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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-l unacy
by Nikhil Kale 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

BTW ... is there anyway i can remove my name from the list i.e. the guys coming for the picnic? i cant make it on 8th. Regards, Nikhil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:59:42 +0530 To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy > One of my collegues, who is not on this list, wants to come along. Is there > any restriction on that ? > > Regards > Saswata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Cc: <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for > more.....linux-lunacy > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 > > "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > > > > > Roll me in! > > [snip] > > > > Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the > > showwho.php. > > > > Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn > > too..:) > > > > Bye for now. > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amol Hatwar > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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Group urges limits on open source
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

The U.S. Defense Department should think twice before embracing open-source software, a trade association is advising. The Initiative for Software Choice, which counts Microsoft, Cisco Systems and Intel among its backers, said in comments filed Tuesday that the department should "avoid crafting needless and potentially detrimental IT policy to promote the use" of open-source software. "Open source" means every software developer can view the source code for software, modify it, and use it for free. The initiative, which launched in May and is chaired by a group called CompTIA, an organization that has close ties to Microsoft, is worried about a recent report that concluded the Defense Department relies on open-source software and recommended its further adoption. Written by defense contractor MITRE, the report said that free and open-source software "plays a more critical role in the (Defense Department) than has been generally recognized" and endorsed it as a viable alternative to proprietary Microsoft products. This week, the Initiative for Software Choice counterattacked, telling the Defense Information Systems Agency that the Pentagon should not "openly promote the use" of open-source software, arguing that proprietary products are not inherently less secure. The group also assailed the General Public License (GPL), which generally permits programmers to incorporate code released under the GPL as long as they make their own source code available. "While the law on this matter remains untested, it makes sense for companies to be highly risk-averse in this area, striking a more defensive posture when confronted with software development that may implicate GPL code or similar coding environments," the initiative said. "Commercial and hybrid software developers generally do not want to risk losing their investment." Proprietary software companies such as Microsoft have labeled open-source software as a serious threat and have begun to oppose its use by governments. At the same time, however, nations such as France and Germany have begun to encourage open-source software to limit their dependence on proprietary vendors and to stimulate local software development. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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your security on the Internet
by kishor bhagwat 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hello folks, chk out this link if you use a Winbox http://drorshalev.brinkster.net/dev/ Those without a winbox shld try this link on their friends' machines! Try some of the stuff under Free Style, it gives a good demo of how unsafe you are in the wild world of the Internet! regds, aaaaarrrgghhh __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Link to the article - http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975638.html?tag=lh Move over, free software. Step aside, today's open-source licenses. Software distributed under an "enhanced source" license released this week will be legally prohibited from censoring or spying on users. Crafted by Hacktivismo, a hacking group organized by the Cult of the Dead Cow, the Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement says that anyone using code released under it must respect privacy, free expression, due process and other human rights. HESSLA comes as concern is growing over governments using technology such as blocking software to restrict what their citizens can do or say online. In September, House Republicans released a report titled "Tear Down This Firewall," and this week, Amnesty International published a report highlighting China's crackdown on Internet use. "The Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement marks the first time technology transfer has been linked to protecting human rights," said Oxblood Ruffin, founder of Hacktivismo. "Our clients and end-users aren't building the firewalls to keep democracy out. They're locked inside trying to break free." In July, Ruffin published a manifesto that referenced the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights and said Internet censorship is "a serious form of organized and systematic violence against citizens, is intended to generate confusion and xenophobia and is a reprehensible violation of trust." Hacktivismo's license says that any government that violates human rights is prohibited from using software released under it. The "enhanced source" license intentionally tracks much of the language of the well-known General Public License and borrows most of the GPL's concepts, such as the one that says anyone incorporating code released under the license in their program must also make the source code of their program available. In fact, Hacktivismo recommends that programmers release their code under both licenses. One problem Hacktivismo might encounter is that the current license is so broad it discourages developers from using it. For instance, it bans governments, individuals and corporations from any "monitoring of individuals," which might apply to popular network monitoring utilities, and bans "filtering" of any expression, which could cover routine utilities such as spam-filtering programs. Another section of the license requires that the creator of any program that uses cryptography for authentication or confidentiality must ensure that the algorithms meet minimum security thresholds. And if any disputes arise involving another nation, the license says, foreign governments relinquish their right of sovereign immunity and agree to be sued in federal court in the United States. The license enables both Hacktivismo and its end-users to go to court if someone tries to use the software in a malicious manner, or to introduce harmful changes into the software. It also contains more robust language than has previously been used to maximize enforcement against governments around the world. The HESSLA explicitly prohibits anybody from introducing "spyware, surveillance technology, or other undesirable code into modified versions of HESSLA-licensed programs." Additionally, the license prohibits any use of the software by any government that has any policy or practice of violating human rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] top posting (was: Redhat 8 CD's)
by Philip S Tellis 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Sameer's signature said: > FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #5 > A: The Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli. > Q: Name two families whose kids won't join the Marines. talk about posting answers before questions!!

