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printing and Linux
by Komal 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Hello, Printing subsystem always baffles me. Printing in windows is very intuitive and easy. If I fire print job and if print cord is not connected to printer or printer is offline print spooler flashes warning within few seconds. But in Linux once print job is fired it is lost in black hole. Even if printer is offline or printer is not connected print spooler doesn't inform about it. I have tired lpd, lprng and CUPS all are more or less same. I wonder printing is so flaky in Linux? Thanks Regards, Komal

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LUG-Meetings
by Derwyn Dpenha 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

>Hi Jon, when are you leaving? We have not had any meet for >months. Maybe some interested people can meet at a place. It's been a long time since we have had a Lug meeting Anurag. What I'm suggesting some of you may not like it hey it's just an idea that we have been tinkering with for some time, why can't few of the guys meet and just have a discussion on any or all topics or problems they have Why do we need to organise a classroom like atmosphere with one person giving a talk on some subject....(man I had enough of that during college) Actually I was one of those who went to meet John Masters (British visitor seeks linuxers)he made a interesting point that one of the Lugs groups around London actually meet up once a month at a Curry house and just discuss what each other are doing and what problems they face... I'm game for the idea of sitting in a coffee shop and discussing (remember Barista's I think we discussed more there than we discussed in MET). No don't get me wrong I do not advertise or promote Barista. but what I'm saying is we could meet any where even at khar promenade or juhu who cares as long as LIKE MINDED PEOPLE meet and talk... Derwyn

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R-Connect LSP350R
by vara prasad 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Hi, The procedure given to connect LSP 350R was good ...but as i am new to linux i am facing difficulty in configuring my LSP 350 R with Linux. So if possible help me in configuring and geting me connected to Net . Thanks in advance. And also help me in configuring my sound drivers. I have ASUS motherboard (K8V-MX) with AMD centrion processor. Once again thanks inadvance >From varaprasad --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

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Problem with Mounting : mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel
by Gopi K 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

hi all ! i would want to read some file from my windows directory . i have created a dir called win in the mnt directory. when i give the following command. # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win i get the following error mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel can some one please tell what is this error and how can i read the files please help thanks in advace gk mumbai

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] File system help
by Abhishek Sood 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

-----Original Message----- From: Nadeem M. Khan [mailto:nadeem.m.khan@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:02 AM To: GNU/Linux "Users Group, Mumbai, "India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] File system help On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 11:11, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: > On 20 Oct 2005 16:49:04 -0000, Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have dual boot with redhat 8.1 and win2k3 , file system in respective O.S is ext3 and ntfs > > i am unable to mount ntfs partition in redhat.. Since kernel doent support that... Is there any way thru which i can make my kernel support ntfs partition.. > > > > Awaiting response on this > > You'll need the ntfs module compiled in the kernel. You have a couple > of options. Either find the rpm for kernel-module-ntfs for your kernel > on rpm.pbone.net. Or get a kernel tarball and compile it yourself. IIRC, Linux supports NTFS read only. NTFS write is not yet stable. Or is it? Regards, NMK. Hi all, I have dual operating system with UBUNTU and WINXP, I would like to view my drives which are on windows side on UBUNTU Ny one to help Adios Abhi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't compare floating point numbers solely for equality.

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Introduction to Novell Linux Point of Sale.
by Amish Munshi 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Hello All, Everyone is invited for the session on Novell Linux Point of Service (NLPOS) on 25th Oct. Topics : Introduction to NLPOS. (Level - Intermediate) Novell Linux Point of Service 9 is the premiere Linux platform optimized for the enterprise retail point-of-sale environment. Secure and reliable, it includes Linux for user touch points and in-store servers. It helps retailers reduce their total cost of ownership through centralized administration and deployment tools, small operating-system footprint images, and support for a variety of software products. Using NLPOS you can control the method of remote booting of the client machines. For more information on NLPOS please visit : http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpointofservice/ Venue : Onward Novell Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 62, 13th Street, MIDC, Andheri (East) Mumbai, 400093 India +91-09820931263 Duration : 5:30-7:30 PM Date : Oct 25, 2005 Registration : Limited seats are available, please register at the following URL at the earliest. Seminars are free of charge. http://register.novell.com/login/?action=prelogin&fuse=event&id=16668&lcode… Please circulate this mail to anyone who might be interested. Amish Munshi Consultant amunshi(a)novell.com 91-22-28342244 Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise www.novell.com/open

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Problems in Tata Indicom Internet Connections
by neel s Gurjar 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Hi I am using SuSE 9.3 and Tata indicom Internet connection with their FWP. I can connect internet but I am facing Speed Problem and Getting disconnected many times. I have put String AT+CRM=1. But Still I am facing Problem. Please Help Neelesh

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[Commercial] Job Opening for Tech Lead
by Optimal Solutions 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Greetings All, We have the following opening with us for a reputed MNC - * Position : Tech Lead Job Description: š Responsible for the technology side of supporting and developing the ISI Emerging Markets Africa product. š Lead the migration of an existing Microsoft based systems to LAMP technologies. š Responsible for customizing ISI products for integration onto customer Intranets. š Supporting the local customer support team for customer related technical issues. š Working with ISIs global teams on development and support projects. Required Skills: š Self motivated individual that can work by themselves with minimal day to day supervision. š Extensive support and development experience with LAMP (Linux, Apache, mySQL & PERL) technologies. š Extensive support experience with standard Internet technologies. e.g. HTML, XML, CGI scripts etc š Working experience with developing and supporting CGI and database applications. š Some working experience for Microsoft OSs/applications and specifically MSOffice, SQL Server and Visual Basic. š Good written and verbal communication skills. š Experience as a team leader a plus. Experience: š 3-5 years of relevant work experience. Qualification: š Computer Science Degree or Diploma from recognized institute. Reporting to: š Asian Technology Manager based in Mumbai, India Those interested may send their profiles to [1]jobs(a)pearlconsultants.com or [2]jobs(a)ospians.com or [3]info(a)evolve-global.com Regards, AISHWARYA _________________________________________________________________ Aamir Khan is back! [4]See him in the mustached avatar in Mangal Pandey. Click here to know all about the movie. References 1. mailto:jobs@pearlconsultants.com 2. mailto:jobs@ospians.com 3. mailto:info@evolve-global.com 4. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENIN/2746??PS=47575

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Problem with Mounting : mount: fs type ntfs notsupported by kernel
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

>i get the following error >mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel I think you are using FC4. You need to download and add another specific module to do this. Google pls... I ran into the same thing and I just superimposed RH9 on it. Works okay... Gishu

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[OT] Interesting article...
by Dinesh Joshi 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Hi, Interesting read on the broadband scenario in India. http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/18/stories/2005101803481000.htm Can anyone get the email of the gentleman who wrote this article? This is the first informed article about the broadband situation in India. TOI, being crappy as usual, is always praising the "broadband revolution". This article is REALLY in their face ;-) -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Just a curiosity!!
by Apoorva Kulkarni 23 Oct '05

23 Oct '05

Hello Luggers.. I was just wondering whether we have "official" ILUG-BOM merchandise like t-shirts or something of tht sort.. plz dont think of me as some newbie wanting to show off or anything.. im saying this coz recently i assisted Mr. Dinesh Shah and Mr. Trevor Warren in conducting a Linux workshop at TSEC,Bandra and thought a tee with something like "Linux User" printed would be a nice way to promote Linux and the group. -- Apoorva Kulkarni ozzman[AT]bsd.miki.eu.org The network is the computer... http://www.linux-ha.org http://www.linuxhpc.org http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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MTNL
by Satish Alwani 23 Oct '05

23 Oct '05

Is this about the dialup??? Abhishek Daga wrote: > > If speed is not a criteria and you just want to ssh into remote > > boxes, then mtnl rules. especially the unlimited 700/month package. > > > This has been jacked up by MTNL to 1400/month so if you are using this, watch out for your next bill. I am on 500/month but I will unsubcribe as it will become 1000 from 1st Nov. All rates double from !st Nov.

