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Survey On LAMP and Linux Communitites
by Sachin 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi there, there is some interesting work going on the LAMP and Linux Communities in India The Comapny name is IDC (india) Limited at Bangalore [http://www.idcindia.com/] The Person called S. Sabyasachi came personally and met me for the information on LAMP and Linux. e.g. *What would be strengh ot linux user *Application *Desktop user etc I think people in india have started takiing the Linux Communitites very seriously now Hope this kinds of reviews and surveys actually have impact on the computer users mind regards sachin -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= We are each entitled to our own opinion, but no one is entitled to his own facts. -- Patrick Moynihan ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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chmod in PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I've been trying to change the opermissions of a particular file using the chmod command in php. Though a ver trivial operation ... it is not working. the command i'm using is: chmod("/var/www/cgi-bin/new.dat", 0777); i'm getting the following error: Warning: chmod failed: Operation not permitted in /var/www/html/new.php on line 2 Both the files viz. new.dat and new.php have the same owner and group. the current permissions for new.dat are -rw-r--r-- and permissions for new.dat are -rwxr-xr-x what could be the issue? Any suggestions will be appreciated :-) Kapil

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student from IISc, needed information on RHCE
by Harikishan V 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi Shankar, I am a student of Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. I would like to know that training centers which are offering course for RHCE situated in Bangalore. Your help will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance regards, Harikishan CEDT,IISc

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chmod in PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I've been trying to change the opermissions of a particular file using the chmod command in php. Though a ver trivial operation ... it is not working. the command i'm using is: chmod("/var/www/cgi-bin/new.dat", 0777); i'm getting the following error: Warning: chmod failed: Operation not permitted in /var/www/html/new.php on line 2 Both the files viz. new.dat and new.php have the same owner and group. the current permissions for new.dat are -rw-r--r-- and permissions for new.php are -rwxr-xr-x what could be the issue? Any suggestions will be appreciated :-) Kapil

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Fwd: fetchmail
by slash_axl_rose 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-574663007-1035353524=:46597" --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: upengan1978(a)yahoo.com via 216.136.130.84; 22 Oct 2002 22:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: <upengan1978(a)yahoo.com> Received: from 203.197.83.190 (EHLO yahoo.co.in) (203.197.83.190) by mta420.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2002 22:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by yahoo.co.in (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g9N5pnV01299 for upengan1978(a)yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:21:49 +0530 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:21:49 +0530 From: upengan1978(a)yahoo.com Content-Length: 1504 i have configured the fetchmail it gives the following error The Fetchmail configuration file # Configuration created Tue Oct 22 20:04:54 2002 by fetchmailconf set postmaster "localhost" set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" poll oe2000.com via 192.168.0.1 user "pmtest1" pass "pmtest1" is tech keep fetchall It Gives me the following error Checking for mail on server(s) with command fetchmail -v -f '/home/tech/.fetchmailrc' oe2000.com .. fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol auto) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol IMAP) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: IMAP< * OK NTMail IMAP4 server v6.00.0014 ready fetchmail: IMAP> A0001 CAPABILITY fetchmail: IMAP< * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 LOGIN-REFERRALS fetchmail: IMAP< A0001 OK CAPABILITY completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0002 LOGIN "*" "pmtest1" fetchmail: IMAP< A0002 OK LOGIN pmtest1 is welcome fetchmail: IMAP> A0003 SELECT "INBOX" fetchmail: IMAP< * 5 EXISTS fetchmail: IMAP< * 0 RECENT fetchmail: IMAP< * OK [UIDVALIDITY 0321341696] UIDs valid fetchmail: IMAP< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft) fetchmail: IMAP< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft)] Limited fetchmail: IMAP< A0003 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed 5 messages (5 seen) for pmtest1 at 192.168.0.1. fetchmail: IMAP> A0004 FETCH 1:5 RFC822.SIZE fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 661) fetchmail: IMAP< * 2 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 948) fetchmail: IMAP< * 3 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 1594) fetchmail: IMAP< * 4 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 776405) fetchmail: IMAP< * 5 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 112100) fetchmail: IMAP< A0004 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0005 FETCH 1 RFC822.HEADER fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (RFC822.HEADER {581} reading message 1 of 5 (581 header octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed fetchmail: can't raise the listener; falling back to $procmail -d %Tsh: -d: command not found # fetchmail: IMAP< ) fetchmail: IMAP< A0005 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0006 FETCH 1 BODY[TEXT] fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (BODY[TEXT] {80} (80 body octets) ** fetchmail: IMAP< ) fetchmail: IMAP< A0006 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error fetchmail: socket error while fetching from oe2000.com fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol POP3) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: POP3< +OK POP3 server ready <14393542900340(a)oe2000.com> fetchmail: POP3> CAPA fetchmail: POP3< -ERR Unknown command fetchmail: Unknown command fetchmail: POP3> USER * fetchmail: POP3< +OK pmtest1 is welcome. fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK mailbox locked fetchmail: POP3> STAT fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 891793 5 messages for pmtest1 at 192.168.0.1 (891793 octets). fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 messages 891793 (octets) fetchmail: POP3< 1 678 fetchmail: POP3< 2 965 fetchmail: POP3< 3 1611 fetchmail: POP3< 4 776422 fetchmail: POP3< 5 112117 fetchmail: POP3< . fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 678 octets. reading message 1 of 5 (678 octets) sh: -d: command not found #**fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 965 octets. reading message 2 of 5 (965 octets) #******sh: -d: command not found fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 3 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1611 octets. reading message 3 of 5 (1611 octets) #**********************************************sh: -d: command not found fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 4 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 776422 octets. reading message 4 of 5 (776422 octets) sh: -d: command not found #**********************************.*********************************.*************.*fetchmail: SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error fetchmail: socket error while delivering to SMTP host oe2000.com fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 fetchmail: terminated with signal 13 . checking complete. --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597--

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fetchmail
by slash_axl_rose 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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letter to get a email id
by jyoti acharekar 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

i am working at thana college in mumbai. please tell me what is my email id & also the password to get access to ilug-bom.org.in or how to sign in. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Can you trust your computer?
by Tahir Hashmi 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi all! Richard Stallman has an article up on NewsForge where he discusses how the Microsoft Palladium and it's notion of "Trusted computing" in conjunction with American legislatures like DMCA, CBDTPA and TCPA can actually act as means of restraining people's freedom to compute. Given the strong inluence that America can exert over Indian technology legislation, IMO we should take this issue quite seriously. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/10/21/1449250&tid=19 I am not sure if we have people on this list who are capable of influencing the lawmaking process but I feel that the some people from the LUGs etc. should atleast have an informal group that comprises people who can exert influence over the government. If you look at the way the laws for cellular and wireless communication have been framed,you might get an idea of what could hold for the future of Indian computing, especially when people like Vijay Mukhi and Flynn Remedios have so much say. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Linux related books
by Philip S Tellis 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Can someone answer this person's query. Reply directly to the sender, not on the list. Philip ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: jyoti acharekar <acharekar_jyoti(a)yahoo.com> Subject: linux group Respected sir, I am Jyoti working at "Thana College". Our college has launched a Linux 7.2. I would like to make the collection of books avaliable on this topics and also I want a people name(email) list who is voluntariely give a lectures. If you are having any information kindly help me out

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linux user group[
by jyoti acharekar 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

regerding linux workshop please give a deatil information __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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RedHat 8 - Switching back to Sawfish
by Green, Shaun 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Does anyone know how to switch off this terrible bluecurve crap and get back to Sawfish?? I want to use my GTK themes; like BlueHeart. Thanks, Shaun linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in (Tahir Hashmi) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:52:43 2002 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable Message-ID: <20021009113608.3443df87.code_martial(a)softhome.net> Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA

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any tools on deb to help organise runlevels?
by Animesh N. Nerurkar 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

hi, is there any tool on debian that helps edit/organise runlevels? sure this can be done manually. but it would indeed be nice to have something on the lines of ntsysv to handle all that. reason for this: runlevel editing is not child's play. not many newbies who can handle this comfortably. selecting a number for the symlinks to be put into the various rcX.d directories is the timeconsuming part that needs too much R&D for newbies. this is very likely to turn people off when they compare things with MDK for example where there are multiple interfaces for handling runlevels, for starting and stopping services and finding out which service is running, stopped, what that service does (brief intro), etc. editing runlevels was fun for a while, till i caught myself spending too much time on this and stopped as that same time was required for regular studies more than for customising the runlevels. any new technology / feature consumes 90% time for learning and 10% or less for getting the job done ...this was roughly what happened when we built the schools CD for the GSCP proj ...and the same thing is recurring with the runlevel editing, getting my audio CD to play (still haven't managed this), etc. warm regards banduji peace -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : No password login as user (#2) LOST #205 Fed up of typing password for every login as an user on stand alone boxes ? Use chpasswd ... As root type in: #echo 'username:' | chpasswd [Note the colon : after the user name]. From the next login onwards with that username, [Enter] needs to be pressed on the password prompt ... ####<kumarayil(a)eth.net>####################################### :

