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RE:Let's Call MS's bluff
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, Add your names to the Sue Me First MS list at: http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php?title=SMFM_list_page_11 It is a list already upto page 11 where linuxers put up their names,distro,PC config and purpose of use of Linux and call MS's bluff that Linux contains proprietary(read as MS) code and is emulating development path of Windows......it should actually be the other way round.....;) Regards, Easwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 30 May '07

30 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? Also, didn't you say your concern was Ubuntu's ``lack of respect of freedom/GNU" and not their software quality. If that was true why are you mentioning this point at all? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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[COMMERCIAL] Software Engineer - i18n position in Red Hat (Pune)
by Rahul Bhalerao 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, The job details are as follows: Division: Red Hat Location: Pune, IN Travel Involved: Not Specified Job Type: Full Time Job Level: 2+ years experience Education: Bachelors Degree or Equivalent Skills: Category: Engineering Compensation: Not Specified Position Summary: Designs, modifies, develops, writes and implements software programming applications. Supports and/or installs software applications. Focuses on developing and maintaining applications used in the internationalization and localization of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, specifically for their native Language use. Essential Duties and Responsibilities: * Implement and maintain applications specific to their native language, such as input methods * Perform native language specific quality assurance of Linux Desktops * Participate in weekly team meetings and coordinate activities with dependant teams Requirements To perform this job successfully, an individual must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. * Bachelors Degree majoring in Information Technology or Computer Science or Arts/Languages. * Minimum of two years related experience and/or training; or equivalent combination of education and experience. * Ability to read and interpret English language technical documents. Ability to speak native language and business level English * Computer Skills: Previous experience developing Linux Desktop applications. Understanding and experience with object-oriented design and coding. Experience developing applications for GTK/GNOME and QT/KDE. Knowledge of basic Software Engineering concepts: development models, testing, and documentation. Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document format to smohan(a)redhat.com with "Software Engineer (i18n)" in the subject line.

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Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, I have had a prety bad experience with Mandriva 07.I have lost THREE luser accounts and all my docs,pics and music twice coz the third time today,I used a Knoppix 5.0 live CD.The typical error message is that the $HOME/._dmrc file or something like that is being ignored coz either i either don't own my HOME or it does not exist at all! Another paradox is that when I login to mandriva with root (/root) as my home directory,my /home is empty except for an empty lost+found folder but when I browse to the same location thru the Knoppix live CD,it showed me my stuff though it was inaccessible to me.I 'su'ed to root in Konsole in live CD,chowned the Home folder,umounted the D: partition and mounted it with - w.Though I now have all my stuff safely burned onto a CD,can someone please help me out of this repetitive problem?Also,can someone help with a proper and complete installation of Mandriva on my system(personal presence would be preferred ;-)). Regards, Easwar PS:Sorry for the long mail

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New to mailing list....help required.
by Ahmed Vasgare 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi all, I am new to the mailing list. I will try to keep myself updated through this. Regards & Prosperity. Ahmed Vasgare.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
by Vihan Pandey 29 May '07

