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gpl3 in the offing
by Trevor Warren 15 Aug '05

15 Aug '05

FYI. Its time for the geeks to get back to the discussion table. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1847826,00.asp Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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a very old slideshow on the open development model
by Trevor Warren 15 Aug '05

15 Aug '05

Morning Fellas, Was browsing through businessworld.com and found a very old slideshow on the development aspects of OpenSource/FreeSoftware. Wonderfully done with decent illustrations and above a very useful link that can be integrated into your FLOSS marketing campaign. http://images.businessweek.com/mz/05/05/linux/linux01.htm Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Downloading Knoppix in Sify Broadband
by Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul 14 Aug '05

14 Aug '05

Hello Friends, I just wanted to share wat im doing right now...May sound crazy..But experts here may give me some advice tats why im writing this... I started downloading knoppix on sunday morning(08:08:05) with my sify broadband connection...But till afternoon i could download only 12% of the total download using the Firfox browsers inbuilt download manager after which i had a power shut down :( So i had to restart the download from 0% again in the evening,Some one in one of the yahoo chat rooms suggested me to use "FlashGet" to download knoppix,So till yesterday nite i was able to download 15% of it...Again today morning i started it,Its still downloading :D Whn i just look back,I feel wat im doing is quite funny or indeterminable...I didnt know any other way to get it,Im put up in chennai...I don't have any friends having knoppix CD in here....Im still continuing this thing here.... Kindly tell me any other alternatives....Coz the only way i felt like getting is this one.. :( Thanks a lot for patiently reading.... Regds, Gokul

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Sharing Internet
by neel s Gurjar 14 Aug '05

14 Aug '05

Hi, I have install RH 9 on one of my computer. I could connect Internet through Reliance Mobile. Now I could share browsing by squid. Now I want to share mail also. How can I allow client computers to check their pop3 mail by using Netscape Messanger or Mozilla Messenger ? Please reply Neelesh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Maharashtra signs MOU with M$
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 14 Aug '05

14 Aug '05

On Friday 12 August 2005 20:34, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > FLOSS is often concerned with doing things right rather than doing > it quick and cheap. And invariably doing it right translates to quick and cheap. The prop software companies will con u by fixing the metrics while measuring costs. Eg. defining the life of a product to be three yrs. with a unlearning curve of 1yr (because of users learned behaviour) for floss, the saving are realized over only two yrs, whereas the product usage of even M$ is well over 5yrs. In the case of governments there is something far more relevant which increases the cost exponentially - life of data. Think land records - infinite life, Income tax 12yrs (afaik), criminal records 30yrs. Put your data in anything other than an unecumbered (free as in beer, non patented, open) format and u have screwed everybody. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 28, Issue 38
by Ramang G 14 Aug '05

14 Aug '05

--- linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:00:59 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple copies ( my postfix > settings) > > On Friday 12 Aug 2005 10:55 am, Ramang G wrote: > > Dear Mr. Kg, > > > > My postfix settings are as follows: > > > > queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix > > command_directory = /usr/sbin > > daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix > > mail_owner = postfix > > myhostname = test.xyz.com > > mydomain = xyz.com > > myorigin = $myhostname > > inet_interfaces = all > > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, > > localhost, $mydomain > > mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 > > in the fiirst place, why do you keep making a new > thread every time > you post? > secondly, you seem to have the same domain name on > your local machine > as the domain name on the remote server. Is this so? > please reply to > this point first and then we can go on to the next > thing. please do > not start a fresh thread. > -- > regards > kg Dear Mr.Kg, Yes I have the same domain name as the machine name. regards, Raman. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Querry about Reliance Internet
by neel s Gurjar 13 Aug '05

13 Aug '05

Hi I have FC 3 on My PC And Reliance Internet Kit on LG RD 2030 Mobile. How I can install it on FC 3 Please Help Neelesh

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Gentoo Linux + KDE 3.4 + Nokia 3650 + Bluetooth
by Mrugesh Karnik 13 Aug '05

13 Aug '05

Hello folks, As mentioned in the subject, I have Gentoo Linux 2005.0 running KDE 3.4.2. I happen to have a Nokia 3650 phone. For a long time, I've wanted to be able to transfer images, videos etc from the phone to my Linux box and vice-versa via Bluetooth. I tried to get this setup working a few days ago and found success. If anyone is interested in how I managed this, tell me so and I'll post the entire thing here. Regards, Mrugesh Karnik

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Cyberoam trouble...
by dushyant sharma 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi, I am having trouble with the 'GenLincRC', the website at: http://puggy.symonds.net/~ashish/projects/genlincrc.html I have made the file lincrc I cannot get the authinfo can u pls help. Thanx Regards Dushyant.Sharma Linux Rocks:)

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google.com/linux
by Puneet Lakhina 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

HI all, does anybody have any idea how google.com/linux <http://google.com/linux>search restricts the search to linux specific sites.. does it use keywords related to linux and automatically checks if any one of them is there in the page.. and if anybody has used it effectively what sort of value add does it offer over the normal search.. i mean wat places does it help the most... Thank you, Puneet

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auto delete email
by Boskey 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi , Is there a way to auto delete mails from mbox after they are X days old? The MTA we are using is Sendmail. Tried google, but did not get much.. Regards, Boskey

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Need help with converting a wave file to mp3 using LAME...
by Rishi 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi I have a wave file with this format. REC02.WAV: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, IMA ADPCM, mono 8000 Hz When I try to convert it using lame, it gives this error Warning: corrupt or unsupported WAVE format Assuming raw pcm input file Any ideas how to get lame to recognize this format? Regards -- Rishi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Maharashtra signs MOU with M$
by Vickram Crishna 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

At 1:35 PM +0530 12/8/05, Anand M R wrote: > > So just cause MS software is inferrior and we choose >> to use alternatives we have no right to enforce our >> decision on others. I am not trying to make a case for >> MS or for not purchasing RH. My point is that >> companies like MS have far more $$$ to throw about and >> bait the ministers/beaureaucrats than most of the >> other teeny-meeny FLOSS companies. And this is what it >> takes to buy a deal of this size. > > > >Everyone wants to make money, no doubt and they should, how else >will the economy progress? Two very interesting points, but fortunately both have their answers floating around here and there on the net. The first is that even FLOSS can be expensive, and so why should the government be put in the position of having to choose between two (probably foreign) vendors? One significant answer that even a minister (and yes, even a minister of the apparent education and learning of Arun Shourie) should realise that our tech advances are nearly all commercial, with very few based on a defensible leadership position. It is product orientation, sadly lacking in the larger part of Indian IT business - and in product orientation I include application services and everything else that can be more or less slotted into that definition - which can be supported by (not exclusively, but someone has to make a serious start) government focus on FLOSS. The future economic benefits will be hard to dispute. The second answer is about making money, at the cost of doing well, life-wise. I saw this very funny email joke about how the US, with its wildly consumerist life-style, is said to be a strong economy, while Japan is sick, and China is out of it, naturally. The trade balance between Japan and the US favours Japan by some 3 trillion USD, and China by 5 trillion. Whatever. Logical answer is borrow wildly and spend like crazy - just find some poor idiot country like Japan whose national propensity to save is so high that they have to look around for countries to indebt themselves too, they have so much of the green stuff coming out of their ears. Point being, don't fall too easily for the nostrum that the economy progresses because some people who are a part of it are making money. -- Vickram

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Maharashtra signs MOU with M$
by Rai, Vivek BGI UK 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