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File system help
by Karia Amit 22 Oct '05

22 Oct '05

Hi All, I have dual boot with redhat 8.1 and win2k3 , file system in respective O.S is ext3 and ntfs i am unable to mount ntfs partition in redhat.. Since kernel doent support that... Is there any way thru which i can make my kernel support ntfs partition.. Awaiting response on this Regards Amit Karia

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] File system help
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 Oct '05

22 Oct '05

On Sunday 30 October 2005 00:02, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 11:11, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: > > On 20 Oct 2005 16:49:04 -0000, Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have dual boot with redhat 8.1 and win2k3 , file system in > > > respective O.S is ext3 and ntfs i am unable to mount ntfs > > > partition in redhat.. Since kernel doent support that... Is > > > there any way thru which i can make my kernel support ntfs > > > partition.. > > > > > > Awaiting response on this > > > > You'll need the ntfs module compiled in the kernel. You have a > > couple of options. Either find the rpm for kernel-module-ntfs for > > your kernel on rpm.pbone.net. Or get a kernel tarball and compile > > it yourself. > > IIRC, Linux supports NTFS read only. NTFS write is not yet stable. > Or is it? Kernel support seems to be stable now - 2.6.13. However captive uses the native ntfs.sys to provide ntfs access. It works so far.http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ rgds jtd.

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British visitor seeks linuxers
by Jon Masters 21 Oct '05

21 Oct '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, I'm in town again for a couple of days, until very late tomorrow night. It would be cool to have some coffee in a Barista (or wherever) if any LUG members are about. I'm staying up in Juhu Beach near the airport. I write for http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/ (and others) and would like to get a feel for the Linux use in Mumbai partly for my own interest, and partly because I would like to write about it in the future. Gimme an email if you're about - or SMS +447776131337 if they don't charge 1 lakh for it :-) Jon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVi2deTyyexZHHxERAvV9AJ94cGwz/eF6Ffh3PVhySwN2ttKC1gCfRiXr QGv0RWS/hB/iFs05Cg7PWUQ= =jdhn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Installing Ubuntu on Apple ibook
by Shreyas Phadnis 21 Oct '05

21 Oct '05

Dear all, Wanted Help installing Ubuntu(5.10) on Apple iBook G4 14". The Setup is goes well.But the touchpad doesnt work.Tried using Stelian Pop`s driver (http://www.popies.net/atp/) but it doesnt compile.gives me loads of errors.Also the source code has no mention of 14" spec. It does say powerbook 12" and 15".Any one knows how to tacle this issue. Also like MOL(Mac on Linux) is there a anything that can run Linux on Mac. Regards, Shreyas Phadnis

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Help abolish software patents
by Nikhil Prabhakar 21 Oct '05

21 Oct '05

Hi all, *Luminaries are calling on Worldwide Community to vote against Software Patents.Plz help in abolishing software patents by voting online for *Florian Mueller, the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents.com campaign. http://www.ag-ip-news.com/GetArticle.asp?Art_ID=2254&lang=en Regards Nikhil Prabhakar "Live Life Ethically" www.gnu.org/philosophy <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy>

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Please help (Accessing tape device on remote machine.)
by santosh kyadari 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

I have a tape device(/dev/st0) attached on a debian system. I want to access this tape from another linux machine. I can do mt related command using ssh from other machine. But I am not able to use rdump and rrestore to this tape drive from other machine. When I give command rrestore -if abcd.res.in:/dev/st0 It gives abcd.res.in: connection refused login to abcd.res.in as root is failed. I have entered proper entries in ~root/.rhosts and /etc/equiv. Can anybody help on this. Can anybody suggest expert opinion. Regards, Santosh K

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: British visitor seeks linuxers
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

On Thursday 20 October 2005 13:48, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > This is an area of interest - what internet access is like > > generally in Mumbai and other major cities in this country. > Currently also using tataindicom 512 kbps at 1575 with a 2 GB data > transfer limit. That is a good plan. It is much cheaper than MTNL ADSL. > Its ok. The point here is that it is far better than what it was 1 > yr ago and will only get better. So there is hope. Once reliance > officially launches their broadband, it would trigger another > price/quality war. Unfortunately the latter falls at a much higher rate :-(. rgds

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: British visitor seeks linuxers
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

> This is an area of interest - what internet access is like > generally in > Mumbai and other major cities in this country. > > Cheers, > > Jon. (Having stayed in both UK and India) Internet access in India is currently more expensive in both absolute + relative terms. In most urban areas of UK, you can get unlimited 512Kbps/1MBps broadband for 10 pounds a month. For starter plans, you may have a connection fee of 20-30 pounds, but you do often get a basic ADSL modem for free. You do have to sign a contract for 12 months though. Normally, 1 MBPS access shall give you download speeds of upto 100kbps from a UK or european mirror site. (and expect around 50kbps from 512Kbps connection). You can also get some "monthly download limit capped" broadband for an even cheaper rate. (6 pounds pm?) In India, you pay close to 700-1000 Rupees (10-12) pounds for a slightly slower copnnection. Depending on the ISP, you may have monthly caps on downloads as well. I am not very sure what the rates currently are, (looks like they have gone down a bit). In Bangalore, till last year, you could expect to pay 1000-1200 per month for a 128Kbps "broadband" from an ISP called Hathway, which had a download limit of 2GB pm, and you paid 2 rupees per Meg after that. In summary, 1) rates in absolute terms are generally higher than UK for comparable services. 2) If you consider this in relation to average wage, its even higher. (minimum wage in UK ~5 pounds per hr) p.s. and we never had a freeserve like ISP in India :-( !!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Tri-band ADSL
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:49, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2005 21:30, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > > > Any gotchas that I need to look out for ? They are providing > > > > a D-Link modem. > > > > > > dhcp is not neccessary. U can disable dhcp and set a static ip > > > (in the same subnet as the modems ip). The modems ip can be set > > > to any suitable ip. > > > > Okay this is shaky ground for me. Can you please elaborate _with_ > > some numerical examples please ? > > eg. Modem ethernet ip 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > Your box ethernet ip which connects to the modem 192.168.2.2 ~ > 192.168.2.254 Modem ethernet ip 10.1.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 > Your box ethernet ip which connects to the modem 10.1.31.2 ~ > 10.1.31.3 Sorry that should read 10.1.2.2~ 10.1.2.3 rgds jtd

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Unattended execution of Bash script in Linux from Windows
by Varadarajan V 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

Hi, I have two pcs. One FC4 and one Windows XP. I have to run a script test.shevery time I complete a particular task. To do that I login to Linux thru ssh from XP machine and run the script manually. I want to automate all of this i.e., from loging in to FC4 till the execution of the Bash script. I think it is not possible thru telnet. I could not find anything in google. any suggestions or pointers? thanks. Best Regards, Raj

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Tri-band ADSL
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

On Tuesday 18 October 2005 21:30, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > > > Any gotchas that I need to look out for ? They are providing a > > > D-Link modem. > > > > dhcp is not neccessary. U can disable dhcp and set a static ip > > (in the same subnet as the modems ip). The modems ip can be set > > to any suitable ip. > > Okay this is shaky ground for me. Can you please elaborate _with_ > some numerical examples please ? eg. Modem ethernet ip 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Your box ethernet ip which connects to the modem 192.168.2.2 ~ 192.168.2.254 Modem ethernet ip 10.1.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 Your box ethernet ip which connects to the modem 10.1.31.2 ~ 10.1.31.3 > Any reasons not to go for dhcp ? None. > > > The mtnl dns is dicey and goes down sometimes. Use a local dns. > > One issue will be blocking spam at the mtnl server. Downloading > > and filtering is pointless. > > So mtnl also gives you an email ID too. Yes. rgds jtd

