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FLOSS, how the term came into being...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 May '05

22 May '05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS Free/Libre Open Source Software >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Redirected from FLOSS The term Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS as different from FOSS) is a hybrid term for both free software and open source software, which are different terms for the same substance. "FLOSS" was created as a project acronym by Rishab Ghosh[1] (http://flossproject.org/people.htm), and popularised after the European Commission in June 2001 funded a study on the subject [2] (http://flossproject.org). In July 2002 a survey and study [3] (http://flossproject.org/report/) and a report of the workshop [4] (http://flossproject.org/workshop/) portion was produced and gave wider publicity for the term. The aim was to create a term which didn't alienate the advocates of either the free software philosophy, or the open source philosophy. It was hoped that such a term would ease friction between the two movements and thus improve cooperation. Indeed, Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software movement, has publicly recommended[5] (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/rms-interview-edinburgh-040527.txt) the use of this term for those, especially in the research community, who wish to appear neutral. The L in FLOSS is meant to emphasise the "has freedom" meaning of the word "free" rather than "no charge" (gratis), while FOSS, for Free/Open Source Software, can give the impression that "Free" refers to "no charge". Some non-English speakers prefer this acronym as it can be translated to languages other than English: the F can stand for Frei in German while the L was explicitly drawn from Libre in French and Spanish, Livre in Portuguese, and Libero in Italian, and so on. At the end of 2004, FLOSS has been used as an English-language term of choice in official documents in a number of countries including South Africa[6] (http://www.naci.org.za/floss/index.html), Spain[7] (http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/1637/470) and Brazil[8] (http://www.softwarelivre.org/news/1727). In Spanish and Portuguese, libre/livre software remains the term for free software, avoiding the English-language confusion that led to the creation of the term Open Source. Another term similar in aim to FLOSS is non-proprietary software. Legally speaking, however, only public domain software is non-proprietary. See also * Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) External links * Please read original The Lifecycle of Software Technology (http://www.moonviewscientific.com/essays/software_lifecycle.htm)) to find more. * Free/Libre and Open Source Software: Survey and Study FLOSS Workshop report (http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/workshop/proceedings.htm), links to full study. * Free as in Education. Significance of the Free/Libre and Open Source Software for Developing Countries. (http://www.maailma.kaapeli.fi/FLOSSReport1.0.html) * Information for development www.i4donline.net (http://www.i4donline.net/floss/introduction.asp) * FOSS primers at International Open Source Network (IOSN) by UNDP (http://www.iosn.net/foss-primers) * FLOSS conference at National Institute of Technology Calicut, INDIA (http://glugc.nitc.ac.in/conference) * FOSS examples and adoption in countries

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Saturday 21 May 2005 20:46, Rony Bill wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Windose users are actually abetting criminals indirectly. And > > Installers particularly those on this list are doing so directly > > by installing the stuff after being fully aware of the problems. > > And the banks and financial institutions all running windose. We > > are lucky cause the value of the rupee is 1/47 of the dollar so > > for the same effort the criminal earns 47 times more targeting US > > and Eur. > > As I happen to still use windows and advise customers to buy Win XP > to get regular updates and updates for the updates, I am splitting > my reply in parts. Noted your reply.And the counters from the list too which do a thorough demolition job. However the point missed here is this - u are a prime target for a law suit. 1) If a vendor of any thing were to deliver equipment which, if used in it's default state, would cause grevious harm he would be sued to bankrupty. The defence of ignorance is no defence cause vendor should not have been selling the stuff in the first place if he is incompetent. 2) M$ would have absolved themselves of most things and have the money power to outlast most individuals. But you as a vendor are a sitting duck. 3) All other arguments about usability, compatability, default configs, etc. are irrelevant. It's like selling a car with no brakes. One can supply a set of brakes and instructions for installation but that would not protect you from a lawsuit unless u very clearly stated the fact that fitting brakes onto the vehicle is a very complex task, beyond the capabilities of most car users, and that post fitting of brakes is still likely to fail. Apprise your customer of these facts and see how many still opt for winwoes. It's only a matter of time before some vendor is going to get shafted. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 09:51, Amol Hatwar wrote: > And JTD, get a life; choose a better subject line next time :P > Regards, > ah Ha Ha. You got me on that one. All ye on the list ah stands for Anmol Hatwar (as also AH i suppose). You are (er i am) forbidden from using ah or AH unless refering to AH er i mean Anmol. I was refering to the AHs not the AH - i mean the air heads - which i assure you Anmol is not. After clearing the air ahead I did agonize over several subject lines before my head got all aired. Are Windows users criminal conspirators? Windows os suppliers are in cahoots with the mafia Use windows and file for bankruptcy. Windows will attract lawsuits against you. A brief study on criminal elements in cyberspace - methodology and countermeasures. An introduction to cyber crime. How to get rich in cyber space. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:41, Trevor Warren wrote: > http://hardware.newsforge.com/hardware/05/05/17/1528245.shtml?tid=6 >8&tid=59 Talking of old pcs, I needed a few ttl ics and buffers to set right a communication system at a petrochem plant Sunday 3am. There were no devices available until i chanced upon an old pc. The mobo was dated 1988 and the cpu 1987. It was those horizontal boxes and weighed about 10 kgs. Inside was a 20MB harddrive, 5.25" fdd, 256 KB ram, cga graphics card, hdd/fdd card and a 286 16 MHz cpu. And several buffers and ttls. Tried booting it. But no luck as the onboard battery had leaked and corroded the pcb. I managed to desolder the ics i needed and get the communication system running. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 11:31, Trevor Warren wrote: > > The same process applies to freesoftware. Free > > software companies rely on lowering the entry > > > barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software > > > companies must affix a price to their product this > > cost is a balance > > between an entry barrier and profitability. The > > entry of free software > > has totally screwed this equilibrium. > > [snip] > > I do agree with the same and alogn with you have > seen the gradual metamorphisis but there are certain > views of yours where i beg to differ JTD. From a > business perspective the transition on this front as > you have mentioned has been very slow albeit steady. > Its growth is indeed highly important for the entire > ecosystem (closed-open) to flourish and for the > customer to have a choice in what he wants to buy. Unfortunately prop software vendors are continuosly erecting legal barriers to prevent individuals and small bussiness from entering the field in an attempt to shore up a doomed business plan i.e software distribution (this goes for open software too as the cd vendor case shows). The current spat on software patents is a case in point. As of now patents protect a product, not a generalised description of a method of achieving a task, which is what software actually is. One can write code in an infinite number of ways for doing a given task. Patenting software is one of the many causes dear to a prop company's heart and totally anthema to free software. Software in any case is more than adequately protected by copyrights. DRM is another. DMCA yet one more. All of these want to take away consumer and in many cases producer rights. And without exception it's the closed software companies actively supporting the S#$%. > In short gone are those days when vendors could shove > unsupported closed source applns/operating systems and > charge abnominable fees for continuing support. We now > see CTO's all across the country considering a mixture > of Open and Closed options across all horizontals and > verticals they play in. > > > Which has left > > the prop companies > > inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. > > Only a matter of > > time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. > > > Each one is important for the others survival. I seriously doubt it. witness the complete disregard for standards, by deliberately breaking them and refusal to publish communication , file format and other docs which encapsulate user data. While a closed software business may exist it would be impossible for it to survive for any length of time. Free software continues to grow stronger without relying on crooked laws or hiding formats. closed software desperately requires bsd code and obfusication to just stay afloat. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by Trevor Warren 22 May '05

22 May '05

> The same process applies to freesoftware. Free > software companies rely on lowering the entry > barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software > companies must affix a price to their product this > cost is a balance > between an entry barrier and profitability. The > entry of free software > has totally screwed this equilibrium. [snip] I do agree with the same and alogn with you have seen the gradual metamorphisis but there are certain views of yours where i beg to differ JTD. From a business perspective the transition on this front as you have mentioned has been very slow albeit steady. Its growth is indeed highly important for the entire ecosystem (closed-open) to flourish and for the customer to have a choice in what he wants to buy. In short gone are those days when vendors could shove unsupported closed source applns/operating systems and charge abnominable fees for continuing support. We now see CTO's all across the country considering a mixture of Open and Closed options across all horizontals and verticals they play in. > Which has left > the prop companies > inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. > Only a matter of > time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. [snip] My point is there is no "Single Open Source/Free Software Solution" that will serve all needs and the same is true for Close Source propreitary end-to-end stacks from MNC's across the world. In this day and age as the ilug-bom we should seek to work towards a harmonius ecosystem consisting of both Free Software/Open Source and Closed Source components. Probably one that fosters growth of such small classroom businesses based on sound business models. Be in terms of Venture Capital or possible helping intellectually support/stimulate peer groups that wll inturn mushroom into healthy business models. Each one is important for the others survival. No man lives as an island you see.The story of David v/s Goliath is indeed a fitting tribute to the FSF/OS movement and i pray it gives us the strength to continually mushroom into a great self sustaing movement. You indeed brought some good thoughts to bear with your wise words JTD. Trevor > > rgds > jtd > > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Saturday 21 May 2005 19:19, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Ninad Bapat <freeninad(a)gmail.com> > > > >Hi > >I thought I had found a wonderful site in > >*www.linuxbazar.com<http://www.linuxbazar.com> > >* based in Banaglore from where I could order Linux Cd's of the > > latest distros and that too within week. > > > >*Today i was shocked when I visited there site to find that it has > > been shut down.* Gives you an idea of what suppliers of packaged software are up against, shorn of the legal barricade they have boxed themselves with. A services based industry requires widespread adoption of the service hence reducing costs of equipment on which the service rides increases revenues. Thus cellular service providers heavily subsidise handsets to reduce entry barriers. The customer does not care too much about the phone (except to the extent that branding drives him to care about goodies in the handset). The same process applies to freesoftware. Free software companies rely on lowering the entry barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software companies must affix a price to their product this cost is a balance between an entry barrier and profitability. The entry of free software has totally screwed this equilibrium. Which has left the prop companies inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. Only a matter of time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. rgds jtd

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[ot][commercial]Fwd: A leading GNU/Linux Systems house is expanding, looking for GNU/Linux engineers to join our team.
by Trevor Warren 22 May '05

