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PERL | Perl | perl
by Parag Someshwar 10 May '02

10 May '02

Well... Practical Extraction and Report Language or Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. Take you pick. But anyways... PERL by any other name is just as cool, isn't it!! Parag > > > The candidate should have a thorough knowledge of networking and email > > services in particular. He/she should be proficient at PERL & shell > > Ummm, it's either perl or Perl, never PERL. > -------------------------------------------------------------- QuantumLink Communications, Bombay, India

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mailman
by SP 10 May '02

10 May '02

Hi, With regards to Mailman mailing list manager.... (1) How should set the TO field to show the recipient's email address instead of list's email address. (2) How can I remove the Mailman related lines from the email header. --SP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

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OT - Super cool display!
by kishor bhagwat 10 May '02

10 May '02

guys, jus telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl...and watch the fun! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com

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[COMMERCIAL] Job opening
by Parag Someshwar 10 May '02

10 May '02

Hi all, This post is related to a job opening at QuantumLink Communications Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai. We are looking for an experienced (2+ years) Systems & Network Administrator, initmately familiar with the Linux platform. The candidate should have been responsible for, and managed, mission critical Linux servers. The candidate should have a thorough knowledge of networking and email services in particular. He/she should be proficient at PERL & shell scripting. C programming knowledge could be an asset. Those interested should email their resumes to the following address - parag(a)qlcomm.com. Please reply to this mail offlist. Thanks, Parag Someshwar Email : parag(a)qlcomm.com Web : http://qlc.co.in/ Ph. no.: +91-22-4986445 -------------------------------------------------------------- QuantumLink Communications, Bombay, India

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Re Fetchmail problem
by noel seq 10 May '02

10 May '02

From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> Sometime on May 7, noel seq assembled some asciibets to say: >My fetchmail logs onto the server and downloads the mail, but after it >downloads, it gives me the following errors: SMTP < 451 unable to exec qq >(#4.30) SMTP listener refused delivery your local sendmail isn't allowing fetchmail to deliver mails. try manually sending a message through sendmail. you may have to reconfigure sendmail, or easier, just tel fetchmail to use procmail for delivery. -- Yup, i realise that qmail-inject does not do the job and gives the error and may have to reconfigure qmail . How am I to make fetchmail use procmail for delivery. Regards, Noel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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sendmail + fetchmail
by acharya＠dacafe.com 10 May '02

10 May '02

Hi I have installed sendmail on linux 7.2 and configured fetchmail to fetch mails from pop space hosted on the net. I have two problem. 1)when mail from outside the domain r recived by the clients (outlook or outlook express)the time shown on the mail is of day after (like insted of 8th may it shows 9th may), But local for local mail the time is allright. We have checked system time, sendmail, pop3d and imap all time is shown proper. Do any know how to slove it. 2)in crontab we have set the time to fetch mail for every 20 mins. but it retrives mails evey 1.20 , 2.20, means on hourly baises.the statement is as follows. 0,20 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail -F help required in urgent basises. thanks _____________________________________________________________

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Re[2]: Public Domain, GPL, GFDL
by Vinay Pai 09 May '02

09 May '02

>> > don't think you can GPL this sig, unless you've got >> > the copyright on it. >> >> Well, can they publish it under GNU Free Documentation License? > the point is, no one but the original author can do that. if it is in > public domain, then it must remain so. the GPL or GFDL are more > restrictive than public domain. of course, now i'm starting to drag > levels. IMHO if its public domain, you /can/ release it under any license you wish, including one which says everyone who reads this sig must pay me a million bucks. However such relicensing is not likely to be effective since one can just obtaion the stuff from another source. Public domain means you can do pretty much anything you like with it, except perhaps claim that you are the original author. That includes releasing it under a more restrictive license. It was precisely to prevent this that GPL & Co. were drawn up.

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PC(P2) for Sale ...
by Darshan.Wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 09 May '02

09 May '02

Hi, i've got a pc (p-2 machine). The cost with SAmsung color monitor is nearly 10,500/- This includes: p2 333MHz, 32 MB RAM, New keyboard, new mouse, new motherboard new cdrom. For time being , i've put my 4.3 hdd. This machine has new CPU assembly and may have to be upgraded with: RAM, Sound Card,( external Modem if u need). The machine seems quite a good deal, if u r interested let me know ASAP. So may be the total cost will be: Actual price -> 10,500/- ( price from the person i am negotiating inclusive of above mentioned items) RAM -> 01,500/- (approx if u need to upgrade to 128MB) HDD(40GB) -> 02,000/-(approx if u need a bigger hard disk) SoundCard -> 01,400/-( sound card+ Speaker if required) Total -> 16,000/- approx.(Max) As of the day a new Celeron will cost u 18-20,000/- New P3/P4 will go around 30-34,000/- So Instead of investing a large sum , i think this can be a better deal. I've tested the machine, and it seems quite fast. The only problem being that of RAM. So let me know as soon as possible if u r interested. May be after 3-4 years u can go for a better mc. As of date P2 is more than enough for Home i think. Cheers, Darshan Classic: A book that everybody wants to have read, and nobody wants to read. =========================== _\ /_ / \ ===========================

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redhat 6.2 mail login problem at particular time
by Hiten Desai 09 May '02

09 May '02

I have a rhl 6.2 as our mail server sendmail 8.11 imap 2000 and twig amavis I am having problem at times when suddenly every body could not log in pop users imap users and twig users could not log in at particular time this happens about once a week but I am able to login on console I tried with restarting following services sendmail, apache and named but it doesnt work so I have to reboot the server after that every thing works fine but I dont know what is this problem I think this is at the operating system level anybody !! please help!! its really painfull to restart the server Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] information
by Tahir Hashmi 09 May '02

09 May '02

http://in.redhat.com/training/rhce/ --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed On Wed, 08 May 2002 13:31:39 varun talreja wrote: >Hi friends > i am interested and very much eager to give RED HAT Certification > but i am not able to get the information about that . any of u , could >please tell , what all papers r there in this certification , if possible >syllabus also and the most important the certification fees. > i shall be really greatfull for ur kindness > thanx >with regards >Varun Talreja >system engineer >CMC LIMITED >NEW DELHI-01 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Peru moves to free software, Microsoft objects, objection overruled
by Philip S Tellis 08 May '02

08 May '02

Read the letters and story at: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1364 http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html http://www.gnu.org.pe/mscarta.html http://www.gnu.org.pe/proleyap.html This could be useful for our government too. Philip -- The Universe is populated by stable things. -- Richard Dawkins

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[COMMERCIAL]redHat7.3 available at LinuxCampus.net
by Linux CDs 08 May '02

08 May '02

Hello Luggers, RedHat 7.3 is available at LinuxCampus.net for Rs 50/- a cd. Shipping in BOMBAY is Rs 50/- ***We use BRANDED CDS ONLY*** Mahesh Adnani LinuxCampus.net http://www.linuxcampus.net . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

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information
by varun talreja 08 May '02

08 May '02

Hi friends i am interested and very much eager to give RED HAT Certification but i am not able to get the information about that . any of u , could please tell , what all papers r there in this certification , if possible syllabus also and the most important the certification fees. i shall be really greatfull for ur kindness thanx with regards Varun Talreja system engineer CMC LIMITED NEW DELHI-01 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Configuring CyberRoam problems?
by it Force 08 May '02

08 May '02

i am facing problems configuring cyber-roam client for linux. i get the following error message after giving in the login name and password 'You are not allowed to login from this client' or something of this sort. plz. let me know if anyone comes across this same problem, or has a solution for the same. _________________________________________________________ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Buying a Laptop to use Linux
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 08 May '02

08 May '02

hi, i am planning to buy a laptop to use Linux on it.which brand among the present breed offers the best support for Linux with respect to hardware compatibility. are there any up-to-date resources on the web which i can look into. also just as an after thought i am just curious as to how the Apple Powerbook which has the BSD core and the Mac interface compare to a normal laptop running Linux. my curiosity stems from the fact that its my guess that the Mac OS X would allow me to run most of the GUI based programs available for Linux or BSD and at the same time allow me to use M$ products for the Mac like MS Office (well... all us still use a little bit of M$ everyday) regards NDK _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Buying a Laptop to use Linux
by Tahir Hashmi 07 May '02

07 May '02

On Tue, 7 May 2002 11:17:45 Prakash Shetty wrote: > >Never argue with an idiot. First they drag you to thier own level and then >they beat you with experience. > Damn good one, Prakash! --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Cyber-Roam denying access?
by it Force 07 May '02

07 May '02

my cyber-roam client gives me 'You are not allowed to access from this terminal' or something of this sort of message. has any1 got something similar? plz. let me know.? _________________________________________________________ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Emacs Manual
by Q u a s i 06 May '02

06 May '02

I think someone, (Krishnan I think), had printed out the Emacs manual about a year ago. If anyone has a copy, could I borrow it for Xeroxing? cheers, quasi

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Web Apps
by Amol Hatwar 05 May '02

05 May '02

Hi, I have been for long interested in making a Content Management System. I learnt PHP, after a few hundered lines of code... *documented* I began to realsie the pitfalls. Everything looked just like greek. At the same time I find it quite amusing too see so many CMSs and portal systems out there have been built using PHP. I believe quite a good number of you must have tried alternatives like mod_python on Apache, or perhaps even J2EE... I'd love to know how they scale up with regards to PHP. Amol Hatwar. _________________________________________________________ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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[OT] Important do read it !! Some kinda virus or prank
by noel seq 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