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] any tools on deb to help organise runlevels?
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

On Monday 21 October 2002 17:52, Animesh N. Nerurkar wrote: > hi, > > is there any tool on debian that helps edit/organise runlevels? ksysv

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congratz dinesh on the splendid workshop @ SPCOE
by Trevor Warren 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hello Luggers, I take this oppurtunity to congratulate Dinesh on the efforts and responsibility taken up on setting up/Co-ordinating and conducting the workshop at Sardar Patel College Of Engineering. Infact While going home on saturday dinesh had an accident......and inspite of being in pain, he made sure he was there for the 2nd day and see the workshop through. This according to me is display of COMMITMENT and RESPONSIBILITY that we and I would like to see FORTHCOMING from other on the LUG. Bye for now and have a nice day. Trevor ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] ISDN TA Configuration on Linux
by dinesh singh 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

hi anil, thanx for the feedback . would be very very .. greatful if you could send me brief instructions as to how to go about doing it on redhat 7.2 thanx a ton, regards, Dinesh Singh Hindustan Petroleum Corp. Ltd. On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Anil Mare wrote : >AFAIK there is no need to configure the modem. I have used Zyxel >for >lot of my clients. > >Anil > >--- Ashok Iyer <ashok_linux(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I guess good old wvdial should do for you. > > > > -- > > Ashok > > > > > hi, > > > > > > i am having trouble configuring an ISDN TA (Zyxel > > > -omni.net) on > > > RedHat 7.2. i tried adding an ISDN Device from the > > > redhat network > > > configuration but ZyXEL does not show up in the list > > > of devices > > > there.Is there any way of doing it manually. > > > i would be extremely greatful to anyone who could > > > help me out with > > > this. > > > > > > regards, > > > Dinesh Singh > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Give your Company an email address like > > > ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro > > > today! > > > Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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required help
by muhammad nasir 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

I happened to come across your name while searching for a possible remedy to the problem I encountered during my solaris installation. Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF please give me a solution of problem i will be thankful to u r nice cooperation __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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help:freebsd
by aikala manoj pakkala 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

hi Shishir, i am manoj here from mangalore. can you help me get a copy of freebsd 4.5 or 4.4. i would be very much obliged if you can help me. thanking you manoj pakkala from mangalore ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Regarding running GNOME or KDE without giving shell access to users
by K.Vasudeva 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Dear all, Is it possible to run GNOME or KDE for users without giving any shell access.I want to give access to users only Netscape or Mozilla and want remove all other facilities (Editors etc).This we want to impliment in our Library. Thanks in advance -- K.Vasudeva National Centre For Biological Sciences Tata Institute of Fundamental Research UAS_GKVK Campus Bellary Road Bangalore - 560 065 Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 Fax : 080-3636662 Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in vasu_k(a)vsnl.net

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(no subject)
by Yusuf Dalal 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hi ppl, I am from Saboo Siddik College of Engineering. We wud like organize a workhop in r coll on Linux and its uses. Cud an of u'll help us in organizing it??? Yusuf Dalal (Student of M H Saboo Siddik College Of Engineering) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

CO(tm) 4.2 File: mail.txt philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in wrote Which I also do not agree with. {snip} but then philip, what wud be the best thing to do in a situation where the root password is shared between a team of administrators. The objective of my suggestion was to implement detective controls for the root account. Is there any other way to do this? Sure the best thing is not to share the root password, but i have seen a number of places where root passwords are shared so that if one administrator is not able to come in or is not reachable, another authorised person is available to manage the servers. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

sankha(a)atc.tcs.co.in wrote >Dear Sankha Subhra Som But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, [snip] i wud have deleted all entries from /etc/securetty. that wud mean that root wud not be able to log in from any terminal. Assuming that i dont run services that allow root to login remotely, one can use the root account only via the su command. i originally thought that this was what the statement meant. "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? [snip] Well...i cant think of what this may mean. guess philip was right, the statements seem to be wrong. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

sankha(a)atc.tcs.co.in wrote >Dear Sankha Subhra Som But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, [snip] i wud have deleted all entries from /etc/securetty. that wud mean that root wud not be able to log in from any terminal. Assuming that i dont run services that allow root to login remotely, one can use the root account only via the su command. i originally thought that this was what the statement meant. "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? [snip] Well...i cant think of what this may mean. guess philip was right, the statements seem to be wrong. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

>Dear Sankha Subhra Som >Since in practical situations, the root password is often shared between 2 >or more administrators. Hence to enforce control, root is restricted from >logging in directly to the machine completely. But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, but how do you enforce it so that only logins thru su are permitted) And does the statement "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** I never resist temptation, because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me.

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a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

>A *really* secure machine will have a root password that doesn't work Can neone explain the meaning of this to me? Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** I never resist temptation, because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me.

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ISDN TA Configuration on Linux
by dinesh singh 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

hi, i am having trouble configuring an ISDN TA (Zyxel -omni.net) on RedHat 7.2. i tried adding an ISDN Device from the redhat network configuration but ZyXEL does not show up in the list of devices there.Is there any way of doing it manually. i would be extremely greatful to anyone who could help me out with this. regards, Dinesh Singh __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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Why bash invokes child to execute script.
by Nikhil Karkera 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

$ps bash ps If I rum a simple shell script, the bash above, doesn't execute it. It invokes another bash process only for the execution of this script. Why? Regards, Nikhil.