22 May '05

FYI folks. Trevor --- Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:03:14 -0700 > From: Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> > To: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com > CC: Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> > Subject: Re: Mazda Technologies, A leading GNU/Linux > Systems house is expanding, > looking for GNU/Linux engineers to join our team. > > Trevor, > Also I would like someone from your LUG to start > contributing to the > FSF/ Gluster project. If they do I am willing to pay > them a stipend or > bring them onboard as part of the Mazda team just > for making > contributions to Gluster. They can remain in India, > I just want someone > local in India to be associated with Mazda > Technologies and the Gluster > project. > So spread the word, if you have any questions or > need clarification > please contact me at youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com or > youhanma(a)yahoo.com > Thank You > Youhan Mubaraki > > Youhan Mubaraki wrote: > > > Hi Trevor, > > Please post this on your LUG website! > > Youhan > > > > > > Mazda Technologies, a leading Linux Systems house > in the Silicon > > Valley is looking for an experienced Linux > Engineer with the following > > skills: > > > >In order of Experience importance... > > > >GNU/Linux HPC/Clustering Expert > > > >GNU/Linux System/Network Administrator > > > >GNU/Linux Systems programmer > > > >GNU/Linux Kernel Hacker > > > >Candidate must be authorized to work in US, US > Citizens preferred, Must relocate to bay area if > from outside.Most important is the person's > capability to work on large clusters, > >have intimate knowledge on all types of Open Source > software and applications like OSCAR and ROCKS, > >be able load and tweak for performance optimization > all flavors of Free Operating systems like Redhat, > Suse, Debian, Free BSD etc. > >The right candidate should also have Network > Administration experience with Linux and have > through understanding of the kernel. > >Experience with Intel and AMD 64 Bit hardware a > must. > > > >Mazda Technologies works with top tier enterprise > customers and the Governments DOE labs and this > experience could be really enhance the right > candidates resume. > >Mazda Technologies is a fun and flexible > environment and with the right candidate we are > willing to consider a candidate that wants to work > part time as well. > > > >Please email me or call me at 925 699 4700 if you > or someone you know is Interested in this position. > > > >Youhan Mubaraki > > > >Vice President of Business Development > > > >Mazda Technologies > > > >www.mazdatechnologies.com > > > >Land Line: 925 558 2722 > > > >Cell: 925 699 4700 > > > >Fax: 924 605 4000 > > > >Toll Free 1 888 510 9898 > > > > > > > >Address > > > >11501 Dublin Blvd, > > > >Suite 200 > > > >Dublin, CA 94568 > > > |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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(OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by Ninad Bapat 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hi I thought I had found a wonderful site in *www.linuxbazar.com<http://www.linuxbazar.com> * based in Banaglore from where I could order Linux Cd's of the latest distros and that too within week. *Today i was shocked when I visited there site to find that it has been shut down.* Infact I ordered Debian Sarge and Slack 10.1 and many more Cd's from them in the 1st week of May 05 and I got them real fast. I dont know when they started there site but got the url from this mailing list. They site the shutting down is due to lack of time on there side and also that due to the advent of broadband downloading is fast and so distro downloads will be fast. Is it really the truth in India thru a broadband connection?. I do not have one but am planning to have one. This is the 2nd instance when a site which distributes linux distros at nominal prices has shut down basically due to time constraints. Anyways great job done. Thanks to Linux bazar for spreading or trying to spread linux in India by making Cd's available. Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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VPN thru iptables firewall
by scott max 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hi all, We have windows machine network at my both office locations. When I try to connect thru iptables firewall (Gateway settings on Win XP machine) to my remote network it gives error " Network path not found", but when i connect it thru router ip address (Gateway settings on Win XP machine) it works-I am able to access all machines and shared resources on remote network. What changes i need to make in my firewall script. I am using Redhat Linux 3.0 AS. Waiting for faster reply. Thanks, Scott -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! Powered by Outblaze

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Summer Vacation Seminar Series Time Table
by Ashish Karpe 21 May '05

21 May '05

Summer Vacation Seminar Series Time Table Timings :- (Session 1) 09.00am to 09.45am (Session 2) 10.15am to 11.00am DAY 1) Thursday 26/5/05 1. Introduction to GNU/Linux 2.Installation of GNU/Linux DAY 2) Friday 27/5/05 1. Future of GNU/Linux 2. Comparison of GNU/Linux Applications with other O.S. DAY 3) Saturday 28/5/05 1. Introduction to FOSS 2. Demonstration C,C++,Shell programming on GNU/Linux DAY 4) Sunday 29/5/05 Reserved Day DAY 5) Monday 30/5/05 Reserved Day DAY 6) Tuesday 31/5/05 1. Web development with MySql , Appache , PHP 2. Demonstration DAY 7) Wednesday 01/06/05 1. GUI programming with Qt, GTK+,Python 2. Demonstration DAY 8 ) Thursday 02/06/05 1. Networking programming 2. Demonstration DAY 9) Friday 03/06/05 1.Kernel programming 2. Demonstration DAY 10) Saturday 04/06/05 1.Communication Skills Development 2. Entrepreneurship Development Venue for the seminar is : Society for computer education & technology. British council library lane , F. C. Road Pune- 4 Dates and Timing : 26-05-2005 to 4-05-2005 Every day 9.00 am to 11.00 am I case of any query please Contact : Mr. Ashish Karpe 020-24482425 Mr. Amit Karpe 21112285 NOTE : We require speaker for 1st session only. So please those who are interested reply/contact as soon as possible because we are short of time. Thanking You , BLUG Coordinator www.groups.yahoo.com/group/bcslug -- -Ashish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Param Vaibhavam Netumaetat Swaraashtram | Samrthaa Bhavatwaashishaa Tebhrusham | | || Bharat Maata Ki Jay || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Want Speaker For BLUG's (BCS/MCS GNU/Linux Users Group ) Seminars
by Ashish Karpe 21 May '05

21 May '05

Dear Sir/Madam, BLUG (BCS/MCS GNU/Linux Users Group ) is a Pune based group which was established on 26th Jan 05 to promote FOSS (Free Open Source Softwares). Our primary goal is to give a technical forum for students. 1)Advocacy of GNU/Linux and FOSS 2)Sharing knowledge of GNU/Linux and FOSS 3)Support for GNU/Linux and FOSS to a) Users b) consultants c) businesses d) non-profit organizations and schools e) Other GNU/Linux movement 4)Socializing The Computing We are glad to inform you that BLUG is organizing seminar series from 26 May to 4 June 2005 . Seminar will be held in two sessions .It is open to all & absolutely FREE. Venue for the seminar is : Society for computer education & technology. British council library lane , F. C. Road Pune- 4 Dates and Timing : 26-05-2005 to 4-06-2005 Every day 9.00 am to 11.00 am For This Seminar Series we need some speaker. So please those who are interested reply as soon as possible because we are short of time. P.S : I will be sending detail time table for this event shortly. In case of any query please Contact : Mr. Amit Karpe : 21112285 Mr. Onkar Kulkarni : 9850839908 Mr. Sameer Shirke : 9822248387 Thanking You , BLUG Coordinator -- -Ashish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Param Vaibhavam Netumaetat Swaraashtram | Samrthaa Bhavatwaashishaa Tebhrusham | | || Bharat Maata Ki Jay || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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MATLAB
by onkar mahajan 21 May '05

21 May '05

does any one know how to install MATLAB(TM) on Redhat FC(R) Onkar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 20 May '05

20 May '05

>From: Saswata Banerjee & Associates <scrapo(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >That is a real suprise, since I have been using the Wifi 11g on the 3002 >for the last 3 days for the entire day. Thats bad documentation on part of acer, isn't it? ;) >I think the above already proved you wrong. read on :) >The matter is not of opinions. Just dont try to feed wrong info to people. >There are people who will go by what is said in mails here when making a >decision. Thats the second time you're talking about "wrong" info :) >That is a real joke. Sempron 2800 is a 64bit core chip. Dont bother >comparing with a pentium m. Sempron is *based* on 64bit technology. That doesnt mean it can RUN 64bit programs/OSes. What it means is if AMD wants, in the future, it could use Sempron's architecture to introduce a 64bit version of the chip. It is only *that* chip which would be able to run 64bit apps/programs. Bottom line, you can't run any 64bit OSes. Thus, no 64bit apps. So you can very well compare AMD Sempron and Pentium-m, technically. But it wouldn't be right to compare them since they are *not* targeted at the same market. Just for everybody's GK, AMD Turion is a true 64bit chip meaning it is based on AMD64 bit technology and can run 64bit apps seamlessly as can other 64bit chips like AMD Opteron, AMD Athlon, etc... Don't believe me? Before you go off to google or call up your Acer tech support have a look at these links: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3100e_3.html Look at the pics. You will clearly see AMD64, EM64T, IA64 disabled :). Plus I am quoting the author of the article here: <------- "As for the AMD64 technology support, Sempron processors based on the E revision of Palermo core do not have it, either. I have to stress that this is a very disappointing drawback of all budget CPUs from AMD, because the 64-bit version of the Windows XP operating system is about to be released this month already." --------> Your CPU is based on the the D revision which means it doesnt even have the SSE3 extensions and is a 32bit chip which is _based_ on 64bit core ;). Too bad. Ok, now let's hear it from the horse's mouth itself i.e. www.amd.com : http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9331,00.ht… <------- "The AMD64 platform is leading the industry to pervasive 64-bit computing. The AMD Opteron processor, the AMD Athlon 64 processor, and AMD Turion 64 mobile technology comprise the AMD64 family." --------> As I had stated originally in my post, I was going to stay away from this thread. But I couldn't resist giving out correct information :) Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SQL
by Amish Mehta 20 May '05

20 May '05

Puneet Lakhina wrote: > technology knows no boundaries. My question is : is there some way i can > execute an update or delete inside a select statement thru any caluse from > where or anything is there anyway i can execute an update statement and use > these results in my select query. CREATE RULE SQL statement might just help you. Amish.