> What drives such MOU's anand dear is not what is > more economical for the coffers of the motherland but > rather what the government gets in return for working > along with MS. > So just cause MS software is inferrior and we choose > to use alternatives we have no right to enforce our > decision on others. I am not trying to make a case for > MS or for not purchasing RH. My point is that > companies like MS have far more $$$ to throw about and > bait the ministers/beaureaucrats than most of the > other teeny-meeny FLOSS companies. Was just wondering, what if linux users group from india join hands, and do a PIL (public interest litigation) in some higher court, petioning to force government departments to use commercial, non-open source software only if there is no cheaper alternative available. This may appear far fetched, but that the the only resort a citizen has. And we have many precedences. Look at the previous cases such as enforcing CNG based commercial vehicles in Delhi or Lucknow or whereever else. These were the right decisions to take, but an elected government in India would have never taken. These were enforced by the judiciary upon the governments, and was driven by the citizens like you and me. > And the Software from > Novell-SuSE or RedHat isnt any more cheaper. Try > purchasing a box of RHEL WS and lemme know the best > deal you will get from RedHat India. > I dont think that is true. While commercial GNU/Linux vendors may not be providing their box packs for free, the box packs contain much more than the operating system. For an organization using MS on 100 computers, Microsoft will sell you a license for 100 users and probably charge for 100 copies. You can always buy/download just 1 copy of your favorite Linux Distro, and make as many copies as you want to. You also get the full office suit, developer suits, and other useful utilities. Try getting a quote for MS professional edition with the office suite. > > Why talk about the governments faulty decisions to > spend its rupaiya on Crappy commercial S/W. What about > the total lack of infrastructure around the country > and the basic denial of essential commodities to every > human being within our borders. Lets first address the > more important issues at hand. Arguing about the > governments adoption of FLOSS is not going to take us > anywhere. There are far more important issues to > tackle. No one is claiming that FLOSS is suddenly going to solve all our problems in the coming years. But if Maharastra government is buying 10,000 copies of Windows MS to do word processing and email and browsing tasks, and lets say spending 10,0000 per copy, it had already WASTED 100 MILLION (10 crore) Rupees. 10 crore rupees going out of this country needlessly. 10 Crore rupees that may have been more wisely spent on infrastructure projects, or whatever. And thats just the initial cost, you grow up training a new generation who just learn MS, and would buy more MS when they grow up. >

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Forward DNS request to ISP
by vaibhav samant 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hello, I have setup a Linux proxy on FC2 with wvdial for internet connection over modem. I have about 5 differenet ISP dialup accounts & depending on connectivity, I keep juggling between the ISPs. The problem is, whenever I swicth the ISP, I have to change the DSN IPs on the desktop too. If I put my Proxy Server's IP address as the DNS on the desktop, then I will not have to keep changing the DNS values on the desktop. Is there any simple way to forward DNS queries (recd from the desktops) to the ISP's DNS Server (allotted dynamically for every connection)? Alternately is it not possible for server (i guess squid) to do all the resolving business and let the desktop live in peace.... Advice / suggestions / pointers are welcome. Vai

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Multiple copies ( my postfix settings)
by Ramang G 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Dear Mr. Kg, My postfix settings are as follows: queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix mail_owner = postfix myhostname = test.xyz.com mydomain = xyz.com myorigin = $myhostname inet_interfaces = all mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 regards, Ram. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows cellphone (OT)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Windows ce on the intellekt 200 is as bad as the rest of the crap that M$ makes. The phone hung and locked solid. I had to remove the battery to get it working. They forgot to provide a reset switch. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows cellphone
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

On Thursday 11 August 2005 15:14, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > w00t. Linux on a cellphone! Please do let me know how it goes. I > have heard of Linux PDAs and stuff but installing your own flavor > of Linux on a cellphone is rare. There are several cellphones with linux. They are actually cellphone form factor with pda functions or vice versa. There are already linux ports for omap 510 and a cell distro for omap 710. rgds jtd

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Multiple copies
by Ramang G 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Dear All, We have a pop server and forwarding is enabled, and I use fetchmail to downlaod the mails to my local box. The fethmail settings are: poll xyz.com proto pop3 localdomains mydomain.com no dns envelope "Delivered-To" password secret is * here I am able to download and distribute mails, the problem is when marking CC I ger multiple copies of mail. How do I solve this issue? Thanks in advance.. Ram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[OT] Re: [OT] Com Port Issue (Kenneth Gonsalves)
by Vickram Crishna 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

At 6:23 AM +0530 11/8/05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >On Wednesday 10 Aug 2005 10:08 pm, Rony Bill wrote: >> I am in a fix what to believe. > >upload the mouse to the list - we will check out (list admin please, >pretty please, let this one attachment throught) Thank god for genuine humour sans nasty personal cracks on this list at last! -- Vickram

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Windows cellphone
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

I am the owner of an IQ 200phone. I was gifted this abomination. It has windows ce. The processor is omap 510 a TI variant of ARM with dsp for cellphones. It is a nightmare to use. I suppose that is the windows standard. The hardware is good and would be put to good use if only i could load linux. I am ofcourse planning to do so but wanted to know if anyone on the list has this gizmo, so that i can get it working if things go wrong. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] C programming in the Linux environment
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] C programming in the Linux environment >> http://www.cb-india.com/new-dev/BookDetails.asp?BookID=BK00004813&PageRef=B… >But thats the second edition...The latest is the 3rd: >http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/productCd-0764544977,descCd-tableOfC… Ok then I suggest you get this book 'The Time Machine' - HG Wells. Build it and go into India 2010, get it and fly back :) Another saner way would be to write to cbs(a)vsnl.com with a request. If you are lucky and have about 2K to spend, u might get it. (I am assuming no Indian Edition.. coz we don't read) This is a overgrown pet peeve, so pls min the sharp edge of my cynicism... Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] C programming in the Linux environment
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

>the Beginning Linux Programming. I had just one question, where do I >purchase it from? Do we have an eastern economy edition for the same? http://www.cb-india.com/new-dev/BookDetails.asp?BookID=BK00004813&PageRef=B… Gishu

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How to use multidrop?
by Ramang G 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Hi all, Forwarding is enabled in my pop server all the mails to my domain will come to this pop emial ID sample(a)xyz.com. Using fetchmail I will download all the mails to my local server, Please tell me how will I distribute the mails to the local users. How do i use multidrop in my fetchmail? I use Postix as MTA, Thanks in Advance, Bye Ram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Courier IMAP on Suse 8
by aashish kunte 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Dear Linuxers, I am facing some problems with my Courier IMAP, While starting /usr/courier/bin/imapd it shows linux:/usr/courier/bin # ./imapd start INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1], protocol=IMAP chdir start: No such file or directory * BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: start: No such file or directory I have Suse 8 installed on my machine with openldap and courier-imap-2.1.2 ! What could be the done with this ? Mr. Chirag Radhakrishnan do you have any suggestions for this ? Thanks in advance. Regards, Aashish