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Sify Hosting Problem
by Sanket Medhi 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

Hello friends, I am using Sify and am facing problems with hosting a server and logging in remotely. In fact, people cant even ping my IP! I know this is because of the proxy/NAT that Sify has set up in my area. I though am not aware of the details of this. Is there any way to override this configuration so that I get my freedom back? -- Regards, Sanket Medhi, sanketmedhi [at] gmail [dot] com

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Introduction to NLPOS on 25th Oct.
by Amish Munshi 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

Hello All, Everyone is invited for the session on Novell Linux Point of Service (NLPOS) on 25th Oct. Topics : Introduction to NLPOS. (Level - Intermediate) Novell Linux Point of Service 9 is the premiere Linux platform optimized for the enterprise retail point-of-sale environment. Secure and reliable, it includes Linux for user touch points and in-store servers. It helps retailers reduce their total cost of ownership through centralized administration and deployment tools, small operating-system footprint images, and support for a variety of software products. Using NLPOS you can control the method of remote booting of the client machines. For more information on NLPOS please visit : http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpointofservice/ Venue : Onward Novell Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 62, 13th Street, MIDC, Andheri (East) Mumbai, 400093 India +91-09820931263 Duration : 5:30-7:30 PM Date : Oct 25, 2005 Registration : Limited seats are available, please register at the following URL at the earliest. Seminars are free of charge. http://register.novell.com/login/?action=prelogin&fuse=event&id=16668&lcode… Please circulate this mail to anyone who might be interested. Amish Munshi Consultant amunshi(a)novell.com 91-22-28342244 Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise www.novell.com/open

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Accessing tape device on remote machine.
by santosh kyadari 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

I have a tape device(/dev/st0) attached on a debian system. I want to accessthis tape from another linux machine. I can do mt related command using ssh from other machine. But I am not able to use rdump and rrestore to this tape drive from other machine. When I give command rrestore -if abcd.res.in:/dev/st0 It gives abcd.res.in: connection refused login to abcd.res.in as root is failed. I have entered proper entries in ~user/.rhosts and /etc/equiv. Can anybody help on this. Can anybody suggest expert opinion. Regards, Santosh K

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Tri-band ADSL
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

On Monday 17 October 2005 19:18, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > I am thinking of going in for the new combo offer of MTNL which > bundles broadband w/ local telephony. > > >From the discussions on the list (which I only skimmed over) what > > I need > > to do is connect the adsl modem to my pc using ethernet and > configure the card to use DHCP. > > Any gotchas that I need to look out for ? They are providing a > D-Link modem. dhcp is not neccessary. U can disable dhcp and set a static ip (in the same subnet as the modems ip). The modems ip can be set to any suitable ip. The mtnl dns is dicey and goes down sometimes. Use a local dns. One issue will be blocking spam at the mtnl server. Downloading and filtering is pointless. Remember to change the default passwords in the modem and at http:\\register.mtnl.net.in rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian cd
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

On Monday 17 October 2005 21:35, Rony Bill wrote: > Rai, Vivek BGI UK wrote: > > Thats a great idea!.. > > > > we see so many mails about availablity of CD's, if we could put > > up a simple list with contact details etc, it could be avoided.. > > All this is fine, but the experience of walking into a shop and > sifting through the various packages and pestering the shopkeeper > has its own charm. :) Particularly when he offers windoze xp servicehack xyz ;-E. rgds jtd

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MTNL Tri-band ADSL
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

I am thinking of going in for the new combo offer of MTNL which bundles broadband w/ local telephony. >From the discussions on the list (which I only skimmed over) what I need to do is connect the adsl modem to my pc using ethernet and configure the card to use DHCP. Any gotchas that I need to look out for ? They are providing a D-Link modem. Thanks Sharukh -- Dr. Sharukh K R Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. guru, n: A computer owner who can read the manual.

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configure firewall in linux
by Brijesh Mishra 17 Oct '05

17 Oct '05

How to configure firewall on a separate PC in Linux.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Debian cd
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 17 Oct '05

17 Oct '05

Thats a great idea!.. we see so many mails about availablity of CD's, if we could put up a simple list with contact details etc, it could be avoided.. but we also got to make sure it remains up-to date.. else we would be back to the mailing list.. (maybe a wiki like page editable by all members would do?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Gonsalves [mailto:lawgon@thenilgiris.com] > Sent: 15 October 2005 06:44 > To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian cd > > > On Saturday 15 Oct 2005 12:37 am, acharekar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am new to Linux. > > I want to install Debian to get started, > > Please let me know where will i find Debian CD for installation. > > in this context, why dont we put up a list of places where cds are > available in mumbai on the website? > -- > regards > kg > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon > tally ho! http://avsap.org.in > ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க! > > >

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Debian cd
by acharekar 17 Oct '05

17 Oct '05

Hi, I am new to Linux. I want to install Debian to get started, Please let me know where will i find Debian CD for installation. Regards, Persie.

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slow booting of RHEL WS 4.0
by amit453d 16 Oct '05

16 Oct '05

Hi all, I have loaded the winXp SP2 and RHEL WS 4.0 dual booting using grub, problem is booting to linux takes 15-20 minutes. Booting to WinXP and coming out of linux is fast. motherboard is 915 GAV. I would like to know whether this is normal for RHEL WS 4.0 booting or there is some problem. If so kindly help me out. Cheers, Amit Das.

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[Info] LX300 in FC
by Rony Bill 16 Oct '05

16 Oct '05

Hello All, This is a note on setting up the Epson LX300 dot matrix printer in FC4. On the top task bar panel, go to Desktop > System Settings > Printing. Here add your printer and for the driver, select 'Generic'. In its sub list, select 'ESC/P Dot Matrix Printer'. On the rightside, there is a small drop down list of 'Available Drivers'. Select 'eps9high'. In the next tab called 'Driver Options' set your page size and for resolution, select '240x216'. Select OK, apply your new settings and your lx300 is ready to print even better quality print outs as compared to windows. :) Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Configuring TriBand under Ubuntu
by Mohan S N 15 Oct '05

15 Oct '05

I have the DSL399 conn via ethernet. I am running Ubuntu 5.04. I have trouble configuring the connection. The problem is that once upon a time i had used a modem and Ubuntu still considers the modem as the default and does not remember the settings for the ethernet conn. I have configured & activated the ethernet conn umpteen times and disabled the modem conn as many times. Pl help. Because of this I have to use XP instead of practising shell scripts (I am 2 mths old int the world of Linux and loving it). Regards, Mohan S N P.S.: The MTNL tech support is of no avail as the troll who services my area cannot tell between internet and ethernet . He is lost searching for 'ethernet explorer' if I delete the dsk shortcut to IE. Action express priorities. - M K Gandhi

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] slow booting of RHEL WS 4.0
by bimal pandit 15 Oct '05

15 Oct '05

Dear Rony, On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 Rony Bill wrote : >amit453d wrote: >>Hi all, >> I have loaded the winXp SP2 and RHEL WS 4.0 dual booting using grub, problem is booting to linux takes 15-20 minutes. Booting to WinXP and coming out of linux is fast. motherboard is 915 GAV. >>I would like to know whether this is normal for RHEL WS 4.0 booting or there is some problem. If so kindly help me out. >>Cheers, Amit Das. >> > >Is your RHEL trying to configure some device like....say....eth0? If you set it to dhcp and there is nothing connected, it may wait to find a dhcp server or you got a lan active and its not setup for linux???? Turn sendmail service off too. It is not needed. Find out the exact device/program where it takes time to load during bootup. If its not needed, get it off. > >Regards, > >Rony. > > As soon as it starts to boot the following reasons could lead to consume time... 1) It tries to configure LAN card through DHCP. 2) Hostname issue, Sendmail is confused between "/etc/hosts" and "/etc/sysconfig/network" where normally we define hostname. 3) swap space partition. the thing is while booting you will get a GUI screen and would'nt know what actually consuming time behind the screen, so do "CTRL+F1" and you will see, the services. hope this this will help. regards, Bimal Pandit

