std telephone line from mtnl) and shows that as telephone FXO line to Asterisk. Please contact me off the list to know the pricing and working of the same, Regards, Mitul Limbani Chief Asterisk Trainer & Founder, Enterux Solutions www.enterux.com +919820332422 "H.S.Rai" <hardeep.rai(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wanted to dial telephone number (not using any Internet, just >telephone network) and if possible attending phone through PC. > > I have "conexant RD02 D400" [having only one port to connect phone >cable, and not second port to connect phone instrument], which is >connected to PC through USB port. I was able to use following command: > > modem-cmd /dev/ttyACM0 ATDP123456 > > which rings bell on dialed number. > > On picking remote phone, I expected that speaker and phone will be >used to communicate, but that did not happened. > > Is it possible to use PC's mic, speaker or head set attached to PC? If >yes, which software or what setting? > >-- > H.S.Rai >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Landline phone through PC
by H.S.Rai 21 Nov '10

21 Nov '10

I wanted to dial telephone number (not using any Internet, just telephone network) and if possible attending phone through PC. I have "conexant RD02 D400" [having only one port to connect phone cable, and not second port to connect phone instrument], which is connected to PC through USB port. I was able to use following command: modem-cmd /dev/ttyACM0 ATDP123456 which rings bell on dialed number. On picking remote phone, I expected that speaker and phone will be used to communicate, but that did not happened. Is it possible to use PC's mic, speaker or head set attached to PC? If yes, which software or what setting? -- H.S.Rai

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Java and all that
by jtd 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

Hi all, http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Apache-Brokeback-JCP-I-Wish-… We always never touched anything (at least since 2001) that was not clearly community driven and with a freesoftware licence. I however now find myself in a rather strange position of having to use JAVA or something similiar for a particular project. The reason is that we require tight state binding on the browser based UI interface. Background: It is an interactive robot with its clone sitting on your desk and a browser interface. The browser is used for interaction. The clone can also be used for interaction - move the leg manually and the remote will move as well as update the params on the screen. I don want to use a custom app for numerous reasons. Any and all recommendations welcome. -- Rgds JTD

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[OT] AMD vs Intel
by Rony Bill 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

Hello, Some time back there was a discussion on which board processor combination would be good for a workstation. My own machine has been down since many days. One day everything was fine with my dual boot Intel 845 GEBV2 system and I decided to install SP3 in my XP just for kicks. It was downloaded properly from the doze update website and after a few minutes, it started restarting my comp. The worst part was that my mobo got damaged and the HDD controller is giving trouble. Live CDs run fine but even clean installation of doze gives blue screen errors and linux gives hard disk read/write errors midway during installation. It is time for me to go for a new board. I would still go with Intel processors and Intel chipset boards (Not Intel Original Boards). AMD may be good technically but their support in India is not so good. Even simple crosschecking of processors or motherboards is difficult as most repairers have Intel based products. In my experience I have observed that higher end AMD products have better quality and life compared to the low end ones. I have had 2 processor failures in limitted quantities of AMD whereas Intel processors have been quite robust. Another thing one should avoid is Asus motherboards with nVidia chipsets. They are not very stable and solid. -- As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones. Regards, Rony.

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Open Standards policy finalized--major victory for the FOSS community
by Venkatesh Hariharan 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India. In the previous draft dated 25/11/2009, our major objection was to section 4.1.2 of the policy which said, "4.1.2 The essential patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should preferably be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered." Our comment on this section reads: The usage of terms like “preferably” in a section titled, “Mandatory Characteristics” weakens the section and could even render it meaningless. Mandatory characteristics should be laid out clearly and unambiguously, The term “essential patent claims,” is meaningless because a standard cannot be implemented partially. Therefore, the ENTIRE standard should be royalty-free and not just the "essential" parts of it. In other words, ALL patent claims necessary to implement the standard should be royalty-free. Also, RF on FRAND/RAND is self-contradictory. If a Standard is Royalty Free (RF) then it cannot be RAND. Therefore, the wording of this section should be changed to "ALL patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered.” As you can see from the extract below, the points mentioned above have been incorporated In the recently finalized policy. This section now reads: 4.1.2 The Patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard shall be made available on a Royalty-Free basis for the life time of the Standard. Overall, I'd say this is a major victory for the Indian FOSS community and more than three years of hard work have paid off. The file can be downloaded from: http://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standthe suggestions mards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/file<http://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standards/egscontent.2010-11-12.912432…> or from: http://egovstandards.gov.in<http://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standards/egscontent.2010-11-12.912432…>(click on the links on the top left hand side). Venky

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Fwd: [pandaboard] OMAP Tutorial Hour - Repeat sessions
by Mehul Ved 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amit Karpe <amitkarpe(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:46 AM Subject: Fwd: [pandaboard] OMAP Tutorial Hour - Repeat sessions To: openarmlab(a)googlegroups.com Dear All, FYI. -- Regards Amit Karpe. http://www.amitkarpe.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Thondar, Geetha <geethat(a)ti.com> Date: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:26 AM Subject: [pandaboard] OMAP Tutorial Hour - Repeat sessions To: "pandaboard(a)googlegroups.com" <pandaboard(a)googlegroups.com>, "omapdiscuss(a)googlegroups.com" <omapdiscuss(a)googlegroups.com>, "omapzoom(a)googlegroups.com" <omapzoom(a)googlegroups.com>, "omapandroid-discussion(a)gforge.ti.com" <omapandroid-discussion(a)gforge.ti.com> Hello All, Please find details on the upcoming “OMAP Tutorial Hour” that will be hosted on Nov 15th, Mon. There will be 2 sessions - 7 am & 1 pm CST (Central Standard Time) (UTC-5). These are Repeat Sessions from Oct to help the new users of the PandaBoard community and to suit the different time zones. http://omappedia.org/wiki/Tutorial_Hour_Topics Topics: · Introducing PandaBoard - Presented by Nipuna Gunasekera / Jayabharath Goluguri · Your guide to OMAPpedia - Presented by Geetha Thondar 7 am session: WebEx URL: https://ti.webex.com/ti/j.php?ED=127004942&UID=0&RT=MiM3 Meeting Number: 757 998 605 Meeting Password: None 1 pm session: WebEx URL: https://ti.webex.com/ti/j.php?ED=127006022&UID=0&RT=MiM3 Meeting Number: 759 506 916 Meeting Password: None Teleconference Participant Code (same for both sessions): 42691576 Teleconference bridge number in USA: 1-877-561-6828 or (972) 995 7777 Teleconference bridge numbers for other countries please visit: http://www.ticonferencing.com/globalaccess/ We invite you to present in a future session – please suggest your topics at: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Tutorial_Hour_Topics Thanks! -- With Regards, Mehul Ved

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