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[OT] Optic Fibre Concepts
by Rony Bill 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Hello All, In the concrete jungles that we live in, the amount of natural daylight that is available to every room in our buildings is negligible. This results in full usage of electric lighting even during the daytime. Due to this, our electricity bills shoot up and the commercial establishments pay the maximum price for this. We all know that optic fibres can transport light over long distances and are flexible enough. A single optic fibre is too thin to transport a huge amount of light but suppose a whole bunch of optic fibres were used to form a... say one inch (or more) thick cable, then would it be possible to transport a high intensity of light through this cable? This needs to be experimented. If successful, then we can have a thick cable that runs from the terrace of the building to the room where the lighting is needed. The bright sunlight can be focused on the cable using parabolic reflectors or optical lenses. A transparent heat shield can be placed just before the cable starts, to absorb excess heat. At the receiving end, a special spherical glass unit with multiple miniature prisms can be used to evenly disperse the light like a bulb. For every 'bulb' there will be one cable. The cable will be flexible enough to be routed in a neat way. If this system works for even 50% to 60% of total office lighting, then this will mean a huge saving on electricity bills for commercial establishments as well as residences and will be a clean, maintainence-free source of day-light energy. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] what decides eth0, eth1 and so on?
by Arun K. Khan 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

> From: Harshal <p.harshal(a)gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:21:31 +0530 > hi, > i have machines here with 2 ethernet cards each. the card > that is inseted in the PCI Exp. slot always detected as eth0 and the > one onboard eth1 except on the machine where i have 3 NICs. there the > onboard gets eth0, PCI exp. NIC as eth1 and the last one inserted in > normal PCI slot as eth2. > > how does OS decides which card to call eth0 or so on? > In RedHat/Fedora (as well as their clones) you can use MAC address to bind eth0, eth1 etc. names to specific NIC. Useful when all the NICs use the same driver. Take a look at the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* scripts. HTH -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Com Port Issue
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

On Wednesday 19 December 2018 03:22, Mukund Deshmukh wrote: > On Wednesday 10 Aug 2005 12:15 am, Rony Bill wrote: > > port. Is he bluffing. Has anyone come across a mouse that damages > > a com port, works on a replacement board and damages that too in > > a few days? > > Not necessarily true, > > The com port carries a +12 volt and -12 volt signal. If they are > shot circuited in the mouse, the serial driver on mobo are bound to > get damaged. BTW all the rats (aka mouse) are not made equal -:)) Newer serial mice use only the rxd pin (data into the pc) for communication and the handshake outputs from the pc as their power source. If the serial driver on the mobo is unable to source sufficient current - they are not supposed to supply more than a few milliamps - it will burn out. Very old serial mice used power from the keybd din connector which is designed to supply about 100ma. rgds jtd

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] forwarders in named.conf
by vaibhav samant 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 Devdas Bhagat wrote : >On 09/08/05 14:59 -0000, vaibhav samant wrote: > > Is there anyway I can associate the DNS IPs alongside :FORWARDERS" in > > named.conf, with /etc/resolv.conf || /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf as the > > case might be ? > >Please wrap your mail at 76 characters. > >Why even bother to set forwarders? I would just let named hit the roots >directly. <snip> Can u explain "I would just let named hit the roots".... Thx. Vai

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What ports need to be masqueraded for VPN connections?
by Rishi 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hi We have a LAN with windows workstations connecting to the internet using a Linux router. Because of the viruses penetrating through internet explorer we've disabled Masquerading/NAT of the entire network and installed a proxy which does content filtering and virus scanning. However, a few windows workstations connect to a VPN. Does anyone know what ports need to be masqueraded for VPN connections? Thanks Regards Rishi

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Re: jukebox+remote+lcd integration on the mp3jukebox
by Rajesh Rajani 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hi Trevor, [snip] > Do point me to some docs/pdfs/sites i can read up >on this please. > >Trevor > Everything you wanted to know about the mini-itx but were afraid to ask. Look at the projects and the store. <http://www.mini-itx.com/> Apologies if this link has already been posted. Regards, Rajesh

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Knoppix Cd:Chennai
by Puneet Lakhina 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hi gokul, I have Ubuntu live CD n i live in vellore il be comin down to chennai on 20th or 21st.. In case u live near Kathipara area i can get a copy for you..n as afar as i think ubuntu is based on debian the true GNU/Linux.. Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Querry about Reliance Internet
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:42, SeekingGyan wrote: > On 10 Aug 2005 04:24:21 -0000, neel s Gurjar <ssnilu2001(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I have FC 3 on My PC And Reliance Internet Kit on LG RD 2030 > > Mobile. How I can install it on FC 3 > > ever bothered to google or check reliance site ? > http://www.google.co.in/search?q=using+reliance+lg+rd+2030+phone+on >+linux > > http://www.relianceinfo.com/Infocomm/Rim/rconnect_dc_linux.html > > i think there are some folks who use this without reliance sw too > but i m not certain pon with some mangling in /etc/chatscripts/provider here is mine for tataindcom. Will work with reliance too This chatfile was generated by pppconfig 2.0.10. # Please do not delete any of the comments. Pppconfig needs them. # # ispauth PAP # abortstring ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER ' ABORT DELAYED # modeminit '' 'ATZ AT+CRM=1;$LGPKT=3' # ispnumber OK-AT-OK ATDT#777 # ispconnect CONNECT \d\c # prelogin # ispname # isppassword # postlogin # end of pppconfig stuff

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[OT] Com Port Issue
by Rony Bill 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hello All, I am having a dispute with my mobo repairer. I gave him a board that had serial mouse problems. He is supposed to have exchanged it with a working one as the one I gave him had a defective com port that could not be repaired. I did not mark my board so I cannot verify if an actual exchange has taken place. The 'replaced' system worked for 4 days at the client's place and the com port got knocked out again. The repairer claims that it is the problem of the mouse thats knocking off the com port. Is he bluffing. Has anyone come across a mouse that damages a com port, works on a replacement board and damages that too in a few days? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working..
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 18:35, Anand M R wrote: > Cmon dude with the post u made we don't even know whether ur > running GNU/Linux in the first place. We?? u mean u. Most knowledgeable humans in our part of the universe know what distro i run. Grep the list archives and u will know too. But what has that got to do with your hydra head problem. Also everybody on this list knows the innards of a Dell xyz like the back of their hands.U rightly presumed they were born with two of em. And every species in the rest of the universe knew what distro u run no?. And would u by any chance like to know what hardware my os runs on? rgds jtd

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forwarders in named.conf
by vaibhav samant 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Is there anyway I can associate the DNS IPs alongside :FORWARDERS" in named.conf, with /etc/resolv.conf || /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf as the case might be ? Thank you in advance. Vai

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Cyberoam trouble...
by Dinesh Joshi 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Hi guys, My ISP, 7star, uses cyberoam client to authenticate its users. I was happily using linc-daemon to authenticate to my ISP's server. As fate would have it he upgraded it. Now it uses Cyberoam version 6.5.0.5. linc-daemon is unable to login :(. It does say "login sucessfull" but I am unable to connect to any websites. The same configuration was working fine before he upgraded. He wasn't very co-operative the last time I had enquired about getting his connection working on Linux. Plus he has this weird idea that Linux is a "hacker" (or cracker) OS. I am 100% sure that the configuration is correct. Nevertheless I tried I tried the client which is distributed by cyberoam. It doesn't work either. It says "You have successfully logged into xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" yet I can't connect to websites. It just get stuck after name resolution. As I said earlier I am 100% sure that there is no configuration problem. It is definitely due to some misconfiguration on the ISP's side or the protocol isn't supported by linc-daemon. Any help, suggestions are HIGHLY appreciated. I can't live without internet on Linux :( Regards Dinesh Joshi P.S.: Apologies if the formatting isn't ok on the email. I am stuck with Outlook Express and Windows...:(

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working..
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

>Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working.. >Apologies. I mistook your post for Arjun's. >And Dinesh's beer offer is helpful ;-). >Sorry once again Anand. >rgds >jtd what the ... Hey who is this and what did you do to jtd ;) or is it the beer speaking Gishu