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SQL
by Puneet Lakhina 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi all, i guess this question is a little out of context at this grp but i guess technology knows no boundaries. My question is : is there some way i can execute an update or delete inside a select statement thru any caluse from where or anything is there anyway i can execute an update statement and use these results in my select query. Thanks

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VMS to Linux
by Surya Adiraj 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi, We are trying to Migrate Open VMS 7.1 to Linux. Following are installed on VMS Server -- Operating System --Open VMS AXP Programming Lang -- ANSI C DECMessageQ for Internal and external communication Oracle 7.3.2 RDBMS relatioal database DECNet Communication Software OSI layer based comunication software for SINEC- H1 BUS Oracle SQL*Net RDBMS network interface software. We Installed Linux and installed Oracle 10g on it. we had taken export from 7.3.2 database and impoted to New database. We can able to communicate with Client forms v4.5 but we are not able to do the DECMEssageQ. Applications are written in PROC to get data from PLC through telegrams to DECMessageQ mailbox and from there to Oracle Database. Any body has faced this kind of situation? How to go about this?Please suggest us to do it successfully? Regards, Surya Surya Adiraju ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/

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ssh help
by Puneet Lakhina 19 May '05

19 May '05

hi all, im using a linux box thats behind a NAT. If i know the port as well as the IP address it has currently been assigned is there some way i can ssh into this machine from the other side that is from an external comp if yes then please tell me how. Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Sarfaraz Kazi 19 May '05

19 May '05

> Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 > Time : 3 pm > Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers > > Hi, > > Just wanted to know if this is a walkin or we have > to register somewhere. Please do let us know if > registration is required. > > Moreover does getting into IIT reuiqres I-card? > > Regards, > > Chirag > Hi Chirag, There is no need of any registration and u don't need any ID card to enter IIT. Regards, Sarfaraz. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] LCD Panel
by vaibhav samant 19 May '05

19 May '05

Its very difficlut to search on Lamington without correct specifictions or company name / model no etc. Vai On Mon, 16 May 2005 Svaksh wrote : >On 5/13/05, Devendra Laulkar <devendralaulkar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday 13 May 2005 6:05 pm, vaibhav samant wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone know, where in Mumbai, can I get an LCD panel along with cables > > > to be connected to my Linux Server. Approx how much do they cost? > > > > Well a 2line LCD display without backlight would cost around 200 Rs I think. > > You would be using LCDProc? You will have to by the connectors etc and do a > > bit of soldering though. Don't know where u can get them in Mumbai. > >check out lamington road :) >-svaksh > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by chirag radhakrishnan 19 May '05

19 May '05

Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh(a)gmail.com> wrote: Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 Time : 3 pm Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai will hold its May GLUG meet on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. Talks on following topics will be conducted. * Eclipse, an IDE - by Mohan Jayakar Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. Eclipse, the integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM.Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp * Dynamic Tracing using dtrace - by Sameer Niphadkar Sameer has planned to give a small talk/presentation on Dynamic Tracing using dtrace with D Programig language on Open Solaris. This is probably the first GNU/Linux Users Group meet to be broadcast nationwide. GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: * Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai * Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded * Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai * Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore * Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune * Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur * Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa * Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune * K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon * Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad * Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. Directions for reaching IIT Bombay can be found at: http://www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/howtoget.html See you all there at IIT Bombay on 22nd May, 3PM at KReSIT! Venky -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Hi, Just wanted to know if this is a walkin or we have to register somewhere. Please do let us know if registration is required. Moreover does getting into IIT reuiqres I-card? Regards, Chirag --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Best non intel Pc configuration available in India
by Vickram Crishna 19 May '05

19 May '05

A very interesting hardware hack on the Mac mini, to build a Debian server powered by Li-ion batteries. This could be the core of a classroom network running thin clients, or an office network, especially outside Mumbai. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~silasb/macbat/ Incidentally, while on the subject, I read that the installation of choice for PowerPC is Yellow Dog Linux (http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/). -- Vickram

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Linux and BSD coexistence
by Ninad Bapat 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hi I have been planning to install freebsd on my old pc. It is a Celeron 500 with 64mb RAM and already Ubuntu 4.10 is installed. There is no Windows My question Can Linux and BSD co-exist? For e.g. can it boot from GRUB with GRUB having these options for e.g. Ubuntu Slackware FreeBSD/PC-BSD Thanks and Regards Ninad

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GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Venkatesh Hariharan 19 May '05

19 May '05

Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 Time : 3 pm Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai will hold its May GLUG meet on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. Talks on following topics will be conducted. * Eclipse, an IDE - by Mohan Jayakar Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. Eclipse, the integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM.Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp * Dynamic Tracing using dtrace - by Sameer Niphadkar Sameer has planned to give a small talk/presentation on Dynamic Tracing using dtrace with D Programig language on Open Solaris. This is probably the first GNU/Linux Users Group meet to be broadcast nationwide. GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: * Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai * Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded * Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai * Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore * Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune * Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur * Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa * Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune * K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon * Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad * Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. Directions for reaching IIT Bombay can be found at: http://www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/howtoget.html See you all there at IIT Bombay on 22nd May, 3PM at KReSIT! Venky

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Perl
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 19 May '05

19 May '05

On Thursday 19 May 2005 09:15, onkar mahajan wrote: > I want to make a career in embedded sys.,Sys programming.. > Will learning Perl help me in long terms . In embedded systems both hardware and software are very tightly coupled. Hence abstraction layers are done away with or at best very minimal. There is no room (performance, primary and secondary storage etc.) for a rudimentary file system, let alone VM and intepreted languages. You are left with the option of c or assembly. However all embedded systems have to talk to humans, usually via a PC. So perl or python is most certainly useful. > If yes which extension of perl should i learn. Ask Philip Tellis. He is the Yoda on perl. rgds jtd

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Perl
by onkar mahajan 19 May '05

19 May '05

I want to make a career in embedded sys.,Sys programming.. Will learning Perl help me in long terms . If yes which extension of perl should i learn. Please guide me. Onkar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Samba perf query
by Sameer Niphadkar 19 May '05

19 May '05

On Wed, 18 May 2005 kishor bhagwat wrote : >Hi folks, >Can anyone tell me how to measure SAMBA/CIFS performance >in terms of IOPS on Solaris? > If you are using Solaris 10 then have a look at this http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/dtrace_for_dev.html rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Open TCP seesions in SUN
by Karia Amit 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hi all, Is there any way through which i can modify maximum number of opened tcp sessions in solairs ex. if at a time 50 ips are connecting to my server and then it reaches maximum connections state. Is it possible to increase default Allowed Open sessions(connections) in Sun-Solaris

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ipv4.ip_forward statistics
by Zainul M Charbiwala 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hello, I'm using my box as a gateway for my internal network using net.ipv4.ip_forward. I don't NAT so I don't use iptables. Is there a way that I can derive statistics about the number of connections going through the gateway? Specifically, which IP addresses are sending packets, size of packets, etc. Thanks, Zainul.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Friday 13 May 2005 21:44, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > > >Just to clear your ignorance, and inattention to detail Dell's > >standard warranty does not cover anything other than manufacturing > >defects. They have a "CompleteCover" warranty for which you pay > > more. And this warranty is valid only in some countries of > > Asia.So if u damage your laptop in London you will have to get > > back to one of these asian countries to get your warranty. > > > >But to keep the record straight the cost of the "CompleteCover" > > will determine wether it is useful to all. Imo a 15% hike in > > price would be justified. > > > >rgds > >jtd > > Ok, no offense dude Worry not. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words dont hurt me. Me is very thick skinned ;-). > but all Dell machines come with a complete > cover warranty (except the very high end ones where you get to > decide what you want). So it's a "standard" Dell warranty for which > you pay a bit more. You are right about the validity of the > warranty in Asia. You can get it "upgraded" to an International > level but for that you have to again pay more. As for me the > current warranty is good enough. Actually you will have to compare prices with a similar speced machine from whoever. You will be able to determine how much more you are paying for "CompleteCover". And by the way Dell is manufactured in China. In fact you will find it nearly impossible to get a piece of electronic equipment from any place other than China. Which means that they produce quality goods too. Most OEM factories produce stuff and sort them into a, b and c categories, a for the big brands (IBM, Sony, Matsuchita), b for their own brands (sold mostly in US, eur and gulf) and c for the importers from India and other third world countries. There is also a d category - junk - for consumables (batteries, pencils, inks, etc). We have a lot to learn about "cheap", which is mostly about efficiency and a little about cutting the right corners. You will find cheap laptop clones of IBM, Dell, Compaq etc. The price difference is a good 40 ~ 50% on the base models. If you buy the upgrades (harddisk, Wlan etc) from lamington road the difference grows by another 15%. Not to mention the fact that you are no more dependent on Dell / IBM. You are ofcourse taking a chance on the warranty. I am no fan of the Chinese - I continually pressured to readjust my bussiness to maintain margins and keep my customers happy. But that is life outside of Paradise. rgds jtd

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Debian Sarge-GDM login screen grainy
by Ninad Bapat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi I finally installed Debian Sarge(DVD) build date 26/4/05. After the initial configs and reading the CD I was presented with GDM login screen to my surprise the screen appeared very grainy just like what appears when one logins in safe mode in windoze. Why is this happening? Is any package missing to be installed Thanks Ninad

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian Sarge-GDM login screen grainy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 11:16, Ninad Bapat wrote: > Hi > > I finally installed Debian Sarge(DVD) build date 26/4/05. > After the initial configs and reading the CD I was presented with > GDM login screen > to my surprise the screen appeared very grainy just like what > appears when one logins in safe mode in windoze. > > Why is this happening? > Is any package missing to be installed incorrect settings in /etc/XF86config-4 You are running X in 16bit color 640x480 or lower. check your graphics chipset and add the right driver to the above file.You might need to change the monitor settings in the file too. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 18 May '05

18 May '05

>>From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> >>...apparently 'shes' are not allowed on this list >I hope you're kidding :O >Dinesh Quoting Limp Bizkit.. 'Take a look around'

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[OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Vickram Crishna 18 May '05

18 May '05

At 1:09 PM +0530 5/17/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: >If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the >chinese would have beaten us. But not, perhaps, for their sense of civility, as we have seen after smarting from many sharp replies on this list. Actually, the Chinese (Confucius, as he is called in English) invented the civil servant, but it took Indians to raise that personage to the heights of misrule and uncivility. Even ;-) Sherlock can't begin to compete. Of course, s/he may be one, and if so, I rest my case. Unlikely, of course, as s/he does not lack for knowledge or willingness to help, if not actually suffer fools or children. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Tuesday 17 May 2005 17:21, Vickram Crishna wrote: > At 1:09 PM +0530 5/17/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the > >chinese would have beaten us. > > But not, perhaps, for their sense of civility, as we have seen > after smarting from many sharp replies on this list. Ah the chinese are subtle - at first. Very often silence follows after u have taken a stab at them. But the next round is a missile. U will notice this in their dealings with the Americans. Remember the Chinese-killing-India rhetoric last year. Initially there were a couple of press releases stating the figures on rice and shrimp import from India. As usual the AH's who run this country did not understand. The next round was proposed chinese sanctions on Indian exports to china, which dwarf Indian imports by an order of magnitude. The indian ministers quietly shut their mouths. End of great Indo-Chinese trade war. > > Actually, the Chinese (Confucius, as he is called in English) > invented the civil servant, but it took Indians to raise that > personage to the heights of misrule and uncivility. Even ;-) > Sherlock can't begin to compete. Of course, s/he may be one, and if > so, I rest my case. No such luck. You can either be civil or a servant. I am not a servant so I might just make to the ranks of civility. And i am not employed by the government - a very good qualification imo. > Unlikely, of course, as s/he does not lack for knowledge or > willingness to help, (Big self glorification para) My knowledge (restricted to hardware only) has steadily deteriorated after the 486 era. I did have detailed knowledge of many of the chipset schematics and registers and designed a couple of 286/386 mobos including the external glue logic and a large number of addon cards for the isa bus. The glue logic was quite substantial inspite of the chipsets. > if not actually suffer fools or children. Actually the irritation is that most posters do not make the slightest attempt to exercise their fingers on google, let alone their brains before posting. Which is so much against the libre software philosophy of making you independent and productive permanently. We should have an initiation ceremony for new members. At every meet they will sit around a burning windows cd and the list admin will deliver a homily on list ettiquitte and FSF philosophy. They will then intone the homily thrice. The smoke from the cd should drive away all but the most determined. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need revolution os and code movie cd
by Animesh Singh 18 May '05

