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installing rpm packages in fedora core 3
by kevin rodrigues 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

Hi, I was a windows user. I just recently switched to fedora core 3. the learning part for switching to linux is very exciting. but i find one thing confusing. in fedora, when i want to install an application (rpm format), i have to install it from the shell using rpm command. is there an existing application in fedora which will allow me to install the rpm packages from the gui? also when i install applications in windows, it gets added to program files folder by default. in linux in which folder do the application files go. why dont the applications installed appear in the start menu? it becomes very difficult to know what applications are installed. please excuse me if i posted something wrong as i am quite naive in using linux right now. Regards, Kevin

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Linux .bash_profile
by Richard Chang 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

Hi All, New to shell programming, Just want to learn more and more aout it. I am trying to learn more and more daily but stumble upon certain things for which I really dont have any answer. Learning about .bash_profiles now. I would like to know how to apply environment variables edited or typed into the .bash_profile script without logging out and relogging in. Suppose I implement certain changes to the .bash_profile of a user( thru which I have currently logged in) and want to implement the changes without relogging in. How do we do it ? esp if we login thru X and edit it under x-term. Thanks in advance for any help. Richard

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Fedora Installatioin Problems
by Amit Bagadia 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

i just got a FEDORA CORE 3 installation CD pack of 4 i started installing and i completed the HDD partitioning. and labeling but after that it just hangs. i mean the GUI just starts being funny,the screen merges into one another when i press next. one more thing, i tried around 4 types of mice, ps/2, 2 serial port, USB. all of them get detected during the initial screen as it tells me what kind of mouse is connected. but after that i cannot operate the installation. i mean the mouse doesnt work at all. can anyone help out? can anyone tell me what do i do?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora Installatioin Problems
by Kenneth Gonsalves 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

On Friday 08 Apr 2005 8:11 am, Amit Bagadia wrote: > well hello kenneth > my apologies for not telling the total detials. > i got a P-III 500Mhz CPU, > with 327 SDRAM > 40GB HDD > and on-board integrated graphics (4MB i think) integrated graphics cards usually use the system ram - so make sure the ram allotted in the bios to the grahics card is the highest possible > the rest of the config is not of issue > so do u still think it is a problem with my graphics? > still i will give it a try and let you know. please post to the list only -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.sourceforge.net ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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Gaming on SUSE - 27th April.
by Amish Munshi 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hello All, Onward Novell has arranged for a session on Gaming on Linux. Attend a 2 hour session on gaming with Linux and enjoy SUSE Linux with Novell. Topics : 1. Gaming on SUSE Linux (Level Intermediate) This month Novell offers the fun and adventure on SUSE Linux. Its time for a break from the Work@Linux and entertain yourself and your friends with amazing games available on SUSE. Speaker - Rajeev R K. Venue : Onward Novell Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 62, 13th Street, MIDC, Andheri (East) Mumbai, 400093 India +91-09820931263 Duration : 5:30 - 8:00 PM Date : April 27, 2005 Registration : Limited seats are available, please register at the following URL at the earliest. There is no charge for attending the event. http://www.novell.com/offices/asiapac/india/linux/registration.html Please circulate this mail to anyone who might be interested. Amish.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Upgrade
by ryan coelho 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 Rony Bill wrote : >Richard Chang wrote: >>Is it possible to load the kernel.rpm for FC1, FC2 or FC3 onto RHL9. I suppose we cannot. >>Sometime back I saw an article on how to upgrade the kernel using the rpm utility. But I tried it and failed. >> > >In our class, our sir gave a precautionary advice to us newbies to load the new kernel seperately side by side and then select it in the grub loader. In case it doesn't match your system or creates problems, we can go back to the existing one without any worry. > >Regards, > >Rony. Dear Rony, I am very happy that you do remember these small details because in linux, it does matter. It is also an admirable acheivement, from your side to thirst the knowledge that makes a world of difference . I am very much Happy to know the kind of dedication the Luggers have for Linux Ryan Sir. > >-- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Kernel Upgrade
by Richard Chang 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hi Guys, Has anyone tried to update the Kernel. I want to try but dont know if the kernels available in Kernel.org will work on my RH9 system. I want to download and install a new kernel in my system and don't know how to go about it. Any one who know how to do it is welcome. Thanx, Richard

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and Linux
by agencies_ad1＠sancharnet.in 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Quoting Amol Hatwar <amol(a)hatwar.org>: > Komal, it's probably because the dealers aren't conversant with GNU/Linux > and thus cant offer support. It's wrong on Tally Solutions to just introduce > a product without ensuring the ecosystem around it thrives. > > Untill "Tally Solutions" realizes this... It's better to stick with popular > GNU accounting packages. > And What are the *popular GNU accounting packages* available?" I am fully aware about AVSAP and GNUCash. Regards, Komal > Reagrds, > > ah ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and Linux
by Abhishek Daga 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

> Even with Tally and Galileo running on linux, (sorry to burst your > bubble) you would not become revolutionary crusader with number one > this and that. > Before Windows 95, India was a Unix country ... same feelings would have > come to person who tried out Windows 95 for the first time. methinks you missed my point completely. I hope you dont take your work also this seriously. burnout is a B word. > Basic idea is to proliferate open source, if you still have to use tally > for your day today work, its as much of a bleamish as using Windows. But my immediate goal is not to be a fully openSource user, but just a WindowsFree user. (And yes, Macs are out of question too). > There are open source accounting softwares available which might be able > to fulfill your needs if you make some effort Appreciate the feedback and links, but like I said, I just want to avoid meat, not become a vegan. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Never do this if u luv ur nux-box
by Raj Shaz 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

I cleaned my links ( by using $cleanlinks cmd ) inside INIT directories ...ie rcS,rc1,rc2 ( /etc/rc*) Now i have lost all the these bootup files ....the good part is ive not lost all of these files , but yes most (importants ) of them and the worst part it ..with the rest of the files i can hadly play around Can someone help me know if i can make them all over again without installating nux. Raj

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Tally and Linux
by Abhishek Daga 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

The Tally dealer insists that 6.3 version of Tally will work on Linux as server AND client and once purchased, i can upgrade for free to 7.2 My question is, if it were already working on linux as server and client, why would Tally partner with Redhat and why would they make a big deal about it. Can anyone let me know if it really works without getting any special linux only version, before I actually invest in it? thanks abhishek __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tally and Linux
by Abhishek Daga 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

> This whole Tally on *RHEL* is plain marketing gimmick. I went to Tally mela. > All > dealers were ignoring Tally on Linux like a plague. Nobody was willing to talk > about Tally on Linux. They want us to purchase Tally on Windows. Ok, but here is my question again. Is there something like a Tally on Windows SEPERATED from a Tally for Linux? Doesnt matter what the dealer likes or not. If it exists, then I'll beat it out of them, but if it doesnt, then I'll only be pushing against a wall. Without Tally and Galileo on Linux, I cannot be the revolutionary crusader who achieved Mumbai's first window less office building. -abhishek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux .bash_profile
by Raseel Bhagat 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Just give the source command : source .bash_profile man source to find out more On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 Richard Chang wrote : >Hi All, >New to shell programming, Just want to learn more and more aout it. I am trying to learn more and more daily but stumble upon certain things for which I really dont have any answer. > >Learning about .bash_profiles now. I would like to know how to apply environment variables edited or typed into the .bash_profile script without logging out and relogging in. Suppose I implement certain changes to the .bash_profile of a user( thru which I have currently logged in) and want to implement the changes without relogging in. How do we do it ? esp if we login thru X and edit it under x-term. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Richard >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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CD or DVD recquired
by Derwyn Dpenha 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Does any one have mandrake 10 DVD which came with LFY Derwyn

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PCQ2005 Installation Report
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

On Wednesday 06 April 2005 16:20, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > > >I have used it on the following hardware without a hitch. > > "It" refers to Debian Sarge or PCQLinux 2004? > > >Uptime is 3 months and counting (if this box konks out 700 people > > will be locked out of office, an me will get some broken bones). > > Whats the configuration of the box? Via P4m266a with piv celeron 2.8 GHz 128mb 120GB hd. LAPP installed and running 24/7. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by Abhishek Daga 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

> For modem, be on the prowl around the dealers who > get a lot of old systems under buyback offers and they may have working > external modems to sell. My beef with external modems is the power supply being outside the box. Somehow I am always 1 plug point short no matter how many I have. Maybe it could be added to Mishra's laws. (Or was it murphy's). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux .bash_profile
by Nadiem 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

--- Richard Chang <richard(a)hinditron.com> wrote: > Learning about .bash_profiles now. I would like to > know how to apply environment variables edited or > typed into the .bash_profile script without logging > out and relogging in. Suppose I implement certain > changes to the .bash_profile of a user( thru which I > have currently logged in) and want to implement the > changes without relogging in. How do we do it ? esp > if we login thru X and edit it under x-term. source ~/.bash_profile Regards, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PCQ2005 Installation Report
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