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Linux Cluster
by Charudatt Mulye 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need for lex and yacc for Mandrake 9.0
by Vinayak Hegde 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi nikhil, Flex and bison have superseded lex and yacc respectively. As flex and bison are compatible with the syntax of lex and yacc, any program written for lex or yacc will run in flex and bison. I did write a small compiler/translator in flex and bison and did not encounter any major differences. So unless you are working on a really big project i don't believe Flex/Bison will make any difference as compared to lex and yacc. --> Vinayak Hegde On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:01:47 +0530 "Nikhil D. Kikkeri" wrote: > i use Mandrake 9.0. however for some reason this distro does not provide > with lex, yacc, flex and bison. > > i downloaded flex and bison but it would be better if i get lex and > yacc as Linux Rulez __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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qmail help needed
by Ashok Iyer 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi, I am using qmail as the MTA that serves 200 users. On an average 1500 mails and sent and 1500 received everyday on a 64K leased line. However there is a problem here. Due to insufficient and sometimes intermittent bandwidth, the qmail queue increases a lot especially if a certain mail is huge in size. Due to this, qmail defers delivery of local mails. All qmail processes seem to go to sleep. Though qmail accepts SMTP and POP connections during this time, it fails to deliver mails destined for the local domain. This results in the foll. message when I run 'qmailctl queue' : Messages in queue : 100 Messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 134 After some time interval of 15 mins or so, suddenly all qmail process awake and the mail delivery begins. I have no problem with delay in outgoing mails but I do not want local mails to be deferred. This is extremely irritating to the users. Can someone tell me the reason for this and the solution? Has someone faced this problem before? -- Ashok __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Report on Workshop at Fr. CRCE
by Philip S Tellis 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I am posting the report on the Workshop held at Fr. CRCE Bandra on the 12th and 13th of October, 2002. The report was written by Harsh Busa. The same will be put up on the db.ilug-bom.org.in website. Philip 2 Days @ Fr CRCE: Linux Workshop Report on Linux Workshop conducted at Fr. Conceciao Rodrigues College of Engineering, Bandra. Speakers: (all from Ilug-bom) Dr. G. Nagarjuna Mr. Dinesh Shah Mr. Philip S Tellis Mr. Harsh Busa Introduction: In late September, Philip was approached by Professor Shubhangi Deshmukh, of Fr. CRCE, Bandra, to organise a workshop on linux for the students of their college. Further coordination was with Mr. Aliasgar Dahodwala, a final year BE student. After a few discussions with Lug members, four persons volunteered to speak at the workshop. The workshop was to be held across two days, the 12th and 13th of October, 2002. The following schedule was drawn up with reference to topics suggested by the students, speaker expertise, and convenience of the speakers. Day 1, Morning Session: - Basic linux terminal commands - Harsh Busa - Loadable modules in the linux kernel - Philip - C Programming using Autotools - Philip - Short intro to perl - if time - Philip Day 1, Afternoon session: - Kernel compilation - Dinesh - Description of the /proc file system - Philip - Shell programming - Harsh If time permits, add vi and emacs here. Day 2, Morning Session: - Distinction between *nix and non-unix - Nagarjun - Linux File Structure - Nagarjuna or Harsh - File manipulation in Linux - Harsh Afternoon Session: - apache and samba configuration - Dinesh or Nagarjuna - configuring modem/sound/graphics/etc. - Dinesh or Nagarjuna Day 1: The first day started of nearly an hour late as the venue had to be shifted at the last moment from the Seminar Hall to a Classroom. In our opinion, this may have been a blessing as the classroom was smaller, and our voices could reach everyone without much straining. The topics gave speakers a general impression that the participants had some kind of familiarity with linux. We were also informed that the college had recently conducted a linux worshop before it and use it regularly for lab purpose. The opening poll suggested the otherwise. Except for a few final year and third year participants most were new to the concept of linux. This called for a prompt shift in focus, from Advanced Topics down to Creating Literacy and Awareness Harsh started out the first session, trying to touch upon basic filesystem stucture and commands. The session lasted around 90 minutes. Philip took over towards the end, introducing regular expressions using grep. [ed's note: my last regex lecture was 3 hours, this one was 30 minutes. I think they learnt much more this time.] It was decided at this point to postpone, or maybe even omit the concept of modular kernels. After the lunch break the session Shell Scripting was pushed up as it turned out that Philip's presentation on autotools was missing (specifically, the web directory in which the presentation was kept did not have read permissions). Harsh took up basic bash programming covering variables, expressions, conditions and loop structures. This was followed by a few simple examples suggested by members of the audience. Following this Philip took up the topic of AutoTools for writing C programs. We thought that it would be interesting to many, but without the slides, and with few people having been through the configure, make, make install process, it was too abstract for most. Some found it interesting but many seemed to be getting bored. It was already about 4 in the evening so it was time to wind up theory and let people try out some stuff for themselves. The exercise had 4 shell scripts: - Prime Numbers - Calculator - cp/mv/rm with more options / Interactive - Word Filter using grep. The day was dispersed without Dinesh getting to speak about Kernel Compilation and Philip unable to cover /proc, Loadable Kernel modules and Perl. Day 2: The second day started of on a rather positive note it was only 15mins off the schedule. The session was already reorganised by Dr. Nagarjuna looking at the previous day's experince. More time was given to speaking about Why Linux, its roots, the philosophy behind the free software foundation and what distinguishes POSIX ish OS from other OSes. This took around 90-100 mins and then before turning to the lab Dr. Nagarjuna gave a short preamble to EMACS which he then covered more extensively in the labs. It was decided to cut out the File Manipulation topic since people were already using VI and it would leave little time for other topics. Following the post lunch session Dinesh ran through the need for a customised kernel and then spoke about various aspects of selecting components for a custom kernel, various ways of compiling the kernel on shell and X both. Following this Dr. Nagarjuna demonstrated a Debian installation and explained various aspects of its several steps including adding modules to the system with apt-get and then towards the end samba and apache configuration. The speakers took some questions while the installion was going on. By the end of everything people too tired even to ask questions and simply wanted to rush home. Schedule: Finally, the schedule of what actually happened. Day 1, Morning Session: - Linux File Structure - Harsh - Basic linux terminal commands - Harsh Busa - grep - Philip Day 1, Afternoon session: - Shell programming - Harsh - C Programming using Autotools - Philip - Lab Day 2, Morning Session: - Distinction between *nix and non-unix - Nagarjun - Philosphy of Opensource and Free S/W - Nagarjun Afternoon Session: - Kernel compilation - Dinesh - Installing a typical Debian System - Nagarjun - apache and samba configuration - Dinesh or Nagarjuna Endnote: The organisers and the staff, everyone was very hospitable and lunch also quite nice. Though the sessions were interesting but quite randomly laid down topics and the vast spectrum of audience made it very difficult to satisfy everyone. It would have been better if the topics were selected keeping the audience and time in mind. The sessions were too short to do complete justice to the topic yet too long for the audiance to digest everything. It would be better if students internally cover some initial awareness sessions themselves and then have special topics arranged on weekends with a very definite topic in mind. Going by public demand often leads no one anywhere. If so many topics need to be covered well, then they should be spread over several days. or else simply have a separate beginner's workshop and then an advanced system admin or programming.

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Redhat Linux 8.0 and problems therein
by Dr. Atul Garg 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hello. At the outset I would like to tell you that I am a novice in Linux and don't know much. I have always treated Linux as an experimental OS to fool around with, because it is not very user friendly and the main problem of MS software is that they are very expensive. But here in Bombay, India that problem gets solved due to blatant software piracy which helps users like me use the amazingly high priced software at down to earth prices. Anyway before I started fooling around with Redhat Linux 8.0, I had no idea what "making" meant and how it had to be done. I am not a programmer!!. I installed Redhat Linux 8.0 from the CDs and it got stuck at the installation screen itself. I have the following hardware :- Compaq Presario 7000A4 PIII 933 MHz 256 MB RAM Riva TNT II with 32 MB RAM Hda with 30 GB Win2k ntfs Hdb with 10 GB > Hdb1 Linux main > hdb5 Linux swap > hdb6 msdos USB keyboard Compaq internet keyboard PS/2 mouse and some Firewire hardware for Digital camera (I think). DVD drive and internal modem (Conexant HCF) The Installation failed to get my USB keyboard and it kept waiting for an input. No failsafe mechanisms !! Luckily I had an old simple keyboard which came in handy, and helped us install the damn software. Then after booting it again I realised it recognised my USB keyboard down to the vendor etc but could not use it for some stupid reason.It gave the following error about a zillion times during kernel startup >> usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Also it recognised my modem but again could not find it by software detect from pppd. So I went about searching the net high and low to get a solution, but to no avail. Thanks to Mr.Michael Fischer ,Professor of Computer Science @Yale who had a similar problem with his HP USB keyboard and as per his suggestion, I got the new kernel source for 2.4.19 (bloody 30MB download over a dialup) and then also the patch file to 2.4.20-pre10. It worked!!! << I had to learn how to patch the kernel source, and also how to make the damn kernel itself. Painful experience I must say..>> To the new kernel, I added NTFS support. (Redhat has something against NTFS support, it doesn't compile it into the kernel by default). And reduced the size by removing unnecessary hardware support from 1.1 MB to 780 KB. WoW !! I worked out a way in which USB keyboard was used in HID Boot Protocol method. Simply edit your /etc/modules.conf to read alias usb-controller usbkbd ........instead of alias usb-controller usb-uhci. This loaded the usbkbd.o file (u have to "make" it through the .config file inside the kernel making factory by activating CONFIG_USB_KBD=m). It worked perfectly and doesn't give any more errors regarding timeouts.. I then went on to download the hcfpcimodem-0.98mbsibeta02090200-1.i386.rpm binary RPM for my Conexant HCF internal modem from mbsi.com. Thanks Mark Boucher for the great software !! After installation it asks you to run a script called hcfpciconfig which not only configures your modem but also figures out if you are using a kernel which it will have to compile a modem driver for !! Great.. And it did just that for my kernel 2.4.20-pre10custom version. And automatically configured it too.. So now I have the keyboard, NTFS support and modem working perfectly. Long way for Redhat to go before they can compare to the likes of Apple and Microsoft. I wonder why anybody would even remotely think of comparing Linux at this stage to MS products or even MacOS?? I'd say it would take another 5-7 years before they can catch up to what other OSes are today. Thanks everybody for all the amazing help provided online today and in the past which helps novices like me to get our systems working.. thanks a lot.. Hope this file will get other people like me out of their misery. Bye. Dr. Atul Garg. atulrg <at> rediffmail.com PS:- More about making a kernel. You need to have the kernel source installed. It goes to the folder /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 etc. If you want to patch >> download patch and extract it to /usr/src folder. Use patch -p0 < patch file name. Then use the graphical utility "make xconfig" is the command, or simply go to control center > system tools > kernel config. Alter the source path to whatever your version of kernel is. If you want to use the old .config file for safety sake, pull it out of the default kernel source (e.g.: Redhat 8.0 CD has kernel 2.4.18-14. /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-14/.config is the file) or you may find it at /boot/config-2.4.18-14. Always save the original file to some safe place because you always tend to "make" mistakes(pun intended here). Alter the file, for your system and add whatever you want, delete hardware support etc. Now use the following commands to MAKE the kernel in the directory /usr/src/linux-urversion:- make symlinks dep >> computes dependencies. make clean >> Housekeeping operation make bzImage >> makes the kernel make modules >> Module factory at work make modules_install >> relocating modules to work perfectly make install >> relocating your kernel files to work.. PLEASE READ THE REDHAT LINUX DOCUMENTATION THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE INSTALLATION CDs BEFORE YOU DO ALL THIS. File to read file:///mnt/cdrom/RH-DOCS/rhl-cg-en-8.0/s1-custom-kernel.html or so. Search engine keywords :- REDHAT LINUX 8.0, Psyche 8.0, kernel 2.4.18-14, 2.4.19, patching kernel source, making a kernel, keyboard USB, Compaq internet keyboard, usbkbd.o, HID Boot protocol, Conexant HCF and HSF internal modems.