18 May '05

Afternoon Mr. Warren, > > Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution > OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a > great pal and never got them back. I have code and Revolution. I can give you by this saturady evening. Regards, Animesh. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Samba perf query
by kishor bhagwat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi folks, Can anyone tell me how to measure SAMBA/CIFS performance in terms of IOPS on Solaris? regards, Kishor Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian distro difference
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 10:07, Ninad Bapat wrote: > Hi > > I just bought some Linux Cd's from linuxbzar. > I found > Debian v3 r5 and > Debian Sarge (25/04/05 build)(DVD) > listed there. > I have ordered for the Sarge DVD from http://www.debian.org/releases/ " The current “stable” distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r5, codenamed woody. It was released on April 16th, 2005. " That is Debian v3 r5 aka woody. "The “testing” distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a “stable” release yet, but they are in the queue for that. The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more recent versions of software. Official security support for this distribution started May 3rd 2005." That is testing aka sarge. Sarge comes with Openoffice, 2.6 kernel, gcc3.xx KDE3.2 and newer, versions of all the packages in woody. A few orphaned packages from woody have been dropped from sarge. I am using the pcq sarge dvd. Works great. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] need revolution os and code movie cd
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 18 May '05

18 May '05

> Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution >OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a >great pal and never got them back. Is this just to bug Yayati ? Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:was acers latop AD: now ot morphing to conspiracy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 00:29, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > >So dont you worry. Where can i get an audience who are forced to > > read the #$%^& that i post.On second thought isnt there a windoze > > users list. > Hey dude, I like your style. Now what are you talking about this > windoze users list? :P Just imagine the fun asking 1) How do i install windows XP on a floppy on a 386 with 64mb ram. I want to use it as a firewall and bandwidth shaper. 2) How do i install windows XP server on my reiserfs partition 3) I cannot find the X server files in the XP installation. 4) The file browser shows D: but cannot read the partition (i have installed linux on this partition ( hda5 reiserfs) 5) I get a message "illegal operation performed" who is performing the illegal operation. 6) I have made thirty copies of this crappy windows XP to distribute to my enemies is it legal. Boy oh boy am i excited. And hopefully there will be some cyber cafe guys and some anti virus and security "experts" on that list. rgds jtd

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Debian distro difference
by Ninad Bapat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi I just bought some Linux Cd's from linuxbzar. I found Debian v3 r5 and Debian Sarge (25/04/05 build)(DVD) listed there. I have ordered for the Sarge DVD What is the difference between these two. Thanks and regards Ninad

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A little piece of computer history for sale
by Trevor Warren 18 May '05

18 May '05

FYI luggers. http://hardware.newsforge.com/hardware/05/05/17/1528245.shtml?tid=68&tid=59 Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re:was acers latop AD: now ot morphing to conspiracy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 17 May '05

17 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 15:18, V.K.Bharadwaj wrote: > >>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay > >>> civil to each other. > >> > >> if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group > >> kg > I speak probably for many of the > lurkers like myself on this group when I say... > > I've probably never met jtd or kg or Gishu or > many like them except via the mail digests of the group. > They add great value to the group and many of them > have above average skills with their tech-appreciation, > sharing, plus language/communications. > > jtd stays here please, else I may leave too. Who is conspiring to throw me off the list. Why am i being persecuted. I refuse to be civil. And i wont leave. If you throw me out I shall reregister and post with a disclaimer combining those from ICICI and Reliance and M$. That will teach all u conspirators a lesson. HA Ha Dont worry VKB i am not about to leave the list just because someone wants me to be civil or anything else at that. Nor am i going to be thrown out (afaik). So dont you worry. Where can i get an audience who are forced to read the #$%^& that i post.On second thought isnt there a windoze users list. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 17 May '05

17 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 19:05, Rony Bill wrote: > Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > Yes, I agree with you. Chinese companies do produce quality > > goods > > > > otherwise they would never survive in the western market. It is > > only countries like us which are dumped with low quality stuff... > > Do they dump them on us or do we (Indian Dealers) look for cheap > products to capture the market for a quick buck? If an Indian > dealer asks for Class A products, will he be refused by the > Chinese? Infact they will always offer u the best that they have and will show u the worst only after u have revealed your inner cheapskateness. U will love to see the chinese squirming as u notice all the flaws. Everybody in the country is to blame, not just the importer. While other nations have passed thru this phase we seem to be stuck with a lazy, laid back attitude for the past 1000 yrs. We seem to be in such awe of our historical achievements that we dismiss every other nations achievements. The cheap chinese is one such. Right now we are trumpeting ourselves as a great software powerhouse. In reality we are only leveraging our english speaking capability. If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the chinese would have beaten us. rgds jtd

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Configuring smtp auth between servers (qmail to any smtp relay)
by ming 17 May '05

17 May '05

Dear All We have qmail server configured it is working properly But the problem has arised when the "ISP smtp" we had using for all outbound mails from our qmail server to internet requires "SMTP AUTH" Need to know how we can configure the qmail server to use amtp auth. So that it can deliver the mails to the smtp relay of ISP. I have tested the ISP smtp relay direct in my email client works properly need to do the same for my qmail server. Thanks to all in advance Best Regards Ming Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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[Fwd: Belgian Gentoo-Linux Project in Mumbai]
by Dinesh Shah 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi All, This is an invitation received from Mr. Johan, Thank you Mr. Johan and Team for doing a great work here in India. Though he has given the time but not given any day/date, may be any day/date few people can visit them, possibly from Monday to Friday. I will try my best, if I can make it. With regards, -----Forwarded Message----- From: Johan Van Lon <de_oppergod(a)hotmail.com> To: linuxers-owner(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Belgian Gentoo-Linux Project in Mumbai Date: 17 May 2005 16:10:50 +0000 Dear, -This mail can be sent as an invitation on your mailing-list if you like. we would like to have somebody from every LUG in Mumbai to join us for a tour of our project.... You yourselves are off course also invited. Dear, Allow me to introduce a Linux-project that has been going on for almost 3 months now, right here in Mumbai. We think that you and your organisation might be quite intrested. Almost 2 years ago now, me (Johan Van Loon) and Jan Van Steenkiste got the assignment to find a good firm in Belgium to complete our internship, in one of my previous schools I had done an internship as wel and I hadn't really learned anything in that time, afraid of a repitition of the events, I decided to find an alternative internship. We told our idea to Elise Daans and she thought it was a good idea as well, so we went to the school to see if it would be possible to complete this project. We got a green light and started planning right away, very soon it became very clear that 3 persons would not be enough, so we invited Joeri Balcaen and Tim Bastiaensens to join us, a marvelous decision it turned out to be. The next year we organised a bunch of money-collecting actions and tried desperately to get the attention of the press... The PC's started dripping in... In the end we collected enough money for the transport, but not for our tickets, nor for our stay here. So we decided to finance our tickets and our stay here ourselves. Just in time we recieved a huge donation of screens and PC's and from that moment on good luck shone upon us, we got a couple of very large donations that turned out to be very nessescary here in India since the customs charged us a huge amount of import-taxes on our OWN PC's. We arrived in India and were very nicely welcomed by the school who had provided a very nice appartement for us and a huge classroom. At the moment we have about 30 PC's working in the classroom and the classes are going very fine. We have thought our students the history of PC's, basic PC knowledge about hardware and everything. Further we thought them the basic use of the CLI in Gentoo Linux, now we are teaching them xHTML and we will leave behind a course-book about openOffice.org . We know this is a little short-notice but we would like to invite 2 representatives of your organisation to come and pay a visit to our classroom. We are looking for some people that are apt at using Gentoo-linux, or just linux in general who would like to give up a little of their spare time to keep the network up and running after we have gone... Therefor we would like to invite you to come visit us around 19.00h in our school "Joseph Cardijn Technical School" at Parel. Khashaba Jadhav Marg, Off Dr. Ambedkar Road, Dadar, Mumbai-400014. If you are coming by train, "Elphiston road" station and "Parel" station are the closest, "Dadar" is about 20 minute walk. If you are coming by taxi, ask them to bring you to the back of "Tata Memorial Hospital" in Parel, there ask for the "Mahindra Milestone Workshop" the school is working together with that workshop, and if you arrive their, just ask for the people from "Belgium". Kind regards, Johan - Jan - Tim - Elise - Joeri Allready since my youth, India has attracted me, largly due to my aunt and uncle who were real adventurers and allways spoke very highly of the beauty of India and about the generousity of the people here. So I decided to organise and internship that could help those great people of this great nation. The decision was not hard, the idea i got was going to India to teach the usage of PC's for free and as I talked it over with Jan, we decided to go the whole way, we were going to collect all the necesary PC's and materials ourselves and donate a complete computer-classroom to a school in India. -- --Dinesh Shah :-) <Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com> Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906

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What is the difference between C and C++
by Binulal Narayanan 17 May '05

17 May '05

Dear all: What exactly is the difference between C and C++ - save that we can have OOP in both the languages?! Thanks Binulal Narayanan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by Nadiem 17 May '05

17 May '05

--- rakesh hazra <rakeshhazra(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Hi all, > I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am > unable > to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit > color > depth.During installing I could not find the proper > driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever > I > set > the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works > fine > with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and > video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. > Please guide me. I had the same problem on RH9. I resolved it by increasing the video memory in the BIOS to 16Mb (Or more - don't remember.) Regards, Nadiem. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by Philip Tellis 17 May '05

17 May '05

Sometime Today, Amol Hatwar assembled some asciibets to say: > Who said we can have OOP in C? Kernighan and Ritchie said it through example. Read the book. Then, have a look at the gtk+ project. -- Entropy isn't what it used to be.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by swapnil ambre 17 May '05

17 May '05

concept of CLASSES is not there in C. C++ has the concept of classes. ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 17 May '05

17 May '05

> What exactly is the difference between C and C++ - save that we can >have OOP in both the languages?! We don't have OOP in C. That would be the answer. C++ brought in Encapsulation, Polymorphism, Inheritance, and a whole lot of 'heavy' concepts... Correct me if I'm wrong. Long time since I opened Let Us C Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting details required
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 17 May '05

17 May '05

>Can anyone give me the exact address of the location KReSIT, IIT Bombay(Mumbai)? >Please also specify the best way to get there from Ghatkopar or Vidyavihar. The way I would do it is.. 1. Get to kanjurMarg via train. 2. Get a rick from the towards VT end of the platform(you should see people scurrying like bunnies over the tracks) 10 bucks to IIT Market gate. 3. Get in ..5 min walk to Kresit if you go by the right route. Ask the people manning the gate for directions. No Idea if you need any ID to get in though... Gishu

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HPUX Training.
by Rajendra Rait 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi Linuxers, I would like to know any HP training centres in mumbai which offers courses for HPux(both H/W & S/W administration). Kindly help me. Thankyou for your time. Rajendra Rait.