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Forward DNS request to ISP
by vaibhav samant 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 Amitay Isaacs wrote : >On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 11:01 +0000, vaibhav samant wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have setup a Linux proxy on FC2 with wvdial for internet connection over modem. I have about 5 differenet ISP dialup accounts & depending on connectivity, I keep juggling between the ISPs. > > > > The problem is, whenever I swicth the ISP, I have to change the DSN IPs on the desktop too. > > > > If I put my Proxy Server's IP address as the DNS on the desktop, then I will not have to keep changing the DNS values on the desktop. > > > > Is there any simple way to forward DNS queries (recd from the desktops) to the ISP's DNS Server (allotted dynamically for every connection)? > > > > Alternately is it not possible for server (i guess squid) to do all the resolving business and let the desktop live in peace.... > > > > Advice / suggestions / pointers are welcome. > > > > Vai > >Most ISPs configure to send the DNS server information when you dial-up. >PPP supports dynamically updating /etc/resolv.conf with the information >received from ISP. I think the option is called "Auto DNS" in wvdial. >Make sure it is on. ------------- In my case the DNS entries are dynamically recd from the ISP and are available in /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf. But how will the desktops get this entry. I have the problem on the desktop side.... I am sure of one thing, the DNS Server IP on the desktop has to be the one of my Proxy Server. So the next question is, which / how to run a small DNS server / DNS proxy Server, which will fwd all DNS request recd from desktops to the ISP's DNS server, and feed the reply back to the desktops.... Thx. Vai

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Dual Head not working..
by Arjun Jain 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Hello everyone, I have a Dell Inspiron 5150 with 1 gig ram, and nvdia graphics card(details in the end). I am trying to configure a dual head single graphics card. The other monitor is a dell 1024x768 lcd display. The problem I am facing is that when i click on configure display and try to configure a dual head, the ok button does not respond. And, finally i need to click on cancel.. Any help will be appreciated. Details of my graphics card: ---------------------------------------------------------- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Dell: Unknown device 015f Flags: bus master, VGA palette snoop, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32,IRQ 209 Memory at fc000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [44] AGP version 3.0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks a lot in advance, Regards Arjun Jain -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arjun Jain, Development Engineer PI Corporation (http://picorp.com) http://arjun.notlong.com Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rvcelug/ -----------------------------------------------------------------

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[OT] Laptop price
by Akshay Dewan 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Hi, Does anyone know how much the "ACER 4152LMi" laptop or a similar HP/Dell/IBM model would cost? The configuration is as under: INTEL PENTIUM M PROCESSOR 740 (2MB L2 CACHE, 1.73 GHZ, 533MHZ FSB) MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP (eek) 60GB, 512MB DDR II, DVD DUAL DOUBLE LAYER, 15.0" XGA GRAPHICS MEDIA ACCELERATOR 900 UPTO 128MB, MODEM 10/100 LAN, 802.11 B/G WLAN BLUETOOTH, 6IN1 CARDREADER, DVI. (pls excuse the capital letters) I know this has nothing to do with linux, and I hope the [OT] in the subject line means "Off Topic" (I'm not sure, but I really need this info) -Akshay

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working..
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 15:35, Anand M R wrote: > > I was refering to Arjun's post, Apologies. I mistook your post for Arjun's. And Arjun has apologised already. And Dinesh's beer offer is helpful ;-). Sorry once again Anand. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Cyberoam trouble...
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 20:16, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > May be the NIC that I had didn't have that option. I was using > RTL8029 PCI while the newer ones i.e. RTL8139 PCI have that > option... There a dos utility with the driver floppy/cd that changes the mac on the board. All nics have a serial eprom on which the mac is written, and this can be changed. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] C programming in the Linux environment
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] C programming in the Linux environment >> The only book they have is Complete reference to C. >I'm facing the same problem. All I could get hold of was /Sams - Teach >yourself C for Linux Programming/ I got this from a search so no guarantess on this one.. the sales pitch para is quite good. I might get it for myself provided it's available here. Some chapters are online.. google it Title Running Linux, 4th Edition Author(s) Matt Welsh, Lar Kaufman, Terry Dawson, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer Publisher O'Reilly Publication Date December 2, 2002 Format Paperback Pages 692 ISBN 0596002726

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working..
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

>> no?. And would u by any chance like to know what hardware my os runs >> on? >> >> rgds >> jtd >> >I was refering to Arjun's post, man ur one very sensitive creature. >Someone says something and u immediately start shouting from the roof >tops. Hide the goats.. Troll on the loose

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cant get the via-itx for the embedded mp3 player
by Trevor Warren 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Morning Fellas, With inputs from the gurus on this ml and from Sherlock, i have decided to make use of the Via-ITX board for the MP3 player on which i will connect a 64MB IDE Flash for the Shrinked Operating System and an LCD Display along with a Remote via the serial/Paralell connectors. Have tried some contacts on lamington for the via-itx boards but can't get anywhere. Any links/nos/email addresses of pple who retail the via-itx eden/c3 boards?. Please do pass them on if possible along with contacts for the LCD Display and the Remote Controls too is possible. Is there a site from where these can be ordered?. Thanks, take care and a great weekend for all. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dual Head not working..
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 16:19, Arjun Jain wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks a lot Ankur. > > On 8/8/05, Anand M R <libld.so(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Does this look like the DELL support mailing list ?? > > > > Atleast tell us which distro ur using (we have not developed > > psychic powers as yet :P ) > > Well, I am using FC3. And FYKI, the distro doesnt really matter, > its the same problem with all of them. It does. Load a few and find out how. > Let's see without ur > psychic powers and with the distro name, how much of help u are. > > The aim of a such a mailing list is not to scare people away, but > to mutually share and help. I am sorry to say but it doesnt look > that way out here. Aha good u noticed. I was abt to reply. But having noticed that you noticed some things on the list not agreeable to your delicate constitution, i decided to refrain. How come u did not notice the lack of details in your own post. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GUI does not appear
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 09:54, hemendra jain wrote: > Dear Luggers, > After successful installation of PCQuest Linux7.1 only CLI mode > is available no GUI. Is there some Video Config settings I have to > check/make ? whats the driver in your xf86config. You will require via-agp module loaded in kernel and savage driver in your xf86config. rgds jtd

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GUI does not appear
by hemendra jain 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Dear Luggers, After successful installation of PCQuest Linux7.1 only CLI mode is available no GUI. Is there some Video Config settings I have to check/make ? Problem : GUI does not appear only CLI . Installaion : PCQuest7.1. H/W Config: Display Adapter : S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR Sound,Video &Games Adapter : VIA'97 Enhanced Audio Controller (WDM) Processor : P4 (1.5 Ghz) Mem : 256 MB Monitor : Proview Rgds, Hemendra