Whats worse is that despite having Amavis+ MCAfee with the latest dat, the virus is not detected by my mail server and the mail is being passed on to the clients. Anybody else having similar problem. Noel _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Good n/w monitor
by SP 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Hi All, Does any one know of a good network scanner which will tell me more about the traffic in my network, congestions / which port / application is throwing more packets, any leaks etc. I tried downloading IRIS, but was unable to form thier site. Any other network Traffic analyzer ?? SP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

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[OT] Yahoo mail users - check your privacy settings
by Philip S Tellis 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

As of today, yahoo's new mail terms came into effect. Meaning, free pop3 access was shut off. That's not all that's happened though. Yahoo has also changed their privacy policy, so unless you go to the website and change your privacy settings, you could find that your yahoo address, your alternate address, and even your phone number have been sold to advertisers. Read the full story at http://www.sunspot.net/technology/pluggedin/bal-pl.himowitz25apr25.column?c… Philip -- Hey! Let's do that 2,000-pound man thing. I'll be that Carl Reiner guy, and you be what's-his-face. -- Homer Simpson Homer vs. Patty and Selma

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] squid
by acharya＠dacafe.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

thanks, Ashok, I tried with webmin first. Got confused will try as said. Thanks for u r help. _____________________________________________________________

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squid
by acharya＠dacafe.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Hi everyone can anyone help me out how to configure squid proxy to auth user and restrict them. how to do it through mac address. i am not good at linux so pls any easy method or some tool. priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________

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AbiWord 1.0
by Tahir Hashmi 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Hi All! AbiWord 1.0 has been released on 18 April '02 and RPMs are available for RedHat 7.2. If anyone has tried it out please send in some reviews, especially about AbiWord-GNOME. http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/1019174687/ Thankyou --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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[OT] Important do read it !! Some kinda virus or prank
by Mitul Limbani 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Hey guys, i have been recieving mails which has a size of some 127K or 250K and the whole mail with header just looks like this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: <frank(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> Delivered-To: mitul(a)mitul.com Received: (qmail 15675 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 11:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.com) (202.149.217.214) by ns7.nttindia.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 11:43:04 -0000 Received: from Dvcrcvqib ([192.168.1.242]) by www.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:08:58 +0530 From: prakash <prakash(a)freeos.com> To: mitul(a)mitul.com Subject: Worm Klez.E immunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Fi6021GV119p61iJ Return-Path: frank(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in Message-Id: <SERVER2000tox7nyeKz00000106(a)www.com> X-Originalarrivaltime: 25 Apr 2002 11:38:58.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9C6F220:01C1EC4D] Date: 25 Apr 2002 17:08:58 +0530 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess some guy who has an email frank(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in has spread some kinda email virus which goes on sending mails to all ppl in the address book....dont know if it attacks on pine or windoze i m on webmail so dont know the remote sender client... but pls be beware of such mails and do delete off i guess u should better clean up your systems too to see wat is going on ... Best Regards, -Mitul Limbani (mitul 2 mitul.com)

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sendmail log analyzer
by Hiten Desai 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Hi! I would like to know about sendmail log analyzer which can check unused accounts on rh 6.2 or any other scripts with which one can find of unused email accounts for certain fixed time Regards Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

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Router config page and linux
by Satya 24 Apr '02

24 Apr '02

So there's a router separating the private network from the internet. I've got a Linux box (gort) and a Windows box (wintermutex) and others (all Windows, none important) on the private network. The router's a Linksys BEFSR81 (I think that's the model number) (8 port). It has a web-based password protected only-from-the-inside configuration. All the Windows boxes, including wintermutex, can access this page. Trying to get there from gort doesn't work -- it's like the port is closed. nmap says the port *is* closed. telnet router 80 yields an unable to connect. *Everything* else works as it should. What could be wrong? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> My other sig is a 4000 line perl program.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by Dinesh Shah 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

Hi, Here is the White paper http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html Why Open Source Software / Free Software (OSS/FS)? Look at the Numbers! By David A. Wheeler dwheeler(a)dwheeler.com Revised as of April 16, 2002 This paper provides quantitative data that, in many cases, using open source software / free software is a reasonable or even superior approach to using their proprietary competition according to various measures. This paper examines market share, reliability, performance, scaleability, security, and total cost of ownership. It also has sections on non-quantitative issues, unnecessary fears, and other sites providing related information, and ends with some conclusions. -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Off-topic Ph.D in Science Education
by Nagarjuna G. 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

I am posting this here, with the hope some of you may be interested in working for Ph.D in Knowledge Organization and Science Education (Using AI for science education). http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/main/PhD/phdadmn Nagarjuna

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What is a Memory Barrier
by Shirish Chandra Pal 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi, Can anybody explain what is a memory barrier? I was scanning through some of the sample code of module implementation. In many places author has called a macro 'mb()'. Without any detail comments author has said 'a memeory barrier is required...'. I found that mb is defined as 'do{;} while(0)' ----- Shirish(a)antara.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by Tahir Hashmi 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:41:09 aaaaarrrgghhh wrote: >If i'm a company like Infosys/SAP, then I'm designing software to make >companies more productive.. There's a catch here - you've got to distinguish between products and services. A Word Processor is a software that can be used by n number of people without any changes done to the underlying source. OTOH, what Infosys/SAP would do is develop systems that apply to one specific customer and using the same techniques in another environment would again involve a lot of analysis and what-have-you for deployment. There are two pieces to this solution now - the Concept and the Software. You can't keep the Concept under wraps. The SEs at the client location have to know how your system works. The Software may be closed source but it won't make much of a difference if another party lifted your Software and Concept and tried to deploy it at another location because the analysis will have to be redone, the implementation will have to be redesigned to fit the other client and the software itself will have to be tweaked. Infosys charges according to man-hours spent on a project. Anyone who has been thru a complete development cycle knows that analysis, design, maintenance and support take far more man-hours than coding. So if I'm a Free Software counterpart of Infosys, I still earn a lot for my man-hours in other aspects. Where products are concerned, I follow the concept of one contributor to Free Software (regretfully, I forgot his name) - it makes a lot of economic sense to me if I give one app away in exchange of an entire OS and so many more apps for free. Perhaps, now you'd understand Philip's concept of "Cost per User". --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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US Dept of Energy to run Linux
by |= n I y A N T =| 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

hi, here's a relevant news-story ... since vr having this thread about govt promoting / adopting linux ... ppl involved in this initiative might find it useful ... ny ============================================= The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) has ordered a $24.5 million supercomputer running the Linux operating system for its facility in Richland, Washington, it announced Tuesday. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/04/18/doe.linux.idg/index.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Qmail books
by Amol Hatwar 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 Shankar Ramchandran wrote : >Dear all > >I need to set up an email server for my network. I would like to >know if >there are any good books that will explain installation, >configuration, and >tuning of qmail that you may recommend. Why not search amazon.com? :P _________________________________________________________ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem with Cookies support
by Amol Hatwar 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 Trevor Warren wrote : > >--- Amol Hatwar <amolhatwar(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > And as far as I know cookies have > > always been a > > problem when using proxies. >[snip] > my dear pal... > not necessarily.....usin transparent >proxyin...MASQ....SQUID....is the best soln. My own [snip :) ] I thought I was replying in apache's context :D. Amol Hatwar. _________________________________________________________ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Promoting Linux
by Keyur Shroff 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Hi Friends, A good news is that our central government is also taking deep interest in promoting Linux in all area. Government wants various agencies to give some feedback on the information related to Linux. They have sent a draft to NCST also. I think this mailing list is the best place where I can post the questions and get answers so that I can forward the information to our government. Please give as much input as you can. I am directing the revised information/feedback format on "Linux India Initiatives" for your kind consideration and input. The format is as follows : "Linux India Initiatives" Information may kindly be furnised under the following heads : 1. Linux - The need; 2. Demand profile segments - such as Home, Education, Research, Govt, Defence, Business, Embedded systems etc. 3. Present scenario (International) vs competing products 4. Issues to resolve : (i) Indian Language Support (ii) Security (iii) Awareness/education (iv) Certification (v) Standardisation (vi) Service Model vs product model (vii) Identification of minimal set of application 5. Transition strategy - Unix to Linux, legacy port 6. Consortium for linux based collaborative Development? The Li18nux, OSDL, LSB...? 7. Action Plan Kindly send your views/comments as soon as possible. Thanks, Keyur

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem with Cookies support
by Amol Hatwar 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