On Tuesday 05 April 2005 22:30, Rony Bill wrote: > Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > I would really recommend using FC2. Also, try debian 3.0. It was > > given with PCQ DVD a while ago. Works great! > > If its not too much of a bother, can you or anyone give me a copy > of these cds in exchange for blank MosherBayer CDs? Please write to > me privately, off this list. I can give you a copy of PCQ 2004 dec which has Debian Sarge. Since we are exchanging in kind it is commercial transaction and a commercial distro - fully legal - which you can copy and redistribute and you are encouraged to do so. For details visit http://www.debian.org. I have used it on the following hardware without a hitch. Via p4m266a Piv celeron 128mb (sound is Half duplex on some of these boards). I865 P IV 3.3 GHz 256 MB full duplex sound IBM T70 thinkpad Iball laptop (actually an I855 clone from china) The Via setup burns cds/dvd, plays music /videos, connects to the net with umpteen isps, uses usb flash storage, and does everything that i want it to do. Uptime is 3 months and counting (if this box konks out 700 people will be locked out of office, an me will get some broken bones). Caveat I know what i want done and i know the capabilities and limitations of the hardware. If you are running a production system, you must have Reasonable net access for security patches and updates. rgds jtd

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TV Tuner
by Revant 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Can you people suggest me any TV tuner card and related things? What I want from it is: 1) It MUST work on Linux (Mostly Debian/Ubuntu) 2) It should have AV Composite so that I can play my playstation on computer with sound 3) It should be relatively easy to configure. I'd prefer autodetection 4) It should be avaliable in Mumbai market .... grant road. I tried My friend's BT878P+ Pixelview, It works fine and is autodetected, Only problem is, It has only AV Composite -- Video wire, i.e Yellow, there is no Audio Left-Right female thing on the card, So I never got to try it with sound

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem related to porting Linux on mpc8248 based board
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

On Tuesday 05 April 2005 17:01, Vikrant_Basotra wrote: > Hi All, > > We are having a problem with porting of linux to the 8248 based > custom board. > > We are using the linux kernel image modified to work on an EP8248 > (having the MPC8248 Processor) Board. We have our board configured > the same as the EP8248 board. We have made no changes to the Kernal You have to change the memory maps. Looks like you are writing to flash or empty space. ---chop--- > ******************************************************************* >******* This email (including any attachments) is intended for the > sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that > is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or > reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any > or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If > you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by > email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is > appreciated. > ******************************************************************* >******* This is a public mailing list so stop sending anything that is soo confidential and private. and remove these pointless messages and conserve public disk space and bw. In any case you should be encrypting confidential and private. rgds jtd

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Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by Derwyn Dpenha 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

> I too am looking for a good desktop which would run smoothly on a Celeron 333 / P-II 220 / AMD K6 433 type PCs with good gui menus & functionality. > > I believe CDWriter, Sound, Web camera & Modem are all that a regular PC user at home and office would require. The older desktops like Twm or simple X would suit your purpose. Try a older version of kde or gnome too it should work but the graphics will not be as great. (My old celeron use to work with around the same config as yours). Derwyn.

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Graphics in C on linux
by Floyd rulz! 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Hello all, I'd like to know if there is a way to graphics programming on GNU/Linux .. something very similar to what I'd do in C on windows using Borland C. Just some basic graphic programming .. output of which could be displayed in the terminal or something. Thanks in advance Cheers Abhijeet

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PCQ2005 Installation Report
by Rony Bill 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Dear Friends, The PCQ Linux 2005 in the March 2005 issue is fully packed with features and its free. The system it was installed on was a P4 2.4 Ghz and Intel 845 GEBV2 motherboard. Its foundation is the Fedora Core3 linux. It has so many installation choices that its very difficult to choose. However, once you select the broader choice, before the installation starts, it gives you a package list and that is where individual packages of any type can be selected. It has a grub loader and during installation it asks if you want to add additional entries. It does not detect the existing RedHat installation and the manually added partition entry in its dialogue box is useless. The installation was smooth and everything went fine. There is however a minor hiccup of internal modem not detecting and surprisingly the 2.6 kernel does not detect my sound card, even though RHEL's 2.4 does. An older machine's external modem has been added to the system so that issue is tackled and net access is fantastic. Since there are less security programs running compared to XP, the net experience is racy. The sound driver module will have to be compiled according to Intel's website. The PCQ forum has a solution of running some sndconfig rpm but there was none for FC3. This will be a good learning exercise and I will get the steps from google. The grub script was modified to properly detect the existing RHEL and now all the 3 systems boot smoothly. Overall this is a very comprehensive free OS. It even has support for a thin diskless client server as well as clustering for supercomputing. It is rich in multimedia software. It is definately worth trying. The best part is that it is available in CDs and not DVDs. Regards, Rony.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by vaibhav samant 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 Rony Bill wrote : >Abhishek Daga wrote: > >>To be able to use linux successfully as a desktop for non power users, these are >>the barriers I faced. >>a) Plug n play for devices such as USB Web cam, USB Hub, USB Card Reader. >>b) Internal Modem Dlink 560i+++ installation woes and lack of a versatile dialer >>to just click n connect for non root users. >>c) Winmodem detection and configuration woes. >> >>The question is: >>Which linux distribution can I use which will act as an effective desktop for >>home users which will overcome atleast most of the difficulties faced above. >I am in the same boat too, looking for a viable linux alternative for my clients. I have used RedHat 8 (in my old pc), Xandros Personal, RedHatEL WS, EduMorphix, SuSe Server (was an older version, so no GUI compatibility) and PCQ Linux 2005 on my P4. >The only distro that detected my internal DLink modem was Xandros Personal. This distro is the closest to Windows in looks and ease of use and even the webbsite advertises it as its USP. > >http://www.xandros.com/ > >Regards, > >Rony. Another important aspect which I have experienced is that all these desktops require powerfull PCs. I could very easily run Win SE/Me on a Celeron 333 MHz, with 64Megs of RAM, but could not run any of the linux desktops on this config. I believe KDE & GNOME are heavy. Some lighter X-managers like XFCE are good, but one loses the extensive menus etc. Pls correct me if I am wrong or I have missed any aspect. I too am looking for a good desktop which would run smoothly on a Celeron 333 / P-II 220 / AMD K6 433 type PCs with good gui menus & functionality. I believe CDWriter, Sound, Web camera & Modem are all that a regular PC user at home and office would require. Thx. Vai

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linspire5,red hat es 4.0,slackware,mandrake 10.2
by swapnil ambre 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

i want the following distros of linux can anybody please give me the links of linspire5,red hat es 4.0,slackware,mandrake 10.2 so i can download them Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Linux (Linus??) Uses Mac
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:48 PM To: ilugd; ghaziabad lug; linuxbom; dehradun linux Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Uses Mac Got this From a friend Check it out. The link is http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=11039 >Wednesday - March 09, 2005 >Linux creator 'switches' to Mac >By Macworld staff >Linux creator and self-confessed "media whore" Linus Torvalds has >admitted he is using a Mac as his main desktop. I believe the correct term that linus used is "tech whore" :) lost in translation I guess Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Firefox users deprived of certain sites.: Update
by Abhishek Daga 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

> Try Konqueror by changing it's browser id to IE Explorer. In most > sites it works. You can also try giving feedback to > webmaster@domain_name. Wine is an option and IE gets the Silver Rating (whatever that means) for it. Has anyone tried running IE via Wine? cheers abhishek __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Problem related to porting Linux on mpc8248 based board
by Vikrant_Basotra 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Hi All, We are having a problem with porting of linux to the 8248 based custom board. We are using the linux kernel image modified to work on an EP8248 (having the MPC8248 Processor) Board. We have our board configured the same as the EP8248 board. We have made no changes to the Kernal Image and it crashes. The last message it shows on the console is "Uncompressing Kernel....ok" and the console log_buffer has the following: "<6>Memory BAT mapping: BAT2=32Mb, BAT3=0Mb, residual: 0Mb. <4>Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11.<4>NIP: 00000000 XER: 00000000 LR: 00000000 SP: 00000000 REGS: c0150000 TRAP: 0000 Not tainted.<4>MSR: 00000000 EE: 0PR: 0 FP: 0 ME:0 IR/DR: 00.<4> TASK = c014f470[0] 'swapper' Last syscall: 0 .<4>last math 00000000 last altivec 00000000.<4>Call backtrace: 00000004 ." The EP8248 Board have the following configurations: 1. 8MB Flash Port Size = 32 Bit Bootom Boot 2. 16MB SDRAM Port Size = 32 Bit 3. EEPROM 4. Memory Map ===================================================================== Memory Region Size Address Range ===================================================================== SDRAM 16MByte 0000_0000 - 00FF_FFFF Flash 8MByte FF80_0000 - FFFF_FFFF The board we are using has 1. 16MB Flash Port Size = 32 Bit Bootom Boot 2. 32MB SDRAM Port Size = 64 Bit 3. No EEPROM 4. Memory Map ===================================================================== Memory Region Size Address Range ====================================================================== SDRAM 32MByte 0000_0000 - 01FF_FFFF Flash 16MByte FF00_0000 - FFFF_FFFF The value of the IMMR in HCRW is both boards is configured to 0xF0000000. The value of IMAP_ADDR in linux/arch/ppc/platforms/ep8248.h and u-boot/include/configs/ep8248.h is 0xF0000000. The BD_INFO structure and the values are being passed perfectly from u-boot to linux. The cmd_start and cmd_end are also pefect - verified using the memory dump command in u-boot. We have performed RAM test through u-boot and it has passed it. We would be greatful if somebody could throw more light on where we are going wrong and help us successful port linux. If you require any more info i would be more than glad to provide you with the same. Thanks and Regards Vikrant ************************************************************************** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. **************************************************************************