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R-Connect LSP350R
by Rony Bill 14 Oct '05

14 Oct '05

Hello Everyone, MTNL has suddenly decided to do away with new subscriptions for the "Telephone for Internet" scheme where it charged a flat fee of Rs. 500/- per month for all calls unlimitted to any dialup ISP. The existing customers, that includes me, of this scheme are being told to 'kindly get lost' by increasing the monthly tarrifs from 500/- to 1000/- for Scheme A and 700/- to 1400/- for Scheme B. They are killing the dialup and dialup ISPs and are trying to push Triband down our throats. The triband is not viable for me as my usage is above 250 mb and I would require to shell out atleast 500/- + 250/- = 750/- every month and that too would be a limit of 400 MB. R-Connect gives me 1 GB for Rs 650/-. I want to break MTNL's linux monopoly by using my newly acquired Reliance LSP350R for net usage in Linux. The Mandrake 10.1 does not mount it, although it detects it, inspite of all commands tried from the internet. The FC4 distro can detect it automatically and mounts it on /ttyACM0. The problem is that I am not able to get it talking in KPPP. I tried the initialising string as it exists in the windows. I don't know what should be the 'Flow Control' option Hardware/Software/None and the Line Termination CR/LF/Both. Has anyone successfully used this new model LSP350R for r-connect in linux. If so, please help me by giving me the detailed settings for the same. From 1st November the new tarrifs will be applicable so by then I have to make the necessary crossover. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Urgent Help for a shell script to stop and start process
by ryan coelho 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 Dinesh Joshi wrote : >On Saturday 08 October 2005 13:02, Raghunandan Rao wrote: > > Hi, > > A script is needed which comments the second line of > > the file and removes ones condition is fulfilled.. > > For example as mentioned down, I'm checking for the > > free memory, when it comes to some 50MB it should the > > comment the '#' at second line of the file > > /service/run and when the free memory comes to 200 it > > should remove '#' killing the process or perl. > > The script below is incomplete.. > > > > Please do respond it urgently.. > > Thanks in advance > >Please tell us your problem. Because memory management should be left to >the kernel. And Linux / UNIX kernels are pretty good at managing >memory ;) > >-- >Dinesh A. Joshi > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers hi Maybe able to help if i know the exact problem Regards Ryan my email is r_coelho(a)rediffmail.com

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[Commercial] Openings for System Administrators
by Optimal Solutions 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

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exit status of zombie from proc or something
by Amish Mehta 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

Hello All, I have this process which runs a child and sleeps for 5 mins and then cleans child(zombie) and prints its exit status. Sometimes child exits early and I can not wait 5 mins for parent to print status (and I can not modify parent code). So is there a way to find the exit status of a child zombie process from proc or ps or any other way? Proc has file called status but I couldnt find if it shows exit code somewhere, can anyone help? Google doesnt help much. Thanks in advance. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] R-Connect LSP350R
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

On Thursday 13 October 2005 01:21, Rony Bill wrote: > > I want to break MTNL's linux monopoly >From when did MTNL monopolise linux of all things ??? > by using my newly acquired > Reliance LSP350R for net usage in Linux. The Mandrake 10.1 does not > mount it, although it detects it, inspite of all commands tried > from the internet. The FC4 distro can detect it automatically and > mounts it on /ttyACM0. The problem is that I am not able to get it > talking in KPPP. > > I tried the initialising string as it exists in the windows. I > don't know what should be the 'Flow Control' option > Hardware/Software/None and the Line Termination CR/LF/Both. > > Has anyone successfully used this new model LSP350R for r-connect > in linux. I I have but only the serial version. U have to initialize the modem with the strings ATZ AT+CRM=1; $LGPKT=3 I have used the LSP250 with tataindicom > If so, please help me by giving me the detailed settings > for the same. From 1st November the new tarrifs will be applicable > so by then I have to make the necessary crossover. > > Regards, > > Rony. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide > with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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[ot]commodore 64 with game kit and sound maker up for grabs
by Trevor Warren 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

Morning Fellas, My fiance while cleaning her place just found out that among the junk(tons of it..:D) at her place we had a Commodore 64. I was surprised to see the same with a load of cassettes(games+educational) and basic programming books plus tons of other educational material. The kit was used just twice with most of the cartons and game kits still not opened since its purchase in 79. This is mostly nostalgic and i understand that there would be collectors on this list who may want to lay their hands on this kit. Any geek who wants it can have it. Its free for you to grab. Please write in to me off this mailing list. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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need help in dovecot and tcp_wrappers
by vaibhav wadkar 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

hi all, I want to block dovecot using tcp_wrappers. How to do that suggestion needed urgentely. dovecot is the dameon which is using for imap and ipop3 in RHEL 4. In short what is the changes to be done in dovecot.conf and what are entries in host.allow(if needed) & host.deny files. Wating for reply? Thanks Regards Vaibhav. -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes!

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Urgent Help for a shell script to stop and start process
by Raghunandan Rao 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hi, A script is needed which comments the second line of the file and removes ones condition is fulfilled.. For example as mentioned down, I'm checking for the free memory, when it comes to some 50MB it should the comment the '#' at second line of the file /service/run and when the free memory comes to 200 it should remove '#' killing the process or perl. The script below is incomplete.. Please do respond it urgently.. Thanks in advance #!/bin/bash echo RAM=`grep MemFree /proc/meminfo|tr -s [:blank:]|cut -f2 -d" "` echo SWAP=`grep SwapFree /proc/meminfo|tr -s [:blank:]|cut -f2 -d" "` echo PID=`pidof perl` if [ $RAM le= 563200 ] then wall "Free Memory is at 100" elif [ $RAM=530432 ] fi Regards, Raghunandan Raghunandan Rao Kanugo, System Administrator (Linux), Hyderabad, AP __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to download data to USB stick
by hemendra jain 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Dear ILUGgers, Thanx for the reply. Rgds, Jain On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 deshpande(a)vsnl.com wrote : >Just put the usb drive and then type tail /var/log/messages which will have the message that a new USB drive has been detected and its name is /dev/xyz you can then give command #mount -t vfat /dev/xyz /folder/whereUwant_ur_USB > >$ cd /folder > >$ cp * /home/user1/ will copy all the things from USB to the users home directory > >Mahesh Deshpande >Tel 09322034838 > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Writing Modprobe.conf
by Rajen M. Parekh 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hi, Whenever I want to use my printer, I have to give the command "modprobe lp" to load the lp module. When the system starts up it load parport & parport_pc modules but not lp. I have now put the command in rc.local file so that the module gets loaded when the system starts. But my question is how does certain modules get automatically loaded when the system starts ? To be more specific, how do I configure /etc/modprobe.conf file to load modules which I want, automatically. For example the lines, alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 automatically loads the various sound modules like, (snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer) I want to know how/what do I do with the /etc/modprobe.conf file to make module "lp" to load automatically. I tried adding the following, but that does not work alias char-major-6* lp I tried many other ways but can't figure out how to do it. In other words, I am not able to understand how the kernel automatically loads certain modules. For example, when I start pppd (dial-up ), the following modules get inserted automatically when connected successfully, Module Size Used by ppp_deflate 4992 0 zlib_deflate 20888 1 ppp_deflate zlib_inflate 16896 1 ppp_deflate bsd_comp 5504 0 ppp_async 9088 1 crc_ccitt 1920 1 ppp_async ppp_generic 24980 7 ppp_deflate,bsd_comp,ppp_async slhc 6528 1 ppp_generic There are no entries for pppd in the /etc/modprobe.conf file, still the modules get loaded. Then why does not "lp" modules get loaded why I, for instance, give the command "lpr" . I tried reading the man pages but not of much help. Any pointers to other documentation would also be good. I tried to find something with google but no luck. Regards, Rajen. -- ... The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was.