>Hi, Yea hi ><VirtualHost 192.9.200.203> > >ServerName 192.9.200.203 > >RewriteEngine On > ..... Ok you are using Apache as a proxy >Now the problem here is this particular website has made cookies >support manditory and this has created a lot of problem because >every time the user connect and a cookies is sent to this user >the cookies is sent with company.com. Since the cookies doesnt >get registered every hit of his to this website keeps sending him >new cookies. OK... You should try reading the docs that come with the software fisrt. You'll get all your answers in the apache documentation for the proxy module. And as far as I know cookies have always been a problem when using proxies. Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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Its all in the head!
by Amol Hatwar 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Hi, I have been following the pieces on convincing the Govt. to use GNU/Linux very closely. First, the factor of spending US$ is a logical one. Second, use GNU/Linux for most of my work and the learning curve has been steep-but I enjoy it. Ideally the Govt. should use GNU/Linux. But I wonder if the point just ends there. Leave training the babus apart, someone or some pressure has to be put for learning things. Who'll do this? Perhaps we could make a easier to use interface for the babus to use. But many people still doubt the capabilities of loosely connected programmers using the Net to develop real life programs. Linux itself has been through this stage. Its my general observation that many people who do use Linux and related technologies in the ring mainly do so because of the sense of adventure of trying something out thats cheaper, powerful, open and scaleable. Also there is a huge amount of self-motivation involved. On the other hand people generally get attracted to Windoze because of the eye-candy. They say it's more productive. Still, I see people around me in offices and big firms with a Compaq or an MNC brand desktop catching dust (*Kya karu Amol seekhne ko time nahi milta*). I see training camps that are arranged for people to get on to the new electronic system-happy smiles during the lunch and after a day or two everyone snaps back to the old method of work, the lunch digested well. Sometimes its just the other way. Firms think their new software is rancid (*grrr... Amol I can't even enter a mobile number in it*). They go for a new system with guarantees of SLAs and a thousand pages of Requirement Specs and a dozen of prototypes are tested. The thing ships. Somehow people are just not enthusiastic about it anymore. They know deep inside that there's been a mistake somewhere but they refuse to accept it. They still get the work done somehow with a Chandu from the Software Devloper's on permanent deputation in the firm. I have seen most of the projects on Windoze come to this. So I think the issue is far from convincing here. It's more about motivation and taking interest. If we can make the babus feel motivated to make the decision, there will be no reason why they wouldn't make it. Of course, someone will have to make the applications for them probably without any of the above glitches and deliver it in time. Maybe making and supporting applications for a sum will be a place where the almost undoable babu-hunger can be satisfied in someway. I feel this area is a bit more sensitive. Probably because our Govt. can take the responsibilities and shove it on to other peoples backs. The Armed forces have suuferred a plenty because of the glitches higher up. But here, the babus themselves will have to use the things they pay and decide for. No matter what the platform-who will save the babus if they are not motivated? Amol Hatwar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux.....let the babus use it 1st..;)
by Dinesh Shah 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Hi, On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Trevor Warren wrote: > can i suggest 1 thing pliss...;) > "A satisfied Customer is the BEST Advertising tool > any enterprise can hire...."...not tru in all cases > tho...;) > > Dude..letz get the babus to use it 1st and DEMO to > them that all their daily server/desktop needs can b > done using Free SOftware.....The industry behind the > services perspective will alwayz b there......ANd > believe me dude... And how do you plan to make them use any thing? > once the Govt sees that Support/Service is > available.....all the aprehensions will be drawn away. > So lets aske for a dept to start Gnu-linuxing ASAP. > The rest we can plan out.... Have you approached any department? > Trevor Warren With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Problem with Cookies support
by volu gina 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Hi, Every person in the my organisation does not have internet connectivity provided for them. To allow access to certain websites we have an apache configured which helps us do it. Here is one such configuration for accessing one particular website. When any user needs to access this website he keys his url as http://192.9.200.203 and accesses the website without even knowing that he is accessing the website on the internet since the url will always show up as http://192.9.200.203/xxxx. Below is the config for the same. <VirtualHost 192.9.200.203> ServerName 192.9.200.203 RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^(.*) http://www.company.com$1 [P,L] ProxyPass / http://www.company.com/ ProxyPassReverse / http://www.company.com/ ProxyRemote http://www.company.com/ http://192.9.200.34:80 </VirtualHost> Now the problem here is this particular website has made cookies support manditory and this has created a lot of problem because every time the user connect and a cookies is sent to this user the cookies is sent with company.com. Since the cookies doesnt get registered every hit of his to this website keeps sending him new cookies. I cannot create a dummy dns entry like local.company.com instead of the ip address 192.9.200.203 because I do not have a local dns server put in place here. Any suggestions as to how can I enable .company.com cookies to work on such a setup. Thanks in Advance. Cheers, Volly. --------------------------------- Download Yahoo! Score Tracker for live cricket scores on your desktop

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[OT] VPN with two invalid IPs
by Amish Mehta 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Hi, I want to connect my home and office computers(atleast share files, full TCP/IP would be best). But the problem is both computers have invalid IPs 172.16.x.x and I do not have control over gateways to setup VPN(one on in2 cable network, other on star cable network). I can keep both computers on 24 hrs, having access to internet via their local gateways. But I do not know how they will find each other. Currently I manually email and download files but is there a way I can actually FTP to and fro? Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] networking problem
by Tahir Hashmi 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:00:15 ketan shah wrote: > >at one time only one program runs unless we use >multithreading.is there any command in linux which >will run both programs at same time > Run the server, it waits for the client to send requests. Run the client. Period. If your server requires the client to be started _simultaneously_ it's broken. Can you please be more specific about your problem to get more meaningful answers than this one? --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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[commercial] RHCE course material
by Philip S Tellis 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Does anyone have RHCE course material either soft copy or hard copy, and is willing to share it, please contact me off list.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by Dinesh Shah 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Hi, Here are my thoughts on "what government should do to promote Free and Open Source softwares in India". The Government in most countries are BIG buyers in IT. Being a BIG buyers gives them the leverage vis-a-vis the dictating terms on the vendors. The Indian Government can use this leverage to boost Free and Open Source software by defining purchase policies of their needs. The Government purchases can be classified in to two categories - Defense and Non-Defense IT purchases. The Government can lay down following buying policy in their tendering procedures. Defense Purchases : The tenders for these purchases should ask for solutions rather then a specific product from a specific company. This will provide level playing field to all competing product or service vendors, whether Free/Open Source or Proprietary. The tenders for these purchases should accompany the source code for the products. This needs to be mandatory as it relates to defense and security of the product should be paramount in nature. The security can only be ascertained if the source code is available. Non-Defense Purchases : As with non-defense purchase, the tenders for purchase should ask for solutions rather then a specific product. This tender can have a voluntary clause for providing source code for the product. However, it should mandate that a product which accompanies source code will be preferred over non-availability of source code. If the above policy guide lines are followed as is or with required modifications it will lead to Get superior, robust, scalable and easy to use IT Solution Lower IT acquisition cost for the Government Efficient use of "scares" resources Enhanced SECURITY Possible savings in nett foreign exchange outflow More employment opportunities for the people as focus shifts from products to services. Providing "level playing field" to all vendors Reducing governance and leveraging purchase power of the Government Promotion of Free and Open Source software The same priority should be there for private sector as well. HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Promoting Linux : Govt and Education, Demo needed
by jitendra 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

I have been in touch with the Mah Government authorities and have found many takers for good ideas , particularly Linux since it is free. However , since I am new to the Linux community, I have not been able to gather the demo capability. I am trying thru a small setup in Powai. I am ready to arrange the demo , even use some BE grad students to work , if someone can help in the following or tell me how exactly to go about it What is urgently needed is 1> OS level : Tiny linux : apparently specifically designed to work on old (even 386) machines. Even if it works on P-I or similar there is good scope to convince schools and Govt to consider adopting. 2> Applications level : If only unicode/ISO standard based editors can be demonstrated with GUI . Similarly spreadsheets. 3> Content level: a> School Educational The government hs come out with a Teachers manual (about 50 pages) which I have a copy of , for the 9th and 10th standard IT course. The manual is shabby by all standards. But the content can be made far better if we adapt the content to Linux based stuff. It contains wordprocessor, Basic language and some smattering of 'internet'. It is in english. The alternative would be a CD based, multimedia rich and video-intensive Cd making teacher feel absolutelly comfortable. It need not be very polished or commercial quality video. b> Governance: some application that can help the rural folks to prepare village population data base and use the same for filling typical forms like birth-certificate, death certificate,request for land-records like 7/12 extract etc. There are about 94 forms that the govt would be keen that people give electronically. Dont presume everyone in the authority will be warm to such happenings. But it is feasible. c> Watershed and mapping: There is a great need for a small-time GIS facilty. We know how severe the water shortage is. At the same time it is known that only 4% of land consumes 70% of irrigation facilities created by dams. Half of nations dams are in maharashtra. The limit is someone (PK Patil ) has the temerity to suggest using sugarcane for cars as alcohol hich will cause further skew use of water and greater shortage of drinking water and thus a greater driving of resources from rural folks to urban folks.The facts , if on maps can be so stunning that such arguments will not be advanced. For that map-making must reach every school and every desktop. Can we localise GRASS or MyWorld(from Northwestern University) . It is only sad that institutions like IITs which have built a lot of software on Public money are unwilling to make their software 'freely' available . I hope some people will respond to this. I have simultaneously taken up a localisation project . It is an humble beginning. ( Refer Loksatta -Arthvrittant of 18 and 25 March for more details) Watch the site sourceforge.net/projects/gnuindia Jitendra

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FUD Against Proprietary software
by abhijeet 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Hi, This is in light of the current discussion to promote Gnu/Linux/Free Software in India. Microsoft uses the FUD..The Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt propoganda to suppress any form of free software. What we could do here is to spread FUD about illegally using proprietary software. How? Many users don't even know that they are doing something seriously illegal when they use proprietary software without a license. They need to be educated about this, maybe by setting up a few examples. When that happens I believe that users would think twice before choosing software that they are expected to pay for. And suddenly free software would be *the thing*. People knowing about it would be in demand. My point is that by enforcing license rules more stringently (which can be done at the government level) free software would have a lot to gain and we as people using free software should back people trying to enforce license policing. Not only that, I believe we should encourage(help?) them. This way there would be Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt in the mind of a prospective(illegal) user of proprietary software and we will have used M$'s stategy against them in the interest of our community. What say guys? Do you see the point? Though this may sound rather inflammatory, I believe it is important and the time has come that we take a step of the sort. We can make a start, by lets say not co-operating with people using proprietary software. We can talk about making a legal choice and asking people to either pay for a licensed copy of proprietary software or using free software (which would be legal). What that means is that if you own a copy of , lets say M$ Windoze, refuse to share it. And ofcourse if you can, However, I haven't been able to put this point in a manner that would be more conducive to a body like the government and I'm expecting someone on this list will, though it is rather late. It is important that the government see it this way. We can only spread the FUD.The government can enforce it. I hope people on the list see my point ciao abhijeet