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Migrating from windoze? links to tut
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

So you have been brain washed into ditching windoze by those communist linux zealots full of hype. Here is an article on how to do it. http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20040329/index.html http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20040412/index.html The author thinks that Debian is a difficult distro. Actually if you plan things Debian is the simplest for all types desktop, server, firewall, embedded, load balancing etc. So it makes sense for me to invest my learning time in Debian. So i can provide for a server, desktop, embedded, firewall.But then that is my opinion. The case for DIY single pc users handicapped by lack of knowledge, poor hardware support and non existent M$ software support is different rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

On Tuesday 05 April 2005 08:57, vaibhav samant wrote: > Another important aspect which I have experienced is that all these > desktops require powerfull PCs. I could very easily run Win SE/Me > on a Celeron 333 MHz, with 64Megs of RAM, but could not run any of > the linux desktops on this config. I believe KDE & GNOME are heavy. > Some lighter X-managers like XFCE are good, but one loses the > extensive menus etc. Debian woody worked very well on an AMD K6II 500 with 64MB. Kde 2.2 afair. That was 4 yrs ago. Still runs on that hardware. > > Pls correct me if I am wrong or I have missed any aspect. > > I too am looking for a good desktop which would run smoothly on a > Celeron 333 / P-II 220 / AMD K6 433 type PCs with good gui menus & > functionality. Ah! these beasties should be more expensive than antiques. GNU/ucLinux works on pdas and cell phones and a device with 32mb ram and 16 mb flash with X, sound, controls several external high power (KW) motors and runs on AA cells. You have to keep your software requirements, performance expectations and hardware config in line with the real world. Today's real world that is. Today's lowest performing box is a VIA C3 with 128mb and 40gb disk. And sarge works at a healthy clip on these. A base line intel box is i845 (was via p4m266A now no more available) with P IV celeron 2.8 GHz, 128MB ram and 40GB disk. rgds jtd

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Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by Abhishek Daga 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Having being tormented by hajaar trojans, popups on home PCs using Windows platforms off late, I have converted them to Redhat 9.0 in the face of lot of scepticism and criticism from other users of the family. Their main concerns are: a) Ease of use b) Ease of use. The Redhat 9.0 distro was selected for no particular reason but because I had the CDs. Am not very happy though given that the CDs are a year old so support may not be available for number of things. To be able to use linux successfully as a desktop for non power users, these are the barriers I faced. a) Plug n play for devices such as USB Web cam, USB Hub, USB Card Reader. b) Internal Modem Dlink 560i+++ installation woes and lack of a versatile dialer to just click n connect for non root users. c) Winmodem detection and configuration woes. The question is: Which linux distribution can I use which will act as an effective desktop for home users which will overcome atleast most of the difficulties faced above. I am leaning towards the opinion that redhat 9.0 is not the best out there. (duh!). But whats a near ideal replacement? Gentoo? Lindows (avoidable?). Remember it's a Desktop and not Server, so rock solid stability may not be necessary and sufficient condition. thank you, Abhishek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Bug in Linux?
by Net Letters 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Hi List, I'm new to Linux. Just got a mail from a friend about a bug in Linux/Unix. I've not tried it yet. I'm providing the mail below for your information. Is this really a bug? Biggest bug in linux/unix!!!!! U can retrieve Password of the user. This is due a well known bug in the crypto algorithm of UNIX, used to generate /etc/passwd hash. Recent fixes have recommended usage of stronger algorithms like MD5, etc., But due to the large deployment of Unix machines, world-wide, its a very difficult task, requiring huge Logistics support. Check if your machine has the vulnerability. Just type the following command in UNIX or LINUX or Solaris, and you won't beleive that it will give you password of the user who has logged in !!! echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc -- Cheers__________________________ netletters(a)gmail.com ________________________________

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Bug in Linux?
by Anand M R 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Enjoyed it as i'm across it for the first time since i'm a new member. Anand.

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Linux Uses Mac
by Gaurav Mishra 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Got this From a friend Check it out. The link is http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=11039 Wednesday - March 09, 2005 Linux creator 'switches' to Mac By Macworld staff Linux creator and self-confessed "media whore" Linus Torvalds has admitted he is using a Mac as his main desktop. Torvald told ZDNet Australia: "My main machine these days is a dual 2GHz G5. It's physically a regular Apple Mac, although it obviously only runs Linux, so I don't think you can call it a Mac any more. "As to the why... Part of it is simply that I wanted to try something else, and I felt like there were enough people testing the x86 side that it certainly didn't need me. Part of it is that I personally believe there are two main architectures out there: Power [the PowerPC chip is used in the Power Mac] and x86-64 are what I think are the two most relevant ones, and I decided that I had to at least check the other side of it out seriously if I really believed that." This isn't the only reason however. Torvalds admitted: "Oh, and part of it is that I got the machine for free. I'm really a technology whore." Torvald revealed that he was no longer using a x86 processor in his main desktop machine in a forum posting in February, despite the fact that he had "single-handedly revolutionized the use of Unix on the x86 platform, according to Silicon.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by Abhishek Daga 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

> > But whats a near ideal replacement? > > Gentoo? Lindows (avoidable?). > > Just like the old adage "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" the > same is true for the Linux desktop i.e. you will get a lot of > different opinions. You will have to decide which distro works best > for you. Ah well, It is the difference of Opinions that makes horse races. I have decided to go for Sarge. The aim of getting a desktop friendly distro is to fulfil the Goal of becoming a WindowLess office (since everything will be Open) by migrating from Tata EX which is totally tied in to Microsoft platform, to Tally on Fedora/RH9/Debian. OpenOffice and Firefox pretty much cover the other major needs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Linux based Fullproof Gateway/Firewall
by aashish kunte 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Dear Linuxers, I want to configure a low configuration machine (Ideally P1 or P2) With Linux Console Only, Which can work as Dedicated Internet GW/Firewall. Is there any Linux-Flavor Only giving the same ? I want only Logs to be mentained along with it ! Thanks in advance. Aashish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by Abhishek Daga 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

> > Winmodems are not supported due to patent and NDA issues from the > chip vendors. So buy an external modem. Or use M$ software and > grin and bear. Ok, so it's a lawyer thing not a programmer thing. Guess will just get a PCMCIA card as far as laptops are concerned. Cheap and best. For the desktops, avoiding the use of external modem. Will try and get the Conexant working at 48.8 K atleast. Anyone who thinks the challenge and a beer are enough incentives to get the drivers developed, raise your hand. > IMO Debian sarge fits the bill completely except for the internal > modem.I have completely clueless people using Sarge (including two > sixty two year olds) with tata indicom, dishnet, incable, sify etc. > They use webcams, usbflashdisks, burn cds and announce that they use > debian linux with a smirk at their peers when someone sobs about > virii, worms, spyware. So looks like this is what I should go for. Another question I had in mind was Support. In anycase support the linux is limited. You know what I mean. Not the company bag and laptop carrying, tie wearing support exec. But our regular hardware guy support person. So would choosing Debian or other over Fedora create support issues? Or given that support is so negligible anyways, it wouldnt matter if it's one distro or the other? Also no mention of FreeBSD in favor or otherwise, so I am assuming, we should stick to the server side for this. Also, is there a way I can get copies of the Sarge distro from you? I am bandwidth challenged. Muchos Gracias abhishek __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

On Monday 04 April 2005 11:35, Abhishek Daga wrote: > Having being tormented by hajaar trojans, popups on home PCs using > Windows platforms off late, I have converted them to Redhat 9.0 in > the face of lot of scepticism and criticism from other users of the > family. > > Their main concerns are: > a) Ease of use b) Ease of use. > > To be able to use linux successfully as a desktop for non power > users, these are the barriers I faced. > > a) Plug n play for devices such as USB Web cam, USB Hub, USB Card Debian sarge (PCQ DVD) works with USB hub and USB card readers. Which Camera? model no. vendor name. > Reader. b) Internal Modem Dlink 560i+++ installation woes and lack > of a versatile dialer to just click n connect for non root users. ???. KPPP is click and connect as is wvdial and pon. Just create a desktop icon to wvdial /pon and poff. Also add these users to the group dialout. Use the kuser package in kde to do this. > c) Winmodem detection and configuration woes. Winmodems are not supported due to patent and NDA issues from the chip vendors. So buy an external modem. Or use M$ software and grin and bear. > > The question is: > Which linux distribution can I use which will act as an effective > desktop for home users which will overcome atleast most of the > difficulties faced above. IMO Debian sarge fits the bill completely except for the internal modem.I have completely clueless people using Sarge (including two sixty two year olds) with tata indicom, dishnet, incable, sify etc. They use webcams, usbflashdisks, burn cds and announce that they use debian linux with a smirk at their peers when someone sobs about virii, worms, spyware. > > I am leaning towards the opinion that redhat 9.0 is not the best > out there. (duh!). > But whats a near ideal replacement? There is no replacement for GNU/Linux ;-). rgds jtd