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Linux Advance System Administration
by parag shrivastava 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hi, I am parag srivastava from pune. I am RHCE certified. Right now i am working in a MNC in pune as a system administrator. I want to re-revise all the stuff that i did for RHCE prepration and also test the new technologies like qmails , ldap which were not in our rhce course. Note: If u don't know linux then also i am ready to teach you free but you must have 2 computers. If anybody intrested then please contact me on my mobile no. 09860456268. Thanks & Regards, Parag Srivastava. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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FTP permission issue
by jeetendra r poojari 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hi, I have hosted one website in /domain/www.xyz.com/web i have created three 3 ftp users i.e., admin user1 user2 Home directory of admin is /domain/www.xyz.com/web owner is admin and group is site1 Home directory of user1 is /domain/www.xyz.com/web/user1 owner is user1 and group is site1 Home directory of user2 is /domain/www.xyz.com/web/user2 owner is user2 and group is site1 Now the issue is admin should have all the rights on the /domain/www.xyz.com/web directory how can i edit or delete files from /domain/www.xyz.com/web/user1 and /domain/www.xyz.com/web/user1 using admin FTP login I cant use group write permission as suexec in apache will not work Kindly provide me solution for this. Regards Jeetendra

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I have opensuse 10.0 OSS i386 version 5 cds
by Lintech 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

email me off the list. I am in ghatkopar. cost : free, bring your own cdrs. (currently downloading cd 2, will get all of them within next few days)

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Re: LPIC Book needed
by Sachin 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Google is your Answer. Sachin Gopal __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VoIP data transfer rates.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

On Monday 10 October 2005 14:24, Abhishek Daga wrote: > what does 1 min of VoIP usage translate into in terms of data > transfer? which codec? they vary from 2.15Kbps (speex codec) to 64Kbps ( G722 codec). You would be paying roughly one unit per 3300 secs ~ one unit per 125 secs. This does not include protocol overheads. A unit is Rs1.20 per MB as per MTNL rates. > > I am trying to work out the total cost of a VoIP service. > Got the call rates but one component is the bandwidth usage. > Since it works well with 256kbps and above, and both VSNL and MTNL > do not have unlimited plans for 256 kb/s and above therefore the > question. VSNL has an unlimited 128kbps plan for Rs.24000 p.a. which is good enough for voip. rgds jtd

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FYI: [commercial] IBM developerWorks: Linux technical briefing
by Philip Tellis 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

In case anyone is interested, IBM has asked us to forward this to the list: Email Dear Linux User group member Linux continues to pick up momentum as IT organizations worldwide choose to enjoy the system independence provided by an open source platform that doesn't sacrifice reliability and security. Developers in these organizations can benefit from a development environment that provides rapid and easy development, testing and maintenance of software for their developers. Attend the IBM developerWorks Live! technical briefing, Migrating and developing new applications for Linux in Oct, and see live demos of development tools and migration techniques for Linux. Register today for this half-day complimentary briefing at the city of your choice by visiting: http://ibm.com/developerworks/offers/techbriefings/details/linux.html IT managers and administrators will gain an understanding of how to use Linux based infrastructure servers in their departments and enable them to further reduce costs. IT or project managers will see project management tools that ease the management of the development process and a demo that will help you understand the time and resources required for a development or a migration project on Linux. To reserve your seat for this Linux briefing or for information on other IBM technical briefings, visit: http://ibm.com/developerworks/offers/techbriefings/details/linux.html We look forward to seeing you there. Sincerely, The IBM developerWorks Team Thanks & Regards Nina Bajaj Marketing Manager Developer Community Outreach Program ISV & Developer Relations Software Group (SWG) IBM Global Services India P Ltd Mobile: 9341484850 Email: nina.bajaj(a)in.ibm.com

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VoIP data transfer rates.
by Abhishek Daga 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

what does 1 min of VoIP usage translate into in terms of data transfer? I am trying to work out the total cost of a VoIP service. Got the call rates but one component is the bandwidth usage. Since it works well with 256kbps and above, and both VSNL and MTNL do not have unlimited plans for 256 kb/s and above therefore the question. Ignorance is Strength. What you don't know cannot hurt you. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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Compiling Kernel source on debian system
by raykar＠hathway.com 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Dear All, Can I compile kernel source downloaded from http://www.kernel.org/ to build kernel image for debian? Is this source to be debianised in some way before compiling? Regards, Nilesh Raykar

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MTNL Triband
by Satish Alwani 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

You can have the modem setup to logoff the pppoe when the connection is not in use for in excess of 5 minutes. >>Once u disable your network u have no access to the modem (i dont >>use the usb connection).

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[off topic] LPIC Book needed
by Lintech 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Does any one have a used Linux Professional Institute book. I am willing to buy it. Email me off the list. LPIC - 1 : Exams 101 and 102

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MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Picked up the Dlink dsl modem from MTNL after infinite number of calls to all an sundry at gandhinagar and vikhroli (w) exchanges. According to an engineer Mr. Nullamuttu they have a problem with supplies and configuration of modem. Connected to an old box powered it up, changed a couple of passwords and it was up and running. Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. downloaded some stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the phone line away from the UPS to add a few kbps. So far so good. rgds jtd

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how to download data to USB stick
by hemendra jain 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi Friends, I want to download certain files/data onto my USB mem. device. What necessary things I shd do ? Rgds, Jain

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how to download data to USB stick
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Just put the usb drive and then type tail /var/log/messages which will have the message that a new USB drive has been detected and its name is /dev/xyz you can then give command #mount -t vfat /dev/xyz /folder/whereUwant_ur_USB $ cd /folder $ cp * /home/user1/ will copy all the things from USB to the users home directory Mahesh Deshpande Tel 09322034838

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Lord of the Code............
by Gaurav Mishra 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi all, Could anyone suggest me some projects for the lord of code, purely based on pyqt......., any suggestions will be helpful, any remarks won`t .. :) -- "Smooth Sea Never makes a Skilled Mariner" Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.modblog.com

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Alan Cox Lifetime Achievement Award
by Venkatesh Hariharan 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Alan Cox, sometime maintainer of the Linux Kernel and well-known open source advocate, picked up a lifetime achievement award at the LinuxWorld awards in London on Wednesday night. Picking up the award in front of a rapturous crowd, Cox stressed the strength of open source development. "Open source works because we all walk the path together," Cox said. "Whether the path is hard or easy, if you have OK people at your back anybody can walk any path." http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39226539,00.htm

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 19:57, Satish Alwani wrote: > You can actually disable the net connection, by removing the > route.. this works on windows and linux > in windows... removing the route will close the connection to the > modem That will only disable / prevent your box from connecting to the internet akin to removing the lan cable from the modem. The "modem" stays connected and logged in to mtnl. Hence it mtnl (in their infinite wisdom) will continue to bill u during non billing hours. > and you can disable the pppoe connection from the modem when > not in use in linux.. ifdown the eth interface and disable the > pppoe connection from the modem when not in use Once u disable your network u have no access to the modem (i dont use the usb connection). rgds jtd

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] clarification
by Vickram Crishna 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

At 7:51 PM +0530 6/10/05, Hardik Dalwadi wrote: >On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:11 PM, Guru prasath wrote: >>> Might be Linux, Apache, MySQL Perl/Python/PHP ;) >>> >>>> Anurag >> >> >> This is correct. >> >Might be Linux Animation Movie Player. ;) >Chech this link <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP> A LAMP whose light is murky.....? -- Vickram

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solution for connectivity
by Ramang G 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Dear All, We have 30 branch offices situated in the radius of 150kms. we plan to connect to all the branches (have 2 pcs) for file transfer. what will be best option for connection all the branches to our Head office. All the branch offices have a phone connection and dialup modem. Will PPTP will be of use? or any other VPN is of use? regards, Raman. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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MTNL Triband
by Satish Alwani 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