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Promoting Linux
by RNS 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Hi group, Trevor good work , but as Keyur said , try not to defame MS ( though they deserve to ) , remember who your audience are ( Somewhere u mentioned M$crosoft-please remove it). Moreover, few stuffs which ppl think makes win score over gnu-linux (atleast on thier desktop ) is user- friendlyness, though this hurdle has been tackled to large extend- ppl dont realize it. I think that has to b stressed more , along with linux strong points like security and upgradibility. Other stuffs seems to b fine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] invoking windows programs from linux server
by Amol Hatwar 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

>i have a situation where on a linux server i m running >a middleware system which is to invoke a COBOL >application on a windows 2000 server on the same >network. same network??? >how can i do it ? RMI ? or some listening application >needs to be installed on the win2K m/c that will >listen to linux servers request to run a program ? thats one possible way... but its too bad.. what language are u doing ur middle ware in? If you are using JAVA which I assume u must be using... try doing Native Methods and use a C wrapper for ur application... lengthy route... but you get a tight system. Regards, Rolla.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (no subject)
by Amol Hatwar 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 SP wrote : >I am using 7.2 with XFS. >The GNOME login screen does not allow root login. >I need to login as any other user and then always "su" >to root. >Any help on this please. > >--SP I'd recommend 7.2 only on a P4... The problem is unuasual... I couldn't even replicate it.. :P. SP next time please give your mail a subject. Regards, Rolla.

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Promoting Linux In India
by Parimal B. Shah 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

I don't seem to fathom the fixation of comparing Desktops? To put it very simply Desktops are for personal users! In govt / educations / business uses the stress should be on purpose built applications. There is no need for fancy desktops! MS is a PERSONAL COMPUTER user (CONSUMER) oriented product. I have seen friends and colleagues buying upgrading their pcs just so that they can talk about it with your friends / colleagues who have just got it. Its like your wife demanding a fully loaded BMW to drop the child to the school just because your neighbour does it in her fully loaded MERC!! It the MO thing, MO GRAPHICS, MO MULTIMEDIA, MO MONEY ....... I bet 90% of the users don't use 90% of its features. Specially in case of India S/w for govt / education / etc it should be no - nonsense, no frills attached, lean and trim and think Linux fits the bill. Parimal Shah -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: 16 April 2002 07:31 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #451 - 10 msgs Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in You can reach the person managing the list at linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Promoting Linux (Philip S Tellis) 2. qmail book (Girish Hanchate) 3. Re: Promoting Linux (nici bhatt) 4. Re: qmail book (ranjeet(a)nttindia.com) 5. Re: qmail book (Parag Mehta) 6. Promoting Linux (RNS) 7. Re: Promoting Linux (Keyur Shroff) 8. Promoting Linux (Darshan.Wakchaure(a)lntinfotech.com) 9. Re: Promoting Linux......a la carte (Trevor Warren) 10. Re: Promoting Linux (Philip S Tellis) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:07:28 +0530 (IST) From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Keyur Shroff wrote: > "Linux India Initiatives" > > Information may kindly be furnised under the following heads : > 1. Linux - The need; > 2. Demand profile segments - such as Home, Education, Research, Govt, > Defence, Business, Embedded systems etc. India is a developing country, and as such, we should look to finding low cost solutions while not compromising on quality. While our software industry has been successful world-wide in providing solutions for business consumers, software as a product remains too costly within our own country. We must also realise that much of the software in use within our country comes from outside. This in turn translates to a large sum of Indian Rupees flowing into foreign companies. Most proprietary software comes with a licence agreement that restricts the redistribution of the software. Persons who do redistribute the software, in violation of the licence, are labelled as software pirates. While it is accpeted that software piracy is a problem and must be curtailed, it is also possible that we aren't striking at the cause of the problem. What most software consumers fail to realise, is that software is not a product that one buys off the shelf like a tube of toothpaste. The reproduction costs of software are negligible and there are no raw materials involved. The software industry is therefore falls into the services sector rather than the manufacturing sector. More time is spent in providing support for software than is spent in developing it. Once this is understood, it becomes clear that the software itself should not be priced highly, but after sales service and support should be charged for. This is where the GNU/Linux system fits in. The licencing terms of this system state clearly that anyone has the right to obtain and redistribute copies of the system. The software is provided free of cost. This immediately affects the business of software pirates, as there is no way for them to sell at a lower price that which is already free. Further more, it translates into greater cost effectiveness for the consumer. There then arises the question of support and services, which is what this sector is all about. As mentioned earlier, software falls in the services sector, and therefore, the primary business for linux vendors is in providing services. This is one area in which India can play a big role, and provide these services to the rest of the world. As consumers too, one must realise the difference between support contracts for proprietary software and free software. Proprietary support agreements give you support only for the systems that you have purchased support for. In other words, if you own ten systems, but only have licences for five of them, you will get support for those five only. With free software, this is not the case. Any software contract that you sign with your vendor is independent of the number of copies of the software that you own. Most vendors will most likely just require that the distribution that you use was one published by them. There are several segments in which linux can play a major role, and is ready to do so at present. Linux and other free Unixen like *BSD have been very popular as servers. These systems are robust and have average uptimes that run into years. Add to this the ability of linux to emulate legacy file servers like Windows NT and Novell Netware (using samba and mars-nwe), and you have a system that can do well to replace any server running these systems. Businesses could do well to adopt it if only on the server side. The reduction in costs would be tremendous, and uptime would increase. One also needs to consider that a well set up linux system needs almost no system administration or maintenance. When considering client side applications of linux, we would need to divide the business sector into those that develop software, and those that use it. Software developers may need to use systems for which they develop, ie, someone developing for Windows would have to test his software on Windows. For persons who simply use software, it is much easier to use a linux based system. All software needed can be installed centrally, with client machines acting as simple X displays. This can significantly reduce the hardware requirements of the company, while also ensuring that a sysadmin needs to maintain only a single machine rather than the fifty machines that the company has. Most office productivity tools are available for linux. Word processors, spread sheets, and presentation utilities exist with several variants avaialable depending on your preferences. Legacy applications written for DOS or Windows can be run in emulated environments like dosemu or Wine. For research institutes, the main appeal of linux would have to be the large community that uses it and the spirit of sharing ideas between groups. In many ways, the development of the GNU/Linux system has proceeded in much the same way as science has progressed over the last two centuries. There is open collaboration between groups at distant locations with everyone benefitting. With large numbers of universities around the world using some variant of unix or linux as their base systems, persons in India could benefit from the existing knowledge and experiences of these. This large community of scientific users has resulted in a plethora of software written specifically to aid in research, and built to run on linux based systems. Educational institutes, at least those running courses on engineering and computers benefit for the same reasons. Additionally, students of computer science and engineering benefit from having the source code of a working operating system to look at and experiment with. Regardless of the field of computer science that they specialise in, having access to the source code for the tools they use and possibly try to develop will help them eventually. Another place where educational institutes can benefit is from the ready availability of projects that can be given to students as classroom assignments or semester projects. By working on an existing project, possibly collaborating with other developers around the world, the student gets a good idea of what it is like to work in a team and develop quality software, rather than writing the same old ten line assignments every year. Building a working software that is actually used by people, and then providing support to them builds in the student a sense of achievement and responsibility. This can only work towards producing a much more capable work force graduating from college every year. School education can also benefit from the use of linux. Cost reduction would be the primary reason. Schools would however benefit from the large amount of educational software available for linux. Students of higher classes can even be recruited to write software for students of lower classes. Computers are already taught in school at all levels, but what is taught leaves a lot to be desired. At present students learn to use specific software, as a result of which, they are none the wiser when confronted with a new system. Giving students some variety in what they learn, or even allowing them to learn how to get the job done rather than how to use a tool would leave them better off later in life. There is of course a lot more that I could write about this topic, but right now my eyes are closing and I can't stay focussed any longer. Will try and write something about why developers benefit from developing for free software. Ciao, Philip -- When we write programs that "learn", it turns out we do and they don't. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Girish Hanchate <girishhan(a)yahoo.com> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] qmail book Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi, can anybody suggest same good book on qmail on linux or any informative sites on qmail. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "nici bhatt" <nici_bom(a)hotmail.com> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:51:30 +0000 Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi It is really good to know that out government is willing to promote linux , it will be really good idea to push this at extreme level so no doubt can cause this idea a premature death. Here I have some points to raise my voice for, and they are as we should not make any point which make this operating system is nice for email,firewall and proxy...etc. specific as I have seen lots of people use linux for this purpose so my request to all of you is dont try to prove that by doing this we can save lots of money because we know that this true but on other side you are doing injustice to all open source developers who have put their efforts for porting other application and this full scal os limits to one corner. So moral of story please come out of this mind frame that this is all linux can do. There are lot many things that can be done. So keep vary general attitude and try to justify it commercially as well as technical aspect of the operating system, I mean limitation of other operating system, commercial and technical comparison chart and availability. I will defiantly like to write some article on this issue but that will take some time so till then you people can contribute lots . Happy usage of linux. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ranjeet(a)nttindia.com To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:11:26 GMT Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: qmail book Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi girish. http://www.qmail.org/ http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ our trevor's SITE : (works very well) http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com/ now before posting always make sure that u have checked the LIST archives, www.google.com/linux. Don't just get spoonfeeded by others ..... they will like it if u do some part on ur own and come up with the difficulties while installing/configure/tweaking or something like it ..... if I'm wrong, please correct me luggers.. Regards, Ranjeet Girish Hanchate writes: > Hi, > > can anybody suggest same good book on qmail on linux > or any informative sites on qmail. > > Rgds > girish > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Parag Mehta" <pm(a)linuxindia.org> To: "linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:29:01 +0550 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] qmail book Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi Girish, lifewithqmail.org or book on qmail from sams publichers very good book.. best regards, pmehta On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Girish Hanchate wrote: >Hi, > >can anybody suggest same good book on qmail on linux >or any informative sites on qmail. > >Rgds >girish > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:35:55 +0530 (IST) From: RNS <shastrakar(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi group, Trevor good work , but as Keyur said , try not to defame MS ( though they deserve to ) , remember who your audience are ( Somewhere u mentioned M$crosoft-please remove it). Moreover, few stuffs which ppl think makes win score over gnu-linux (atleast on thier desktop ) is user- friendlyness, though this hurdle has been tackled to large extend- ppl dont realize it. I think that has to b stressed more , along with linux strong points like security and upgradibility. Other stuffs seems to b fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:21:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hi Guys, Thanks for your valuable inputs. I have just sent them mail requesting them to give us one more day to send final draft. So tomorrow I'll reorganize contents given by many of you and then send it. By that time if you still want to add something please send your mails by tomorrow before 1 PM. Thanks, Keyur --__--__-- Message: 8 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux From: Darshan.Wakchaure(a)lntinfotech.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:14:30 +0530 Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000EE73665256B9C_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, A little more from my side too. Linux is/should be treated just like anyother Desktop OS. Like Unix and Windows , Linux can be made as a server with much more flexible environment . At the same time this OS has more more power as a Desktop OS as compared to any other operating system in the market. The strength lies in understanding and working with the utilities provided by the open source community. These are simple marvellous. Also the graphics resolution on the desktop of this os is far better than Windows. Linux gives the feel of Unix and the easy of Windows- a perfect os. Cheers, Darshan The trouble with life is, you're half way through it before you realize it's a "do it yourself" thing. =========================== _\ /_ mail-me-at : darshanw(a)blackcodemail.com / \ =========================== --=_alternative 000EE73665256B9C_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi, A little more from my side too. Linux is/should be treated just like anyother Desktop OS. Like Unix and Windows , Linux can be made as a server with much more flexible environment . At the same time this OS has more more power as a Desktop OS as compared to any other operating system in the market. The strength lies in understanding and working with the utilities provided by the open source community. These are simple marvellous.  Also the graphics resolution on the desktop of  this os is far better than Windows. Linux gives the feel of Unix and the easy of Windows- a perfect os. Cheers, Darshan The trouble with life is, you're half way through it before you realize it's a "do it yourself" thing. =========================== _\ /_    mail-me-at : darshanw(a)blackcodemail.com   / \ =========================== --=_alternative 000EE73665256B9C_=-- --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux......a la carte To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in --- Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> wrote: > From: Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Many many thanks Mr Trevor Warren. You have >nicely [snip] hello there Mr. Keyur, Trevor here......... U can just say sir, i am just doin my bit for the community that has given me somethin that i live for and i am proud to be part of. I think Philip has put forward some very good points wich you could make incorporate in ur presentation abt Linux advocacy. If there is anyway i may help to push Free Software usage in our upcoming policies of E-governance .........just mail me nd let me know. Attack will b the buzz word...;) Trevor Warren > put your > thoughts. It seems to me that not many people on > this list are > really interested in promoting Linux. Or that they > have not taken this > very seriously. Or they don't have much faith in our > Government. > Thanks and regards, > Keyur ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com \ (/ | |_|_ \ Urgent ->9820349221(a)maxtouch.co.in / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:46:14 +0530 (IST) From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sometime Today, Trevor Warren assembled some asciibets to say: > Open source software is different from traditional software in that > it holds no secrets -- the software's 'source code' is free for the > end user to examine, modify, or build on. With traditional Not true. Open source simply gives you access to the source code. It makes no provision for the modification or redistribution of that code. Free software gives you that freedom. > The Internet itself is Open Source Software's poster child, since > it was constructed of components built almost exclusively under the > Open Source model. Many, in fact, have likened Linux today to the > Internet in 1990 (used only by the technically savvy, seeing yearly > exponential growth, completely open, and perhaps poised to take over > the world). The seeds for the Internet were sown in 1969. It grew as a large experiment and yes, was used by geeks and scientists only. > Open Source is doing what God, government, and market have failed to > do. It is putting powerful technology within the reach of cash-poor Well, not what God, or government have failed to do. It's just that corporates have tried to stop it forever. The concept of free software has been around as long as there have been programmers. Proprietary software is only about 30 years old. Philip --__--__-- _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers End of Linuxers Digest