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RE: [SPAM] - [ILUG-BOM] Best Linux Desktop distro or maybe FreeBSD? - Bayesian Filter detected spam
by Nikunj Virani 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

> The question is: > Which linux distribution can I use which will act as an effective desktop > for home users which will overcome atleast most of the difficulties faced > above. Try Mandrake 10.1. It is very good for desktops. Regards, Nikunj Virani

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Apologies: Subject line inappropriate
by Abhishek Daga 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

My previous post to the list had an incorrect subject line as a result of hitting "reply-to", to an existing mail and not making the necessary changes. It should have been titled "Which linux distribution is best for desktops" and it got incorrectly sent as part of the "TV Tuner Card" thread. apologies for the same. abhishek __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] TV Tuner
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

On Saturday 02 April 2005 00:33, Revant wrote: > Can you people suggest me any TV tuner card and related things? > What I want from it is: > 1) It MUST work on Linux (Mostly Debian/Ubuntu) > 2) It should have AV Composite so that I can play my playstation on > computer with sound > 3) It should be relatively easy to configure. I'd prefer > autodetection 4) It should be avaliable in Mumbai market .... grant > road. > > I tried My friend's BT878P+ Pixelview, It works fine and is > autodetected, Only problem is, It has only AV Composite -- Video > wire, i.e Yellow, there is no Audio Left-Right female thing on the > card, So I never got to try it with sound All BT878 cards have only a single audio output. No input. Basically sound o/p from the tuner is routed out. If you want input you need a card with a audio dsp. Afaik not yet available here. you can use the line in on your sound card. Or use RF modulated o/p of your game machine with additional spkrs connected to the sound out of the tv tuner card. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

On Sunday 03 April 2005 14:12, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 03/04/05 12:26 +0530, Rony Bill wrote: > > Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > >This depends on the particular contract you sign with the > > > vendor. I spent Sunday rereading the GPL2. I was quite sure earlier I am 100% sure now. The GPL is explicit and absolutely clear. The recepient of gpld software is entitled to his rights as guaranteed by the gpl. The distributor of gpld software has his licence to distribute revoked automatically if he abrogates any of these rights. There is no doubt about this at all. No contract can change this because if the first party offers you a contract violating the gpl (as in preventing you from distributing, modifying, creating derivatives of your copy of the software packages) he automatically has his licence to distribute revoked, and therfore he not you is doing something illegal. > > > > Dear Devdas, by vendors I was refering to the services offered by > > software suppliers who only charge for copying and courier of any > > linux distro from their list, which includes names like Suse, > > Mandrake and more. If the multi-cd packs are a direct copy of the > > original *package* It is illegal if and only if the copy contains software with EULAs and / or, incase of RH any of the RH trademarks and logos. It is not illegal to redistribute gpld software. Irrespective of ANY contract you may have signed. If the contract restricts your rights as assigned to you by the GPL, the right of the first party to distribute is automatically revoked. The affected party in this case is you, and the contributors of the package. If you have given a consideration ( cash, barter, anything), You can ask for a return of the consideration + costs, and return the package to RH. The developers can sue RH for breach of copyright and claim damages. You cant sue for breach of copyright and damages as you are not a copyright holder of a package in the distro although you are affected. The copyright holder cannot sue you. He can only serve a cease and desist notice against you. However incase of the gpl the copyright holder has given you a right so he is not going to serve any cease and desist. So even if you have signed a contract with RH, You can copy and redistribute completely legally subject to removal of EULA packages and trade marks. Happy TM_Logo + EULA package stripping and Happier legal copying. Long live the GPL. > > This depends on the policy of the original vendor wrt the pack. If > the first buyer is restrained from copying and selling the CDs as > is, because they include copyrighted material/trademarks/whatever, > then such redistribution is a violation of contract. > > > provided by the makers, then wouldn't its installation *as it is* > > be a violation of copyrights and thus a pirated one? If any > > company wants to use this *package* it would have to buy it. > > In the case of distributions like Mandrake personal, Gentoo, or > Fedora or ..., the copyright owner states that you can make > unlimited copies of it without restriction provided that their > credits and trademarks stay intact. > > To illustrate, distribution of _RHEL_ by a non RH authorised vendor > is illegal. Absolutely not. Caveat - remove RH trade marks and NVIDIA / winmodem drivers. > > I would check out the particular terms and conditions for that > distribution. No need to. As explained earlier. rgds jtd

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The FLOSS Survey
by Svaksh 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Hello, Check out this FLOSSPOLS project http://flosspols.org/survey/survey_part.php?groupid=sd People who develop, translate, document, promote, maintain websites, moderate mailing lists, etc... for Free/Open software can take part in the survey. -- _svaksh_

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux based Fullproof Gateway/Firewall
by Sameer Niphadkar 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 aashish kunte wrote : >Dear Linuxers, > > > I want to configure a low configuration machine (Ideally P1 or P2) >With Linux Console Only, Which can work as Dedicated Internet GW/Firewall. > > > Is there any Linux-Flavor Only giving the same ? I believe IPCop is the linux based firewall distribution, though there are plenty of others available as well. > I want only Logs to be mentained along with it ! You can configure any linux distro as a gw/firewall...I may recommend Trustix. > Thanks in advance. > >Aashish Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Invitation
by Vickram Crishna 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

At 3:20 PM +0530 4/1/05, Satya wrote: >On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 08:51:43PM +0530, Sajid ali Baig wrote: >>The message was sent accidently .i apologise for the same. > >hi5 is a notorious address-book harvester. They usually send email like >this with no warning to the poor user, who then has to go apologise to >his boss, various lists, etc. > >How the hell they can access your address book, I don't know. Mine's >usually in ~/.mutt/aliases. if they can get at it, something's very >wrong. > >>Kenneth,were u not taught manners in school?????????? > >Was that really necessary? While flaming is a common and not unexpected feature of nerdie maillists, it doesn't take all that much restraint to keep annoyance within limits. I also have no idea how hi5, Ringo and all the other weirdo address book managers (that call themselves network facilitators) floating around on the net do their viral marketing, but I don't really care either. I know they do, which is all I want to know, so I ignore the mails from my friends and acquaintances that invite me to join these things. Hopefully that keeps me from seeming to be an offender. If someone contacts me offline or with a direct personal mail, I explain my stance privately. Remember, a cruel or angry word can't be taken back, nor is an apology worth the bytes or mindspace it consumes. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

On Friday 01 April 2005 19:56, Rony Bill wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >In effect the commercial distros companies are providing expertise > >not just software and they are fully justified in charging what > > ever they please. And you can have a completely legal parasitic > > existence by the above methods. In fact you can provide better > > services and charge more (after RTFM) than them. > > > >So then happy legal copying and installing of RH, Suse, whatever. > >If you ask me i would tell you to use Debian and avoid the pain > >trying to remove logos while simultaneously not providing word > >of mouth advertising and a ready-to-eat client to your competitor. > Thanks for the information. It does clarify that one cannot simply > copy and install a full pack of a paid linux distro without YOU CAN COPY A COMMERCIAL DISTRO. And as i said earlier you are one biased character who will selectively pick miniscule portions of a discussion and twist it around to your ridiculously biased opinion. I really mean every word of the above sentence. I have come across a few characters in my time but you take the cake. > stripping it off its copyrighted material, something that may be > usefull for an organisation for full driver support and manual > reference. Trade marks are marks which identify certain qualities and attributes of the product in a very easy and recognisable way. It's called branding. Companies spend plenty of money to make the link between the trade mark and these qualities and attributes. If someone copies the product with these Trade marks that someone is misleading the public into believing that those qualities and attributes are still in the product. In this case (RH believes) the quality is in the service and manuals. Remove these and substitute it with an ignorant windoze certified zombie cd in hand and you have a disaster in the making.And the manual costs money to create. You are most welcome to read the manpages and make your own manual. Of course that would be hard work and to me it seems that work is a FOUR letter word to you. > usefull for an organisation for full driver support and manual > reference. use legal software in my comps even > though its very easy to use the pirated ones. Oh dear me what a wonderful model citizen you are. Lets nominate you for the Padma Bhushan. Do me a favour please go pirate billy boys stuff. > What I don't like is > the unnecessary hype about linux being free and the way people > attack microsoft for making money. People dont attack M$ and billy baba for making money. They are attacked for making money ILLEGALLY. And piracy. They have been convicted on both counts time and time again. UNDERSTAND? > I do admire Bill Gates for the > way he set up an international empire right from a small shed. > Ultimately every software company wants to make money and capture > the market. Without doubt. After all pirates of a feather flock together. > > I will get the debian cds and try it out. Please dont. I think pirated billybaba software is best for you. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by Vickram Crishna 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