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changing password in Squirrelmail
by sel 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi all, I am using Squirrelmail 1.4.4 with qmail (with ldap services) ,the problem I am facing is that I can't change the password of the user through Squirrelmail and I am using the change_ldappass-1.7 plugin with the compatibility plugin already installed,but when I try changing the password,it gives me the error: "You must type in your old password.You must type in a new password" but the users can login read and send mails using squirrelmail,what can be the issue? followin is the config file of the change_ldappass plugin. <?php $ldap_server = "localhost"; $ldap_password_field = "userpassword"; $ldap_user_field = "username"; //put the ldap base dn of your server here $ldap_base_dn = "dc=mydomain,dc=com"; $ldap_bind_as_manager = 1; $ldap_manager_dn="cn=root,$ldap_base_dn"; $ldap_manager_pw="secret"; ?> pls let me know what I am doing wrong.thanks in advance. -Sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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Re: was acers latop now OT
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 08:20, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Saturday 14 May 2005 11:28 pm, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil > > to each other. > > if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group I almost took a vow to stay depressed. But now a ray of hope. By public demand (ahem even without ) I promise to be acerbic and spout black humour. Can u imagine using GNU/linux without being so spirited. I mean who would want to be a socialist distributing free software when the vulture capatalistas are circling overhead with gadzillions in cash barely able to avoid the next crash. But then you would have to be a sado-masochist with acute amenisia to use ie exploder on Windows eXtra Problems. And an abominable beast from hell to write programs you sell to customers for use on windows with an office suite on the 20th floor, particularly since i feel a desperate urge to leap from there every time is see a BSOD. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by V.K.Bharadwaj 16 May '05

16 May '05

>>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil >>> to each other. >> if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group >> kg > >I second that! He is part of an endangered species of people who actually speak their minds. >Gishu Friends, Gishu beat me to seconding kg. So I'd 'third' it so to speak, if that helps. This thread (acers laptop) was interesting and educative. I speak probably for many of the lurkers like myself on this group when I say... I've probably never met jtd or kg or Gishu or many like them except via the mail digests of the group. They add great value to the group and many of them have above average skills with their tech-appreciation, sharing, plus language/communications. jtd stays here please, else I may leave too. Vydya PS. Dear list-admin, Due apologies for top-posting earlier. Thanks Vydya

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[OT] LCD Panel
by vaibhav samant 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, Does anyone know, where in Mumbai, can I get an LCD panel along with cables to be connected to my Linux Server. Approx how much do they cost? Thanku. Vai

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Re: cisa/cissp ..any info??
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

Posting this on the list since it might be useful On Sunday 15 May 2005 19:10, Trevor Warren wrote: > Evening JTD, > > Thanks for the frank info. I have a lot of questions for you. > Please help me decipher the answers when you have time on hand > dear. > > >> What would you suggest as the best possible way to get > >> through?. The general pattern is that You need to read the study material from CISA. It includes Q & A at the end of every chapter which gives you a feel of the questions. > >> Is there some specific study pattern you think should > >> be adopted?. Read up the CISA material and practice the sample questions. Generate your own questions and answers. DO NOT MUG the CISA MATERIAL. 2 hrs a day for a month should be enough. But I know of quite a large number "studying" for 3+ hrs for 4 months and failing (i think due to fatigue). Please note that i read the boring stuff cause my CA wanted me to help him and we spent 2 hrs a day for about a 2 months on alternate days. I also attended a few classes conducted by the CISA Mumbai chapter, which i found mostly to be "a general intro to IT by the clueless for the clueless". The questions are multiple choice types, mostly wordplay, twisting simple facts into convoluted statements. The result is that you can't guess answers. And the exam is easy (should be considering that i passed it first shot). > >> Also, has the certification benefitted you in any > >> way?. since i never planned a career in IT audit, i never attempted to use it in any way. But imo it would help (particularly to members on this list since they are clued in to "real" IT), since most financial institutions respect the certification and most banks sponsor candidates for the exam. But one needs to pay extortion fees every year in order to remain a member of the "oh so elite CISA club". In return they offer discounts on some books and periodicals, IT Audit tools etc. > >> Would you recommend any other certification other than a > > CISA/CISSP that would help boost a career from a Techno Managerial > point of view Both would be useful. CISA focuses on general IT infrastructure and CISSP on IT security. Both follow the same principles of audit but in completely different directions. Since RBI has mandated IT audit for banks (and more recently SEBI for companies), It would be a fair guess that demand for these certifications will be high. Competition comes from ICFAI which is offering a similiar certification program. BTW i have been thinking of a CISSP certification since it is considerd to be tough and would love to prove em wrong. rgds jtd > > > Thanks and take care JTD. > > Trevor > > On 5/14/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com <sherlock(a)vsnl.com> wrote: > > On Saturday 14 May 2005 09:39, Trevor Warren wrote: > > > Sirji, > > > > > > Me needs some info and books on cisa/cissp. Any idea whom to > > > turn to?. > > > > Cisa is utterly different from CISSP. > > I took the CISA test for fun (my CA said it was very tough) 4 yrs > > ago and passed first shot (most take at least two attempts). So > > it's quite easy. I think i have photocopies of typical questions > > and answers for CISA. > > http://www.isacamumbai.org > > should help. > > > > rgds > > jtd

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[Commercial] Job Openings for Sys. Admin
by OSPOnline 16 May '05

16 May '05

Greetings Everybody, We have immediate openings for Linux System Administrators. Those interested may send their profiles along with their salary details to admin(a)ospians.com or jobs(a)pearlconsultants.com at the earliest. Regards, Aishwarya

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[Commercial] File System Design & Implementation Training
by Concepts Systems 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hello All, Concepts has always been in forefront for providing software professionals with right directions, methodology to ensure that they remain on cutting edge of development and continue to win, with quality training from experienced Industry Experts. We are extremely happy to announce first of its kind special batch of �File System Design and Implementation for Linux�. During course, our team of File Systems professionals will be on hand to discuss: 1) File System Basics 2) Advanced FS features 3) File System Objects 4) File System Architecture for Linux 5) Fast I/O and Metadata Operations 6) Ext2 implementation overview 7) Kernel Memory Management & Allocation 8) Implementation of dummy file system 9) Overview of advance cluster file system Detail syllabus is available at http://www.conceptssys.com/SyllabusPdf/LinuxFileSystems.pdf Don�t miss this opportunity to see first-hand how Concepts illustrates File System Fundamentals across the Linux platform with a discussion of broader operating systems issues for developers as well as practical issues related to development of file systems and cluster file systems. Prerequisite: Participants must have an understanding of Linux Kernel Programming or have taken �Linux Device Driver� Course. Start Date: 23rd May 2005 Total Duration: 40 Hrs Days: Mon, Wed, Fri Timings: 08:45 AM - 10:15 AM Please note that entries are only with prior registration. If you have any queries feel free to mail us at training(a)conceptssys.com Or call us on 020-25381126. Thanks & Regards, Team, Concepts. www.conceptssys.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 16 May '05

16 May '05

>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil >> to each other. >if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group >kg I second that! He is part of an endangered species of people who actually speak their minds. Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Online Installation of FC3
by saurabh daptardar 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, > On 13 May 2005 08:23:49 -0000, manish kumar > <manish_compbug(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done online. I was not able to find anything on "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to install it online. If anybody of you know how to do that, then please tell me how to proceed. > Steps for network installation 1) The entire distribution should be on the server 2) Copy the files from pxeboot directory to your local machine (initrd.imgand kernel) 3) Add entry to grub.conf and boot using these files 4) Installation process begins. Specify the URL of the distribution ftp://ftp.server.com/.../..../os Regards, Saurabh Daptardar P.S: Is this the write way to post ?

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SITEWATCH: apc.org and Free Software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 15 May '05

