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Re:[ILUG-BOM]Seek advice to quit Windows
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

Well,this discussion has been useful to me since I am in SEM-II Engg. and they are teaching us C++. >please read Stroustrup after learning a bit. I would like to ask Pradeepto what does he mean by a bit.Exactly how much is a bit? Thanks for the recommendation of books.If the library doesn't have them,as our's usually doesn't,where can we get the books?Are there online subs available?

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Data recovery on a crashed drive with Linux FS
by Dinesh Joshi 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

Hi peeps, My Samsung SP1213C ( 120GB ) SATA disk has crashed. Its making horrible clicking sounds. The disk is not reading much. Though GRUB does come up and the kernel does start booting up but it finally panics after not being able to find initrd ( Yes, I use Fedora Core 2 :P ). I had some important family pictures and stuff in there. I tried booting to Windows and using the EXT2FS reader but its of no use. It cant read anything. It gives a bunch of read errors. I spoke to my vendor and he said that none of the recovery guys he knows can recover a disk with a Linux FS. Also, if I give it to some third party who opens up the drive, my drives warranty will be void. Samsung is of no help. They're pathetic :( I mean they'll just replace the drive. They wont take any responsibility for the data! But I guess thats normal, right? I'm not sure what I should do at this point. Can anybody help out?? Any suggestions??? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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RE:Recommend a linux distro
by C.E. Hariharan 21 Jan '07

21 Jan '07

my hardware: Intel Pentium D 2.80 Ghz(dual core) Intel D101GGC motherboard 80 GB samsung HDD 1.44 MB 3andhalf inch FDD Combo drive(CDRW/DVD-R)(TSSTCorp CDW/DVD SH-M522C) Samsung monitor SyncMaster 594 MG Easy Internet keyboard from logitech logitech scroll mouse(optical mouse) 2 buttons,1 wheel Creative speakers SBS240 D-Link GLB502T router for MTNL broadband

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[Commercial]Hurry up 150 Free Passes Left for LinuxAsia 07
by Niraj Sahay 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

Dear Members of the community, India Habitat Centre (New Delhi) will be the hot spot for every Linux enthusiast from 31st Jan to 2nd Feb. And the reason is - LinuxAsia 2007 - India's premier Linux and open source event. We would like to ensure that the Linux/OSS community is fully engaged with the event. What all is happening at LinuxAsia this year? ********************************************* The main track - 'technology.innovation(a)oss.in', which will go on for 3 days from 31st January till 2nd February 2007 at the India Habitat Centre, New Delhi. The second track - CXOSummit - is a one-day event being held at Hotel Taj Mahal, Man Singh, New Delhi on the 1st of February 2007. Besides that, there will be an IOSN summit, ODF India Chapter summit, technical workshops, sessions by LUGs, and last but not the least, the Expo. What are the entry charges? *************************** FIRST 500 FREE!!! ***Just 150 Free Pass Left*** Ok, this is best news - the first 500 (out of which, only 150 are left now) registrants can get the COMMUNITY PASS, which allows them entry to the 'technology.innovation(a)oss.in' track for FREE (subject to availability of vacant seats in the main hall and on a first-cum-first-served basis)! Though there is an element of organisers' checking your details and approving the serious cases only, but then, if you're serious about attending International-level Linux/OSS events - then REGISTER NOW at http://www.linuxasia.net. "Hurry up Just 150 Passes Left" DELEGATE PASSES FOR SERIOUS PROFESSIONALS For the serious professionals who want 'guaranteed seating' at LinuxAsia 2007, we have the DELEGATE PASS. There is an 'early bird' offer till 25th Jan 07 (subject to availability of seats). Simply opt for 'more info on the Delegate Pass' while registering for LinuxAsia 2007, and our team will get back to you immediately. Plus, there are special discounts on the DELEGATE PASSES for subscribers of EFY Publications, and students! Who all are going to speak at LinuxAsia 2007? ********************************************* Klaus Knopper (Knoppix), Brian Behlendorf (Apache and CollabNet), Dr Negroponte (one-laptop-per-child programme), are some of the international technology Gurus who have confirmed. We expect 3-4 more global luminaries to be there--their confirmation is in progress. Any facilities for out-station delegates? ***************************************** We have tied up with 'hospitality partners' who can assist you in getting best deals for travel and stay. If you need this support, simply select that option while registering. What is LinuxAsia trying to achieve this year? ********************************************** The goals that have been laid down for LinuxAsia 07 are: Goal #1: Promote open source driven innovation so that India can showcase a minimum of 20 globally recognised OSS projects at LinuxAsia 2008. Goal #2: Accelerate the adoption of Linux and open source software by highlighting their advantages, sharing success stories, and discussing strategies on how CXOs can gain advantage from both "open source" and "proprietary" worlds. Goal #3: To provide a platform where other organisations with OSS-related agendas can hold their own sub-events and network with the entire community. So, we request you to register, participate, and let us know how we fared in achieving those goals. Best Wishes! Niraj Sahay Community Manager Team, LinuxAsia 07