29 May '07

> > To paraphrase what GNU has said : We must not judge all of a person by just > > part of what they do. > > I thought he was the founder (and main funder) of Ubuntu and Canonical. He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy and DOES support efforts regarding the same. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki > > Mark Shuttleworth has AFAIK - NEVER done anything to harm/hurt Free > > Software. The only thing one can do is continue requesting Canonical to > > release launchpad as Free Software and if they are not doing it for some > > reason to kindly state that. > > > > I, for one, don't use Ubuntu anymore, don't recommend it any more > until they fix these issues that's your freedom to choose. > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pravs/What_Ubuntu_should_do_to_regain_my_con… here how i reply to that : - It does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux - It does not give importance to Freedom. what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is giving GNU/Linux to the masses and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare them to a M$. - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee that it will remain Free Software After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to include non-free softwares in their distribution. They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, but other than that what other non free software are they packaging into Ubuntu? - They don't believe in Free Software. Free Software is only for software which other people develop (Launchpad is non-free software), we will have a commercial advantage in keeping launchpad proprietary, we might release it if we can't make much money out of it. If you want to contribute to Ubuntu you will have to use a non-free software which stores your data in a proprietary format. Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say this? If yes please do give that link as well. - Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this? > So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) > Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed. > > By the way - has anyone done this so far? > > > > I didn't get it. Did you mean anyone released their distro infrastructure? no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ? > Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed. > "When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license > them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines." > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract agreed and respected. > see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either. > And Ubuntu does not give credit to the GNU project. Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux. > "Calling this variant of the GNU system "Linux" plays into the hands > of people who choose their software based only on technical advantage, > not caring whether it respects their freedom. There are people like > Barr, that want their software "free from ideology" and criticize > anyone that says freedom matters. There are people like Torvalds that > will pressure our community into use of a non-free program, and > challenge anyone who complains to provide a (technically) better > program immediately or shut up. There are people who say that > technical decisions should not be "politicized" by consideration of > their social consequences." > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html agreed. > So for me Ubuntu is down the list of Free Software distributions and I > would support all distributions that gives Freedom more importance > than ease of use/technical merit. i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count. Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-) > You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git. > Again I have no personal hatred against Mark Shuttleworth. i never said so :-) > He has done > a wonderful job in getting GNU/Linux to masses and he is a great > speaker and amazingly good at convincing people. agreed. > But that doesn't mean > I have to agree to everything he does. absolute agreement :-) Regards, - vihan

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[COMMERCIAL] System z Solutions Architect opening at Red Hat
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 29 May '07

29 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A System z Solutions Architect is instrumental in assisting the sales team's selling efforts with specific focus on the IBM System z platform. The SA works closely with the Field Sales Reps to understand and execute sales strategies in the field to both IBM & Red Hat customers. This position requires the ability to interact with both Red Hat & IBM's field sales and technical teams, and with end customers. In this role, the SA must add significant value to the regional sales teams by delivering comprehensive Red Hat value solutions to meet the needs and unique requirements of end customers who are considering or who have invested in the System z platform. Further, the System z SA must be able to provide technical input into the creation of Educational & Training materials, as well as assisting in the development of Marketing material. Key Responsibilities Provides pre-sales technical support activities in the field – RFP responses, end customer calls, etc. Makes presentations, demonstrations, and evaluations, as needed, on all aspects of products as they relate to zSeries. Understands a wide base of hardware platforms and software technologies, but has specific focus on the System z platform. Assists sales teams in assessing potential application of Red Hat's products and partner's products to meet customer needs. Provides follow-up support in disseminating technical information on specific applications to IBM's field technical teams. Key Requirements Comfortable with solution selling process in enterprise software market. Must possess excellent interpersonal and organizational skills. Must have excellent written, oral communication, and be proficient in presentation and client facing skills. Must have the ability to work in the field in remote offices, and be self-managing with excellent time management skills. Must be self-disciplined and have the ability to work independently and as part of a team. Has proficient, well-rounded experience in technical consultative selling up to C level executives. Knowledgeable with open source technologies. 5 + years experience as a Sales Engineer. 5 + years experience with the System z (formerly S/390) platform 3 + years experience in Linux/UNIX system administration/integration/development Interested candidates may send their CVs in Open Document Format to mkamble at redhat dot com with [System z Solutions Architect] in subject line - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW88nXQZpNTcrCzMRAgZZAKCS2w549WNzQpr/y/r7fG49QoJ6twCfciLs E0fYlPijpVtsMIAwzDjmYt4= =toPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hi, I am using Mandriva 07 installed from a LFY DVD.It's the free version. I have not used any other distro as yet coz I am still a newbie. Regards, Easwar

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[OT] Measure of OT
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 29 May '07

29 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has someone on this list calculated how many mails/first-individual-replies to OP it takes for a thread to become either OT or drag in elements of recently concluded threads ? Around a couple of years back on iLUG-Cal the count was that within 5 individual replies the thread takes a turn... :) - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW3kEXQZpNTcrCzMRAuEeAKCo5dmOZ6GJprnaNY2HjVqCrLgifwCeMhi3 66hpQd8/9zDVinR1GjE4VGs= =UDyu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[OT] Oops for my previous mail
by abhishek 28 May '07

28 May '07

Sorry all of the Linuxers for my previous mail. -- With Regards Abhishek Amberkar ---------------------- There is no Operating System but `GNU' and `Linux' is one of its kernels.

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