15 May '05

------------------------------------------------------------------ SITEWATCH: http://www.apc.org/english/news/os_index.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------ HOME MEMBERS ICT CAPACITY WOMEN ABOUT Version en Espanol POLICY BUILDING & ICT APC The Association for Progressive Communications - Internet and ICTs for Social Justice and Development Free Software Developers tell us about their favourite ActionApps-based site and the benefits for them of using APC's free software MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- *Oliver Zielke of Web Networks, Canada on AttavikApps, a derivation of ActionApps which allows the Inuit to publish online in their own language. *Jaime Torres of Peru on SIA an agrarian system for Peruvian farmers developed by CEPES in Lima *Sarah Escandor-Tomas on the *Voting Campaign for the Presidential Elections Centre for Migrant Advocacy* developed by WomensHub, Philippines. * And more! Audio interviews now ready to listen to. - 04/15/2005 More Free software camp in Asia brought together non-profits and grassroots hackers BANGALORE, India, -- In late January, India's technology mecca Bangalore became the venue for an international 'camp' intended to promote free and open source software (FOSS) among civil society. Asia Source, as the 'tech camp' is called, was held from January 28 to February 4, 2005 and "hopes to bring together over a hundred people from 20 countries to increase the use and awareness of FOSS amongst the non-profit sector in South and South East Asia." - 01/28/2005 More World Social Forum: Open Systems for Open Politics LONDON, UK, -- The World Social Forum has open information systems in place to go with an open political ethos. All of about 1,000 computers at the forum are using free software. The official website has been developed for the first time in 'php,' an open source language. A new translation system is also a free software tool. The Forum is hosted in Brazil, a nation whose government at the first phase of the World Summit on the Information Society held in Geneva in 2003, strongly opposed intellectual property on software, and succeeded in getting this omitted from the final resolution. - 01/26/2005 More >> NGOs, searching long for alternatives, find flavour in alt.software GOA, India, -- For an sector that talks of alternatives, the non-governmental organisations (NGOs) or voluntary sector stays surprisingly aloof from one significant alternative that has really worked -- free software. But there are stirrings to bridge this huge chasm. In end-January, India's technology mecca Bangalore is to be the venue for an international, APC-supported 'camp' meant to promote FLOSS among the NGO sector. - 01/22/2005 More >> Progressive programmers from across the APC and beyond gather in South Africa MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- Progressive technology organisations all over the world met in Cape Town to discuss the future of the free content management system - ActionApps. ActionApps is a software that makes websites easier to manage and more dynamic and facilitates the creation of portal sites, improving the visibility of civil society information. Almost 40 developers from as far afield as Egypt, Cambodia, Spain, Peru and the Philippines debated future plans, sustainability, documentation needs and a new online campaigning action kit for activists which will come to life in 2005. - 11/26/2004 More >> Training on free and open source software for NGOs MANILA, Philippines, -- The Foundation for Media Alternatives (FMA), together with key free and open source software (FOSS) advocates in the country organized a training-workshop for Philippine non-government organizations (NGOs). Held on 28-29 October 2004 and attended by 30 participants from 18 organizations, the learning activity sought to impart not only with the necessary skills and knowledge of FOSS but more importantly, to provide the trainees with the confidence in using FOSS-based applications. - 11/24/2004 More >> Resistance in Hungary to EU proposals on software patenting BUDAPEST, Hungary, -- A crowd of about four hundred turned out to demonstrate against proposed European software patents legislation. It was the first "geeky", free-software related demonstration in Hungary said APC member Green Spider, organised by groups not typically used to leaving their computer screens to get their voices heard. - 09/30/2004 More >> The Zitt Geeks - Young Nigerians turn to computing to improve their job prospects BAYANLOCO, Nigeria, -- The Fantsuam Foundation provides refurbished computers to civil society organisations and partners, runs computer training centres and offers the only internet connection for hundreds of miles around in rural Nigeria. All this in Kafanchan State where electricity is often unavailable and innovators power their computers using car batteries. The Foundation*s work is supported by a home-grown corps of ICT youth volunteers, the Zitt Geeks. The Geeks are already free software devotees and they are the first participants in Fantsuam*s business incubator which provides training, mentoring and funding to enable enterprising youths to become self-employed. - 08/30/2004 More >> Hands-on workshop on free software targets women technicians from Southern Africa JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, -- From 6-10 September 2004 in Johannesburg, South Africa, APC member Women'sNet hosted a southern Africa-wide workshop to build awareness of and demonstrate the potential use of free and open source software (FOSS) in the non-profit sector, and women's organisations specifically. - 08/30/2004 More >> Cambodians have access to Khmer-language email software for the first time PHNOM PEN, Cambodia, -- Until now, a native Cambodian has needed to be able to read in a foreign language to be able to send email in Cambodia. Software was not available in Khmer. But APC's member organisation in Cambodia, the Open Forum, is changing that. The KhmerOS portal, set up earlier this year to bring together previously isolated developers is starting out by providing Khmer translations of well-known free applications such as the powerful e-mail application, Thunderbird. Thunderbird was ready for use after just two months - sixty days earlier than expected! The Open Forum has sent APC the report on their advances in the first half of 2004. - 07/30/2004 More >> Free and open source software sweeps US non-profit tech conference PHILADELPHIA, USA, -- Looking around at the recent Non-Profit Technology Enterprise Network conference in Philadelphia, it would have been easy to think that free and open source software is sweeping the non-profit world. With an attendance of over 700 people, this year's NTEN event featured a full track of six workshops on free and open source software (FOSS) topics - almost all of which were packed. - 04/28/2004 More >> Tea and internet security advice come in the same cup at recent Hungarian green meeting BUDAPEST, Hungary, -- Once again, at the Annual Meeting of Hungarian Green Non-profits (OT2004) APC member Green Spider offered herbal teas and sound internet access, training and advice to participants. Raising awareness of environmental contamination and in support of free software, Green Spider collected up visitors' old CD-roms and exchanged them for new GNU/Linux CDs. - 04/28/2004 More >> Choosing open source software: Decision-making materials for civil society organisations MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- Free and open source software (FOSS) holds a great deal of potential for civil society organisations. The most obvious benefit of FOSS is that it is often free to use or low-cost. However, it also offers more including -crucially- better security. Ddid you know that if your computer uses the GNU/Linux operating system you don't have to use anti-virus software? No more days or data lost recovering from the latest virus... The materials available in the MultiMedia Toolkit's latest unit on FOSS provide an introduction to FOSS, tackling questions like 'what is open source?' and 'how will it benefit my organisation?' They also include practical advice on how to review open source software packages and select the right ones for your organisation. - 03/29/2004 More >> APC ActionApps is one of the top 10 open source tools for e-Activism MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- APC*s free content management system designed specifically for progressive organisations to publish news automatically and share content at the click of a button has been nominated one of the best open source software tools that can be used by activists to spread the message and promote interaction by e-newsletters, forums, blogs, and online petitions. Compiled by Dan Bashaw and Mike Gifford in an article for the Democracies Online Newswire APC ActionApps came out tops along with other well-known applications like PostNuke, Twiki and WebCards. - 02/07/2004 More >> New intellectual property law forces Cambodians to start developing their own Khmer-language software PHNOM PENH, Cambodia, -- *We envision, in 2007, a country where Cambodians can learn and use computers in their own language, a country that does not have to change to a new language in order to use computers!* say the activists behind the new KhmerOS initiative. Until now, computer use in Cambodia has been mostly in English, and mostly using unlicensed copies of Microsoft Windows products. However, a new Cambodian intellectual property law means that a user will have to purchase a license for each copy of software sold by companies such as Microsoft and that*s unaffordable for most Cambodian computer users. This new portal coordinated by APC member, Open Forum of Cambodia, gets together some previously isolated developers and is starting out by providing Khmer translations of well-known free software programmes such as Mozilla (the powerful web browser and mail programme). But the eventual goal is to create a full applications package under GNU/Linux, "which has 90% of all applications which 100% of all users need". Find out more about the motivation behind KhmerOS. - 02/04/2004 More >> Farmers and local government in rural Peru use free APC software LIMA, Peru, -- CEPES, one of APC's newest members, has trained participants in a rural-urban information service to set up a portal and exchange agricultural information from six telecentres in a remote area of the northern Peruvian sierras. A replication of the course is being organised for staff at the Peruvian Ministry of Agriculture's offices in the same region. The technology of choice is APC's free software, APC ActionApps. - 01/29/2004 More >> Idlelo - First African Conference on Digital Commons Cape Town, South Africa, -- The conference addressed the challenges and opportunities of the creation and use of free / open source software and open content and their development potential for Africa. The conference had both strategic and practical objectives, as it sought to bring together participants from government, education, business and civil society together with the developer community. - 01/16/2004 More >> Making it easier to build online information communities using APC*s free software: APC ActionApps MONTVIDEO, Uruguay, -- APC ActionApps allows anyone to publish online without knowing any programming or learning specialised software. It*s a content management system design specifically for progressive organisations. And because it is being developed and adopted all over the world APC ActionApps software is available in English, Spanish, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian, Japanese and German. Find out more about the ActionApps! - 01/05/2004 More >> *Free Software and Digital Inclusion*, a new book published in Brazil RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil, -- Two of the directors of APC member in Rio de Janeiro, RITS, are co-authors of *Free Software and Digital Inclusion* which was published in Brazil in August. *The book is an interesting project,* says RITS information coordinator, Graciela Baroni Selaimen, *and it*s part of a larger much larger digital inclusion initiative by the Sao Paulo e-government which is setting up community telecentres in marginal and often violent neighbourhoods throughout the city.* RITS is administering the telecentres and providing training in the use of free software. Visit RITS. - 09/15/2003 More Foundation for Africa: Action plan for the next three years JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, -- The Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa (FOSSFA) in conjunction with APC has completed an action plan for 2003-2005 and a briefing on the state of FOSS in Africa. - 07/02/2003 More >> HOME | MEMBERS | INTERNET RIGHTS | CAPACITY BUILDING | WOMEN & ICT | ABOUT APC Copyleft Association for Progressive Communications APC 1999 - 2005 - Contact APC .......................................................................... Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490 | http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..........................................................................

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Re: Re: Meeting details required
by Roshan 15 May '05

15 May '05

have u ever used google ? do u have access to internet ? if yes use this link http://www.google.co.in/search?q=reaching+iitb Actually, Later on I found you from ilug's website how to reach...Sorrry for not having a look at the website :-( who conducts ? its a community - anyone who can spare few hrs a month getting a venue and topic on in place. who heads the org of linux users ? who heads linux ? who heads internet ? The question I had put up, was, with the intention of thinking that there is someone who initiates a meeting and later on information is passed on to everyone, and that someone is the person who actually is responsible for forming this group in Mumbai. Secondly, I thought he/she would represent the community worldwide. read the archives ... fyi its eclipse ... :) I got the idea of the meeting, however, I thought I could give presentation about some topic related to GNU/Linux distros. (Small presentation) :) -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 15 May '05

15 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. >;) Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to months... Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external parts of the lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall off then you need to pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They only have warranty for the internal parts. I own a dell. It costed me a pretty penny and I can vouch for their build quality and after sales service :) And their warranty covers all parts - internal and external ;). They cover everything but dont protect against arson or theft. Regards, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Meeting details required
by Roshan 15 May '05

15 May '05

Hi everyone, Can anyone give me the exact address of the location KReSIT, IIT Bombay(Mumbai)? Please also specify the best way to get there from Ghatkopar or Vidyavihar. I would also like to know who actually conducts the meetings and who heads this organization of Linux Users. Do the members of this group give presentations in the meetings? What is the agenda of the meeting Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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Resizing partitions
by Nikhil Marathe 15 May '05

15 May '05

I am trying to reduce the size of a partition. In the various guides i read they have told to first resize the filesystem then delete and recreate the partition with fdisk. But how do I get the resized fs size in sectors and won't deleting the partition and recreating it delete the filesystem on it and the data with it.(I have a backup) Nikhil

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cissp/cisa study material
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 14 May '05

14 May '05

CISSP A cissp study book is available at computer Book Shop DN Road Fort Mumbai 400 001 For CISA visit their site and enroll yourself You will start getting their regilar mails and snail-mails Also at Matunga the CISA conducts regular courses for their June exams Bookings usually starts at Nov-Dec and closes by Feb Mahesh Deshpande Tel 09322034838