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Seek advice to quit Windows
by Debarshi Ray 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

> "Let Us C", nevertheless, a good > book. It is a horrible book. I strongly oppose the idea that one needs to begin with it. Just consider the fact that Yashwant Kanitkar teaches you the difference of: i++ + ++i + i++ and i++ + i++ + i++, which is simply undefined in the C standard and yet Kanitkar stresses on this, instead of telling the reader to avoid writing such code. > Ok. I don't want to shock many people here. And before I say > something, I must say, I did read LUC as my first C book (I think) and > found it good as well. The point is many people who start new with C ( > maybe without any programming exp ) find it easy to start with - > that's the reason its good - other wise its not. I started with Gottfried's book, and when I finally came to Let Us C, I found it sick. > But honestly, one needs to have a copy of K&R if you are into C. Very true. > And if you are doing C++, please read Stroustoup after you Robert Lafore's book is also nice although he does not use GCC in it. Bye, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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Open SUSE 10.2 Disks Required
by Amol Kshirsagar 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

Dear All, Can anyone arrange one set of OpenSUSE 10.2 Distribution CD's? I need it for testing purpose. I am ready to swap the blank cd's and pickup the set from any location within Mumbai/ New Mumbai. I shall be thankful to the person who can help. Thanks, Amol K.

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Huge New Study On Free/Open Software
by Frederick Noronha 20 Jan '07

20 Jan '07

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/01/huge_new_study_.html Wednesday, 17 January 2007 Huge New Study On Free/Open Software Topic: software There's an interesting, albeit rather long, new study available from an international, interdisciplinary team of researchers that documents Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS) and its economic influences on the EU. The full text of the 287 page report, entitled "Economic impact of open source software on innovation and the competitiveness of the Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) sector in the EU," is available online (PDF). The report provides the most thorough and comprehensive look at the contributions of the FLOSS community that I've ever seen. While most of the statics and numbers are geared toward the EU and European nations in general (the lead contractor of the study was UNU-MERIT from the Netherlands), the study nevertheless provides a fascinating look at free software and its impact on the world at large. Particularly stunning is the estimated time to reproduce this software in proprietary format (131,000 person years) and the estimated amount of donated programming effort in monetary terms (800 million Euros per year). Here's some more highlights pulled straight from the text (emphasis mine): * Almost two-thirds of FLOSS software is still written by individuals; firms contribute about 15% and other institutions another 20%. * Europe is the leading region in terms of globally collaborating FLOSS software developers, and leads in terms of global project leaders, followed closely by North America (interestingly, more in the East Coast than the West). Asia and Latin America. * The existing base of quality FLOSS applications with reasonable quality control and distribution would cost firms almost Euro 12 billion to reproduce internally. This code base has been doubling every 18-24 months over the past eight years, and this growth is projected to continue for several more years. * This existing base of FLOSS software represents a lower bound of about 131 000 real person-years of effort that has been devoted exclusively by programmers. As this is mostly by individuals not directly paid for development, it represents a significant gap in national accounts of productivity. Annualised and adjusted for growth this represents at least Euro 800 million in voluntary contribution from programmers alone each year, of which nearly half are based in Europe. * Firms have invested an estimated Euro 1.2 billion in developing FLOSS software that is made freely available. Such firms represent in total at least 565 000 jobs and Euro 263 billion in annual revenue. Contributing firms are from several non-IT (but often ICT intensive) sectors, and tend to have much higher revenues than non-contributing firms. * Defined broadly, FLOSS-related services could reach a 32% share of all IT services by 2010, and the FLOSS-related share of the economy could reach 4% of European GDP by 2010. * Proprietary packaged software firms account for well below 10% of employment of software developers in the U.S., and "IT user" firm -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com