You can actually disable the net connection, by removing the route.. this works on windows and linux in windows... removing the route will close the connection to the modem and you can disable the pppoe connection from the modem when not in use in linux.. ifdown the eth interface and disable the pppoe connection from the modem when not in use Satish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 15:26, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > >Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. > > downloaded some stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the > > phone line away from the > > Don't you mean 20-30kbps ? if not which plan and what medication > is your machine on :) 25 to 27 KBps (Kilo Bytes / sec) which translates to 26*8 kbps (kilo bits / sec). > > Also since you have to switch on and off the modem, can it be > automated to login at say 12:15 and log out before 8 for the NUbies > ? Gishu Can be done with some telnet scripts which will make the modem reboot. But u cant switch it off without putting in some hardware btwn the modem psu and the modem. Will be doing it in the next few days (particularly after reading the billing nightmares). Will keep all posted. Today the register.mtnl.net.in site is down. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] solution for connectivity
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 15:01, Ramang G wrote: > Dear All, > > We have 30 branch offices situated in the radius of > 150kms. we plan to connect to all the branches (have 2 > pcs) for file transfer. what will be best option for > connection all the branches to our Head office. All > the branch offices have a phone connection and dialup > modem. > > Will PPTP will be of use? or any other VPN is of use? PPTP is about as secure as a lock with attached key. Use a proper vpn like freeswan. Ofcourse on a dialup internet connection u can have better speed with a bicycle. BTW what exactly are u trying to achiev. Alternately u can have a ras with multiple input lines and have your branches dial in. Will give u speeds of 9600 bps. Ok for trivial work. The minimal setup u require is 64kbps isdn lines. rgds jtd

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clarification
by Ramang G 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Hi all, Can I know the difference between Dynamic web page and Static web page? regards, Ram __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

>Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. downloaded some >stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the phone line away from the Don't you mean 20-30kbps ? if not which plan and what medication is your machine on :) Also since you have to switch on and off the modem, can it be automated to login at say 12:15 and log out before 8 for the NUbies ? Gishu

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Fetchmail Multiple copy
by Ramang G 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Dear All, I am running Red Hat Fedora Core 4. We have a pop server in which aliases is enabled, Using fetchmail we download mails from single real account say "general" and distribute to users locally. I use Postfix as my MTA with default config. My fetchmail config below poll xyz.com proto pop3 localdomains test.linux.com no dns envelope "Delivered-To" user "general" password "xxx" is * here it works fine, but when I mark copy to other users, they get multiple copies of mail. How do i solve this issue? thanks in advance, Raman. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 13:44, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > >> Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank > >> graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. > > > >i sometimes wonder on whose side you are :-) Ahem! i am not sure either. After all according to some learned scientists we are (I am) mostly not consious. > > He's against all the profit monging capitalist swines ;) Actually i am against all the lies that go into slick marketing. Making fat profits does not make much difference as long as all the profits are kept in circulation. If turn around time was zero and there are no currency barriers u would spend your profit (loss) the instant u earned it. Transiting from an economy of infinite shortages to one of infinite surpluses is anthema to current corporations. And who cares if a few irritants like morals, individual rights etc are stomped upon. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

>> Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank >> graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. >i sometimes wonder on whose side you are :-) He's against all the profit monging capitalist swines ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 06 Oct 2005 9:32 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > You do get exactly the above - a formal warranty for fixing bugs > > that can be reproduced by a well defined set of conditions - when > > you purchase hardware & software from good vendors.And you fix > > the cpu-ram-mobo-whatever problem by making customised products > > defined to do just what u specified. People who need such things > > - petrochem, pharma industry, defence, medical electronics - pay > > fat sums for the privelege. > > ahh. this is what i mean. Why cant a quality conscious team > developing a foss app aspire to this? Just because some companies > give crappy warranties that warranty nothing it doesnt mean that > open source developers should follow suit. Not at all. The opensource developer is giving "everbody" an opportunity to define his conditions and warranty the software, mundanely referred to as SLAs and AMCs :-). You could test some combo, warranty it and sell it. M$ is desperately trying to do the same with their stuff. The poor sods who plugged M$ crap to businesses will now be cut out of the loop, cause only M$ can provide fixes. Ditto (almost) for RH / Novell / IBM / HP. > > ppl would be willing to pay fat sums to us too for the priveledge. Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Wednesday 05 October 2005 21:19, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 05/10/05 17:25 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 Oct 2005 5:08 pm, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > > Go ahead. Software developers will issue warranties only in > > > cases where they know and control the entire state of program > > > execution. You can't complain if a car refuses to run under > > > water and it was never advertised as doing so. If it fails > > > under a set of controlled conditions, the manufacturer is > > > liable. Multitasking operating systems just aren't controlled > > > environments. > > > > spose i gave a warrantee like: warranteed to work with > > > > os distro x version y > > apache version x > > python version x > > wxpython version x > > No. You have to guarantee exactly what is running on the CPU. And > you need the exact same model of CPU. If you CPU switches registers > too early, too late, has a few cycles more, the guarantee is void. > You would want something like kernel version x.y.z, glibc a.b.c, > apache version x with compile time flags C,O,M,P.I,L,E running with > priority X and every file matching MD5 hashes...., and running on > CPU <foo> over motherboard <bar> with hard disk model M from vendor > v with firmware version F.v, etc running no other programs > (including interactive shells)... > > > and that the defect complained off should be demonstrated on my > > box with the above setup? (this is just a rough idea, to be > > refined before we issue the GPW) > > This is about what you get currently. If a bug can be reproduced, > it can be fixed. Just no formal warranties. You do get exactly the above - a formal warranty for fixing bugs that can be reproduced by a well defined set of conditions - when you purchase hardware & software from good vendors.And you fix the cpu-ram-mobo-whatever problem by making customised products defined to do just what u specified. People who need such things - petrochem, pharma industry, defence, medical electronics - pay fat sums for the privelege. Now try fixing your problem running some closed program on your defined-to-the-last-solder-joint-hardware. Even M$ gives you the source for windows CE - even a mad man wont touch it otherwise. Which only goes to show how much faith they have in the drivel they dish out in their ads and PR.Libre software makes no assumptions and tells u point blank. I dont see a problem with that. The author of the bbc article is cunning (or clueless ?), while pretending to take issue with all software merrily goes on to make idiotic pronouncements about libre software which truthfully states facts. Someone gifts u a pen and says it's great for signing. You sign a check without enough dough in the bank and get clobbered in court. So sue the pen gifter for inducing you to sign checks without educating you in law, commerce, economics etc. fater all he told u it's great for signing. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

*snip* Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility >1.What 64bit architecture are you on? (AMD or INTEL). AMD Sempron 2500+ >2.What kind of HDD are you using (SATA or IDE) IDE >3.What OS are you looking for a 64bit or a 32bit OS (64bit processors are >compatable with 32bit OS's). Actually a Linux OS that runs with all my devices (dual boot with win2k) >4.Do you have a DVDRom? Yup. but on another machine. I tried getting Knoppix (smaller download) yesterday from http://www.applia.fr/contents/knoppix64.html. But the download links don't work

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

*snip* >Fedora supports a huge range of hardware including 64 bit machines. I am on >AMD 64 and ASUS K8N mobo, and everything works just great, out of the box, >including the LAN card. Please specify your mobo and LAN card model. If you My Mobo is ASUS K8SMX and the lan card is the one onboard Don't get me started on distro wars here. If everything is open and available for investigation, I don't see how distros are so apart...can't see some devices which are auto-detected by knoppix or suse (my picks). What happened to that myth of 'reuse' and 'not reinventing the wheel'. Debian is solid on M/C A but on M/C B it won't install stating some stupid modprobe failure. It boots from the CD and then says can't mount cdrom midway What is even comical is that it is the moved drive from my other machine which has Debian installed from that very drive. See earlier posts for my rants on both Fedora FC4 and Debian 3.1 Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by Aveek Bhattacharya 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