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(no subject)
by SP 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

I am using 7.2 with XFS. The GNOME login screen does not allow root login. I need to login as any other user and then always "su" to root. Any help on this please. --SP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Promoting Linux In India
by Parimal B. Shah 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

I don't seem to fathom the fixation of comparing Desktops? To put it very simply Desktops are for personal users! In govt / educations / business uses the stress should be on purpose built applications. There is no need for fancy desktops! MS is a PERSONAL COMPUTER user (CONSUMER) oriented product. I have seen friends and colleagues buying upgrading their pcs just so that they can talk about it with your friends / colleagues who have just got it. Its like your wife demanding a fully loaded BMW to drop the child to the school just because your neighbour does it in her fully loaded MERC!! It the MO thing, MO GRAPHICS, MO MULTIMEDIA, MO MONEY ....... I bet 90% of the users don't use 90% of its features. Specially in case of India S/w for govt / education / etc it should be no - nonsense, no frills attached, lean and trim and think Linux fits the bill. Parimal Shah

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux......a la carte
by Trevor Warren 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

--- Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> wrote: > From: Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Many many thanks Mr Trevor Warren. You have >nicely [snip] hello there Mr. Keyur, Trevor here......... U can just say sir, i am just doin my bit for the community that has given me somethin that i live for and i am proud to be part of. I think Philip has put forward some very good points wich you could make incorporate in ur presentation abt Linux advocacy. If there is anyway i may help to push Free Software usage in our upcoming policies of E-governance .........just mail me nd let me know. Attack will b the buzz word...;) Trevor Warren > put your > thoughts. It seems to me that not many people on > this list are > really interested in promoting Linux. Or that they > have not taken this > very seriously. Or they don't have much faith in our > Government. > Thanks and regards, > Keyur ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com \ (/ | |_|_ \ Urgent ->9820349221(a)maxtouch.co.in / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Promoting Linux
by Darshan.Wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hi, A little more from my side too. Linux is/should be treated just like anyother Desktop OS. Like Unix and Windows , Linux can be made as a server with much more flexible environment . At the same time this OS has more more power as a Desktop OS as compared to any other operating system in the market. The strength lies in understanding and working with the utilities provided by the open source community. These are simple marvellous. Also the graphics resolution on the desktop of this os is far better than Windows. Linux gives the feel of Unix and the easy of Windows- a perfect os. Cheers, Darshan The trouble with life is, you're half way through it before you realize it's a "do it yourself" thing. =========================== _\ /_ mail-me-at : darshanw(a)blackcodemail.com / \ ===========================