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cissp/cisa study material[ot]
by Trevor Warren 14 May '05

14 May '05

Morning Guys/Gals, Any idea about the CISA/CISSP exams and where i can lay me hands on some cisa/cissp study material. Thanks and take care. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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DLink ADSL Site
by Rony Bill 13 May '05

13 May '05

Dear Friends, I came across this usefull site from dlink for MTNL's adsl modem. http://www.dlink.com.au/Default.aspx?ArticleID=730 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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[OT]Mozilla Arbitrary Code Execution Security Flaw
by Asit Vadhavkar 13 May '05

13 May '05

FYI : http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6582 - asit.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Friday 13 May 2005 13:17, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > > >Try getting a scratched LCD replaced from ANY vendor. Or a crashed > >disk / Mobo if the body is dented or cracked. The warranties cover > >ONLY manufacturing defects not intentional or accidental misuse or > >use beyond the rated capacity. Read the fine print in the > > warranty. > > Umm...do I need to rewrite my post which I wrote for saswata's > reply? Dell does cover scratched screens, crashed disks / mobo, > dented, cracked body etc EXCEPT arson and theft.... And yes, I have > read the fine print and NO its not just against manufacturing > defects. > > *oh the ignorance!* Just to clear your ignorance, and inattention to detail Dell's standard warranty does not cover anything other than manufacturing defects. They have a "CompleteCover" warranty for which you pay more. And this warranty is valid only in some countries of Asia.So if u damage your laptop in London you will have to get back to one of these asian countries to get your warranty. But to keep the record straight the cost of the "CompleteCover" will determine wether it is useful to all. Imo a 15% hike in price would be justified. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Online Installation of FC3
by Nadiem 13 May '05

13 May '05

--- Arun Khan <arunkha(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 13 May 2005 08:23:49 -0000, manish kumar > <manish_compbug(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done > online. I was not able to find anything on > "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to > install it online. If anybody of you know how to do > that, then please tell me how to proceed. > > > > I suppose by online you mean, over the network. I've done it lots of times on RHEL. You need to copy the installation CDs to a server. Then boot your client from the first CD and type "linux askmethod" on the splash screen. Select the appropriate method from the menu. If you select NFS, then NFS should be properly configured on the server to export the installation files that you copied. Regards, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ristricted download
by Sameer Niphadkar 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Fri, 13 May 2005 dhaval thakar wrote : > >dear all > i want to ristrict download for my user 3mb/day > >if he crossed his net should get blocked >even if he was just surfing and occupied 3mb > Taken from squid.conf # The coss store type: # # block-size=n defines the "block size" for COSS cache_dir's. # Squid uses file numbers as block numbers. Since file numbers # are limited to 24 bits, the block size determines the maximum # size of the COSS partition. The default is 512 bytes, which # leads to a maximum cache_dir size of 512<<24, or 8 GB. Note # you should not change the coss block size after Squid # has written some objects to the cache_dir. # # Common options: # # read-only, this cache_dir is read only. # # max-size=n, refers to the max object size this storedir supports. # It is used to initially choose the storedir to dump the object. # Note: To make optimal use of the max-size limits you should order # the cache_dir lines with the smallest max-size value first and the # ones with no max-size specification last. # # Note that for coss, max-size must be less than COSS_MEMBUF_SZ # (hard coded at 1 MB). # try reading the file for more info rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Online Installation of FC3
by manish kumar 13 May '05

13 May '05

Hi, I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done online. I was not able to find anything on "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to install it online. If anybody of you know how to do that, then please tell me how to proceed. Regards, Manish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 20:56, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > > > >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire > > 3002 NLC (running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > > I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. Oh must have had ie exploiter installed. them varmits come free with it. > > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem > > with that. ;) > > Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to > months... > > Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external > parts of the lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall > off then you need to pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They > only have warranty for the internal parts. I own a dell. It costed > me a pretty penny and I can vouch for their build quality and after > sales service :) And their warranty covers all parts - internal and > external ;). They cover everything but dont protect against arson > or theft. Try getting a scratched LCD replaced from ANY vendor. Or a crashed disk / Mobo if the body is dented or cracked. The warranties cover ONLY manufacturing defects not intentional or accidental misuse or use beyond the rated capacity. Read the fine print in the warranty. rgds jtd

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ristricted download
by dhaval thakar 13 May '05

13 May '05

dear all i want to ristrict download for my user 3mb/day if he crossed his net should get blocked even if he was just surfing and occupied 3mb i m using squid as a proxy server thanks in advance

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a history of free software Ch. 8
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

The Daemon, the GNU and the Penguin, Ch. 8 - by Peter Salus http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050509140911151 rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by tramsmai 12 May '05

12 May '05

"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"<linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> wrote: Hi all, I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am unable to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit color depth.During installing I could not find the proper driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever I set the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works fine with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. Please guide me. hi, If your graphics card is of Nvidia u need to download the drivers corresponding to the graphics card and then install them go to Nvidia's website and you will find the instructions and drivers bye ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Abhishek Daga 12 May '05

12 May '05

--- Dinesh Joshi <dinesh_pro(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > > >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC > >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > > I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. > > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. > >;) > > Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to months... > > Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external parts of the > lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall off then you need to > pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They only have warranty for the > internal parts. I own a dell. It costed me a pretty penny and I can vouch > for their build quality and after sales service :) And their warranty covers > all parts - internal and external ;). They cover everything but dont protect > against arson or theft. > While we are on the topic of promoting the various brands, I'd say there is surely a connection between Toshibas and rock solid performance. especially the Tecra series.. almost battlefield standards. Alright, out you IBM and Sony lovers. Though it would take a shareholder of HP-Compaq user to promote their brand.. :) Or would they dare? -abhi Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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[OT] - Linux Book for beginners
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi, Don't know if this is old news... Just snagged a book off the shelves.. Linux Bible 2005 - Chris. Negus. (I got it for rs.440) I'm just about to finish the 2nd chapter. so far so good ... not ready to comment on the book yet. But the killer thing is that the book comes with a DVD + CD ( the list as far I could see) DVD - Knoppix (bootable), RedHat FC 2, Slackware, SUSE LiveCD CD - Damn Small Linux (bootable - a knoppix variant), Debian Sarge Knoppix rocks! Yesterday was the historic day that I heard an mp3 play from linux + the sweet thing was that I was running linux off a Disc. No partitioning, no installation woes. "It simply worked !!!" I'd recommend this for someone who is just trying out Linux for the first time and doesn't want to "Initialize" his HDD Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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global address book using Open LDAP?
by agencies_ad1＠sancharnet.in 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hello. Is there any comprehensive how to out there to set up global address book using Open LDAP? Thank you Komal ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program

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Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by rakesh hazra 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi all, I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am unable to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit color depth.During installing I could not find the proper driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever I set the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works fine with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. Please guide me. ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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bad magic number in superblock
by Karia Amit 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi all, I am trying to open file system through debugfs command and then /open command under it however its giving me 'bad magic number in superblock while opening file system' error how do i go about resolving it please guide as i want to list all deleted files in last 5 days "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Amit Karia +919819851812

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] India eyes own open-source license
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 12 May '05

12 May '05

On Thursday 12 May 2005 00:49, Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5701861.html > > India eyes own open-source license > By Michael Kanellos, CNET News.com > Published on ZDNet News: May 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT > > MUMBAI, India--In the seemingly never-ending quest to balance > openness with profits, one of India's more influential professors > is devising yet another open-source licensing program. > > Deepak Phatak of the Indian Institute of Technology has kicked off > an effort to create the Knowledge Public License, or KPL, a > licensing program that will let programmers share ideas with one > another while at the same time allowing them to retain the rights > to their own software modifications. the gpl automatically retains the copyrights of the creator with the creator. The creator assigns these rights to others. He can also provide the same work with any other licence he chooses. What the gpl specifically disallows is taking this code and using it without providing the recipients the rights granted by the contributor and contributors with accreditation etc. Nothing prevents you or me from obtaining a piece of code under a different licence form the copyright holder. With all due respect to the justifiably lauded Prof. Pathak, I see this licence as yet another (doomed) attempt like the Sun licence. What commercial organisations would love to do is get their hands on other's work without having to do the hardwork or paying. IMO you can take copyrighted code, read it and REIMPLEMENT it independently. But that would be incredible hard with gpld code because gpld code resolves quickly with the most optimal solution. Recoding would mostly end up with a much less than optimal solution, not counting other very MAJOR cost factors like testing and documenting and paying for people who can actually think. IMO its not the licence but the bussiness model which needs some creative thinking. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 12 May '05

12 May '05

Whatever can be done to reduce the cost of affordable computing be it Free Software / Open Source / Closed Software....market forces will see its adoption. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 12 May '05

12 May '05

Shanti bhuva...!!!. The despicable person in me decided to take a long hike and stop yapping crap.:D. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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India eyes own open-source license
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 11 May '05