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RE: sm56 on red hat ....
by Nauzad 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

SM56 is a Winmodem and cannot be detected by Linux. To use it you have to install a file (given in PCQuest July 2001 CD). I followed the steps given in the magazine and will run through them quickly. insert the second CD and go to /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS do # rpm -Uvh sm56-85.1-10.i386.rpm then # sm56setup 852 to check if everything is up and running load the driver. # modprobe sm56 # dmesg your modem will be installed in /dev/modem which points to /mnt/sm56 Configure your internet connection using Kppp etc. and start surfing :) If you need more help goto http://linmodems.org or write to SM56LinuxSupport(a)motorola.com -----Original Message----- From: kedar sapre [mailto:kedarsapre@vsnl.net] I am trying it to configure for my RH 7.2 box , but it damn not working .... If u were really able to connect to internet with SM56 on RH 7.2 , please let me know , how did you manage to configure ?

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[ILUG-BOM][OT] CD Writer
by Abhijeet More 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi, I am about to get a Cd Writer. I would like to have opinions from people on the list about the best option for me. I would most likely go for an internal IDE device ... with a budget of about Rs. 4500/- And of course it has to work with Linux ... which I believe should not be an issue anymore. Thanks Abhijeet More PS: A few days ago I had read a post from an alter ego on the list ... I believe it was Abhijeet Mhatre ... Are you still around??

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Thanks !
by Lorenzo 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi Rupesh.. I only want to say you thanks.. :) I try for such a long time to resolv some problem with my new adsl connection but linux red hat don't give the right routing... and finally I found your post: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020729/005635.htm l and it resolv all my problem ! :) Xelon.It is now on my own web-server... sorry for the bad english but I'm an italian boy.. Tnx Again ! Lorenzo.

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need for lex and yacc for Mandrake 9.0
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

hello, i use Mandrake 9.0. however for some reason this distro does not provide with lex, yacc, flex and bison. i downloaded flex and bison but it would be better if i get lex and yacc as well. can any one tell me where i can download lex and yacc? regards -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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smtp service for home
by quasar＠vsnl.net 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I have got cable internet which wipes out the use of the VSNL smtp services. I have the windows and the Linux client (thanks Mitul for the link). I need to have SMTP services both on windows(brother needs it) & on Linux(I use it). I have exim installed on Linux and have to configure it. Is there any smtp server available for windows? Also can anyone point out any particular documents relating to home smtp service configuration? thanks.

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books for sale/
by akshaysalkar 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re route
by slash_axl_rose 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all my last message to route was replied by somebody tellin me that ipv6 doesn't realy help in reducing routing table entries...Well then my question is what does Aggreagate Global unicast address having TLA (top level aggregator )field and heirarchical structure useful for??? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3
by Hrushikesh Tilak 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

Run linuxconf>control>Mount/Unmount filesystems>Control Configured local drives. Hrushikesh Tilak. >From: Nauzad Tantra <nauzad(a)vsnl.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3 >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:58:02 +0530 > >Hi, >I'm a newbie and have just installed Redhat Linux 7.3. I have been unable >to configure the following: > >I can mount the Dos partitions using the mount command. However, I am >unable to mount them at startup by configuring /etc/fstab since I dont know >the entries to be entered in the last 3 columns. eg: noauto,defaults, 0 0 >etc. How do I configure the file. > >I have a Motorola SM 56 Winmodem. The modem drivers that I have (supplied >by PCQuest) used to work on ver7.2 but do not seem to be working here. >Where can I get the drivers from. (If someone has the drivers, be kind and >email them to me please). > >I need to print on a printer connected to a WinNT machine. Will I need to >run Samba on the Linux machine or on the NT machine. Where do I get samba >for WinNT. (Samba does start but does not load the GUI interface on the >Linux machine. How do I get that to work.) > >How do I browse my network if the other machines on the network are all >windows machines. I wish to use and share files and services on other >machines. > >Thats a lot of questions. >Hope i get as many answers. > >Thanks a lot, >Nauzad > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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cyberoam linux client
by quasar＠vsnl.net 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

where can I find the [latest] cyberoam client for Linux. I have finally got cable internet. quasi

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I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3
by Nauzad Tantra 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

Hi, I'm a newbie and have just installed Redhat Linux 7.3. I have been unable to configure the following: I can mount the Dos partitions using the mount command. However, I am unable to mount them at startup by configuring /etc/fstab since I dont know the entries to be entered in the last 3 columns. eg: noauto,defaults, 0 0 etc. How do I configure the file. I have a Motorola SM 56 Winmodem. The modem drivers that I have (supplied by PCQuest) used to work on ver7.2 but do not seem to be working here. Where can I get the drivers from. (If someone has the drivers, be kind and email them to me please). I need to print on a printer connected to a WinNT machine. Will I need to run Samba on the Linux machine or on the NT machine. Where do I get samba for WinNT. (Samba does start but does not load the GUI interface on the Linux machine. How do I get that to work.) How do I browse my network if the other machines on the network are all windows machines. I wish to use and share files and services on other machines. Thats a lot of questions. Hope i get as many answers. Thanks a lot, Nauzad

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route
by slash_axl_rose 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all may i know how todays isp's take care on everincreasing routing table entries?? (other than cidr,ipv6,don't route:)) bye thnx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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PVM setting up probs
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

hi luggerz is their a soul up there who has been working with PVM and can help us with some stuff. we r trying to get PVM up in our labs but are facing probs configuring it plz help Gurpreet & krunal

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[Announce] libyahoo2 ver 0.6.1
by Philip S Tellis 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

libyahoo2 is a C library implementation of the yahoo messenger protocol. You can use it to write your own Yahoo messenger client. Version 0.6.1 has just been released. It contains a fix for the segfault on certain notification packets. Other fixes that just happened to be ready in time for this release: - conference add invite fixes - identity support for conferences NOTE: along with identity support, the conference API has changed. There is an additional parameter that specifies the identity to use. This may be NULL to use the default. See the README and header files for more details. Philip -- November, n.: The eleventh twelfth of a weariness. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

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Re: Workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct)
by Dinesh Shah 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

Hi LUGers, The organizers of the workshop are kind enough to open the workshop to all. Here is the invitation. Please contact Bala / Vinit directly on their mail address for registration and further details. --------- Dear IEEE members, The IEEE-SPCE student council is organising a workshop on Linux which will be conducted by the GNU/Linux Users Group,Mumbai.The workshop will be held on 19th & 20th of October and will cover the Basics & Advanced Concepts of Linux.All members interested are invited to attend the same. A nominal registration fee would be charged for the workshop,which would be Rs.10 for IEEE members Rs.25 for non-IEEE members. For registration & further details contact: Balasubramanian V (Sabarish Viswanathan <sabarish_v(a)yahoo.co.in>) - TE Electrical Vinit Mahadevan ( vinitmahadevan(a)yahoo.co) ) -TE Electrical -Balasubramanian V.

