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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Organised Q-A session (was: craps not allowed)
by Nikhil Karkera 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- "Harshal Patil" <harshal1234(a)sify.com> wrote: after attaining Stallem's lecture i think there were some people in that hall, who will newer understand the meaning of that "free". nomatter how well you explain them it's all in vien. ----------------- End ---------------------- Firstly, many thanks to everyone involved in organising this rare experience, and doing it well. However, the Question-Answer session produced some unwanted (and embarassing) moments. That is always the case when the lecture is open and the audience not properly aware of the subject and the speaker. What we did in our college during such lectures was to let the audience submit their questions on a piece of paper during the lecture (or after), to the organisers. Then filter out repeats, or unnecessary questions, and have one of the organisers read out the questions at the end. The RMS lecture is over now, but maybe this is what can be done for future such lectures. The Return of RMS perhaps? ;) Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ http://www.monsterindia.com - The Best Jobs. For the Best Minds.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Licence for using Linux
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

noel seq spewed into the ether: >I would like to know what are the licences that i will have to purchase. Can >i install Linux from my chip cd / PCQ cd which i have with me. Will i have >to purchase a cd for my co as well as my sister co. Yes. you can use PCQL, or the chip CD. One CD set will be enough. You don't need to buy additional CDs. >AS of now i am using linux installed from PCQ cd on my terminal and on my >proxy, mail server. > >Also, I need some advice for the programs that i will need to replace my >mail client, browser, etc, how to use foxpro under linux, etc. Mail clients: Kmail, Mutt, Netscape Mail, Mozilla mail, Balsa, Pine, ....... Browsers: Netscape, Konqueror, Lynx, Links, Mozilla, Opera, ........ Dunno about Foxpro, maybe you will have to use DOSemu. Or you could change to a full fledged database like Postgres/MySQL. Devdas Bhagat -- Its impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. >Thanks in advance. > >Noel >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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RE: Re: [ILUG-BOM] (no subject)
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Satya spewed into the ether: <snip> ># echo "Blame Devdas for what happens next"|wall ># shutdown -h now Shutdown does a wall, or equivalent by itself. #shutdown -h now "Blame Satya for using two commands instead of one" Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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RMS Visit.
by dinesh＠indiamail.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi All, There is change of schedule. Lug members will be meeting RMS during Lecture only... Plans for welcomeing him at Airport is still on so those who plan to come to Airport pls come by 1:00am Tuesday (Monday mid-Night) with ur creative play cards... and ofcourse the winner will win the dinner with RMS on 18th. (Dinner is hosted by RH India and its Invitation only Dinner... Pls refer Parag's earlier mail) HTH with regards -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Meeting with RMS
by dinesh＠indiamail.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi Everyone, As per schedule RMS will be arriving on tomorrow morning 1.00 am. To give him a warm welcome we would like people to come to the airport with ingenious and creative play cards. Those who are planning to come please reach the International Airport by 12.30 mid-night today. The person with the most creative slogan will win a lunch with RMS at TIFR on Tuesday. Also all members are welcome to attend the meeting with RMS at TIFR at 12:30 pm on Tuesday. This is specially planned meeting for LUG members to have closer interaction with RMS. Also the public lecture of RMS is at TIFR Auditorium at 5.00 pm as planned and everybody in request to be there in time. HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Pine - II
by Philip S Tellis 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Making effective use of Pine - II ================================= The last time we learnt how to use different mail headers in pine, and I hope you've built up a sizeable address book. Today we'll learn how to use this address book effectively. We'll also learn how to create our own mail headers to maybe be a little naughty. To start with, let's compose a mail to someone in our address book. Enter your address book, and scroll down to the person you want to compose a mail to. If your list is too long, you could always use the Where Is command (W or Ctrl+W) to find it. Press C to compose a mail to this person, and voila, you're in compose mode with the person's email address in the To: field. At this point, it is probably important to understand when one uses Ctrl+access key and when just a plain access key will do. A little thought provides the answer. The only places where Ctrl is required, are where the access key on its own would be valid input. For example, in the mail header, pressing R would just give us the letter R, which is why we needed to use Ctrl+R for the Rich Header. In the main menu, the only keys we press must be access keys, so the Ctrl isn't required. In general, Ctrl will work everywhere, while plain access keys only work where they wouldn't be valid data input. Ctrl+W has some special searches too. If you search for Ctrl+Y, you will end up at the first line of the current section. Similarly, Ctrl+V takes you to the last line. Ctrl+W a second time takes you to the start of the paragraph, while Ctrl+O takes you to the end of the paragraph. Ctrl+T takes you to any line that you specify. We now know one way of composing a mail to a person. What happens if we are already in compose mode, and don't remember the address of the recipient? We could always use his nickname, but what if we don't remember that either? What if we want to send mail to multiple recipients? Well, the only way to figure it out is to actually try it. Get into compose mode, and move to the To: field. Have a look at the menu down below. You'll notice Ctrl+T takes you to the Address Book. This is similar to the attachment case where it took you to the file list. Press Ctrl+T, and you get to the address book where you can select the recipient's address. But we still aren't able to mail multiple recipients. It's too much of a pain to have to type Ctrl+T and scroll through the list for every recipient. There must be an easier way, and in fact, there is. Well, press L in the address book, and voila, checkboxes beside every entry. Use X to select or de-select any entry. When you're done, use S to make the selection, or use E to exit the list without making any selections. A special select all can be done using A. This is a toggle key, so it also undoes what it just did. Keep these commands in mind, because they are the same for all lists, including newsgroups. Now, let's look at creating distribution lists in our address book. Get into your address book, and add a new entry. Enter the nickname, and full name fields. Since we're creating a distribution list, we'll use the convention of appending -list to the nick. We'll make a list of close friends and call it friends-list. In the name field, enter `My Friends'. Now, come down to the Addresses field, and type in the nicknames of all your close friends as you have them in your address book. Save the entry. You might have noticed that the Fcc field showed up here as well. This is where you can specify a default fcc for a specific person or list. All mails sent to this person will be fcc'ed in that folder. If left blank, the default is used. The comment entry is just an internal comment meant for your use. Pine does nothing except store this comment. Now, get back to the compose screen, and enter friends-list in the To: field. Notice what happens when you move to the next field. Delete all the entries in the To: field. To delete a line in pine, use Ctrl+K anywhere. The current line is deleted. Use Ctrl+U to `Uncut' or paste the cut line to the current cursor position. Many versions of pine allow you to cut and uncut multiple consecutive lines simultaneously. Pine does not provide a copy to clipboard function, but a single cut may be uncut multiple times to simulate this. Now, move down to the Lcc: field and type friends-list. See what shows up in the Lcc and To fields. Your To field would have to have been empty first for this to have shown up correctly. Type your mail as you like. To postpone your mail and continue with it later, use Ctrl+O. When you choose compose the next time, you will be prompted to continue your postponed message. Saying no here will not cancel that message. To cancel any message, you must be in compose mode for that message, and type Ctrl+C. Be careful though, because Ctrl+C is right next to Ctrl+X, which is used to send the mail. A careless person could cancel a long mail by accident. Pine always prompts you for confirmation before sending or cancelling a mail, so you have time to check what you are about to do. Finally, let's look at creating our own mail headers. Go to the main screen, and enter set up. We want to set up certain pine configuration features, so select Config from the list. You'll see a lot of configurable options, and you may want to experiment with a few of them. For now though, we want to look for an option called customized-hdrs. Search for this using the search access key. You do remember what that was don't you? Press enter on this option to begin editing it. You can type in your own headers here. Be careful though, because there are many headers that have special meaning to mail servers and clients. We'll use what are known as eXtension headers. They start with an X-, and have no special meaning. Anyone can make up their own and use it anywhere. Type X-Joke: and press enter. You can enter a list of headers using commas to separate them. Now, when you are in compose mode, and you use Ctrl+R, you'll also find X-Joke: showing up there. You can type in the joke for the day and send the mail. Smart recipients will figure out how to read this and commend you on your brilliance (you wish). Wouldn't it be great though, if we could specify the default value of our X-headers? Well, turns out we can. Go back to the customized-hdrs, press enter, and after the X-Joke: enter `X-Men: there's more of them'. Without the quotes of course. Then, this header will go out on all mails you send. Even if you don't use Ctrl+R. That's it for today. Before next time, you should probably read through the help on whatever you can. Experiment with options. Ctrl+G or ? gets you help in most places. Check help on options we've already tried. Next time we'll look at setting configuration options for best performance. -- I filled out an application that said, "In Case Of Emergency Notify". I wrote "Doctor"... What's my mother going to do? -- Stephen Wright Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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simple alternative to rename()
by Shahed Ali 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi, I have a C program which calls rename() However, it tries to rename a file from a filesys on one device to one on another, and this results in errno=18. Is there a func that can do this ? I can of course copy the file and unlink it, but I just wanted to know if there was a utility function in linux to already take care of this. Thanks Shahed.