At 12:22 PM +0530 4/2/05, Rony Bill wrote: >sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > >> In effect the commercial distros companies are providing >expertise not just software and they are >> fully justified in >charging what ever they please. > >What I don't like is the unnecessary hype about linux being free and >the way people attack microsoft for making money. I do admire Bill >Gates for the way he set up an international empire right from a >small >shed. Ultimately every software company wants to make money and >capture the market. I guess that depends on how you define 'company' - if you mean commercial organisation, then you are probably right. However, there are very many non-profit and not-for-profit organisations (the latter being 'companies' in the legally Indian sense of the word) who develop and make available software that is intended to benefit its users. Upfront payment is not the issue here - it is the overall benefit to the community that drives such organisations and their people. While BG did a great commercial job, his first foray resulted from scamming IBM into buying a piece of software that the fledgling MS had not developed. This is sometimes called arbitrage in the commercial world, and the people who do it on a large scale are sometimes called robber barons. They succeed because they conceal information. The money is made from concealing and causing to be concealed such information. GNU/Linux has developed from a basically different approach to life and society. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] File Locking using smbmount-disclaimers and top-posting
by Svaksh 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

On Apr 2, 2005 12:25 AM, Keith Fernandez <keith(a)rilinfo.net> wrote: > Regards, > Keith Fernandez > -------------------------- > Reliance IDC > DAKC > Navi Mumbai > 022-30374188 > -------------------------- > Disclaimer: > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited Hello Keith, Kindly refrain from top-posting. Top posting an answer breaks the flow of conversation and you don't know what is being referred to which is confusing. It is more commonly accepted etiquette to narrow down the original message to only the relevant information, and then **following** that information with one's reply, which is considered proper etiquette when participating in conversations on mailing lists. Secondly, your disclaimer is pointless for a public mailing list. Use a different (free) email account if your company insists on tagging each outgoing message. -- _svaksh_ Notre Bene : I assume you are new to this list like me and this request is from one newbie to another. It is not meant to start a flame war.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

On Saturday 02 April 2005 12:46, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 02/04/05 11:39 +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Nope. You are eliminating the case of derived work. It does > > concern itself with binaries too. A binary is a derived work of > > the source - as are modifications, bugfixes, enhancements etc. > > The GPL only states that in case of derived work, the source code > must be made available. Like I said, the GPL is only concerned with > ensuring that source code is always available for distributed GPLed > software. No. Here is part of the preamble "Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things. To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights. These restrictions translate to certain responsibilities for you if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it." It clearly separates software and source code for the software, and allows you to access and distribute both. The para also makes it amply clear about trying to remove those rights - contract or no contract. Infact RH cannot sign a contract abrogating your rights as granted to you by the developers and is a sitting duck for any developer wanting to sue if they have signed such contracts. Please note IANAL. > > > Therefore the terms of the gpl apply to the binaries too. Also > > "distributing" includes putting a binary into a flash rom and > > sticking it inside your gizmo and selling the gizmo. (I had too > > do some talking with some distributors of embedded products here > > on this issue.) This action (selling the gizmo) is distribution > > and requires gpl compliance. Therfore source code must be made > > Right. However, the effort of putting the binary into the Gizmo is > chargable. As is the hardware. Sure. I am not disputing the right to charge for the first copy (the wrapper is really superfluos), I am disputing anyones right to restrict the rights avaialable to me under the gpl. > > > available. You can make copies of the binary hex file from the > > prom and use as you deem fit without any copyright violation. > > Even if "opening this parcel means that you agree" to whatever. > > The reason is that the gpl licence has given you a right the > > moment the act of giving and taking takes place. Adding wrappers > > - physical or software does not change the fact of distribution. > > There is no way that anyone (RH, Novell, Microsod whoever) can > > circumvent this - thank god. > > But RedHat is not trying to circumvent this. > > > > Linux distributors take the GPLed source, package it, build it > > > into binaries, and test those. > > > That is a service. RedHat et al charge for that service. Since someone has paid for the first copy RH have already recieved what ever they deemed fit for it. Subsequent copies does not involve RH in any way at all. > > > > > > When you "buy" RedHat ES/AS versions, you are paying for their > > > compiling and testing services, not for the software itself. > > > This _support_ purchase is a contract, which states that you > > > may not install the software from those binaries on more than > > > one system. > > > > That is a violation of the gpl and will not stand in a law court. > > No it isn't. The RedHat contract has been FSF approved. RedHat > _charges_ for their effort in building a binary. They are saying > that they will build a binary for you provided that you do not > redistribute it... > . RH cannot do that. Links to FSF approval of the contract please. Couldnt find any on the FSF site (so maybe more smoke from RH). RH has a copyright on the distro. That is sure. But I am permitted by the gpl to copy binaries and install and use and obtain the source and do as i please subject to the terms of the gpl without paying a paisa to RH. Note in the case of Suse the YAST tool is not gpl compliant. So if you copy Suse for sale you will have to remove Yast. No problem if you give it free tho. What redhat may imply in their contract is that they will not support more than the number of machines stipulated in the contract and that you are prohibited from installing the distro on other machines and obtain service from redhat on the additional machines. > > This is a separate argument from the GPL itself. The contract is > for the effort that RedHat puts into building the distribution. > > To put it another way, RedHat provides binaries as a service to its > customers. They charge for that service. They have an additional > clause in the service contract that states that you may not > redistribute the binaries. This is part of the service contract, > and does not constitute a violation of the GPL itself. It does. The GPL preamble above is clear as light. > > > I have not read the contract but if you have one please post it. > > We can takeon redhat on this. The binary IS a derived work of > > the source. If the source is gpld so is the binary. > > Distributing the binary would be a violation of your support > contract. It is not a GPL violation. Maybe RH can terminate your support. But they cannot stop you from copying and redistributing after stripping the logos. > This is in the area of > contract law, not copyright law. RedHat does not impose additional > restrictions on redistribution via copyright/EULAs. It does impose > restrictions via contract, a contract which you willingly enter > into when you purchase support from RedHat. The contract itself is probably illegal as RH (or anyone else) does not hold the rights on individual programs and would have to obtain rights from individual contributors to allow them to override the gpl. Which is what dual licence is all about. The economics of such an excercise is ofcourse a different story. They cannot impose restrictions by contract stuff released under the gpl as is expressly stated in the preamble. I am quite sure about this as i follow GL daily and the gpl was discussed ad nauseum. Once released under GPL, nobody can by contract / DMCA or any means change the terms. rgds jtd

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ParallelKnoppix 2005-04-01 Released
by Gaurav Mishra 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

ParallelKnoppix is a remaster of Knoppix that allows setting up a cluster of machines for parallel processing using the LAM-MPI and/or MPICH implementations of MPI. Getting the cluster up and running takes less than 15 minutes, if the machines have PXE network cards. Get it from here http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/ParallelKnoppix/parallelknoppix-2005-04-01.iso ftp://volcano.uab.es/pub/parallelknoppix-2005-04-01.iso http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/ParallelKnoppix/parallelknoppix-2005-04-01.iso.…

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

On Saturday 02 April 2005 11:05, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > >In effect the commercial distros companies are providing > > > expertise not just software and they are fully justified in > > > charging what ever they please. And you can have a completely > > > legal parasitic existence by the above methods. In fact you can > > > provide better services and charge more (after RTFM) than them. > > >rgds > > >jtd > > > A couple of points that you appear to have missed. > The GPL concerns itself with source code. Not binaries, not > support, nothing else. Nope. You are eliminating the case of derived work. It does concern itself with binaries too. A binary is a derived work of the source - as are modifications, bugfixes, enhancements etc. Therefore the terms of the gpl apply to the binaries too. Also "distributing" includes putting a binary into a flash rom and sticking it inside your gizmo and selling the gizmo. (I had too do some talking with some distributors of embedded products here on this issue.) This action (selling the gizmo) is distribution and requires gpl compliance. Therfore source code must be made available. You can make copies of the binary hex file from the prom and use as you deem fit without any copyright violation. Even if "opening this parcel means that you agree" to whatever. The reason is that the gpl licence has given you a right the moment the act of giving and taking takes place. Adding wrappers - physical or software does not change the fact of distribution. There is no way that anyone (RH, Novell, Microsod whoever) can circumvent this - thank god. > > Linux distributors take the GPLed source, package it, build it into > binaries, and test those. > That is a service. RedHat et al charge for that service. > > When you "buy" RedHat ES/AS versions, you are paying for their > compiling and testing services, not for the software itself. This > _support_ purchase is a contract, which states that you may not > install the software from those binaries on more than one system. That is a violation of the gpl and will not stand in a law court. I have not read the contract but if you have one please post it. We can takeon redhat on this. The binary IS a derived work of the source. If the source is gpld so is the binary. > It has no conditions on the sources, other than the license the > code shipped with (GPL/MPL/anything else). > > RedHat will not stop you from building your own > RPMs from source, and installing those, so long as you do not > redistribute RedHats trademarked material along with those. If the logo is part of the binary there could be a potential problem as you cannot compile in non gpl code along with gpld code. I am not sure that the logo = code. My guess is that the court will rule in favour of the logo and hold cloners liable if they do not remove the logo. Which IMO is very fair to the trademark holders. > > If you do not want to pay RedHat, you can download their source > RPMs and then build your own distribution. When you are doing so, > you have to remove RedHats trademarks and logos, since you are not > RedHat. You can replace those with your own logos if you want. > > Also, there is generally no non-copyrighted material in a Linux > distribution. All the software is copyright to its author(s). > > > organisation for full driver support and manual reference. I am > > not against companies that charge or make money. I try my best to > > encourage people to buy legal software and did manage to convince > > a few. I use legal software in my comps even though its very easy > > to use the pirated ones. What I don't like is the unnecessary > > hype about linux being free > > Linux itself is free to redistribute, as source code. And binaries too as binary=derivative of source. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