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Talk at IIT on IndLinux/Computing for the masses
by Frederick Noronha 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

------------------ Speaker: Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan, Media Lab Asia. Date: 18th October, Friday Venue: KReSIT, Room No.301 , IIT Bombay. Time: 3.30 PM Title: Ind Linux/Computing for the masses Abstract ====== For digital technology to reach the masses, the technology has to speak the common man/woman's language. Sadly, most software, operating systems and applications sold in India are in English. To break this logjam and the market, Indlinux.org is localizing Linux in Indian languages and plans to distribute it free of cost across India. A localized version of Linux in Hindi is in an advanced state of development and will be demonstrated during this talk. The talk with be in two parts; the first part consisting of an overview by Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan and Prakash Advani, co-founders of the project. This will be followed by a demonstration of the software and a brief overview of what localisation involves by G Karunakar, which will cover: o Internationalization & Localisation basics. o The POSIX o GNU Gettext model o The toolkit approaches o How it all fits in. o What we are doing o Fonts development o Input methods o Translations o Current areas of work o Areas you can contribute/do o QT / KDE o Mozilla o OpenOffice Conclusion Q & A For more information about IndLinux, see www.indlinux.org -----------------------

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Hi Problem in Fetchmail
by funky 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

hi If ur password starts with a number fetchmail gives a error. > Can you please explain me the meaning of the error which i am getting while starting fetchmail > e.g fetchmail -v -v -f /etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc > > fetchmail:/etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc:11:parse error at passwd __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Hi Sachin, On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Sachin wrote: > hi dinesh , > i really appricated ur work for co-ordination for this even > thanx for including me as speacker. Thanks for the kind words... I should thank you for coming forward as a speaker. > you have given me 2 schdules for the topic on PHP , Tcl/tk. > on 19 it ok with only php > but on 20 th it is If you can not make it on 19th let me know. I will make necessary changes in the schedule. But if you can come on both days, we will organize the things more dynamically. > i know little of Apache and Mysql > and nothing of Tomcat and Zope and PostgresSQL > > I am going to speak accrding to the following topics and will cut short them > accroding to the TIME LIMIT > > PHP [10 -15 minutes] > ==== > 1. What is PHP? (introduction) > 2. Some Diffrence between PHP and other web/system scripting languages ASP/Pearl > 3. Features [ Ease Protablity support] > 4. How to Get , Installting , Support[php.net , phpbuilder.com , zend.com] > 5. Development > 5a. Tempalte [dynamic sites , ease of change of db] > 6. PHP + Mysql > 7. Apportinuties > 8. Application [web site of *.edu ] > > > Tcl/Tk [10 -15 minutes] ======== [This is the Tutorial at IBM site at > the link > https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/l-tcl/l-tcl-2-1.html > for this u have to register[Free] with ibm as part of "developerworks" > ] Tcl/Tk quick start Presented by developerWorks, your source for > great tutorials ibm.com/developerWorks Table of Contents If you're > viewing this document online, you can click any of the topics below to > link directly to that section. 1. About this > tutorial....................................................... 2 2. > Tcl/Tk basics > ............................................................ 4 3. The > Tcl language....................................................... 6 > 4. Tk > commands........................................................... 19 > 5. Getting to know > Expect................................................ 25 6. Tcl/Tk > extensions....................................................... 29 > 7. Resources and feedback > ............................................. 32 It look ok... Looking forward to seeing you @ SPCE on 19th and 20th :-) Thanks and regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 6919423 Tel: (+91-22) 6747120

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by q u a s i 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

At 08:27 morn 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >It just contains sound... It is an avi. You probably only have the audio codec. 600Mb of sound will be an awful lot. quasi

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(no subject)
by satyajit balkrishna saste 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Need some help in setting up a cluster.Anyone reading please send me the step by step procedure to set up a cluster.... Thanks..

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Debian CDs
by Parvez Lanewala 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Hi luggers, Can anyone lend me Debian 3.0_r0 (or close) CDs. I would prefer if all 7 CDs are with someone. I'm at andheri(e). Thanks in advance. parvez -- My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed. -- Christopher Morley

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[ACM] Discussion: Closed source is required in certain cases
by Philip S Tellis 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Topic: Closed source is required in certain cases Type: Discussion Date: Friday, October 18th, 2002 Time: 18:30 Venue: NCST, Juhu (http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/images/ncstj_roadmap.gif) Entrance: Free for all There will be a discussion/debate on whether Closes source is required in certain cases or not. All are welcome to attend, and to say something on the matter. This is a discussion, so everyone speaks. Philip -- "Show business is just like high school, except you get paid." - Martin Mull

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cvsupd in linux
by slash_axl_rose 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

hi luggerz may i know whats "cvsupd" used for mirroring??? one more question if i want to use ssh to connect to another server and dont want to type password all the time is there any remedy?? ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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FLOSS... e-government... and India
by Frederick Noronha 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Open Source... e-government ... and India This is an international conference on Open Source (Free Software/Open Source might have been a better description) in the US. And look at the 'desi' participation: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh (27) ex-Delhi and key author of the FLOSS European study; a special session for India (Ajay Kumar of Kerala, Jivtesh Maini of Punjab, Sunil Abraham of Mahiti-Bangalore... a convert to GNU/Linux and its relevance for NGOs, and Vinay Deshpande of Simputer Trust). There are also other desi-sounding names. Wish more desis could travel the globe at the drop of a hat... there are more points to be made http://www.egovos.org/egovosagenda.htm * * * * * * * * * More such info at http://linuxinindia.pitas.com * * * * * * * * *

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workshop@SPCE can we participate
by Gurpreet Singh 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

hi the contents for the workshop at spce seem exciting... can we participate for it. plz revert back with registeration fee etc. gurpreet

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Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

Hi ILUGers, Here is the revised agenda with changes proposed by Bala / Vinit of SPCE. All speakers are requested to acknowledge and confirm their availability. On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Sabarish Viswanathan wrote: > Dear Sir, > > There are a few changes that we would like to have in > the schedule.These are indicated below,wherever > required. Thanks Bala / Vinit for your input. Will incorporate the changes as proposed by you in new schedule. Day - 1 (19 Oct.) 09:00 - Registration 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ? 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and History of Free and Open Source s/w and GNU/Linux. Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) 11:30 - Installation Of RH / Debian Speaker: (Mitul Limbani / Parag Mehta ?) 13:00 - Lunch Break 14:00 - Linux / Unix file system hierarchy, OS principles, diff from MS-DOS / Win, The X Windowing System, XDM/KDM/GDM, WMs and DMs Speaker: (Dinesh Shah / Terrence ?) 15:30 - Programming and Development in GNU/Linux, C, C++, JAVA, Perl, PHP, Python, Shell... Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna - Python, Philip Tellis - Perl, Sameer - C/C++, R. Jaju - JAVA/GUI, Krishnan - C/C++,Mr.Tapeshwar - GTK/QT, Mitul Limbani PHP,Dinesh Shah - Shell ... ?) 16:30 - Tea Break 16:45 - Programming and Development continued 18:30 - Q&A Free wheeling 19:00 - Winding up the day. Day - 2 (20 Oct.) 09:00 - Registration 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member 10:00 - Basic System Administration, troubleshooting and asking for help. Netiquette and "LUGiquette". Speaker: (Philip Tellis ?) 12:00 - TCP/IP, Networking, sub-netting, routing, DNS, Introduction to PRC and Network / System Security Concepts Speaker: (Trevor Warren / Shankar Ramchandran ?) 13:30 - Lunch Break 14:30 - LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) and Web Applications and Application Servers (Tomcat, Zope etc.?) , RDBMS (MySQL, PostgreSQL etc.)? Speaker: ??? 16:00 - Tea Break 16:30 - Applications and extensions like embedded systems, open hardware etc. Speaker: (Terrence / Parag Mehta / Dinesh Shah ?) 17:30 - Q & A Free Wheeling. 18:00 - Concluding the seminar with invitation to participate in ILUG, PRC. > Also,we would find it difficult to stretch the > workshop beyond 6:00 pm on both the days.So we would > appreciate it if you could change your schedule as > required. > Thank you. The second day we will finish @ 6:00 PM :-) > Yours faithfully, > Balasubramanian V > SPCE -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Hi Problem in Fetchmail
by Tineeminee 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

Hi Can you please explain me the meaning of the error which i am getting while starting fetchmail e.g fetchmail -v -v -f /etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc fetchmail:/etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc:11:parse error at passwd Rgds Ram-C

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routing
by slash_axl_rose 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi luggerz ok ,May i know which r the latest routing protocolz in industry, which r dominantly used for following?? 1. Direct routing / Indirect routing 2. static /dynamic (RIP or OSPF) 3. interior (distancvector ,link state) /exterior(path vector)(EGP or BGP) and why?? ravi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] vsnl & virus scan --- (Fw: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert)
by Saswata Banerjee 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

WARNING !!! --- THERE MIGHT STILL BE A VIRUS IN THE HTML ATTACHMENTS, OPEN WITH CARE This is an example of what vsnl servers do. Look at the txt file. It is clear that vsnl deleted some attached file. That, according to my experience, is the .pif file, similar to what quasi got in his email. Personally, I think vsnl is doing a lot of good. I cant think of one user who will complain of such automated virus scanning when it saves him of a huge lot of trouble. In fact, I say, hats off to them for doing such thing. The message header is quoted below : **** Received: from smtp03.vsnl.net [203.197.12.9] by ns1.KLPMARK.COM with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A90CDFE603EE; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:12:52 +0530 Received: from Qgl ([203.197.12.9]) by smtp03.vsnl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H1ESAX01.6SO for <saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:24:33 +0530 Received: from ([203.197.116.65]) by smtp03.vsnl.net (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall Unix); Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:24:33 +0530 (IST) From: nyccutiegirlie <nyccutiegirlie(a)yahoo.com> To: saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com Subject: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=KdkUlG9c7ydu28sz24CV Message-Id: <200208252212853.SM00232(a)smtp03.vsnl.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:12:53 +0530 X-RCPT-TO: <saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Status: U X-UIDL: 327170562 ****** ----- Original Message ----- From: nyccutiegirlie To: saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert