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 22:28, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 08/08/05 17:43 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > <snip> > > > if you want to relay mails from mydomain.com for example, you > > have to set up an smtp and pop server for mydomain.com, connect > > to the net through any isp and relay through your smarthost. Your > > isp will only relay mails from the > > id_they_have_given_you(a)yourisp.com > > Huh? ISPs need to check for valid senders. They can do this by > a) Requiring you to be in an IP block they control > b) Using POP before SMTP > c) Using SMTP Authentication > d) Using TLS AUTH It seems from trying to telnet that MTNL and VSNL require you to be on their network and POP before SMTP or use smtp auth. Afaik no TLS. So my smarthost sitting on MTNL adsl will send to you@yourisp thru me(a)smtp.mtnl.net.in via mysmarthost. But will it send to you@yourisp thru me(a)vsnl.com via mysmarthost. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Optic Fibre Concepts
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 09:09, Vasudeo P Kelkar wrote: > It seems to be a good concept. Though I am not an expert in this > area, I see few practical difficulties. Some auto mfg. already tried this out 5 yrs ago. It is very expensive to put in multiple lamps in an automobile. So they want to put their light in one bulb and distribute it to the relevant areas. But all the difficulties that u point out killed the idea. Besides u will have light in the day and none at night. So u will need all the current infratrucrure in place. And if i were a Reliance energy i would be stupid to supply u power in the night and nothing in the day. My entire project costing would go haywire. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 16:10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 08 Aug 2005 3:36 pm, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > does anyone know if MTNL permits relaying > > afaik no isp is going to allow relaying - you need your own smart > relay host That wont help (i think). You need to be on their network. They check the ip for smtp. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 12:32, Arun Khan wrote: > > From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:18:49 +0500 > > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working > > > > R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not > > reached for any host > > > > No mails are delivered outside via smarthost (mtnl.net.in) > > I have MTNL TriBand DSL and got the following: > $ telnet mtnl.net.in smtp > Trying 203.94.243.88... > telnet: connect to address 203.94.243.88: Connection > refused > > Perhaps, the smart host SMTP server is smtp.mtnl.net.in? With smtp.mtnl.net.in. i get Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out although dns resolves the name With vsnl i get a 521 error as they do not permit relay. does anyone know if MTNL permits relaying. rgds jtd

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[OT]Broad band options in Mumbai (Chembur Area)
by Ninad Bapat 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

Hi I am looking for a broadband connection in Chembur station area. My cable operator provides Hathway connection. But calling him and just enquiring about the same has been a pain. I dont know abt the connection Anybody who can help? Thanks and Regards Ninad

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problem with suse login
by Nilesh Shinde 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

hi all suse 9.1 gives the same login screen (after flickering for a sec) even after correct password What could be the prob and solution? bye -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 17:43, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 08 Aug 2005 5:16 pm, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Monday 08 August 2005 16:10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Monday 08 Aug 2005 3:36 pm, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > does anyone know if MTNL permits relaying > > > > > > afaik no isp is going to allow relaying - you need your own > > > smart relay host > > > > That wont help (i think). You need to be on their network. > > They check the ip for smtp. > > if you want to relay mails from mydomain.com for example, you have > to set up an smtp and pop server for mydomain.com, connect to the > net through any isp and relay through your smarthost. Your isp will > only relay mails from the id_they_have_given_you(a)yourisp.com Ok. Got it. Thanks. Had never setup a mail server before. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] jukebox+remote+lcd integration on the mp3jukebox
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 16:55, Trevor Warren wrote: > Afternoon Fellas, > > Am planning on booting me Via-ITX from 64MB of > flash with the OS in ReadOnly mode. The HDD for > storing the MP3's will be in RO mode too. Getting a > stripped down version of Gnu-Linux to run on the flash > will be the easiest part. lcdproc. quite straight forward except for the soldering of some wires. http://lcdproc.org/ Here is a dvr. http://www.cadsoft.de/people/kls/vdr/ http://home.pages.at/linux/dvb.html rgds jtd

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jukebox+remote+lcd integration on the mp3jukebox
by Trevor Warren 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Afternoon Fellas, Am planning on booting me Via-ITX from 64MB of flash with the OS in ReadOnly mode. The HDD for storing the MP3's will be in RO mode too. Getting a stripped down version of Gnu-Linux to run on the flash will be the easiest part. The issues which i am still trying to work out are about integration of a JukeBox with the Remote Controller and LCD Display. Am pretty blank about intgrating the LCD and Remote Controllers with Gnu-Linux via Serial/Paralell ports and providing hooks to the onboard JukeBox application. Do point me to some docs/pdfs/sites i can read up on this please. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:51, Anurag wrote: > Sometime on Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 06:18:49PM +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com said: > > I keep getting the following in the exim main.log > > > > R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not > > reached for any host > > > > No mails are delivered outside via smarthost (mtnl.net.in) > > Local deliveries are ok. > > MTNL's mail server not responding or refusing smtp connection. Is > that machine on mtnl's network? Nope. Tested out with one that was on mtnl network (dialup isdn). The name is smtp.mtnl.net.in and relaying is blocked. You need to pop before smtp. Google shows http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/06/msg02991.html rgds jtd

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dealers for the via itx
by Trevor Warren 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Fellas, For all those who would like to procure the Via-ITX based boards...read on. Priya seems to be the only one in bombay who stocks them. Ctc Sunil at 56663100 and get your ITX-Board and Cabinet from them. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Exim not working
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

I keep getting the following in the exim main.log R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host No mails are delivered outside via smarthost (mtnl.net.in) Local deliveries are ok. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Downloading Knoppix in Sify Broadband
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

>Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Downloading Knoppix in Sify Broadband *snip *snip >Kindly tell me any other alternatives....Coz the only way i felt like >getting is this one.. :( Get a book which has a Free CD bundled with your fave lin distrib Or If you are bent on having the entire and the latest set, see if BitTorrent helps.. Gishu

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Anyone got Kubuntu cd?
by Raj Shaz 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hi grp Anybody got kubuntu AMD64( the KDE-ubuntu ) im downloading it but i think with my d/w ate ill complete it in next 1 yr. lemme knoe if i can make a personal copy. Raj

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Forwarding
by Ramang G 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hi All, Forwarding is enabled in my pop server all the mails to my domain will come to this pop emial ID sample(a)xyz.com. Using fetchmail I will download all the mails to my local server, Please tell me how will I distribute the mails to the local users. Thanks in Advance, Bye Ram ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Downloading Knoppix in Sify Broadband
by Arun Khan 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

> From: Gokul Kannan Jeyapaul <jeygokul(a)gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:00:24 +0530 > Kindly tell me any other alternatives....Coz the only way i felt > like=20 > getting is this one.. :( > wget, curl, ncftpget are good CLI alternatives for large file downloads. They support continuance of downloads from previous session rather than starting all over again. -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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How do i interpret the LSPCI output
by BIJU KRISHNAN 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Dear Luggers, Could somebody elaborate on how i could interpret the lspci output, i want a simple explanation, i would say a quick ref. For example if somebody could interpret the below output and tell me in which PCI slot of my machine is the Accton LAN card. [root@bastion root]# lspci -tv -[00]-+-00.0 Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] +-01.0 Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] +-1e.0-[01]--+-01.0 Accton Technology Corporation EN-1216 Ethernet Adapter | \-0a.0 OPTi Inc. 82C861 +-1f.0 Intel Corp. 82801AA ISA Bridge (LPC) +-1f.1 Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE +-1f.3 Intel Corp. 82801AA SMBus \-1f.5 Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio Any links other than HOWTO's welcome. Thanks and Regards, biju __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is Microsoft paying the Times of India
by Arun Khan 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

> From: Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:04:11 -0700 (PDT) > -- Nikhil Marathe <nsm.nikhil(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Have you ever realized how TOI seems to favour Windows a lot. snip ... > I really don't see the the wisdom or compulsion in subscribing to the > TOI when > you have fine papers such as Indian Express or Asian Age available. I used to subscribe to Asian Age until I found that their web site insists on MSIE as the browser. I wrote to the editor explaining to him that many other sites running IIS (incl. Microsoft) do not have any problems displaying their content in Firefox running on Linux OS, that Firefox and many other browsers support HTML4.01, CSS2 and JavaScript. This was a few months ago; I never received a reply. -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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Root partition doesn't unmount on poweroff
by Akshay Dewan 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hi everyone, I'm running Ubuntu 5.04 on my machine. When I poweroff the machine from a terminal or by pressing the "power" button, the root partition doesn't unmount cleanly and it checks the drive for errors on restarting. This *dosen't* happen when I poweroff from GDM or from Xfce. Can anyone help me with this? I use the commands like "sleep <time> && poweroff" very often, so it gets annoying when fsck runs on startup. (the filesystem is ext2). Also, /home is another (ext2) partition, but there are no problems unmounting /home. Thanks, -Akshay