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LINK: Wanted contacts in embedded software
by Frederick Noronha 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

A friend from Japan, Sandor Markon <markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp> is a manager of a Japanese manufacturer and is involved with introducing GNU/Linux to the firm. The firm is considering to start outsourcing software projects in India, and is doing an initial survey here. He will be attending LinuxBangalore2002 from Dec 3-5 in Bangalore. "Seeing how active you are on the Indian Linux scene, I wonder if you might want to help me with the initial inquiries, perhaps by introducing me to some people or companies that you know," he writes. If you are working in the field and are interested, please get in touch. He is interested in getting in touch with embedded systems development capacities, software engineering tools, development environment customization etc., "but of course also in more general software capabilities, too". Contact details as below: Sandor Markon FUJITEC Co.Ltd. World HQ, 28-10, Shoh 1-chome, Ibaraki, Osaka, JAPAN Tel: 0726-22-8148 Fax: 0726-22-8274 email: markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila." - Anon.

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PPTP on Linux
by Devendra Parulekar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - A lot of RTFM has already happened, so lemme pre-empt that reply. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. Ernst & Young is neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.

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Mail signatures and Egos :)
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well well...somebody's ego trip just doesnt end. Philip for your sake i'll make sure the signal to noise ratio is in control. And its ok if you don't read the content of my mail its never intended for you.Don't trouble yourself so much over diclaimer's and the like, just let them be. Sorry if any more egos were hurt because of my mails. :) rgds, kiran ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " I'd rather regret things I've done than regret things I never got to do." Leti G. --- Texas This goes for anything in your life. I like to live by this quote. To me, it means that I need to do things I want to do, when I want to do them. I'm not going to get to live my life over again! Sure, sometimes there'll be consequences, but I'd rather say I got to do them. When I grow old and am telling my grand children and great-grand children about my life, I don't want to be wishing I'd done more! ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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plz help me
by vamsi krishna 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hi i am vamsi ,project associate from iiit allahabad,india. i have a Dlink DMI-128ESU ISDN (External) TA, which i want to configure it on linux.can u tell me the way out to do this.i have to enable mlppp and not ppp for which the init string is AT%A2=6 ,i have use this AT command for configuring the modem.please kindly tell me a solution. vamsi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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"Linux 7.1"
by Satya 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I'm a member of another LUG. On the LUG mailing list, someone made the mistake of referring to "Linux 7.1". Here is Eric Ortega's reply: On Nov 28, 2002 at 13:18, Eric Ortega wrote: >You actually, unless you have a time machine, do not have a copy of Linux >7.1. You have a copy of Redhat 7.1, which is a completely different ball >of wax than just the Linux kernel. Note that Debian is around version 2 or >something, Mandrake is at 9 or thereabouts, and the kernel hackers are >banging around on Linux 2.5. > >Confusing the kernel with the rest of the distribution is an easy mistake >to make in the beginning but it's like dragging your fingernails down >a chalkboard to people who know a little bit more. It's in your best >interest to clarify the difference in your own mind if you hope to present >yourself as anything more than a wholly helpless (and therefore not worth >the effort) newbie. Once you square that small thing away will you have >already opened up many more avenues for help. :) He also requests that the last sentence be changed to: Once you square that small thing away you will have already opened up many more avenues for help. :) But I can't do that. :-P -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Cap'n! Cap'n! the UART's will'nae take the speed!

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