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[LIH] Gentoo VS Apt-build
by Ritesh H Shukla 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

> Hi, > I read the article on slashdot.org pointing to an > article in ORielly about Gentoo Linux... Which seems > to be similar to what apt-build on debian is trying > to > achieve which it has to some extent. > Has any one used either... what are their opinion > on > the same?? > -Ritesh > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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streamin media
by slash_axl_rose 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

hi luggerezzzzzzzzzz ok as we have real media streamin server ,Do 'e hav something like that in linux to provide online media ondemand or live on web one more q'n is that how can a client listen to songs on a linux server is there any way to achieve this?? thx in advance ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] streamin media
by Vinayak Hegde 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

Hi, Yolinux site has some good links on using and configuring a streaming media server. here they are. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAudioStreaming.html http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRealVideoStreaming.html --> Vinayak Hegde On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:04:06 -0700 (PDT) slash_axl_rose wrote: > hi luggerezzzzzzzzzz > ok as we have real media streamin server ,Do 'e hav > something like that in linux to provide online media > ondemand or live on web > ===== > ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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[OT] who invented email?
by Nikhil Joshi 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

Hi! Have a look at page 2 of today's ( Sun Oct 13) Mumbai Newsline (supplement of The Indian Express ) Following is the comment at the end of the paragraph : S Ganesan and his email account : He wants to thank whoever invented email, but doesn't know if it should be Sabeer Bhatia or Microsoft I am confused. I mean Microsoft didnt invent email right? It was right frm the age old days of Internet I guess ... Also Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail ( I still dunno why it was earth - shattering . Can ny1 enlighten on this pls ?) So who invented email ? -- Nikhil Joshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] who invented email?
by Himanshu shukla 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

I was finding the history of a few technologies as a part of my mba studies. Heres some insight for email: "The first email message was sent in late 1971 by a computer engineer named Ray Tomilson. While the exact message is not known, it is believed to be something like "QWERTYIOP". Ray Tomilson is also the person who picked up the "@" as the locator symbol in the email address. For more info, check out: http://www.vicomsoft.us/knowledge/reference/email.history.html http://www.pretext.com/mar98/features/story2.htm -- Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> To: ilug <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:18:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] who invented email? Hi! Have a look at page 2 of today's ( Sun Oct 13) Mumbai Newsline (supplement of The Indian Express ) Following is the comment at the end of the paragraph : S Ganesan and his email account : He wants to thank whoever invented email, but doesn't know if it should be Sabeer Bhatia or Microsoft I am confused. I mean Microsoft didnt invent email right? It was right frm the age old days of Internet I guess ... Also Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail ( I still dunno why it was earth - shattering . Can ny1 enlighten on this pls ?) So who invented email ? -- Nikhil Joshi _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[OT] vsnl & virus scan
by Amish Mehta 12 Oct '02

12 Oct '02

First of all I have no idea if VSNL does what 'Saswata Banerjee & Associates' pointed out in his last email to this list. But I think its not legal to do that(even if email has virus). Because I think email should not be scanned(even if by a 'DUMB' program) without permission of sender or receiver. As most of emails do not have virus and may be official emails and it would be considered as intrusion to someones privacy. Would like others opinion. Thanks. Amish. Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > >An interesting thing I have noticed recently is that vsnl servers are >scanning outgoing emails for virus affected attachement and deleting them. I

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] vsnl & virus scan
by q u a s i 12 Oct '02

12 Oct '02

At 11:32 morn 10/11/02 +0530, you wrote: >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, q u a s i wrote: > > > without permission. But I would like to know how VSNL gets the legal > > right. If they do have a legal right then this is an issue which we have > >VSNL owns the network. You need to read the service agreement a >little closer. I do not think VSNL will be in any actual legal trouble. But Intel had to withdraw CPU's with the serial number due to people who "cherish" their privacy. Blocking spam is a completely different thing. You identify complete emails received from a dubious sources and block them. When you alter private emails you are breaching privacy. I dont think there is a "law" to prevent it, but it is /not/ the "Right Thing(tm)" to do IMHO. quasi

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[OT] Help Solicited : Linux installation on server.
by Vishal 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

There is a small office in Bombay, using Linux on their server. However, due to a disk crash, they need to start afresh & need the services of a person adept at Linux installation / configuration on a server. Their requirements are somewhat like this: Apache, PHP, MySQL, DNS, sendmail, POP... I believe the office will remunerate for the services rendered. Interested people please write with your expectations at bvishal(a)gmx.net and *not* on the list. Vishal.

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cgi + apache configuration issues
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

I'm trying to configure my apache server to handle cgi scripts. However I get the following error : ********************************************** [Fri Oct 11 10:40:57 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/cgi-bin/first.cgi failed [Fri Oct 11 10:40:57 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.13] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/cgi-bin/first.cgi ********************************************** The script which I am using for testing is given below: ********************************************** #!/usr/bin/perl print "Content-type: text/html\r\n\r\n"; print "Hello, World."; ********************************************** The access permissions for the script are: -rwxrwxrwx I've tried making the following changes to httpd.conf: ********************************************* ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin/ <Directory /var/www/cgi-bin> Options +ExecCGI </Directory> AddHandler cgi-script cgi pl AllowOverride Options ********************************************* I've also added the line below to .htaccess file: Options +ExecCGI The .htaccess earlier contained the line: deny from all However all attempts have been totally unsuccesful. Any solutions will be really appreciated. Regards Kapil Karekar Omkar e-nnovative software solutions kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com Tel: (091-022) - 8012861 (O) (091-022) - 8677305 (R)

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IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by q u a s i 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Philip, Your email on Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:37:24 +0530 (IST) with message id 20021007090724.249F65F446(a)mmb5.vsnl.net.in had a stock-obc.xls.pif file attached to it!!! Do you know anything about it? !

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eSakal font
by KDLinux 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi all, I am trying to install sakal fonts on redhat linux 7.2. This is what i did. 1. Copy the fonts to directory. /usr/share/fonts/Truetype 2. created fonts.scale file 3. I added the above directory to fontpath using chkfontpath 4. restarted xfs, xfstt 5. But I am not able to view the fonts in konqueror. Btw, I can see the font installed using gfontsel. Please help. TIA. ===== -- KD. www.kirandivekar.cjb.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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editing the startup files
by Hrushikesh Tilak 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi, I have RH 7.1. Before the logon screen appears, and after INIT starts, a number of programs are automatically started . Which file should i edit so as to prevent some of these programs from starting and also to add some other program? (Something like autoexec.bat in windoze 9x.) Hrushikesh Tilak _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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X not working
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hello, I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop 1405-S151 which has a CyberAlladin-T graphics accelerator card with 16 MB of VRAM.I am using PCQ Linux 7.1 which is based on RHL 7.1 However X does not seem to start up. I searched the net for the solution but was not successful. there is one site which mentioned that there is a driver which works with XFree86 4.0.2. How do I find out which version of X is running on my machine. And if its not XFree86 4.0.2 and assuming I download the required module how do I install it and I do I get X to work? thanks in anticipation -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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X not working.....mistake ooops
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hello, I made a mistake in mentioning the version of XFree86. the driver is available for version 4.2. and I have a feeling that the current version of X on my system is not 4.2 thanks again -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable
by Sudhakar Dayal 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

I would love to get Debian, please tell from "where" could we ge get that. DAYAL >From: q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less >configurable >Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:40:28 +0530 > >At 11:36 morn 10/9/02 +0530, Tahir wrote: > >>Am I missing something? > >Yes. Debian. Join us. The Debian way is the One True Way. > >:-) > >quasi > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Amish Mehta 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Philip S Tellis wrote: > >Are you sure it came from me? There is a worm around that sends mails <snip> >- I have never (in my life) sent a .xls or a .pif file via email To add to that I have never received a .xls or a .pif file from Philip. ;-). Infact from noone in list. But I have one doubt, does mailman scan emails for virus? Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installation Problem - Sun Solaris 8
by q u a s i 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

At 12:13 even 10/10/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, q u a s i wrote: > > > Beg your pardon, but is this a SUG? If not then a [OT] in the subject > would be warranted, > > wouldn't it? > >Umm, the OP is not on this list. He saw the archives on the web and >posted here. Please reply directly to him. His membership status is not my business. I dont keep track of every member on this list. He posted here, so the reply. If he read the archives on the web, do they not contain the private email address of this "Soumen" to whom the email was addressed? q

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Unmounting /
by Nikhil Joshi 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi! ok this is bit stupid but still.. how do I unmount / i've observed that during shutdown / is unmounted ==> I shud also be able to unmount / but when i give: #umount / it gives umount: /: device is busy for obvious reasons. so how does the shutdown manage to umount the / Thx -- Nikhil

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Re: IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Amish Mehta 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Well sorry for confusion, actually what I meant was if messages to the list are scanned for virus before being distributed? Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >mailman doesn't. it is a mailing list software. no more, no less. >amavis does.