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(no subject)
by Dinesh Shah 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi, We are planning to post a daily mail summarizing one Linux command, targeted towards an average Linux user. for this we are classifying most Linux commands in three categories. 1. Most used commands (most ppl know about them anyway, e.x. 'ls'). 2. lesser used commands (ppl use them sparingly and many ppl don't know about them e.x. 'wget'). 3. rarely used commands (most ppl even don't know about them e.x. 'wall', 'write'). Pls post ur views with respect to usefulness, relevance and any other suggestions and ideas. Also suggest which category u want the most and and which category the least... HTH with regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Unitek.com dineshs(a)unitek.com AIM ID: ShahSyst Yahoo ID: dinesh1966(a)yahoo.com Mobile : 98213-11906

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CCNA training
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi. Does anyone know of any good training centers for the CCNA certification? Preferably town side. Kunal

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[News] .Net for the Penguin
by Manish Jethani 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Ximian Announces Open Source Initiative to Develop a Linux Platform for .NET http://www.ximian.com/newsitems/mono_announce.php3 Miguel de Icaza, Ximian CTO and president of the GNOME Foundation, ``believes that .NET is going to be the dominant development environment for the next 20 years.'' Manish -- You can't start worrying about what's going to happen. You get spastic enough worrying about what's happening now. -- Lauren Bacall

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