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working
by Arun Khan 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

> From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:18:49 +0500 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Exim not working > R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not > reached for any host > > No mails are delivered outside via smarthost (mtnl.net.in) I have MTNL TriBand DSL and got the following: $ telnet mtnl.net.in smtp Trying 203.94.243.88... telnet: connect to address 203.94.243.88: Connection refused Perhaps, the smart host SMTP server is smtp.mtnl.net.in? HTH, -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Installing anything on Debian Sarge using apt-get does not install req dependecies
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

>> On Friday 05 August 2005 13:43, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: >> > One thing that I missed was that I did not scan Disk 1 from the >> > set. >> >> insert disk1 in drive and >> apt-cdrom add >> >after that >apt-get update >apt-get upgrade >tasksel >apt-get install <rest-of-the-universe> > >Most of the desktop stuff is in the first 3 cds. >jtd Yea ! I see Debian Gnome. The mistake I made was that I did not scan Disk1 -partly coz of the prompt (insert any Debian disks..e.g. 2 of a set of 2 disks) after I scanned that disk, things went smooth. I went manual and installed x-window-system and gnome. Had a little trouble with X. The auto-config took /dev/input/mice which crashed X. I edited X configuration (all coz of my Lin Bible) that to /dev/psaux and Gnome is up!. Now to rain on my own parade. No sound .. /dev/dsp no such device. I had Suse 9.1 with sound so my h/w is up to it. (Intel865GBF onboard sound) The Gnome login screen now has no shut down option. earlier I installed the desktop from tasksel and that had the option. Now I just come to the login screen and push the power button Ok? Any key-comb to shutdown. I setup fstab to read my NTFS partitions. trouble is non-root users can't get in. Fat partitions have the same setting ro,user,noauto and they work. What's with this ? Nautilus keeps crashing - unstable Debian set?? I lost my desktop icons and right click on the desktop. That apart Debian-gnome is super-fast and a treat to work on. I got ruby and freeRIDE running in no time. Thanks a million, jtd Gishu

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Is Microsoft paying the Times of India
by Nikhil Marathe 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

This is a very important thing which I am focusing on. Please feel free to add anything else you have noticed. Then perhaps we could send a letter to TOI or something Have you ever realized how TOI seems to favour Windows a lot. I am not just talking about ignoring Linux. Anything which is not Windows gets a small box while even the slightest news about Windows gets half a page. To qoute a recent example: In the Aug. 5, 2005 issue of Times International they have half a page for Windows Vista, and Another half a page in Mumbai Mirror. They say how it has coll new graphics with transparent titlebars. Hasn't KDE and X had it from atleast 6 months ago. When there is anything about IE like tabs in IE7 they had an article, but I have never seen any article about Netscape, Opera, Mozilla or Firefox. They never tell you that if you switched from Windows to another OS you could totally escape from viruses without having temporary updates. HCL released their Rs 9990 PC having FC3 or FC4. But all they mentioned was that it had a 'Linux-based OS'. No mention about why it is good, its features and better security? Isn't the press supposed to be impartial. Lots of other newspapers provide technology news not concerning Microsoft. Well I have expressed my views. Please note that this is just my opinion and I am not voicing everyone. Nikhil

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] cant get the via-itx for the embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

DONT CC ME. I am already on the list. On Sunday 07 August 2005 13:58, nadarajan poniah wrote: > > From where? > > For the same price you can get far more with an i386. > > From where? From their website, of course. You can buy online. Let's see the costing. 1) bank charges for TT Rs.500 2) Fedex $80 3) customs @36% 4) Octroi@5% (The bmc will get to you after two yrs and demand pathan interest on the principal). ((129+80)*44*1.36*1.05)+500=13631 You may be able to avoid bank charges by risking your credit card details online or paying paypal their commission. > > > > And because you say you will only have > > > 64MB flash, then what you are trying to build will still need a > > > PC to host your mp3 collection. And that is of course the same > > > as the SqueezeBox. > > > > By flash he meant pendrive. If u use uclinux you will fit into > > 32mb, leaving 32 mb free. And u have 4 usb ports to connect a > > pendrive. > > You must be joking again. Go look at the price per gigabyte. Price per GB btwn slim box and x86. It's going to stay the same. But the x86 has the advantage of a usb connection permitting many more options like pendrive, and an ide i/f which (afaik) the slimbox does not. > Did you even bother to read the details of the squeezebox? You > obviously didn't. I always check facts before faffing.The slimbox is about 7 months old (afair). And was not cost effective then at $200 (afair). It isnt any better now. > > > Not unless you want the low power consumption and portability as > > the prime design goals. > > Huh? Are you saying the squeezebox doesn't have low power > consumption? How does miniITX introduce portability? Please read the thread. U seem to have missed the earlier discussion. Power consumption and ready out of the box is the only advantage the slimbox has. > > Please try to write in a way such that you can convey information. Suggest u read a little more, particularly this thread. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 28, Issue 19
by Vikrant Gaonkar 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

> > From: Amish Munshi <lists(a)munshi.biz> > To: aashish kunte <aashishkunte(a)rediffmail.com>, > "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:49:59 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Courier IMAP on Suse 8 > > On Saturday 06 August 2005 21:16, aashish kunte > wrote: > > I am facing some problems with my Courier IMAP, > While starting > > /usr/courier/bin/imapd it shows > > linux:/usr/courier/bin # ./imapd start > > INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1], > protocol=IMAP > > chdir start: No such file or directory > > * BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: start: No such file or > directory > > > > Do you have Maildir in the home directory for that > user? > > Amish. > > Try starting imap as /usr/lib/courier-imap/libexec start. Please ensure whether port 143 is not running before that. The error is because courier imap by default is installed in /usr/lib/courier imap file and while installing it should be configured by a normal user and not a root user. Read imap installation (INSTALL) file. Regards Vikrant G _______________________________________________________ Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: broadband connection in Chembur station area
by Nilesh Raykar 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

On 8/5/05, Anurag <anurag(a)bsd.miki.eu.org> wrote: > > Sometime on Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 04:29:28PM +0530, Ninad Bapat said: > > Hi > > I am looking for a broadband connection in Chembur station area. > > My cable operator provides Hathway connection. But calling him and just > > enquiring about the same has been a pain. > > I dont know abt the connection > > I use Hathway from borivali-east. I am happy with service & value for money(550+100 modem rent p.m. for 1GB d/l) relative my needs. I get average 220-240 kbps download speed. Installation on debian sarge was pretty simple. Nilesh Raykar Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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wine + internet explorer
by nilesh birari 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

hi when i tried to install IE6 using Wine(windows Emulator) it just asks for n/w proxy for installation and then tried to connect to somesite for further download and could not download anything so quits. any guess or fundaes highly appreciated. regards Nilesh -- Nilesh Birari Software Engg Powailabs pvt ltd. IIT Bombay, Powai Mumbai -400076

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Is Microsoft paying the Times of India
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