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[Announce] libyahoo2 v 0.6
by Philip S Tellis 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

libyahoo2 - A C library for the Yahoo! Messenger Protocol. http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ Changes in this release: * Removed glib dependencies. Will use glib only if available * Configure time option --with-struct-callbacks to use a callback struct instead of callback functions (see yahoo2_callbacks.h and the README) * Identities Support - Get identities from server - Activate/Deactivate identities - Use identities when sending messages * Fixed possible buffer overflow in reading key/value pairs * sample console client no longer requires gtk!

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again samba configurations
by PRASHANT PATIL 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi to all, First of all I AM sorry for not to reply you within 3-4 days & also the way of question that I was discussing. Well I am not miss any DNS name I want to connect two commuters. One is configured as domain controller with windows 2000 Active directory with domain name "milkyway.net" { hay there is no space or wrong my server works very well ;-) } with IP add 198.165.10.2 same DNS address "milkyway.net" and second is with mandrake 8.1. Tell me how I will connect two PCs Tell with the simple language with proper instructions with striate method OR Tell me how I will configure Linux as a samba server with peer-to peer model in the simple sets of instructions. I want to thanks satya, Phillip and others but name was DNS name or FPQN is not my problem My problem is that I don't know how to configure this two machines properly. How to's and books are on this topic are too bulky to use. just tell me method as practically you have do it. You are diverted the subject that I am talking forgot about DNS configurations . tell me SAMBA configurations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable
by Tahir Hashmi 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Installation Problem - Sun Solaris 8
by Jim DiZoglio 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Soumen, You had posted a message on the web: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20011001/002530.htm l "I tried installing Sun Solaris 8 on the 2nd HDD... on the beginning of the intallation itself (before scanning for hardware devices), it returned this error : ----------------- Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF --------------" I was wondering you had resolved this? Regards, Jim

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[Announce] HTML.Template.java v 0.1.2
by Philip S Tellis 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

HTML.Template.java is a package that allows you to separate your HTML code from your java code. It is useful for servlet writers. You no longer need to recompile your code everytime you change the design. HTML.Template.java is 100% syntax compatible with HTML::Template.pm http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/ Version 0.1.2 fixes a bug that caused TMPL_VARs inside TMPL_LOOPs to be case sensitive even if case_sensitive is set to false. Philip

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Frederick Noronha 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Thanks to Ashish Kotamkar for sending this in via the Solaris list, run out of Delhi and Europe. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 NEW DELHI: If the Chinese have IT, get it. The Indian government seems to be taking a leaf out of China's operating system, and is planning a countrywide drive to promote the open source operating system, Linux, as the 'platform of choice' instead of 'proprietary' solutions. For proprietory, read Microsoft, which controls over 90% of the desktop software market. The Department of Information Technology has already devised a strategy to introduce Linux and open source software as a de-facto standard in academic institutions, especially in engineering colleges through course work that encourages use of such systems. Research establishments would be advised to use and develop re-distributable toolboxes just as Central government departments and state governments would be asked to use Linux-based offerings. DIT is in talks with leading industry players like IBM and HCL to get a feel of their work in the area and invite proposals for joint projects. "As a first step we are persuading all government institutions to offer courses on Linux and programming for Linux environment. We would also set up Linux Resource Centres in academic institutes (with co-funding from government and industry)," said a senior government official. Though India has made a name for itself selling solutions, software as a product is expensive within the country. And the cost will bite once India starts implementing IPR protection in earnest, as it has committed itself to. While redistribution of proprietary software is restricted through a licence agreement, the licensing terms for Linux grants the right to obtain and redistribute copies. Many analysts believe that China's growing dominance in the IT space is fuelled by its low cost open source bias. The Chinese government has consistently promoted its local software based on Linux, both for cost reasons, and reportedly for 'security' concerns as well. The source code for proprietory software is not revealed, and this, it is believed, has not found favour with the Chinese, especially in defence and security related applications. Microsoft, in what many observers and reports say is an attempt to soften the Chinese government's stand, recently committed to investing $750m in China in three years to help set up a software college and put its money into Chinese education. In comparison, Microsoft has announced investments worth only $75m over a three-year time frame in India. Howver, the Chinese company Redflag Software, which was set up by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the country's most prestigious research institute, has often come out with low-cost software based on Linux, in direct competition to Windows-based software. The Indian government's plan, however, is not driven by security concerns, but by the far more simple arithmetic of costing. To put it simply, India being a developing country needs low cost solutions. Unlike the Microsoft-developed Windows operating system, Linux code is free and downloadable from the internet. With the addition of special applications, it can be personalized to meet specific needs. An industry-government-user-developer conference on the subject would be organised to throw up ideas for specific initiatives including funding, reliable sources told ET. The only issue here is support and services, which Indian government sources feel is not likely to be an issue in a country known for its software support and service skills. Like China, the government is also eyeing the increasingly lucrative global support and services market for the Linux environment may prove lucrative. While proprietary support agreements govern only the systems purchased (with licences), for free software support is independent of the number of copies owned. "With applications in security being a focus area, inputs have been sought from the Defence on their experience with Linux. Indian-language based solutions, e-governance, embedded and high performance cluster solutions are other areas. But firstly we want to concretise the position on IPR issues in the use of Linux," the source said. DIT is planning a three-tier mechanism, with itself as the first, industry, user groups and state governments as the second and a national apex committee headed either by a government representative, an industry expert or an academician to oversee manpower and skill development, applications development and deployment and public policy support, said sources. According to IDC's figures for '00, Microsoft still controlled 94% of the desktop software market and while Linux is expected to overtake the number two � Apple Mac OS � by '03, it would still control less than 4% of the market. In server software, it fares a little better and is expected to control around 30% of the market by '03, according to IDC. Linux, which has established itself in the server space, is an open reliable OS that runs on virtually any platform and was developd by Finnish technologist Linus Torvalds. After developing the initial source code, Linus made it available on the Internet for use, feedback and further development. =============================================== Warm regards, Ashish Kotamkar (ashish(a)mithi.com) solaris--independant forum for IT & development issues un/sub info: solaris-request(a)mail.sarai.net with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. URL: http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/solaris/ archive: http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/solaris/

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X not starting up
by Dr . Sharukh K . R . Pavri . 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Further to my problems as mentioned in my earlier mail wrt kernel paging request, I am suddenly unable to start X windows. I am getting the following errors. ------------------------ <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 09691f73 printing eip: c012bfdc *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[<c012bfdc>] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: c02b015c ebx: c1371fec ecx: 0000000b edx: 09691f73 esi: ccfb7740 edi: ccfb77f8 ebp: 00000000 esp: cb961efc ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Process xauth (pid: 1395, stackpage=cb961000) Stack: c1371fec c012c0ca c1371fec c0126e56 c1371fec 00001000 cf771134 00000001 ----------------------------- These lines are also found in the error messages ---- /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 100: 1475 Segmentation fault xauth add $display /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 103: 1479 Segmentation fault xinit $clientargs -- $serverargs /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 107: 1480 Segmentation fault xauth remove $removelist -------------------------------------------- Please help !!!! I really am desperate :-( thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Keyur K Shroff 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Luggers, Read the following article published in Economic Times. TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 - Keyur

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Re: workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct)
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Kapil, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Kapil Karekar wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > > If you need a helping hand with any thing viz. creating > slides or any paperwork regarding the workshop @ SPCE please > do let me know. Sure, will let u know when required... > I have taken leave from my work place on Saturday so as to > attend the workshop. I hope they allow me in at SPCE :-) :-) That's something called dedication. :-) BTW, which topic you are preparing? Even small talk on the topic you are interested will do. Looking forward to your great talk in the workshop. > Regards, > > Kapil Karekar Thanks for volunteering, With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Harsh, On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Harsh R Busa wrote: > hi willl be interested but tell me what topics are not yet tagged.... i can > do some homework if needed Great, If you can do C/C++, JAVA or any other topic that you may interested in? Please refer my earlier mail for list of topic. Thanks for volunteering, will include you in the list of speakers. :-) > take care > harsh With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+91-22) 6919423