On Friday 01 April 2005 00:48, Rony Bill wrote: > > Dear Jude, > > Your tone of writing reminded me of these words that appeared in > the Asian Age on 28th March. "It is only imperfection that > complains of what is imperfect. The more perfect we are, the more > gentle and quiet we become towards the defects of others"--Joseph > Addison. > > If you have the capacity to be polite then I would like to get one > doubt cleared. Never ever claimed to be perfect - that is why i read manpages and licenceses before clicking "I agree". And i am most certainly politness challenged. So there. > Can any commercial linux distro be copied and > installed in a commercial or corporate organisation? Is that > installation considered a valid legal and liscenced copy? All software (including copies) distributed under the GPL (and several other licences like /QPL/Mozilla/BSD etc afaik) licences are 100% legal and valid. You can use such copies any way you please including charging a zillion dollars for the copy. What you cant do with the gpl is prevent the recepient from 1) making copies and distributing the same. 2) making changes to the software Also you have to make avaialble at no additional charge except the cost of media the source code for the software INCLUDING ANY CHANGES OR DERIVATIVES YOU MAKE to such gpld code. So you can buy a "licenced" version of a "commercial" distro like RH and buy a cd franking plant and frank a zillion copies and sell em. The exception is that 1) You will have to remove trade marks like redhat, RH etc. and put your own Gandhi topee if u please. 2) Remove software having EULAS (eg winmodem, NVIDIA drivers) 3) You cannot copy the manuals which have exclusive (as in you are excluded from coying rights) copyrights. The term "licence" and "commercial" is a red herring planted by the likes of RH, Trolltech and a few others who would like to confuse you into believing that gpl software not traded for cash is not commercial. Grep the list for eariler posts on this issue. Any GNU/Linux distro or gpl softaware is commercial if it is traded for something of value (including barter of cds). So buy one "commercial" copy and copy and sell to hearts content. When you buy support you will get access to a fast server and / or email / phone support so that you can patch and maintain the stuff better. You can then make copies of the patch ad nauseum and offer the same to your clients. In effect the commercial distros companies are providing expertise not just software and they are fully justified in charging what ever they please. And you can have a completely legal parasitic existence by the above methods. In fact you can provide better services and charge more (after RTFM) than them. So then happy legal copying and installing of RH, Suse, whatever. If you ask me i would tell you to use Debian and avoid the pain trying to remove logos while simultaneously not providing word of mouth advertising and a ready-to-eat client to your competitor. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] File Locking using smbmount
by Keith Fernandez 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

Rishi wrote > However, the Linux client computers use smbmount to > map the shares within their home folders, which do not > lock the files... so when two users on the network try to access the same file, the contents of the file will be that > of the person that saved the file the last. I think the application that you use(for e.g. kwrite..) also need's to understand File locking capabilities, which is present in Office in windows. What application do you use to access the file? For e.g. Notepad in windows will not have file locking capabilities. Regards, Keith -------------------------- Reliance IDC DAKC Navi Mumbai 022-30374188 -------------------------- Disclaimer: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited

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File Locking using smbmount
by Rishi 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

Hi I have a Samba Server on RH9 and when I map the shares on Windows client computers, the files are locked so the users do not accidentally overwrite other people's files on the network. (This is the good news) However, the Linux client computers use smbmount to map the shares within their home folders, which do not lock the files... so when two users on the network try to access the same file, the contents of the file will be that of the person that saved the file the last. I've looked at the man page of smbmount to see if I can enable file locking at the client level .... no joy. Any tips on how to fix this? Thanks Rishi

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Re: GPL [Was: Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux]
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

On Saturday 02 April 2005 06:31, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > JT, > > While we've discussed this earlier, I'd like your view on the > following, from the DansGuardian website: > > <snip> > For all non-commercial[1] use DansGuardian 2 can be downloaded > under the GPL. For all non-commercial use I grant the end-user > permission to download DansGuardian 2. Upon your downloading of > DansGuardian 2 for non-commercial use I license it under the GPL. > > For all commercial[2] use, upon your downloading, DansGuardian 2 is > licensed under the GPL, however permission to download DansGuardian > from this, or any mirror[3], website is restricted. Ya! I read this earlier. And it's a very red herring. Once you have a gpld copy you can do exactly as you please including selling it COMMERCIALLY. Downloading from HIS website or the mirrors which have similiar restrictions may not be allowed (BW costs money). But I can setup a mirror with a gpld copy and offer it for money (or gratis) to all and sundry. The para below is clear as smoke glass. And you are partly correct in that the bugfixes are paid for downloads. But once you get em they are gpld as it is very obviously a derivate of gpld software. So distribute to your hearts content. > > The restrictions on the downloading for commercial use are that you > may only download it once for free. This will enable you to try out > the software before making a decision to purchase a commercial > licence to download it. In order to download updates, bug fixes, > etc, you must purchase a download licence. > </snip> > > Based on your interpretation (which I believe to be correct), how > does he get away with this? The only thing I can think of is that > the changes, bug fixes etc. that he mentions are not GPL'd and will > not be posted for free download. Which again is probably not a > huge deal even for a non-programmer, since they would generally be > rolled into the next release. ALL bugfixes of gpld software are automatically derived works (you cant have a bug fix standing by itself) and the gpl applies automatically. If he gives you a copy (It is perfectly legal to not give any one a copy eg. google uses modified gnu stuff but does not distribute it to any one) you can freakout with it . > > Also, if for commercial use DansGuardian gets licenced under the > GPL on the first download, I should be able to make and dstribute > (sell, give away, whatever) as many copies as I wish. Then where > do his stated restrictions on commercial use apply? There is no restriction. Like I said this is a red herring and the author cannot take legal action. > > > So buy one "commercial" copy and copy and sell to hearts content. > > When you buy support you will get access to a fast server and / > > or email / phone support so that you can patch and maintain the > > stuff better. You can then make copies of the patch ad nauseum > > and offer the same to your clients. > > This licence seems funny to me. Is there more to this than is > obvious? Nope. Just smoke and mirrors to trick the less informed into making a purchase. rgds jtd

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Ubuntu/apt-get vs Fedora/yum
by Revant 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

I dont want a fight here, I want to configure yum better if possible When i installed fedora, it had wide range of software on cds, so for that I will prefer fedora But when I started yum for first time according to fedora FAQ. it takes hours apt-get does apt-get update in just 5 mins Whats the difference and why does yum costs time and apt-get is faster?

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Invitation
by Sajidali Baig 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

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Fwd: [bcslug] Fergusson Linux released!
by Amit Karpe 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

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Ark Linux 2005.1-SR1 Released
by Gaurav Mishra 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

This is a bug fix release of Ark Linux 2005.1: "Ark Linux 2005.1-SR1, a bugfix release of Ark Linux 2005.1, has been released. Mostly due to our lack of test hardware and testers, a couple of bugs worth fixing immediately managed to get into Ark Linux 2005.1 - based on user feedback, we have made a Service Release to address them and add some commonly requested features. ... The following features have been added: newly installed machines automatically retrieve network settings from DHCP servers (if there is one); DHCP enabled network interfaces no longer delay the boot up process if no DHCP server is found; support for Zeroconf support has been added; the X.Org Composite extension, allowing to use real transparent windows, is now enabled....

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

On Wednesday 30 March 2005 17:42, Rony Bill wrote: Please do read the gpl. > I was refering to the present situation, not the past. SuSe's site > has a free version as well as other paid versions. RHEL as you > mention is a paid distro. The free versions are like 'personal' > editions whereas the ones for businesses are more featured and paid > for. What exactly does this stupid statement mean. I could give you a hundred very sound reasons for the "Missing features", but dont want to bore the whole list (as it would involve collating your past posts which cribbed about ease of use etc.). > Is SuSe Professional 9 or above, a freeware software like SuSe > personal? By branded distros I am refering to popular brands like > RedHat, SuSe, Mandrake and the likes. Is it legal to copy and use > as many times, paid-for linux versions? The most popular in terms of installed user base is Debian. The gpl allows you to make as many copies of any gpld software and use it in any fashion you please. The only restrictions is that you cannot change the terms of the gpl. And if you care to read, the commercial distros come with manuals and support. You are paying for the manual and support. They may also include some closed source drivers, which are distributed on different terms (eg. the winmodem drivers). There is no restriction on your downloading the distro for free or obtaining the same by any means available to you. You are however prevented from using the brand name of some distros. Quite obviously if the Company is spending money on creating a brand equity for it self I see no reason why some free loader should be allowed to exploit it's brand image. Particularly by someone ignorant enough to not know what the gpl is about let alone other things more complex. rgds jtd