It must be kept in mind that it is very unfair (to put it mildly) to expect free (as in beer, if not speech) software to come with a warranty. One cannot expect a certificate of quality and terms of warranty for software developed by volunteers. However, when I buy some software (let's not get technical on whether I buy the software or a licence), it is quite reasonable to expect that the software developers give some sort of quality assurance (warranty or otherwise). Aveek Bhattacharya M.Tech., Electrical Engineering, IIT Bombay __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Yasar Curtay 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Hey .. i have used debian on my amd64 laptop.. everything works just fine. didnt see any problems. i just get a problem that is i cant get it to show how much battery is left. other then works great. and if you are lookin to download the amd64 os .. you can download the dvd .. i can burn and give the dvd to you. bye regards Yasar

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64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Hi, MTNL Triband is on and I am on the lookout for downloading a 64 bit OS. I need something that would help me get started without hassling me with inane device issues. (FC4 fails in trying to 'line discipline' my serial mouse and doesn't see my ASUS onboard lan card and Debian went modprobe -v ide-detect failed in installation) Back to 64-bit So I tried Knoppix, which seems to have only Live versions. Next on my favourites list was Suse, here 64 bit is only available as a DVD image. (Sadly no DVD writer... yet :) So in short my query/plea here is pls help me find a 64-bit Linux distro that will know how to work with all my peripherals (keyboard + mouse) and help me see 64 bit computing at work. The smaller the download the better, I won't use this for anything other than a File/Web server and to continue my exp with Ruby. Need a Gnome GUI though.. not that confident at Linux yet. Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Need a ip based SMB scanner
by BIJU KRISHNAN 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Hi, I would like info on a windows share scanner (something similiar to Xsharez or Legion on windows). Currently am using Smb4k, also tried a host of utilities like komba smbspider e.t.c but none of them help me list - machines with shares. For Ex. Smb4k is good but lists all machines in the network. I have to click on each to check if they have shares. In legion i just supply a range of ip's, say 10.12.88.2-254 and i get list of shares available on my LAN. Anything similiar to use on my tux would help. Regards, biju __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Spare computer without HDD
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Blooper - Common CPU :)) >Hi >I think the LTSP solution holds true if I have a spare monitor/mouse and >keyboard >Apparently I have only the CPU and no spare peripherals. Get a Video switch with mouse and keyboard inputs. (So Common Monitor,Keyb and Mouse and the Display port of each CPU is conn to the switch) Gishu -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

>> So in short my query/plea here is pls help me find a 64-bit Linux distro that will >> know how to work with all my peripherals (keyboard + mouse) and help me see >> 64 bit computing at work. The smaller the download the better, I won't use >> this for anything other than a File/Web server and to continue my exp with Ruby. >x86_64 SuSE 10.0 OSS is available on 5 CDs @ www.opensuse.org or it's >mirrors. Got it. Thanks. Unless anyone has any other tried-n-better distros, I'm on this.. Gishu

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[Reminder] Foss.in - Call for papers - 4 days left for speaker registration
by Vinayak Hegde 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Hi Luggers, FOSS.IN/2005 is an annual conference for the Indian FOSS community. Historically, FOSS.IN/2005 evolved out of the Linux-Bangalore conference series that ran between 2001 to 2004. This year, the scope of the conference is widened to cover free and open source in general, rather than limiting the focus to Linux alone. The four day conference intends to bring together the entire cross section of players in the FOSS scenario - users from different target communities, technologists, developers, educationists, businesses as well as policy makers. The theme for this year's conference is "Conversations". On the FOSS horizon, there are several efforts that are represented or addressed across the country. In, parallel, there are various technical discussions and dialogues that have happened at the earlier conferences and meetings and are expected to happen at this conference too. At FOSS.IN/2005, the focus would be to catalyze mutually beneficial interaction between the technologists and technology implementers (FOSS developers) and the end users, policy makers, educationists and industry. This focus would be in addition to the intent of enabling technology knowledge dissemination across the community through talks and/or demonstrations. The call for participations has been out for quite some time now. You can see the Call for participation @ http://foss.in/2005/cfp/ A list of possible topics is available at http://foss.in/2005/topics/ --> Vinayak H ---- http://www.livejournal.com/users/vinayakh/ http://planet.foss.in

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] stable version of Linux
by Mrugesh Karnik 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Oh, Mohan's was a gmail address... I blindly hit send and then noticed that the email would go to him only, instead of the whole list! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 5, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] stable version of Linux To: Mohan Nayaka <mohansn(a)gmail.com> On 9/30/05, Mohan Nayaka <mohansn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hi > Your signature says > *********************************************** > Mrugesh Karnik > Registered Linux User #375243 > *********************************************** > > What does ' Registered Linux User ' mean? > AFAIK you do not have to register Linux like Microshit Windows. > Regards, > Mohan S N > Actually, that registration statement is not entirely true. Windows is **** with all those serial numbers and stuff. That certainly doesn't apply in Linux. But when it comes to Enterprise Linux, you have to register with Red Hat or SuSE to get updates. Mind you, afaiu, it doesn't matter where you got your copy of RHEL or SLES from. It is quite legal to download both of them from, say, bittorrent or something, because both are still GPL'd. Only, if you don't buy your copy from Red Hat or SuSE, you won't get any updates. Though like I said before, even if you didn't buy it, you can still register and get the updates. Updates are not free. Now, as for my signature, that is the result of registering at http://counter.li.org. I actually use this signature outside such Linux related mailing lists. I use this signature for all my other emails, just to let people know that I'm using Linux! I do my bit to help the community and Linux, any way that I can. :) -- |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mrugesh Karnik | Registered Linux User #375243 |-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Spare computer without HDD
by Ninad Bapat 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Hi I have a spare PC without HDD. It has a Celeron 500 64 mb ram 1810chipset and a ASUS 52X Cdrom drive.Does not support CD booting I also have a fully functional PC Pentium 2.4ghz, 256mb RAM, CDRand DVD combo drive, 845GVSR chipset, 2 40g HDD's used for daily needs What use can this diskless PC be put to in combination to the new one. Thanks Ninad

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Spare computer without HDD
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

>Hi >I think the LTSP solution holds true if I have a spare monitor/mouse and >keyboard >Apparently I have only the CPU and no spare peripherals. Get a Video switch with mouse and keyboard inputs. (So Common CPU,Keyb and Mouse and the Display port of each CPU is conn to the switch) Gishu

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multiple copes of mail
by Ramang G 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Dear All, My Mail server in DMail, even after changing the option to "Envelope-To" in my fetchmail.rc iam getting mutiple copies of mail. I am using Red Hat FC3. regards, Raman ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MTNL Triband
by Dinesh Joshi 04 Oct '05

04 Oct '05

On Sunday 02 October 2005 19:45, scrapo(a)saswatabanerjee.com wrote: > > Airtel broadband? Is there such a thing existing in mumbai? I dont > think so.... > > Airtel has introduced land lines and broadband 2 months ago. > > Regards > saswata Whoa. I haven't heard of Airtel landlines in Mumbai! I am talking about the suburbs. Are you sure they are in Mumbai? I have read a lot of good things abour Airtel DSL on broadbandforum.in and I really hope that they serve our area pretty soon... Cable isps suck big time!!! -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Problem while compiling openldap
by Vikrant Gaonkar 04 Oct '05