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Re: Registration
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Dear Mr. Mallikarjun Angadi, It's nice to know that you are interested in participating in GNU/Linux seminar (The one @ SPCE on 19-20 Oct.?). However, the seminar is open to only student members of IEEE of SPCE (Saradar Patel College of Engineering). :-( But, after receiving the kind of response and requests to participate, we will soon plan a similar workshop in near future, which is open to all. Sorry to turn you and many more down, but wait for some time and we will give you a workshop for sure. Thanks for your interest in GNU/Linux. With regards, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Mallikarjun Angadi wrote: > Dear Mr. Dinesh, > > I would like to participate in the two day seminar on LINUX alongwith my colleagues Mr. Ganesh > and Ms. Sreeja, both are working as Sys. Administrators. A word of confirmation in this regard is > appriaciated. Registration formalities will be completed once we reach the seminar place. > > Looking forward to your reply > > Mallikarjun Angadi > > Inf. Scientist > > > ***************************************************************** > > MR. MALLIKARJUN ANGADI Ph: 91-22-5563289-96; > INFORMATION SCIENTIST Extn.282(O) > Tata Institute of Social Fax: 91-22-556 2912 > Sciences angdi(a)hotmail.com > P.B.No.8313, angdi(a)rediffmail.com > Sion-Trombay Rd., Deonar > Mumbai - 400 088, INDIA. > **************************************************************** > -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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SMALL GRANTS: Need resources to write Free Software?
by Frederick Noronha 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

Sarai/CSDS, a Delhi-based research network that realises the potential of Free/Open Source software, is offering a limited number of small grants (in three categories of under Rs 10,000; Rs 10-30,000; and Rs 30,000-60,000) for those willing to write socially-useful programmes and put these out in the public domain. Ownership of these programs will remain with its writer(s), under the GNU/GLP or similar suitable licence. But the coders will undertake to widely distribute and make available their work to those who desire to use the same, in the interest of promoting Free Software/Open Source in India. Email in your plans and suggestions via email to application(a)sarai.net with a copy to fred(a)bytesforall.org not later than October 31, 2002. Use "FLOSS application" as the subjectline. This should contain the following details: * Outline of project * How this project would be relevant to society's needs * Stage of the project (if work is underway) * Time-frame required for completion * Whether work will be done singly, or if jointly, names of all individuals/groups to be involved * Estimated number of man-hours for completion of this project * Estimated cost with break-up * Any other information you feel relevant. Last date for application is October 31, 2002. Feel free to pass around this note, particularly to students who could use such help productively.

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Multilink PPP
by Sabu Thaliyath 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

Hi all, My ISP has asked me to switch over from ppp to mulitlink ppp...Can anybody tell me how to setup my system so that I can use multilink ppp.... I have got a Zyxel omninet ISDN modem...and I am using wvdial for dialling.. regards, Sabu _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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[hiren.bose@timesgroup.com: hello]
by Nagarjuna G. 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Please respond to Hiren directly, he is not a member of the list. Nagarjuna ----- Forwarded message from hiren <hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com> ----- Envelope-to: nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in From: hiren <hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com> Resent-Date: 06 Oct 2002 17:21:43 +0530 Resent-From: klak(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (Khuzaima A. Lakdawala) Resent-Message-Id: <200210061151.RAA00332(a)home.this-is-not-a-domain.in> Resent-Sender: klak(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in Resent-To: nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in Subject: hello To: gnu(a)cc4.tifr.res.in X-AntiVirus: OK! AntiVir MailGate Version 2.0.0.0 at hbcse has not found any known virus in this email. X-From-Line: hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com Sat Aug 31 12:53:11 2002 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 for ulka.timesgroup.com hello, few days back , i met a friend who teaches linux in vasai. that made me think: why not do a article on the popularity of linux. as said, i am doing a piece on linux users of mumbai. would be interested to know which institutiona are using linux and if possible email ids of individual linux users in mumbai. how good is the linux as a desktop appliaction. does the linux users of mumbai meet often, where and since when. anything more u would like to add. hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

On Friday 04 October 2002 13:42, Satya wrote: > On Oct 4, 2002 at 12:28, Philip S Tellis wrote: > >Arrey, Video Conference karo na? > > I do have a webcam and microphone. What connection? dialup or leased? If dialup only audio. Using lpc10 compression gives useable audio with a bw of 4kb. rgds jtdesouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

On Thursday 03 October 2002 13:54, Dinesh Shah wrote: > Hi ILUGers, > > Here is the revised agenda with changes proposed by Bala / Vinit of > SPCE. > > All speakers are requested to acknowledge and confirm their > availability. > > Day - 1 (19 Oct.) > 09:00 - Registration > > 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome > Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ? > > 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and > History of Free and Open > Source s/w and GNU/Linux. > Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) > > 11:30 - Installation Of RH / Debian > Speaker: (Mitul Limbani / Parag Mehta ?) > > 13:00 - Lunch Break > > 14:00 - Linux / Unix file system hierarchy, OS principles, diff > from MS-DOS / Win, The X Windowing System, XDM/KDM/GDM, WMs and DMs > Speaker: (Dinesh Shah / Terrence ?) When is the last day for confirming prescence. I might not be in Mumbai on 19th-20th. rgds jtdesouza(a)softhome.net >

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sun supporting linux
by Girish Hanchate 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Hi Kindly go to following site. Now sun has also come up with linux server on intel. http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/?redirect=false&refurl=http://wwws.su… rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Console frontend to wvdial
by Frederick Noronha 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

This msg is from Asterix Baron <b2ornot2b(a)yahoo.com> in Goa. -FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- hi all heres a set of scripts that act as a front end to wvdial ... console based it gives u a bar of traffic on ppp interface ideal for the 'console happy' ;) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/files/inet.zip if u have any probs with these hack them to suit ur taste adieus cheerio b2 p.s. Does anyone have any interesting scripts to share ??? p.s. Is anyone interested in forming an (e)group ... BCLU - Brotherhood of Command Line Users ??? to share the power of the command line

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Not so Random
by Vinayak Hegde 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

Hi , The special devices /dev/random and /dev/urandom provide access to the Linux kernel's built-in random number generation facility. Most software functions for generating random numbers, such as the rand function in the standard C library, actually generate pseudorandom numbers. Although these numbers satisfy some properties of random numbers, they are reproducible (for further explanation refer TAOCP - Donald Knuth) If you start with the same seed value, you ll obtain the same sequence of pseudorandom numbers every time. This behavior is inevitable because computers are intrinsically deterministic and predictable. It is sometimes possible to break a cryptographic algorithm if you can obtain the sequence of random numbers that it employs. To obtain better random numbers in computer programs requires an external source of randomness.The Linux kernel harnesses a particularly good source of randomness: you! By measuring the time delay between your input actions, such as keystrokes and mouse movements,and the noise from devices, Linux is capable of generating an unpredictable stream of high-quality random numbers. You can access this stream by reading from /dev/random and /dev/urandom . try od -t x1 /dev/random (Press keys randomly on your keyboard and see the output) od -t x1 /dev/urandom you can get more information using :- man 4 random hope this helps :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:38:25 +0530 Amish Mehta wrote: > You might want to see > perldoc -f srand # PERL random seed documentation. > [snip] > You should be able to write similar code in C. > > Amish. __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Kernel compilation
by flameboy varun 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

How do i recompile the 7.3 kernel when there is no kernel-headers rpm installed and I know it is not available on the CDs as well? Geek by Nature Linux by choice mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

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Re: sendmail problem
by Amish Mehta 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

If I remember you should add your local network (for e.g 192.168.1 should be enough) to /etc/mail/relay-domains Amish. acharya(a)dacafe.com wrote: >I have a problem with sendmail. it's working fine. But when the internet >link is down, as dns server is not hosted locally. All mails from >clients are not accepted by the sendmail server. Mails lies in the >outbox of the outlook express. When internet link is up everything is >fine again.

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Repartitioning /home
by Ashok Iyer 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi all, I have a Red Hat Linux 7.3 machine working as a file server with 36GB allocated for /home. I want to make /home 72GB by adding another disk. Can you suggest how this can be accomplished non-destructively as well as destructively. I dont mind moving the existing data out of /home, repartitioning it and then moving the data back. I am using SCSI disks. -- Ashok __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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