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qmail book
by Girish Hanchate 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hi, can anybody suggest same good book on qmail on linux or any informative sites on qmail. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by nici bhatt 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hi It is really good to know that out government is willing to promote linux , it will be really good idea to push this at extreme level so no doubt can cause this idea a premature death. Here I have some points to raise my voice for, and they are as we should not make any point which make this operating system is nice for email,firewall and proxy...etc. specific as I have seen lots of people use linux for this purpose so my request to all of you is dont try to prove that by doing this we can save lots of money because we know that this true but on other side you are doing injustice to all open source developers who have put their efforts for porting other application and this full scal os limits to one corner. So moral of story please come out of this mind frame that this is all linux can do. There are lot many things that can be done. So keep vary general attitude and try to justify it commercially as well as technical aspect of the operating system, I mean limitation of other operating system, commercial and technical comparison chart and availability. I will defiantly like to write some article on this issue but that will take some time so till then you people can contribute lots . Happy usage of linux. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by Suryaprakash Kompalli 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hey Keyur - This is my 2pence - (subject to critical review of the grp :)) Im sorry for the late reply, though, man - Under the heading Demand profile segments - Education - Competent training in the academia demands the availability of wide range of resources. These resources need to be in the form of example source code, Workable Systems, whose internals can be studied. As an example, Many US universities, have switched from Unix based classes in Operating Systems to Linux and GNU - Based OS, because of the free availability of source code and the opportunity for students to experiment with a reconfigurable system. Students in many Indian universities and colleges too are demanding the prescence of such reconfigurable labs in their premises. If there is official coursework that enables them to use such resources, it would be a great help. Linux and GNU - Software provides to the academia an excellent platform to test their skills, learn and apply them to real-time situations. The usage of GNU - based software in scientific fields like Supercomputing, Image Processing, AI, and other related fileds is already very widespread - it only to be identified. Most of the toolboxes developed by US university labs (and other universities too) includes OSC s/w. Support for OSC is not just in the form of company-based support as in proprietory s/w like windows. Due to the OSC nature of the s/w resources, A large number of user and help groups are available online. This takes education out of the classroom - Making knowledge widely available and affordable. Usage of Linux in the academia is not something that needs numbers to prove itself. It is pure common sense - The academia needs the most information and knowledge it can get - and OSC provides at every student the support, help and encouragement of thousands of OSC programmers all over the world. Need we say more? Hey yes - forgot to add - Lets see a non-OSC s/w do its' thing like OSC s/w does on a REALLY old machine - OSC software exists that can run on very basic systems - Very cheap systems could be of great use to educational organizations. This will enable even wider reach of resources at a lower cost. Action Plan - Introduce Linux and OSC based s/w as a defacto standard in Indian educational institutes. Developing coursework that encourages students to use such systems, and more importantly, learn how such systems are different from non-OSC systems. Encourage the use and development of re-distributable toolboxes among research organizations. Enjoy!!!! Bye, SP On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Keyur Shroff wrote: > Hi Friends, > > A good news is that our central government is also taking deep > interest in promoting Linux in all area. Government wants various > agencies to give some feedback on the information related to > Linux. They have sent a draft to NCST also. > > I think this mailing list is the best place where I can post the > questions and get answers so that I can forward the information to our > government. Please give as much input as you can. > > I am directing the revised information/feedback format on "Linux > India Initiatives" for your kind consideration and input. The format > is as follows : > > "Linux India Initiatives" > > Information may kindly be furnised under the following heads : > 1. Linux - The need; > 2. Demand profile segments - such as Home, Education, Research, Govt, > Defence, Business, Embedded systems etc. > 3. Present scenario (International) vs competing products > 4. Issues to resolve : > (i) Indian Language Support > (ii) Security > (iii) Awareness/education > (iv) Certification > (v) Standardisation > (vi) Service Model vs product model > (vii) Identification of minimal set of application > 5. Transition strategy - Unix to Linux, legacy port > 6. Consortium for linux based collaborative Development? > The Li18nux, OSDL, LSB...? > 7. Action Plan > > Kindly send your views/comments as soon as possible. > > Thanks, > Keyur > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > __ __ |__ |__| |/ __|urya |rakash |\ompalli Email - kompalli(a)cse.buffalo.edu Finger - kompalli(a)cse.buffalo.edu Phone - Home - (716) 862 0366 (67,Lisbon Ave,BUF) - Work - (716) 645 6164 X 519 (CEDAR, UB Commons) Website - http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~kompalli

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIP] Getting the yahoo protocol - updat
by Tahir Hashmi 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

http://sprint.bantu.com This is an applet based messenger that works with Yahoo! --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: VPN with two invalid IPs
by nici bhatt 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

hi please give us more info as even client side also you will require nating or public IP address so can you elaborate your case. as this is possible vpn with nating will work fine, If you are not using new kernel then you have to have port forwarding mechanisam other wise this will not work through nating. so please give more details about your network. nici >From: Devdas Bhagat <dodobh(a)nettaxi.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: VPN with two invalid IPs >Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:49:36 +0600 > >+++ Amish Mehta [01/04/02 17:46 +0530]: > > Hi, > > > > I want to connect my home and office computers(atleast share files, > > full TCP/IP would be best). But the problem is both computers > > have invalid IPs 172.16.x.x and I do not have control over gateways to >The invalid IP range will not be a problem. Just ensure that they are in >different subnets. >At least one of the systems will need a static IP address. >Run the VPN server on this system. The other system will act as a client. > > > setup VPN(one on in2 cable network, other on star cable network). I > > can keep both computers on 24 hrs, having access to internet via > > their local gateways. But I do not know how they will find each other. >One of them needs a static IP address, > > > Currently I manually email and download files but is there a way I > > can actually FTP to and fro? >I would recommend scp actually, but you need the VPN first. > >Devdas Bhagat >-- >People are very flexible and learn to adjust to strange >surroundings -- they can become accustomed to read Lisp and >Fortran programs, for example. >- Leon Sterling and Ehud Shapiro, Art of Prolog, MIT Press >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CyberRoam Linux Client
by Amish Mehta 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi, Can you give us the official link? Or you managed to get it from your cablewala? Thanks. Amish. Trevor Warren wrote: >--> Luggers..this is the CyberRoam software that has > http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com/rel/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: VPN with two invalid IPs
by Amish Mehta 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Devdas Bhagat wrote: > >+++ Amish Mehta [01/04/02 17:46 +0530]: >> Hi, >> >> I want to connect my home and office computers(atleast share files, >> full TCP/IP would be best). But the problem is both computers >> have invalid IPs 172.16.x.x and I do not have control over gateways to >The invalid IP range will not be a problem. Just ensure that they are in >different subnets. >At least one of the systems will need a static IP address. >Run the VPN server on this system. The other system will act as a client. Yes IPs are static but NOT valid. I think you mean valid and not static. Btw I dont think different subnet is required as far as I can route IP packets to VPN interface. The problem is I dont have control over gateways(who masquerade my packets) so I cannot setup simple forwarding to VPN. Amish.

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Re: [gtkyahoo-devel] Re: [LIP] Getting the yahoo protocol - updates and request for help
by Philip S Tellis 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Sometime on Apr 12, Jeremy Zawodny assembled some asciibets to say: > You can try crashing mine ('jzawodn'). I should have debug version of > the official client that will help out here. Well, I can't do that because I can't login anymore - YPSN2 isn't supported. -- It's hard to drive at the limit, but it's harder to know where the limits are. -- Stirling Moss

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Re[3]: [ILUG-BOM] Yahoo off again
by Vinay Pai 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

>> However, it can be immune to a passive attack, i.e. simply listening >> to communications go back and forth. To break it one would need to >> reverse-engineer the Yahoo program. > > Not necessarily. Just a thought - the libcrypto library being used is > free software, so why not just restrict our tracing to what goes into > and what comes out of MD5_* functions. That should give us a fair idea > of how the hash is being generated. I've done a preliminary analysis, > and judging by the number of calls to MD5_Update, I'm guessing that this > is almost identical to how pam generates passwords. What's the > probability that yahoo would use the same tried and tested algorithm > rather than develop their own? Hmm.. if they're using libcrypto then I suppose it should be possible to trace it and break the protocol... basically catch the stuff before it gets hashed! Could you send me details of your analysis? Since Yahoo's been deliberately trying to kill clones, I'd assumed they'd used some kinda statically linked crypto functions... something fairly trivial to do.

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Getting the yahoo protocol - updates and request for help
by Philip S Tellis 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

Ok, for those who've been following the thread, here's an update from my side. NOTE: Throughout this explanation, ctx, ctx1, ctx2, ctx3 ... are md5 contexts, final and final2 are md5 data arrays (unsigned char[16]) the same variable name refers to the same variable always ie, scope of variables is this mail. 1. Yahoo uses the exact same algorithm as pam does to generate MD5 passwords. You can get the source for this from the pam package. Look in modules/pam_unix/md5_crypt.c:MD5Name(crypt_md5)() There is only one minor change that does not affect the outcome of the code, and that is the calls to MD5_Update with ctx1 happen before the calls to MD5_Update with ctx (if you see the code, it'll make more sense, or I can explain then). 2. There are four more calls to the MD5 library. The first does this: MD5_Init(&ctx2); MD5_Update(&ctx2, passwd, strlen(passwd)); MD5_Final(final2, &ctx2); MD5_Init(&ctx3); MD5_Update(&ctx3, str, strlen(str)); MD5_Final(final2, &ctx3); str is obtained by appending/prepending something to the username. That something is 49 bytes in length. The last two calls are: MD5_Init(&ctx4); MD5_Update(&ctx4, str2, strlen(str2)); MD5_Final(final2, &ctx4); MD5_Init(&ctx5); MD5_Update(&ctx5, str3, strlen(str3)); MD5_Final(final2, &ctx5); str3 is also derived from the username, again with a 49 byte string appended/prepended to it. str2 seems to be 34 characters in length always. This data was obtained through statistical analysis of function calls. We still haven't determined what the actual contents of str, str2, str3 or the salt are. Once we have this, I believe we will have cracked it completely. If anyone wants to figure it out, you have to somehow get the data that's being passed to MD5_Update. The first call is the password, the second call is with str. You need to figure out how str is derived. The next three calls are password, magic ($1$ I think), salt (8 chars). The next three are password, salt, password. Try and figure out how salt is derived, and if magic is different from $1$, what is it? Is it constant across calls? Then, look at the last two calls to MD5_Update - calls number 3536 and 3537. No 3536 seems to be constant, but someone will have to confirm this. No 3537 is derived from the username. Figure out how. Philip -- Spock: We suffered 23 casualties in that attack, Captain.