11 May '05

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5701861.html India eyes own open-source license By Michael Kanellos, CNET News.com Published on ZDNet News: May 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT MUMBAI, India--In the seemingly never-ending quest to balance openness with profits, one of India's more influential professors is devising yet another open-source licensing program. Deepak Phatak of the Indian Institute of Technology has kicked off an effort to create the Knowledge Public License, or KPL, a licensing program that will let programmers share ideas with one another while at the same time allowing them to retain the rights to their own software modifications. The license will likely function much like the Berkeley Software Distribution or the MIT License programs, he added. The idea is to create an environment where developers can take advantage of the collaborative power of the open-source movement while giving individuals the ability to exploit their own twists. Ideally, such a program could also help ease the raging tensions between the open-source software movement and proprietary software companies. "The free software people are afflicted by what I call the J factor, which is the jealousy factor. The proprietary people are afflicted by the G factor, the greed factor. They want to maximally extract money from the world," Phatak said in an interview here. "I am working to tell the world, 'Please permit these groups to coexist peacefully and harmoniously. There is a tremendous advantage to everyone.'" "Legally, we have to move very carefully because the Americans have a tendency to sue anybody for anything," he added. The number of open-source licensing programs has expanded rapidly in the past few years. Under some programs, such as the General Public License, developers have to publish their modifications if the modifications are used outside their own operations. Many in the open-source community have complained about the proliferation of licensing models and taken action to curtail the numbers. Budding software powerhouse If anything, Phatak's licensing proposal comes with the power of numbers. India's 1,750 colleges with computer science and electrical engineering degrees admit about 250,000 students a year, he said. That's up from 1983, when there were 70 colleges admitting 5,000 students a year. Combined with the boom in outsourcing, this makes India one of the major centers for software development. A contest sponsored by Red Hat seeking new concepts for open-source software drew more than 2,000 proposals, Phatak said. Winners will be announced in a few weeks. Phatak has also created the Ekalavya program to stimulate open-source ideas. Under the program (named after a Hindu legend), students submit ideas to a collaborative portal. Those with promising ideas are then linked up with mentors in the industry. "Let me tell you my dream: Today, India is a net taker in the open-source community. In four years, I want the world to recognize India as a net giver, and that is entirely possible" he said. While collaboration between universities and private enterprise is not as pervasive in India as it is in the U.S., it's growing, according to many sources. For instance, start-ups created to exploit technology that was developed at universities have begun to pop up, according to Rishi Navani, managing director at WestBridge Capital Partners, a venture firm specializing in Indo-U.S. investments. One example is Strand Genomics, which specializes in analytical software for drug discovery and development. Professors at major institutions such as the Indian Institute of Technology or the Indian Institute of Science also sit on technology advisory boards with corporations and government agencies, which are often run by their former students. ("The IIT is a big club," said one graduate.) Recently, a large insurance company adopted thin clients rather than PCs in part because an IIT study showed that it could cut ownership costs by about two-thirds, Phatak said. A recent visitor to Phatak's office was Microsoft Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie. "I told him a competitive price point (for a desktop OS) would be in the single digit dollars," Phatak said. END OF FORWARDED STORY [Thanks to Sunil Abraham for drawing attention to this story.-FN] _____ _/ ____\____ Frederick Noronha (FN) * Freelance Journalist \ __\/ \ Goa India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.goanet.org \/

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Word wrapping in Emacs
by Sandesh Singh 11 May '05

11 May '05

I wanted to know how to set up word-wrapping in Emacs. I went to the top level customization group -> Editing -> Fill and set a few options, but there seems to be no difference. Also, will the word wrapping work if I go back and press a few backspaces? Is there a way to justify-align my text documents? Like the man pages that come fully-filled to 80 columns (padded with spaces)? -- Sandy (http://sandesh247.blogspot.com) He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others. -- Samuel Johnson

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] delete file from inode number
by Nadiem 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Suppose i have some file with some difficult > character for ex ■hel∞.sh in linux . I > want to delete the file from inode number how do i > do that.. is it possible to delete the file if we > have just the inode number rm `find -inum xxxx` where xxxx is the inode number. Regards, Nadiem. Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html

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delete file from inode number
by Karia Amit 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi all, Suppose i have some file with some difficult character for ex ■hel∞.sh in linux . I want to delete the file from inode number how do i do that.. is it possible to delete the file if we have just the inode number "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Amit Karia +919819851812

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RTlinux training in Mumbai
by onkar mahajan 11 May '05

11 May '05

I am looking for RTOs training in Mumbai (preferably Main/Hrbr line). Can any one help me. Onkar Mahajan

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party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 11 May '05

11 May '05

FYI. http://news.com.com/AMD+debuts+low-cost+Net+device/2100-1042_3-5430689.html… Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Venkatesh Hariharan 11 May '05

11 May '05

The next GLUG meet will be held on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. The topic for this GLUG meet will be Eclipse, an integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM. Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. You can read more about Eclipse at www.eclipse.org. Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp I am not aware of past history but this could be the first pan-Indian GLUG meet!!! This GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: 1) Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai 2) Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded 3) Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai 4) Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore 5) Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune 6) Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur 7) Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa 8) Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune 9) K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon 10) Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad 11) Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. See you all on the 22nd of May, 3PM for a non-solar Eclipse! Venky

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acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Erle Pereira 11 May '05

11 May '05

Acers Laptop Ad in Times of India (today: 9th May '05), page 15.the "fine print" *** "the Linux that is loaded is a free version and would have limited functionality until another operating system is installed" *** this is really stupid!... can anything be done to educate the acer guys? this doesn't make any sense. It is extremely misleading. What "Missing / defunct " functionality are they talking about? I think it will take us very little time to get *fully* functional *free* *Linux* working on that laptop that they can give out. anyone has any contact with acer? Free software doest work like proprietary stuff which revels in *limited" functionality. Ads like these are _extremely misleading, damaging and do more to confuse people about GNU / FSF than anything else. more M$ fud ? c'ya Erle

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Abhishek Daga 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > FYI. > > http://news.com.com/AMD+debuts+low-cost+Net+device/2100-1042_3-5430689.html… > > Trevor > I was about to put out a missing person AD for Trevor Warren and his insights and posts. What gives? Are you gagged or is a silence vow in place? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GPL related clarification sought
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 11 May '05

11 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 20:27, Abhishek Daga wrote: > >--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > I am absolutely sure of the above. However IANAL. So take a legal > > opinion from two lawyers together a copyright expert and a > > contract expert if you plan on tangling legally with RH or Suse > > or whoever. If you are planning a bussiness by placing > > restrictions on the recipient, perish the thought. > > > > Final word. If the original code is gpld, you can copy and > > distribute the code and the binary to your hearts content - > > contract or no contract. > > Thank you. great insights. > > a) As far as placing restrictions on the recipients.. Well, not > that I would, but if I could, wouldnt that be so cool? It would not. Apart from the moral and legal issues it is a pain to maintain upgrades to your code given the everchanging hardware and software environment. A case in point M$ lifted the bsd tcpip stack and yet their closed version has far more security flaws a few yrs later than a newer bsd and linux stack. quite obviously they do not have the resources to foldback new developments from bsd into their own stuff or the ie exploder which was also based on a NCSA rendering engine (afaik). > > b) Not planning to tangle with Suse or RH, but am wondering, > whether I need to "buy" 40 licences or subscriptions to RHEL or > SuSe when I could buy 1 and load on all. How would it affect my > working. Would I be breaking the law in any form and can anyone > kick my butt for it. They can stop you from accessing their upgrade services. That is all. In any case imo you are better off with Debian if you are not using RH's / Suse's services. Using their services allows you to concentrate on your bussiness instead of worrying about a million different things. It also helps a lot in pointing a finger when things go wrong (with GNU/Linux hardly ever). > > Since an "activation" is required, would i be able to start it at > all? No idea at all. > > Not that RHI has shown any interest in making me a paid customer > despite a couple of requests. I guess business must already be > super for them which in turn means Open Source is already quite > happening on a commercial scale. go RH. GNU/Linux is definetly a very happening place I assure you. Particularly in organizations with poor IT setups. And there are many such with 300 up pcs and a handful of servers. Why should RH be bothered with 40 machines, when the same effort can rake in the cash for 400. Which is why Linux on the home user desktop has not caught on as much as it should - it does not make commercial sense. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Clinton Goveas 11 May '05

11 May '05

Amol Hatwar wrote: > Pedantically, there is a lot of difference between cost-effective, > inexpensive and cheap ;). And its a good thing most of us know that difference. -- Clinton Goveas - http://www.clintongoveas.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 10 May '05

10 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. >;) > >Pedantically, there is a lot of difference between cost-effective, >inexpensive and cheap ;). I forgot to mention. The dell is running Fedora Core :) Regards, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GPL related clarification sought
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 May '05

10 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 15:05, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 10/05/05 01:53 -0700, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > > > > Questions > > a) Does that mean I can buy 1 copy of SuSe/Xandros/RHES/ and > > distribute it as many times as I want? > > RHES is distributed under a specific (FSF approved) contract. Ask > your lawyer for information on the specifics. whatever the contract says u dont care. If the contract prevents u from excersing the rights as assigned in the gpl, the contract is null and void and RH Suse whoever cannot distribute or prevent you from distributing. > > > b) Some Linux distros have the system of activation keys. Is that > > in violation of GPL terms? Which distro. One such - Fortinet - lost a case and gpld everything. " News.com reports that Fortinet has settled its GPL violation suit. "Fortinet has agreed to provide the source code of the Linux kernel and other GPL-licensed components to any interested party. The code is available upon request, for the cost of distribution, from the Fortinet Web site. The company has also agreed to modify its licensing agreement to include the GPL licensing terms with all Fortinet shipments. The settlement agreement also states that no Fortinet partners are subject to legal action." > > For Instance, if I am required to activate my Distro online then > > logically the same activation key will NOT work for the copies of > > the distro? Which therefore prevents me from giving it away for > > free? The activation key is for updates from their website. Quite obviously bandwidth costs money. Hence the machines with copies you make will not be permitted to connect to the website. You could ofcourse setup your own website with the upgrades and have your clones connect to the same. > > Again, ask your lawyer for advice. > > > So is the original statement on that site itself interpreted > > incorrectly or I am reading it out of context? > > This deals with the specifics of copyright and contract laws, and > as such, the best person to answer this would be your lawyer. Read my first line - contract or no contract - u dont care. You cannot have a contract that violates some other part of the law. In this case the rights assigned to a recipient is contingent on the fact that the same right is automatically assigned to the next recipient, without exception of any kind. So if distributor signs a contract to the contrary with anyone they have automatically abrogated their right to distribute and are in fact in violation of the copyrights of numerous contributors to the distro. The contract they have made you sign is illegal and they have willfully committed an illegal act. and have no right to distribute. And as a result you are not bound by the contract and are free to distribute and that you too could file a suit of fraud against distributor for misleading you into an illegal contract. However you cannot file a copyright violation suit against distributor, unless you are a code contributor (Afaik Philip Tellis could do so as also Karunakar of Indic fame). Note that contracts permit two parties to sign away their own rights, not the rights of others, which is what this contract does. This is irrespective of the fact that distributor is offering a service of compiling, debugging, packaging etc. These services are what they can charge for. Infact they can charge the recipient without providing any of these services. Eg you cannot have a contract with me to sell Devdas' house, because u dont own it.But suppose Devdas leases his house to you with a clause permitting subleasing, subject to the condition that the subleasee can further sublease in whole or part and that no leasee can remove this clause in their downstream sublease contract. Then you can sublease to me some or all part of the apartment and i can do the same and so on. Note that we cannot introduce a clause preventing subleasing as per the original contract. So If i sign a contract with someone else preventing sub leasing, i immediately loose the right to sublease. However I can continue to use my portion of the apartment. I am absolutely sure of the above. However IANAL. So take a legal opinion from two lawyers together a copyright expert and a contract expert if you plan on tangling legally with RH or Suse or whoever. If you are planning a bussiness by placing restrictions on the recipient, perish the thought. Final word. If the original code is gpld, you can copy and distribute the code and the binary to your hearts content - contract or no contract. rgds jtd

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