On Sunday 07 August 2005 10:41, Rajen M. Parekh wrote: > > Couldn't agree more. Just wish people could understand that they > are being served trash/filth. Personally I feel TOI is a glamour > paper 'cause they carry more of that then any news. It seems that > skin-show sells better. But what surprises me more is that the so > called intellects are still stuck with their belief in TOI's > authenticity. > > (On an off beat note, DNA seems to be following TOI - in the sense > that they also feel that skin-show sells.) FEEL??? Skin show sells very well indeed. During the dotcom bust porn sites were raking in the moolah. Sometime back there was a russian tv channel where the news reader would strip as she read all the news. This was during the worst days of Yelstin's rule. It was absolutely hilarous. The punch was a voice over which said that the newsreader visual was true to the best of their knowledge, Implying that everything else was crap. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] cant get the via-itx for the embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

Please dont cc me i am already on the list On Sunday 07 August 2005 09:49, nadarajan poniah wrote: > > With inputs from the gurus on this ml and from > > Sherlock, i have decided to make use of the Via-ITX > > board for the MP3 player on which i will connect a > > 64MB IDE Flash for the Shrinked Operating System and > > an LCD Display along with a Remote via the > > serial/Paralell connectors. > > You must be joking. If a guru advised you to do that, you should > question whether he is a real guru. You say you want to build an > mp3 player right? The mini-ITX board is expensive and it would be a > total absolute waste to use it as an mp3 player only. It would be > much cheaper to buy a SqueezeBox which is already geared up as an > mp3 player. http://www.slimdevices.com/ . All the features you > could want is already there including LCD, remote. I think the > price was around rs8000. >From where? For the same price you can get far more with an i386. > And because you say you will only have > 64MB flash, then what you are trying to build will still need a PC > to host your mp3 collection. And that is of course the same as the > SqueezeBox. By flash he meant pendrive. If u use uclinux you will fit into 32mb, leaving 32 mb free. And u have 4 usb ports to connect a pendrive. Not forgetting that u could start with a 256mb pendrive, or add a hardisk, or cdrom. The Squeezebox is only slightly better than other embedded boards discussed IF available at your price in Mumbai cause it includes a vfd, box and psu. > > If you actual reason was because you wanted to learn how to build a > Linux embedded system, maybe yes. But even then, you would be > better off getting a real embedded board with a MIPS or ARM cpu > like something from ncoretech, beta comptronics or a local vendor. Not unless you want the low power consumption and portability as the prime design goals. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] cant get the via-itx for the embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

On Sunday 07 August 2005 00:02, Trevor Warren wrote: > Evening JTD, > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Only advantage is size. The Via PV CLE266 MII 1.6ghz > > is > > excellent at Rs.3050 + 4%. It has two pci slots > > [snip] > > Evening JTD, 3050 + the cost of the processor > right?. 3050 was only the cost of the m/b where as wrt > to the Via P3VB you have the CPU on the board itself. Nope. The Via PV CLE266 MII has an onboard processor and is included in the cost. > I guess for your "PlutoHome" kind of solution you will > need a far more powerful machine than the VIA C3/Eden. Yes. Particularly if you want to stream video. The CLE266 can stream one channel. I have not tried more, although i suspect it will be able to manage two with 512mb ram. rgds jtd

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[Fwd: In search of great freelancer trainers....]
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

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Linux compatible motherboard...
by Dinesh Joshi 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Hey people, My friend wants to buy a Linux friendly motherboard. The dealer is giving him the following options: 1. MSI RS480M2 for AMD64 2800+ 2. Intel 845GVSR for P4 2.4Gig 3. Intel 915GAV(i think, not sure) for a P4 2.66Gig His requirements: 1. Basic development PC, nothing much 2. Must be able to run Madrake(Mandriva) 10.1 Official 3. Alternatively he should be able to run SuSE 9.1 PE which is quite old and hence I question the availability of drivers for recent hardware. 4. He is a newbie so everything must work out of the box. Don't expect him to compile drivers and stuff...forget a kernel recompile. Please give your opinions and suggest a better, more compatible motherboards. I personally own an Intel 865GBF motherboard which works correctly with all distros. No tweaking required. Thanks. -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] cant get the via-itx for the embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

On Saturday 15 December 2018 03:40, Mukund Deshmukh wrote: > > 64MB IDE Flash for the Shrinked Operating System and > > an LCD Display along with a Remote via the > > serial/Paralell connectors. > > > > Have tried some contacts on lamington for the via-itx > > boards but can't get anywhere. Any links/nos/email > > addresses of pple who retail the via-itx eden/c3 > > boards?. I contacted priya electronics they have Via P3 VB - 800 costing Rs.3825+4% vat. However this board does not have vga out and afaik is very picky about the ram, besides being expensive. Only advantage is size. The Via PV CLE266 MII 1.6ghz is excellent at Rs.3050 + 4%. It has two pci slots onboard mpeg4 decoder, X drivers etc but is large than the miniitx. I have been using these and have one at the abv price. rgds jtd

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fetchmail
by Ramang G 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Hi all, I am trying to install fetchmail using forwarding, after the mails get downloaded to single account to the linux box locally from one real pop account, how I am I actually transfer to appropriate to the mail boxes. Is there any thing to be done in postfix or in procmail. kindly explain warm regards, thanks in advance, Raman. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Help required for Solaris 10
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Hello I need to install Solaris 10 on an intel machine Which intel configuration will be supported for GUI environment I have installed but not getting GUI even with successful kdmconfig command Thanks Mahesh Deshpande Tel 09322034838

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Pop account
by Ramang G 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Dear All, we have 10 pop accounts, in an organisation there are 40 persons, who wants to use email accounts. HOw is it possible to get mails for the rest of the persons (30 persons) without increasing the pop accounts? How do we use aliases here... or any settings in fetchmail....? Kindly explain. Regards, Raman. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]Broad band options in Mumbai (Chembur Area)
by Arun Khan 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

> From: Ninad Bapat <freeninad(a)gmail.com> > I am looking for a broadband connection in Chembur station area. I have MTNL TriBand DSL Night Unlimited plan (00.00-08.00) and daytime 500MB for Rs. 590/month. Ocassionaly, the service hicups but when it works I get around 220 Kbps consistently. Enquire with MTNL to see if it is offered in your area. -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sub 10K pc
by Arun Khan 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

> From: Rony Bill <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> > A friend of mine who was in the call centre > business had once told me that refurbished machines can be obtained > in > India for approx 200$. They are very popular in call centres. Does $200 include monitor, keybd, mouse? -- Arun Khan <knura(a)yahoo.com> Linux is a wigwam: No Windows, No Gates, Apache inside.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sub 10K pc
by Vickram Crishna 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