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Re[2]: [ILUG-BOM] Yahoo off again
by Vinay Pai 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

Hi, > What do you think we're trying to do? The official yahoo client uses an > MD5 Challenge/Response pair that is near impossible to crack. I don't know anything about the Yahoo protocol etc. But speaking from a purely cryptographic stand point, this protocol necessarily has to be crackable. In the absence of an external key (i.e. one entered by the user) there is no way to prevent one program from imitating another. However, it can be immune to a passive attack, i.e. simply listening to communications go back and forth. To break it one would need to reverse-engineer the Yahoo program. > If you can, please help. If it is legal to do it, I can try to disassemble and reverse-engineer the Yahoo protocol. > Get a packet sniffer (I think you already have one), tcpdump? > and start working on the authentication part. Look for tcp connects on > port 5050 from your machine with the PUSH flag set to 1. Regards, Vinay <vinay(a)vinaypai.com>

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[Fwd: GNU/Linux Indianization]
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Dr Deepak B Phatak <dbp(a)it.iitb.ac.in> To: all(a)it.iitb.ac.in, faculty(a)cse.iitb.ac.in Subject: GNU/Linux Indianization Date: 06 Apr 2002 02:08:36 +0530 Dear ALL With regard to this important topic, an event is being organized in KReSIT on 9th April. I have given the details in the enclosed write up. Those of you interested in this work are most welcome. Equally important is to ensure that enthusiastic students interested in this area should also participate. But I have no direct way to reach them in this short time. Could I therefore request you to forward this mail to students of your department. Also, I would like to request LUG member(s) from KReSIT to advertise this event amongst the GNU/Linux community. Thanks - dbp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Currently, there is a lack of a good software system which can handle Indian languages. There are a few Multi-lingual office productivity tools. But this is far from the full range of tools that make a computer useful. Till now, work in this field has involved disparate groups, working in isolation, developing closed products. These products have not gained popularity, and lack inter-operability. Since most of the products developed today are closed source, we cannot modify them to support all the functionality required by computers to work comfortably in and with Indian Languages. We believe that the solution lies in Free Software, like GNU/Linux, which can be customized to support Indian languages. Free Software has the advantage of outliving any one team of developers, and of collaborative development, where people build on each other's strengths to arrive at a superior product. This effort will gift us with our own operating system, capable of dealing with Indian languages, and guarantee our freedom of use. >From various discussions with Dr Mudur, I have come to realize that Indian languages are immensely difficult to represent on computers, since they are phonetic, and not linear (like English). Yet, it is widely believed that the problem is not of a technical nature but a project management failure. There is enough talent in India to give us an Indian Language UNIX, one which can finally take computing to the masses. To initiate some concerted action in this direction, the School of IT proposes to organize a short talk (as per schedule below) followed by a discussion. The talk will cover the basic issues in localization, and what is the current status of Indianization in GNU/Linux. We also plan to collect details and status of as many efforts as can be culled out from the audience. This, of course, would be an on going process. Venue: 3rd floor classroom, KReSIT, IIT Bombay. Day and Date: Tuesday, 9th April Time: 16:00 Hrs. ALL INTERESTED, irrespective of department and Institutional affiliations are most welcome to participate. To permit effective handling of logistics concerning tea and snacks, I request to send an email with subject "will attend on 9th" (message text may be just blank) to any one of the following: sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in vikram(a)mayin.org dbp(a)it.iitb.ac.in Thanks - Deepak ---------------------------------------------- Dr. Deepak B Phatak Subrao Nilekani Chair & Head Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology Indian Institute of Technology Bombay Mumbai 400 076, India Phone: (Off) +91 22 5767900/01/02 (Res) +91 22 5768747, 5724611 Fax: +91 22 5720022, 5723480 email: dbp(a)it.iitb.ac.in ---------------------------------------------- -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, Hostel 2, Room 76 KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. Internal: 5602 Phone: 5767901 extn 5787 External: 5720023, 5721006 or 5722545 extn 5787 5720064 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Compare thinking about doing nothing and actually doing nothing; they are distinct enterprises. -- Philip Wadler -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #444 - 14 msgs
by gurjit dhillon 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

thanks ranjeet, actually i am using vpop3d with sendmail not with qmail, i am trying to solve this with sendmail only gurjit >Hi gurjit. > >Assuming foo.com is your domain for which you want to create a >catchall >account .... > > >Create a file as .qmail-default file in your foo.com's mail >directory. >(i'm using vpopmail and my directory structure is like >/home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/ ) > > -rw------- 1 vpopmail vchkpw 93 Mar 20 23:23 >.qmail-default > >it will have content like >#cat .qmail-default >| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdeliverymail '' >/home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/bar > > >bar is the default directory(account) in the same foo.com. >or else u can also use email id in the same file as > >&bar(a)foo.com > > >Regards, >Ranjeet > >PS: Also you need to make sure before posting query to give your >config >details. > > > > > > > >gurjit dhillon writes: > > > > > dear sir, > > > > can any one tell me how to configure catchall account in >vpop3d pop > > serever. > > > > else every thing is working fine, but my catchall a/c is not >working, it > > says unkonown users and bounce back. > > > > thanks in advance > > > > waiting for reply > > > > gurjit >

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Yahoo off again
by Philip S Tellis 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

It seems that yahoo has figured out whatever we've been trying to log in and have disabled those methods as well. If anyone knows of any client that can still log in, please tell me. Philip -- The bugs you have to avoid are the ones that give the user not only the inclination to get on a plane, but also the time. -- Kay Bostic

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FORTRAN 90 on Linux
by Desai Ashish 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

Dear Luggers, I m a Student and wanna 2 use Fortran 90 compiler on Linux. At the time of installation i've seen that its also including Fortran 90's compiler. But my problem is that I don't know the steps by which I can be able to write Fortran codes and get it compiled on Linux machine. So, can ne body help me out.....?????? Thanx in advance. Regards, [Ashish Desai] ===== [Ashish Desai] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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help require in vpop3d
by gurjit dhillon 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

dear sir, can any one tell me how to configure catchall account in vpop3d pop serever. else every thing is working fine, but my catchall a/c is not working, it says unkonown users and bounce back. thanks in advance waiting for reply gurjit

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [LIH] Yahoo off again
by Amish Mehta 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Ok. I will try. I have done some work in past on MD5 authentication algorithm used by Outlook Express for Hotmail. Where do I find your archives?, I mean can you give me start page for Linux India Help as I am not a member of that list. Thanks. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >What do you think we're trying to do? The official yahoo client uses an >MD5 Challenge/Response pair that is near impossible to crack. If you >can, please help. Get a packet sniffer (I think you already have one), >and start working on the authentication part. Look for tcp connects on >port 5050 from your machine with the PUSH flag set to 1.

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Re: [LIH] Yahoo off again
by Amish Mehta 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Cant libyahoo, gtkyahoo imitate the yahoo's official client? Then there would be no way yahoo can switch things around because there own client would not work then. Anyway I dont have any idea about how libyahoo and gtkyahoo works but thats what I think should be. Btw, isnt yahoo's official client good enough? I think it is almost same as windows yahoo client except no 'chat' feature is available. Amish. P.S. what is LIH in subject line? mallet(a)efn.org (Suresh Ramasubramanian) wrote: >It is quite likely that, if instructed by yahoo to do so, they will find >it pretty trivial to "figure out" what you are doing and switch things >around. I think they figure "do this often enough and wait for the open >source IM clients to get tired of it" :)

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Commercial - Vacancies for post of Customer Support Executive
by Prashant M 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Dear Linux Users, We( Logix Consultancy Group P ltd.)are a software solution provider based in Mumbai.We offer our customers Professional Services on linux like o Mail Server, Proxy Server & Firewall deployment on Linux Technologies We also have our own dedicated server at reliance data center through which we offer o SMTP mail Services o Application server (mail, database or custom apps hosting) o Web server o FTP Services o Chat & Messaging services We are looking for Linux Professional well-versed with sendmail or qmail or postfix and squid proxy for the post of Customer support executive. If interested kindly meet in person immediately. Yours Faithfully, For Logix Consultancy Group P Ltd. Prashant Mudbidri LOGIX CONSULTANCY GROUP P LTD. 01,Ashoka Complex, Ranade Road Dadar (W), Mumbai - 400 028 Tel: 4330106 / 4366591 / 4211860 / 4376857 Email : prashant(a)lcgindia.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dsl or cable
by Amish Mehta 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

I think 16K = 16 kilobytes(what browsers show) and 128K = 128 kilobits(your allocated speed). So dont worry, you are getting a perfect speed as 16*8=128. :-) Amish. Prakash Shetty wrote: >Well i get an average of 16K on this line ... mine is a so called 128K

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] More mounting problems
by Tahir Hashmi 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Specify the filesystem as vfat in /etc/fstab. AFAIK, Linuxconf is broken. On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:42:26 Bhargav Bhatt wrote: >Hi all, >I tried making my linux kernel mount my FAT32 windows partition at >startup by making an entry into /etc/fstab using linuxconf > [Snip] --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [offtopic] Books for Sale !
by akshaysalkar 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

i guess phillip tellis doesnt understand english. or he cant read whats written. it clearly states ' 20-22% off normal price ' ie. the original book price. -- linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Sometime Today, akshaysalkar assembled some asciibets to say: > Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate > (ie.20%-22%off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some Just for the record, all computer books sold in India MUST be sold at 20% off the marked price. Of course, if you don't ask your book wala for it, he might just happen to overlook it too. Are you selling it at 20% off after the initial 20% off? -- Air is water with holes in it. _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dsl or cable
by Tahir Hashmi 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:48:29 Prakash Shetty wrote: >Well i get an average of 16K on this line ... mine is a so called 128K > 16kBps or 16kbps? If it's the former, you're getting what you are supposed to --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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dsl or cable
by Dr . Sharukh K . R . Pavri . 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