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[Commercial] Job Opening
by Mike Ward 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Hello, JR Technologies is looking for a web developer in the Bombay area. JR Technologies is a US based company that does web development and technologies solutions for international airfare consolidators. We're looking for someone with basic knowledge of Perl, MySQL, Linux usage and administration, XHTML/HTML, and Javascript. Experience in the travel industry is a bonus, but not a requirement. Please send all resumes/inquiries to vinay(a)skybird-travel.com -- Mike Ward Web Developer, Sky Bird Travel mike(a)skybird-travel.com (248) 372-4800, Ext. 222

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Sorry............
by Sajid ali Baig 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

hi, This is an apology for the "hi5 invitation" message sent by me by mistake. I beg your pardon regards

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INDIA-Thunderbird-1.0.2 is now available in Gujarati
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Thunderbird-1.0.2 is now available in Gujarati. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:15:10 -0800 (PST) From: ankit patel <ankit644(a)yahoo.com> To: mozilla-l10n(a)mozilla.org Hi, I have localised Thunderbird-1.0.2 into Gujarati. So can somebody update it on mozilla.org status page. Please follow the link:- http://indianoss.sf.net/downloads.html Thank You! Ankit Patel Flosstoday mailing list Flosstoday(a)sarai.net https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/flosstoday

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URGENT REQUIREMENT of Software Developer LAMP (Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP)
by Anand Sharma 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Senior Software Developer Job Description Candidate should be exceptionally good in LAMP (Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP). Should be able to work in fast-paced environment with changing priorities. Able to work under pressure. Should be capable of delivering high quality products by good software engineering principles. Duties include Analysis and design of Object Oriented Systems Development, Enhancement and Integration of Web Applications. Documenting the project deliverables during various phases Desired Job Profile General Experience: - Web Application Development experience - 3 Years experience in PHP scripting - 2+ years in designing large scale software systems using Object Oriented Techniques - Documenting system architecture and design Candidate must be expert in following technology area: - Development of web application development with PHP on Linux. - Experience with Apache application server - MySQL database development - Experience in open source is preferred. - Should have good communication skills & learning aptit **Minimum Experience : 3 - 5 years Qualification – must be a literate. People who are intrested may call me offline Hemal Shah - 9821843567

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WinXp Vs Linux
by Raj Shaz 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Im submiting papers to my admin authority for usage of FLOSS.To start the battle , i want to convince them to use GNU/Linux instead of WinXP. Can someone through light on cost estimate for single machine using WinXP + Office and another using GNU/Linux WinXP cost somewhere around Rs 6000 single machine licensing ( im not sure ) .Can someone point to some relevant data. Google dint helped me much... any other points for paper is most welcomed Raj

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IPCop Firewall 1.4.5 Released
by Gaurav Mishra 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

IPCop Firewall has been updated to version 1.4.5: "This is v1.4.5 release version. As usual, this version can be installed as an update from previous v1.4.x versions or with a ready-to-go ISO for a fresh install. Install update and restart connection to make the new dnsmasq version run. Short changes summary: fix pulsardsl by using the correct gcc3 lib; fix vpn missing lines in ipsec.conf; fix dhcpc.cgi with start and end address comparison; upgrade dnsmasq to 2.21; update snort sid URL; start a new online help system in portfw.cgi."

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Berry Linux Live cd 0.56 Released
by Gaurav Mishra 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

A new version of the Berry Linux live CD has been released. The most significant change is that Berry has switched to Unionfs files system, which means that users can now "save" files while the CD is in use. Several packages have been upgraded to newer versions, including KDE 3.4.0, K3b 0.11.22, Mozilla 1.7.6 and Firefox 1.0.2 (English and Japanese editions). Get it at http://berry.sourceforge.jp/berry-0.56.iso

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Annvix Server based Linux Released
by Gaurav Mishra 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Annvix is a server-oriented Linux distribution based on Mandrakelinux, with many security enhancements. A lot of work has gone into Annvix to make it a lean, slim, and powerful server operating system. As a result, there is no GUI and all configuration is done by hand. The installer is a net-install system meaning that the ISOs to download are small and you only download the packages you need. The installer is text-based; fast, and the installed system is bare-bones with no default services running. Get it at http://annvix.org/ftp.php it`s a only 47.4 mb download

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Re: Re: Problem starting GNOME
by abhilash kumar 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

> I had added KPPP to startup and then I had removed > the same from the Start Menu| Preferences | More > Preferences| Sessions , Startup on my RHEL3. > Unfortunatly I don't have either .xinitrc or > .xinitrc.template for any of the users.... >If net access is available as another user then you are >fine. Just delete and recreate the account (but first >copy impt files if any). >_svaksh For normal user I did the same thing but what if the user were "root"??. There might be some configuration files where the startup information can be edited like in windows using "msconfig| startup items". I believe these files might have been corrupted. Abhilash Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: Problem Starting GNOME
by abhilash kumar 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

>how was the application stopped & how did you remove >the entry, by using GUI or CLI ? >I am no expert but if you used GUI to delete the app, >afaik Linux is unlike the Windows OS where GUI is >used to 'uninstall' most applications. Here it is an >instance and you *may* have deleted the desktop >application for that particular user only. If CLI, >what command did you use ? Please give more details. >_svaksh_ >check out your .xinitrc.template file for >gnome= configuration. Do backup the original file before >you make any changes. >Sameer Hi I had added KPPP to startup and then I had removed the same from the Start Menu| Preferences | More Preferences| Sessions , Startup on my RHEL3. Unfortunatly I don't have either .xinitrc or .xinitrc.template for any of the users.... Regards Abhilash Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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using /bin/mail with smtp auth
by Ashok Iyer 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

I normally use the /bin/mail program to send mail from shell scripts. The smtp server is another machine on the network. On my host, I have done the required configuration in /etc/mail/submit.cf to point to the SMTP server. All this works without any problem. Is there any way I can use smtp authentication with the above setup? The smtp server now requries me to authenticate before sending mail. So the above method fails. Is there possible solution? Regards, Ashok

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RE:Re: Continuous receiving data on Broadband internet
by Nilesh Raykar 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Dear Mr.Bhagat, Thanks. I got it. Used ehereal to find source of data which is mostly broadcast arp queries. I guess I may be paying Hathway for download of ~2 Mb/hr without actually downloading. Nilesh Raykar Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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South Asian LUG's contribution in OSS movmnt
by Vickram Crishna 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

fyi.... copied from another list This is Jhinuk from 'Linux For You' magazine, India. For our May issue, we are doing a story on the contribution of South Asian Linux User Group, in taking the Open Source movement ahead. As of now I have thought of the following categorisation for the story. In case the subject interests you, then kindly pass on all the infos to me w.r.t LUG activities in your respective areas before April 5. Also suggest me if I should add any other subhead into the story. Your opinion on the topic will be an added asset. -Localisation -Education -Trouble shooting -Recruitment -Reviews of Linux/OS software and distros -Information exchange. Regards Jhinuk Chowdhury Correspondent Linux For You Magazine D-87/1, Okhala Industrial Area Phase-1, New Delhi 110020 Ph: +91-11-26810602-3 (Ext-225) Mobile:+91-9899554189 lfyedit3(a)efyindia.com -- Vickram

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How to install Ck-erp package on linux
by neel s Gurjar 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hi How to install Ck-erp package onFC-3 ? Do anybody have Redhat Enterprise Edition 3 (RHEL-3) Please reply neel

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Quickcam driver problem in SuSe 9.2
by Sameer Niphadkar 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 Dinesh Joshi wrote : >> From: "Sameer Niphadkar" <spniphadkar(a)rediffmail.com> >>************************************************************************ >> Building modules, stage 2. >>make -rR -f /usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24/scripts/Makefile.modpost >> scripts/mod/modpost -m -i /usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24/Module.symvers -s /dev/null /home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/quickcam.o >>/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory >>make[2]: *** [__modpost] Error 127 >>make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 >>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24' >>make: *** [quickcam.ko] Error 2 >>ls: quickcam.ko: No such file or directory >>************************************************************************ >Yes sameer you're on top of the problem :). Try creating a symlink /usr/src/linux-2.6.xx to your kernel. Thanks Dinesh, I would try to create a sym link as you have mentioned but can you please explain about how to overwrite the present hard link. Because unless it is overwirtten the problem won't be solved. (This is as far as I know ) The hard link would have a higher priority over the softer one. Thanks once again Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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[Other]RH meetup
by Sameer Niphadkar 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Just a fwd rgds Sameer ******************************************************* Your Organizer, paulalapatt, sent the following message to the members of Mumbai Red Hat Meetup Group: Dear Red Hatters, This months meetup itenary reads as follows: 4.00pm Meetup starts 4.00pm-4.30pm Ice breaking, mingle around and get to know each other 4.30pm - 5.00pm Open discussion session on Zope, SMTP & Mail bounce back, Types of bootloaders in Linux, GNOKII, 5.00pm - 5.30pm Tips and tricks an open discussion 5.30pm - 5.45pm - Wrapping up and deceiding next months itenary Any modifications to the itenary are most welcome. Especially if anyone would like to take up a time slot to make a presentation on any relevant topic. Take care, Paul Alapatt +91-9820187987 ----------------------------------------------------------------- To visit Mumbai Red Hat Meetup Group, go here: http://redhat.meetup.com/16/ If you'd like to take part in a discussion, your Organizer also posted this message to your Group's Message Boards: http://redhat.meetup.com/16/boards/ Did this email end up in your spam/junk/bulk folder? Add info(a)meetup.com to your address book to ensure that you receive all future messages in your Inbox. ----------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE You received this message because you registered this email address at Meetup.com. To remove yourself from individual Meetup Groups and their related emails, click the link below and select 'Remove yourself' under the name of the appropriate Group: http://www.meetup.com/account/ To unsubscribe from ALL your Meetup Groups and the Meetup.com service as a whole, click here: http://www.meetup.com/account/remove/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Anyone managed to get Tally 7.2 to work on Debian?
by Rishi 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hi Has anyone managed to get Tally 7.2 to work on Debian? I got an eval copy from Software@work Pvt. Ltd. The requirement was RH 7.2 and Gnome Desktop. I installed Gnome Desktop and it installed without any hick-up in /usr/tally However, when I run the executable it says: ./tally72: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Any ideas on where to get libssl.so.4? Tried APT-CACHE search... no joy... Regards Rishi