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India moves to launch Creative Commons at Mumbai function in coming week
by Frederick Noronha 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

India moves to launch Creative Commons at Mumbai function in coming week FN Premier technological institute IIT Bombay is to launch the Indian chapter of Creative Commons during its annual Technology Festival of India, shortly. The Creative Commons (CC) is a global non-profit working to expand the range of creative work available for others "legally to build upon and share." It allows people to issue creative works under a license that allows more flexibility than the default "all rights reserved" of copyright law. >From its modest cyberhome at cc-india.org, the Indian branch of the global movement is spreading the ideas that there are options to copyright, when it comes to building creativity and sharing knowledge widely. Creative Commons enables copyright holders to grant some or all of their rights to the public, while retaining others, through a variety of licensing and contract schemes. The intention is to avoid the problems current copyright laws create for the sharing of information. In a world where digital-content rules, sharing of knowledge and creative products has become far easier. Some globally successful volunteer projects -- like the Wikipedia, among the top 20 most visited sites -- have scaled up phenomenally by basing themselves on parallel easier-to-share licenses. Creative Commons-India project lead Shishir K. Jha, assistant professor at the IIT's Shailesh J. Mehta School of Management, said that the project planned to focus on three specific areas in India. These are, centres of higher education like the seven IITs, regional IITs, managements and other institutions. He said: "These are increasingly taking recourse to creating video and web-based courses such as the NPTEL (National Programme for Technology Enhanced Learning) and distance education courses such as C-DEEP (www.cdeep.iitb.ac.in) and eGURU (ekalavya.it.iitb.ac.in/eguruHome.do) (and all would benefit from keeping content sharable)." Creative Commons-India also plans to focus on non-profit and non-governmental organizations and corporates keen on adopting easier-to-share licenses for the dissemination of their documents. Lastly, he said, there are many independent creative artists working with film, documentary, music and text who would like to explore the possibilities of reaching out to a wider audience with the use of creative commons licenses. This festival is being held on January 26-27 and some big names are visiting India for the Creative Commons launch. Creative Commons chairman Joichi Ito and its global coordinator Dr. Catharina Maracke will join in. Two will be held on the topics 'Do We Need Remix?' and 'Sharing Is Creating'. Joichi Ito is a Japanese-born and American-educated businessman who runs the World of Warcraft guild of venture capitalists, and is general manager of international operations for such prominent web-based ventures like Technorati, chairman of Six Apart Japan, and board-member of ICANN Mozilla Foundation, the Open Source Initiative and others. This two-day event will see a mini-panel on "Creative Commons: Is India ready for flexible approach to copyrighting". In particular, this session will look at how Creative Commons can be used to increase knowledge and information sharing among sectors like higher education, telecommunications, music, films and publishing. Creative Commons licenses came after the Open Publication License and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). The GFDL is seen as being responsible for the phenomenal success of the Free Software movement globally, it is also used by non-software projects such as influential, citizen-crafted Wikipedia. -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com

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broadband problems
by Dilip Khanolkar 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

is there any customer of pacenet from goregaon on this list there are heavy problems faced in this area from pacenet for the last 15 days & mr saiyad from pacenet says that 7 days have been credited to every user as compensation while TRAI regulations say that "Faults Pending for > 7 working days and < 15 working days: rebate equivalent to 15 days of minimum monthly charge or equivalent usage allowance" well the customers dont get perfect speeds the network is congested while DNS pings are normally above 130 ms on 64 bytes. I have a 72kbps line the speeds are mostly below 56.2 kbps on an average not more than 64 kbps

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sun Ultra SPARC T1
by Debarshi Ray 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

>> So OpenSolaris is dead and useless. JTD and Vihan do not bother >> proving otherwise, because certain class of people will never >> listen. The Sun UltraSPARC T1 certainly is not. So check out the >> above link. > It was almost dead. But gpl anything and they rise from the ashes. > there are more brains in the rest of the world than in the place u > happen to be. Yes. This is the more important fact, than arguing whether it was dead or alive. > KG is not completely wrong. As I said, this dead or alive discussion is useless. What is important is we get to look at more code, and learn from it. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb

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