04 Oct '05

Good morning everyone. i am facing a small problem while installing openldap-2.0.17 through a tar ball on RHEL 3 and 4 while running make it gives me the following errors. Entering subdirectory libldbm make[2]: Entering directory `/home/vikrant/scripts/openldap-2.0.27/libraries/libldbm' cc -g -O2 -I../../include -I../../include -c -o ldbm.o ldbm.c ldbm.c: In function `ldbm_open': ldbm.c:329: warning: passing arg 2 of pointer to function from incompatible pointer type ldbm.c:329: warning: passing arg 4 of pointer to function makes pointer from integer without a cast ldbm.c:329: error: too few arguments to function make[2]: *** [ldbm.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/vikrant/scripts/openldap-2.0.27/libraries/libldbm' make[1]: *** [all-common] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/vikrant/scripts/openldap-2.0.27/libraries' make: *** [all-common] Error 1 where as if i install it through the rpm it works ok. can anyone tell me what is this problem all about. Tried searching it on net , but no luck. Also tried giving all the env options of CPPFLAGs etc while using configure but no luck. Regards Vikrant G __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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[Commercial] Linux Systems and Device Driver Training from Experienced Professionals
by Concepts 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hello All, Thanks for overwhelming response. We are pleased to announce a new batch of Linux System and Kernel Programming from Saturday, 08th Oct. 2005. Concepts Systems is Pune based Training Consultancy having expertise in core systems. Concepts already has many leading software companies like Oracle India, IFlex, KPIT Cummins etc. as its clients. Systems Technology Experts having Industry exposure forms backbone of Concepts Training Division. Concepts Systems has remarkable history of guiding projects in core systems. Concepts sponsored projects have been doing very well at various software competitions having won the Prizes at IIT Techfest, MIT, Modern, VIT etc. Course Highlights: Linux System Programming: - Operating Systems Basics - System Calls for I/O - Multithreading and Synchronization - Interprocess communication - Memory Management - Memory mapped files - UNIX/ POSIX files and File Systems - Pipes Detail syllabus is available at http://www.conceptssys.com/SyllabusPdf/LinuxSysPro.pdf Linux Kernel Programming - Intel x86 Fundamentals - Linux Kernel source tree - Character, Block device drivers - Memory Management - System Call hooking - Kernel Threading and synchronization - Virtual File System driver Detail syllabus is available at http://www.conceptssys.com/SyllabusPdf/LDD.pdf Starting Date: Saturday, 08th October 2005 Duration: 2.5 months Timings: Saturday and Sunday 09:30 PM 12:00 PM Venue: Concepts Systems, 3rd Floor, Nirmal Complex, Nr. Vanaz Corner, Paud rd., Kothrud, Pune 411038. Registration: We encourage you to register at the earliest since there are limited seats. If you have any queries feel free to call us on 020-25381126. Thanks & Regards, Vasudha B., Course Coordinator, vasudha(a)conceptssys.com Concepts Systems Educational Services Division Nirmal Complex, Nr. Vanaz Corner Pune - 411038 Maharashtra, India. www.conceptssys.com Phone: +91-020-2538 1126 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Fedore Core 4 CDs
by Shiva N 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hello, I badly need Fedora Core 4 CDs... Anybody can help me? I am located at Andheri (E). Regards, N Shiva

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[OT] MTNL Triband
by Dinesh Joshi 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hi list, I heard some of my friends talking that MTNL might be introducing completely unlimited packages (no download/upload limits) for their Triband connections. They may cost between 900 bucks to 1000. Any inside info on this? I am really tired of these cable ISPs (yes, reliance powersurfer too. they have been having tremendous down time in my area). According to my friends they were supposed to introduce this offer(s) 2nd October or so but they pushed it back until the 10th or so. I am highly skeptical of what I was told by my friends. But nevertheless being a human afterall I have hopes from MTNL. Atlast we may have a REAL broadband connection and no hassles of bills since they will be charging a flat fee - no matter what the usage :) Hopefully yours, -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Fedora Core 4
by Komal 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

Hello, I choose FC4's full installation option and removed localization and internalization stuff.But FC4 is not installing all the packages. For example anaconda is not instilling Swat. Is it bug with FC4? Thank you Regards, Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MTNL Triband
by Sanket Medhi 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:45:00 0530, scrapo(a)saswatabanerjee.com < scrapo(a)saswatabanerjee.com> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> > Subj: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MTNL Triband > Date: Sun 2 Oct 2005 16:32 > Size: 554 bytes > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > On Sunday 02 October 2005 10:05, Vinayakam Murugan wrote: > > A person from Airtel Broadband had visited our place to take > > permission for installing their digital boxes which will be used for > > their phone and broadband connection. He was mentioning that they are > > planning to offer unlimited download / upload at Rs 350/-. However > > without anything on paper, that sounds highly improbable. > > Airtel broadband? Is there such a thing existing in mumbai? I dont think > so.... > > Airtel has introduced land lines and broadband 2 months ago. > > Regards > saswata > > > -- > Dinesh A. Joshi > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > LOL! Check this link!!! http://broadbandforum.in/Problem-t2684.html -- Regards, Sanket Medhi, sanketmedhi [at] gmail.com <http://gmail.com>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MTNL Triband
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

-----Original Message----- From: Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> Subj: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MTNL Triband Date: Sun 2 Oct 2005 16:32 Size: 554 bytes To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> On Sunday 02 October 2005 10:05, Vinayakam Murugan wrote: > A person from Airtel Broadband had visited our place to take > permission for installing their digital boxes which will be used for > their phone and broadband connection. He was mentioning that they are > planning to offer unlimited download / upload at Rs 350/-. However > without anything on paper, that sounds highly improbable. Airtel broadband? Is there such a thing existing in mumbai? I dont think so.... Airtel has introduced land lines and broadband 2 months ago. Regards saswata -- Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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(Commercial) - Java programmers
by Nikhil Parva 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

Greetings, We are interested in hiring Java programmers (preferred RDBMS- mysql/oracle) with two years experience. The remuneration will be at par with industry standards and include working on offshore projects. Please contact with your latest resume at fmlit(a)fleetship.com. Best regards, Nikhil

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[INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

The subject header should be MisINFO Typical M$ shit. "One argument against product liability for software is that it would destroy the industry by placing unacceptable costs on developers, and that it would wipe out the open source movement in its current form since there is no way an organisation like the Mozilla Foundation could distribute Firefox for free under those terms. But if a system is unjust then it should not be supported, and an unwillingness to strip undeserved privileges from a group, however noble their cause, is not sufficient reason to maintain the current dispensation." He forgets that closed software vendor liability is zero (they use a doc known as EULA to tell u this) and u pay a fat sum for it. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

-----Original Message----- From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com Subj: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities. Date: Sun 2 Oct 2005 10:35 Size: 800 bytes To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> The subject header should be MisINFO Typical M$ shit. "One argument against product liability for software is that it would destroy the industry by placing unacceptable costs on developers, and that it would wipe out the open source movement in its current form since there is no way an organisation like the Mozilla Foundation could distribute Firefox for free under those terms. But if a system is unjust then it should not be supported, and an unwillingness to strip undeserved privileges from a group, however noble their cause, is not sufficient reason to maintain the current dispensation." He forgets that closed software vendor liability is zero (they use a doc known as EULA to tell u this) and u pay a fat sum for it. Actually he is complaining against closed source / proprietory software. He said that some people raise the matter of open-source to stop moving to software liability. And his argument is valid. Even open source has to be ready to take responsility for the code they right. I remember being told how debian tests every package thoroughly before putting it in stable version. That is the correct way to work. Saswata rgds jtd -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[INFO] Software Liabilities.
by Rony Bill 01 Oct '05

01 Oct '05

An interesting article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4294388.stm Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Upgrading to tomcat 5.5
by Karia Amit 01 Oct '05

01 Oct '05

Hi all, I want to integrate tomcat 5.5 with apache. I alreday have tomcat version 3.2 i jst want to upgrade tomcat version to 5.5 i have jdk 1.4 and servelts installed kindly guide me. I have been googleing and getting help. still would like to get help from you ppls if any of you have done the same in past 'SKY MAY BE LIMIT FOR SOME ONE , BUT SKY LIMITS ME' Thanks & regards Amit Karia

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