At 1:01 AM +0530 5/8/05, Rony Bill wrote: >sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: >> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1187596.cms >> >> What is included in 10K is not very clear. > > If it includes what the markettroid says it's a steal. > >How can production costs vary so drastically simply because the product >being manufacturered has a lower operating frequency? All other >peripherials are just the same. I haven't seen the actual specs, only the general PR stuff published on this and other lists. An HCL guy (let me refer to him as a ;-) reliable source) told me prelaunch that the product takes advantage of the massive economies of scale in purchasing that HCL achieves. Specific to our conversation, they have an 14" LCD screen bought at unbelievably competitive prices because the flavour of the month is 15" screens. btw, on another thread (it really is a lot of trouble to cut and paste correctly from digests), someone (I think it was Rony) asked about the logic of using a 300W board to play MP3s through a 50W amp: I think desktops drawing 300W include the monitor. The current draw of the plain board will be much lower, maybe sub-50W. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]Broad band options in Mumbai (Chembur Area)
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 17:51, Akshay Dewan wrote: > On 8/5/05, Ninad Bapat <freeninad(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I am looking for a broadband connection in Chembur station area. > > My cable operator provides Hathway connection. But calling him > > and just enquiring about the same has been a pain. > > Hi, > I have a 128kbps connection from Sify. You can download 150 MB in > the day and night downloading is free (from 10:00pm to 8:00am). > Sify wasn't a good connection till a month ago, but they seem to > have improved their packages and support. You need a client to > login, which is available for linux and mac too. Sify is the best I > have in my area. (Malad) Gosh! I have been having innumerable problems with Sify. The sify client simply does not work reliably. Connects sometimes and not at all at other times. When it does connect the client will report failed but the logfile will give you success and the session id. Pointers POOINTERS pleeease. It's my ma-in-laws connection on debian sarge. Otoh hathway worked well in churchgate. rgds jtd

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Installing anything on Debian Sarge using apt-get does not install req dependecies
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

I got the Debian Sarge CDs from gautam borad, who posted on this list sometime back. Next time dude, pls post that the 7 CDs are "unstable" version r0A. Would have helped me ? ok so I got it installed at the cost of my Suse 9.1 working install. Base install AOK. The sources.list file has cdrom entries for disks 2-7 of the set (Just looked up a book.. i think this is a list of places to look for packages. However if I try to install gnome for instance apt-get install gnome I get a slew of dependencies, which "will not be installed" or something to that effect. How do I plead with apt-get to find and install the req dependencies ? Pls keep in mind that the machine does not have a 4 lane broadband conn. so online updates would be a prob. Can I get a Desktop from somewhere within the 7 CDs stuck at the Debian command prompt again (spider sense tingling - jtd are u replying before I post this?), Gishu Pillai

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dynebolic
by Puneet Lakhina 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

Hi all.. i just stubled on this Live CD distro www.dynebolic.org<http://www.dynebolic.org>has anybody used it..?? howz it?? Is it really good for multimedia and stuff or is there any other distro that is better for multimedia production and for audio video recording... And will the fact that its LIve CD have any bearing on the work that can be carried out... Thanks, puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing anything on Debian Sarge usingapt-getdoesnot install req dependecies
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 14:31, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Friday 05 August 2005 13:43, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > > One thing that I missed was that I did not scan Disk 1 from the > > set. > > insert disk1 in drive and > apt-cdrom add > after that apt-get update apt-get upgrade tasksel apt-get install <rest-of-the-universe> Most of the desktop stuff is in the first 3 cds. rgds jtd

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Info. on Apple iBooks
by Shreyas Phadnis 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

Dear all, Wanted some info. on Apple iBooks.If any users on the list use it, please let me know. Wanted advice regarding following point 1.Available Software for the platform 2.Performance 3.Stability 4.Support for the PowerPC editions of Linux Distros. Thank you. Regards, Shreyas Phadnis

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Re: Re[2]: [ILUG-BOM] need to build an embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 14:10, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > http://www.plutohome.org/ > > [snip] > > Fundu stuff JTD. Let me know about any other > projects on the lines of pluto. > Several smaller ones. But none as big as pluto. It attempts everything you ever wanted. All u need is a cooking machine to dial a meal. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing anything on Debian Sarge using apt-getdoesnot install req dependecies
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 13:43, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > One thing that I missed was that I did not scan Disk 1 from the > set. insert disk1 in drive and apt-cdrom add rgds jtd

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Re: Re[2]: [ILUG-BOM] need to build an embedded mp3 player
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Thursday 04 August 2005 15:57, Amol Hatwar wrote: > That's really nice. But MP3s that do Dolby aren't exactly > available... AFAIK, the original spec only accommodated two > channels. Also mp3 compression mangles the fidelity no end. Besides being a media center u could also automate lots of things. Here is a project that does a lot. http://www.plutohome.org/ rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Installing anything on Debian Sarge using apt-get doesnot install req dependecies
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

*snip* However if I try to install gnome for instance apt-get install gnome I get a slew of dependencies, which "will not be installed" or something to that effect. How do I plead with apt-get to find and install the req dependencies ? Pls keep in mind that the *snip* I got this off the net http://www.aboutdebian.com/install31.htm http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm - looks like it will help me bond with apt-get hope something in here solves my problem. One thing that I missed was that I did not scan Disk 1 from the set. Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sub 10K pc
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 02:15, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 04/08/05 23:43 +0530, Rony Bill wrote: > <snip> > > > How can production costs vary so drastically simply because the > > product being manufacturered has a lower operating frequency? All > > other peripherials are just the same. > > These are Via processors, not Intel. Also, just 128 MB RAM. > Even then things dont add up. a few years back there was a similiar announcement from HCL or PCS (afair) for a sub 20k pc. They collected advances and did not deliver for several months. Further the warranty would be non standard. Or maybe someone is dumping their stock of non saleable junk. Since the component costs are about Rs.8K HCL would not be able to sell below Rs.12k inorder to cover overheads without high risks. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] IP Version 6
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 09:25, deshpande(a)vsnl.com wrote: > Hello > > Is IP Version 6 going to be the next Y2K Unlikely. Most winwoes and cisco boxes should be safely zombied to submission by then. And everyone else would be busy enough getting their bluetooth enabled mobiles to dial that #$%^ number. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sub 10K pc
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

On Friday 05 August 2005 09:20, Vickram Crishna wrote: > I haven't seen the actual specs, only the general PR stuff > published on this and other lists. An HCL guy (let me refer to him > as a ;-) reliable source) told me prelaunch that the product takes > advantage of the massive economies of scale in purchasing that HCL > achieves. Specific to our conversation, they have an 14" LCD screen > bought at unbelievably competitive prices because the flavour of > the month is 15" screens. HCL's scales would be miniscule compared to Gateway, Dell, Acer, Dlink. And we haven't even started with the Chn companies yet. Searching the web does not show up an equiv sub $200 product. OTOH it should be useful strategy to grab market share as a loss leader while spending some of the cash they are sitting on. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] need to build an embedded mp3 player
by Trevor Warren 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

--- Amol Hatwâr <amol(a)hatwar.org> wrote: > Better still, for the people that work with > logic-levels and electronics, > here's a neat project that uses the STA013 chip from > ST Microelectronics... > > http://www.pjrc.com/tech/mp3/sta013.html [snip] Thanks for the wonderful link dear. The cost of all the components turns out to be: MP3_PCB_ASSEM MP3 Player Board, Fully Assembled and Tested $150 MP3_DISPLAY LCD Display For MP3 Player, 24x8, with Pushbuttons and Cables $42 CABLE_IDE_LAPTOP Cable for Laptop (2.5 inch) IDE Hard Drive, 1.4 Inch Length $9 STANDOFF Standoff Set For Mounting Laptop Hard Drive $3 PWR_12VDC 12 Volt DC Power Adaptor (US only) $8 SIMM_32M Standard 72 Pin SIMM, 32 Megs, Used $8 Totals :- 220$ That totals to about 220$ with i do not know how much for a Laptop HDD. Apart from this all we need to also account for a custom casing to have these plugged in. It will turn out to be about 15Grand over all. For that price we can purchase an AppleIpod which is far more compact and robust and pretty portable out of the box. Since i know a close friend who has just obtained one for 14Grand with about 20Gb in storage. Whatda say????. Trevor > > The project isn't much complex. Have a look at it. > Regards, > > ah |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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