I am getting a choice of braodband access in the sense that I am being offered DSL (Dishnet) and Cable access (Hathway). both are costing *almost* the same as far as monthly/yearly dues, though if I opt for a personal cable modem, I will have to pay a little more (~8000 bucks) for the modem. I want to know if someone has used these services. Which one would be preferable. What should I look out for ? What are the queries I need to get answered from both these chaps ? I already asked if they are blocking port 80 as I will get a static IP and would like to host my site myself. The guy I spoke to did not know about the port 80 stuff so he will get back to me. regards, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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mail bounce in sendmail...
by Nilesh Kahar 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

hello llist, i m using sendmail as my e-mail server ...linux kernel is 2.2..my server bounces mails which has got . (dot) in e-mail address like nilesh.kahar(a)yahoo.com . other mailing is working fine. can anybody resolve my problem? Nilesh. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax

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Everybuddy RPMs
by Philip S Tellis 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Some people had asked me where they could get the latest rpms/tarballs for everybuddy. These are the links to the same. The guy who made them did this last batch over ssh from a win98 machine and hasn't tested them, so, please test them and let us know :) http://www2.goddamn.co.uk/me/tech/linux/RPM/RPMS/i686/everybuddy-0.3.0pre-t… http://www2.goddamn.co.uk/me/tech/linux/RPM/SRPMS/everybuddy-0.3.0pre-tai20… http://www2.goddamn.co.uk/me/tech/linux/RPM/SOURCES/everybuddy-0.3.0pre-tai… Philip

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pine or mutt?
by Nikhil Joshi 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hi! I've found that there is a cult following as far as mail agents and editors are concerned. A guy who uses vi rearely uses emacs and vice versa also a guy who uses mutt rarely uses pine or any other mail agent. I would like to discuss about mail agent here (I use vi and I love it ;) I use pine and it suffices most of my needs. Has anyone used both pine and mutt extensively? What in your opinon is more powerful and user friendly? when I enter mutt the inital UI is not inviting and I'm forced to press the q key :) I've read that mutt relies on .rc file editing. I'm planning to learn mutt but I just don't want to be disappointed if I figure out that there ain't much difference between pine and mutt. -- "If we wanted more leisure, we'd invent machines that do things less efficiently." -Calvin's dad

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ACPI tables error
by am_rahul 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hello Anurag, I saw your mail regarding 'ACPI tables not in Reclaim Memory'.Even I am get'n the same error & the screen turns blank. Were you able to find a soln. for the problem ? If yes then will it be possible for you to forward me the soln. Thanks in Advance, Rahul Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] konqueror and java applets
by Amish Mehta 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Yes yahoo pool(yahoo games) works. Amish. Manish Jethani wrote: >You have to enable Java in Konqueror (it's disabled by default). > Have you done that?

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Woody on db.ilug-bom.org.in
by Kunal Gangakhedkar 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Is the Woody Distro kept at db.ilug-bom.org.in good enough??? I mean, can I download it without bothering to update it regularly??? And will the updates be available on ILUG site??? Or should I prefer Potato-R3??? I don't have fast enough connection to update it regularly... Kunal ---------------------- Real Users find the one combination of bizarre input values that shuts down the system for days.

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konqueror and java applets
by Amish Mehta 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Hi, I am trying to run Yahoo chat(through http://chat.yahoo.com) on konqueror but it doesnt show anything(except frames at bottom, menu frame and advt. frame) and X shows following error: Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] I did xlsfonts and found -adobe-symbol... font to be present. So I replaced --symbol with -adobe-symbol in /usr/java/jdk1.3.1_02/jre/lib/fonts.properties file and the error changes to Font specified in font.properties not found [-adobe-symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] So I wonder where does it search for fonts. I have no idea about if what I did was correct so i un-did it. Is it konqueror problem, java problem or yahoo problem(only IE/Netscape allowed?)? Surprisingly, Yahoo Pool works very well in konqueror. Also yahoo chat works on Netscape without any problem. So how do I enable yahoo chat in konqueror. Do i have to install or tweak something in konqueror(or java)? I have konqueror 2.1.1(KDE 2.1.2) with java from jdk 1.3.1_02. Netscape version in communicator 4.77 with its own internal JRE. Amish.

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Connecting to roltawith wvdial
by Anirudh Shivaswamy 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

I am unable to connect to rolta with wvdial . wvdial is able to connect to the rolta server , but says "Returning not OK!" after trying to verify username and password . I have kernel 2.2.16BOOT . I have no way to use any other kernel , since I use loadlin to boot from Win98 SE . what should i do to connect to internet?

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gaim and Yahoo!
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Hi, Here's an update on the current game of hide-and-seek with Yahoo! You can get gaim to work again by setting the pager host for your Yahoo! account as "cs40.msg.sc5.yahoo.com" Sameer. ===== -- MTech Student Reconfigurable Computing Lab KReSIT, IIT-Bombay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Yahoo
by Philip S Tellis 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

I think everybuddy is working with yahoo again - at least it works for me. Get the CVS and test please. Send bugs to me. Philip -- "Neo. I hope the Oracle gave you some good news." -- Apoc, "The Matrix"

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[offtopic] Books for Sale !
by akshaysalkar 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie.20%-22%off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Programming Perl 3/e - Larry Wall - Rs. 450 - O'Rielly 2) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Rs. 100 - Techmedia 3) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Rs. 200 - BPB 4) Building Linux Clusters - David Spector - Rs.220 - O'Rielly 5) Using Linux Special Edition - Rs.200 - Prentice Hall 6) Design of the Unix OS - Maurice Bach - Rs. 150 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Debian CDs Wanted
by Vishal 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Greetings. I need the Debian CDs. Am too bored to download the iso images. Can anyone kindly lend me their CDs (non-US release) ? I will just copy them and return them in a day. Else anybody selling these CDs for a reasonable cost? I also need a suggestion about whether to use Potato or Woody. I am at Lokhandwala, Andheri (W), Bombay. Please email me off-list so as not to annoy other members. Vishal.

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GNU/Linux Internationalisation
by vinayak hegde 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

hi linux users, I thought ppl might find the following links useful in localisation of linux to the indian environment - --> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/whitepapers/gtki18n/gtki18n.ps (PostScript Version) --> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/whitepapers/gtki18n/index.html (HTML Version) -- vinayak hegde

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how to crack linux root password
by Manish Jethani 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Use this command to crack linux root password: echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc Now! Get your sysad fired! Manish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Renaming user-id
by Amish Mehta 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Nikhil Joshi wrote: >I looked at /etc/passwd file more carefully and found this > >shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown >halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt > >are these users ? Anybody in /etc/passwd is logically a user, but in general ftp, mail, daemon, bin etc are system users, used by daemons(background processes, run ps aux) I dont have any idea about purpose of halt and shutdown users. Try man halt or man shutdown. >Can I halt without logging in ? You cant halt/reboot unless you login as root(superuser). You can however reboot by pressing ctrl-alt-del on local terminals OR switching the computer off ;-). Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Renaming user-id
by Amish Mehta 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

You should also change(rename) the user login name(the first field) in /etc/shadow. Amish. Nikhil Joshi wrote: > >Is there any way of renaming an user logon >I tried to rename the user in /etc/passwd but it didn't work

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Offline News browsing using Pine
by Nikhil Joshi 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Hi! Just configured the news-server using pine But it doesn't dnld the messages. I have to read them online :( Mozilla News also has same prob Is there any newseader which dnlds selected messages for offline reading ? Can I configure pine to do it ? -- "Mom knows EVERYTHING" -Calvin

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Renaming user-id
by Nikhil Joshi 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Is there any way of renaming an user logon I tried to rename the user in /etc/passwd but it didn't work Please help. -- "My ethicator machine must've had a built-in moral compromise spectral release phantasmatron! I'm a genius!" --- Calvin

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Query re regex
by Dr . Sharukh K . R . Pavri . 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Hi Philip, I downloaded your lecture on regex from the ACM website. I have a query; I am a bit confused with the following lines from your examples. [A-Z^] - match anything from A-Z or ^ [-A-Z] - match anything from A-Z or- [+-*/] - match anything from + to * and / [-+*/] - match - + * / Does the first line mean match anything from A to Z or A to ^ ? or does it mean match anything from A to Z or match ^ ? similarly if you could also explain the other three lines please. I am writing to the list so tha teveryone can benefit from the answer. Thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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Internet Connection Settings.
by Michael Rodrigues 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Hi, I recently took a new internet connection from my local cable operator.He has configured Win98 and set up the gateway as a proxy server too. I tried setting up my Slack 8 box with the same settings as in Win98 (ip add,netmask etc), but I keep gettting the same error: SIOADDRT:Network unreachable. How does one configure linux to use a proxy server at boot time? Am I missing something really obvious out here? Could someone please point me in the right dircetion? Regards, Michael. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Help reg Proxy Settings
by Michael Rodrigues 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Hi, I recently took a new internet connection from my local cable operator.He has configured Win98 and set up the gateway as a proxy server too. I tried setting up my Slack 8 box with the same settings as in Win98 (ip add,netmask etc), but I keep gettting the same error: SIOADDRT:Network unreachable. Am I missing something really obvious out here? Could someone please point me in the right dircetion? Regards, Michael. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Set Date into CMOS?
by Steven Rebello 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

how do i set the CMOS date to current system date without reboot in linux? steven Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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