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[ot][commercial][job] Urgent Opening for Tcl/TK in iSoftTech(Chennai)
by Vishwanath V 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hi Luggers, CONTACT: Venkatesh <venkatesh(a)isofttech.com> There is an immediate opening for Tcl/TK professions (preferably engineers not compulsory). Domain will be very much interesting (Voice Over IP). No need to be Domain expert, You can apply just if you know tcl/tk(GUI support), Please let me know immediately if any of you or your friends interested. You can find below about iSoftTech. Would you want to work on leading edge technologies and innovations, leverage small company advantages with big company stability, challenge your individual being , reap competitive compensation, and share the profits!!! Come shape tomorrow's products at iSoftTech. About Us: iSoftTech (Integrated SoftTech Solutions P Ltd) is a Chennai based high value-added software services company. It is founded by Ray Stata, founder and Chairman of Analog Devices Inc (www.analog.com) and well known venture capitalist and Padmashree Dr. Ashok Jhunjhunwala, Professor, IIT Madras and well known technologist (search "Ray Stata" & "Ashok Jhunjhunwala" in google for more details about them!) iSoftTech provides product development and engineering support for product developers and platform vendors across the world as their extended engineering team. It works with more than nine product companies helping develop their products for them. Technically challenging work & growth opportunities, highly experienced and competent team, open, transparent and intellectually rewarding work culture are some of the key value proposition that iSoftTech offers. Pl. visit our web site for more information www.iSoftTech.com CONTACT: Venkatesh <venkatesh(a)isofttech.com> ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] WinXp Vs Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 21:25, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > Revant wrote: > >Cost of windows xp: > >1) OS cost is Rs. 7,000 for first copy and 5,000 for paper > > licenses > > If you are talking volume license (any office with over 20 pcs can > otp for it), you will get WinXP for 5-5.5k, not OEM, but corporate > floating license (can move from one pc to another when you change / > discard pc). > > >2) Office 2003 isn't free!! it costs Rs.17,490 1 user license!!!!! > > can go as low as 11K per pc. For what slab? > > >and remember the post-installation and setup costs too. > >Windows needs frequent format-installations too, Most virus screw > > your system > > I have been using winxp for 3 years now and we dont need to do > format installtation. That is the excuse normally given by hardware > vendors who dont know what they are doing. The only 2 times I did a > format and install was once when i did something really stupid with > the service manager configuration and messed up the entire thing > (will also happen on linux if you play around with config files or > kernel without knowing what you are doing.) One BIG difference with GNU/linux (that includes applications) you have access to the code so if you are in trouble u CAN correct things. Further every time (and that is at least fifteen times with different application) I mailed a developer i got a response with useful technical inputs which helped resolve the problem within a day. No stupid mails about You are a valued idiot and our idiots are looking into the problem and we will get back to you when the next release treadmill starts rolling. > Virus attacks are a different ball game. Here again, if the users > are careful and sensible, most virus will not have an impact. If > the user is stupid (like running linux desktop as root), then you > are in for hell even on linux. Eh!. I have been running Debian as root for years havent had a problem ever. And the box is connected 24/7. (Ofcourse this is quite a nasty thing to do) But then most of my ports are turned off and firewalled etc. etc. > Make sure you talk of support and cost of support. If anyone says > that windows is supported by microsoft please be ready for details > on that. Microsoft does not provide support on windows (except to > very large companies) and they will charge you for all support > calls made, even if the problem was due to their software bug. > There is very little documentation available on windows per se. > Most support, documentation and newsgroup / usergroup help is only > on programming. > > Also explain that support on windows from the hardware vendor or > the neighbourhood computer shop is a bad idea. Most of them have no > idea except to reinstall the software, or solve absolutely basic > problems. In most cases, they are really useless. I speak from > experience. If you plan to get support better than the kind stated above it will cost you a fortune and is unlikely to be available unless you have 100+ multi location setup. Factoring these costs with meticulous SLAs is the key to your costing. The microserfs very nicely forget about SLAs when costing but suddenly remember them when signing up MCs. Could not agree more with the rest of the mail. Finally it is about really understanding who exactly is responsible for the stuff that resides on your box. Quite contrary to what M$ say in the press, they absolve themselves of everything and charge you a fat packet in the bargain. Strangely enough even the DOD (USA) software certification program fails completely to certify key aspects of closed software. The situation is being rectified much to the dislike of fiends like Greenhills, M$ etc.. Cant find the relevant links. rgds jtd

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[ILUG-BOM] Continuous receiving data on Broadband internet connection
by Nilesh Raykar 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Hi all, I am using Hathway broadband internet connection(256kbps) on my Debian (Sarge) machine. I use KDE3.3 desktop & use knetload to monitor network traffic, rate of connection(kbps),etc. Also I have installed firewall using "firestarter". The public access is disabled to all services. Whenever I start the modem, knetload shows non-stop incoming data (about 5-10 kbps). However, there is no outgoing data. I wonder from where this data is coming. I have closed almost all services on my machine. See output of "netstat" below- <QUOTE> ROOT:/home/nilray# netstat -tuap Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp 0 0 *:discard *:* LISTEN 2571/inetd tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 2279/exim4 tcp6 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN 2593/sshd udp 0 0 *:discard *:* 2571/inetd <UNQUOTE> Can anybody suggest casue of this influx & how to control it? Regards, NIlesh Raykar (raykar(a)hathway.com) Borivali(E), Mumbai Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Quickcam driver problem in SuSe 9.2
by Sameer Niphadkar 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 RK.Rajeev wrote : >Dear Sameer, > >The file scripts/basic/fixdep is found in the kernel source tree. >Alternatively, it should also be in the /lib/modules/2.6.xx/build >directory. if it is not finding it, it means the makefile is not setting >the proper KERNEL_SRC parameter. try moving the quickcam driver into >either of the mentioned directories, and see if you can get it to >compile there. Also, the /lib/modules folder usually requires you to be >root to get in and write stuff. Try compiling it as root. Just a thought. > >Regards >R. K. Rajeev > Well thanks for your inputs Mr. Rajeev. I did try to compile the driver (as a root) by specifying the kernel source directory with LINUX_DIR=/usr/src/linux-2.6.zz. and the modules directory as MODULE_DIR=/lib/modules/2.6.zz and it almost seemed to work but once again it looks like there is another file from the same scripts/mod dir which is missing. The error given this time was as follows ************************************************************************ Building modules, stage 2. make -rR -f /usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24/scripts/Makefile.modpost scripts/mod/modpost -m -i /usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24/Module.symvers -s /dev/null /home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/quickcam.o /bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [__modpost] Error 127 make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24' make: *** [quickcam.ko] Error 2 ls: quickcam.ko: No such file or directory [!] Looks like the driver compilation failed. Did you get any error messages above? If asking for help, show what error messages you got. WARNING: If you press Enter, I'll try to continue anyway, but this probably will fail. You SHOULD press Ctrl+C now. Press Ctrl+C to quit, Enter to continue ---> *********************************************************************** Just had another thought, as I was going through the README.txt file of the driver it said that the build dir in /lib/modules/2.6.xx should be a link to the kernel source i.e /usr/src/linux-2.6.xx. But the the link in my case shows that build directory is hard linked with /usr/src/linux-2.6.xx-obj/i386/default directory. I tried to change this link but despite being root its not allowing me a hard link change. Can you or anybody please tell me how to do the changeover, any other inputs are welcome as well. Thanks rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: Require RH 7.1 CDs....
by Revant 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

You can install RTLinux on debain or ubuntu too... just do # sudo apt-get install rtlinux or search synaptic for rtlinux sources.list is mostly updated with repos. Revant

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% CPU Utilisation in C
by Sajid ali Baig 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

hi, I want to find the average percentage CPU utilisation in C.can any one help me out. regards

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Error "modprobe Cant locate char-major-200 module" -- need help
by hemendra jain 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

>The error it gives is >"modprobe Cant locate char-major-200 module" >char-200-major is associated with all the devices under >directory /dev/vx What I understand is the directories in which MODEPROBE is trying to locate the required module do not have char-major-200 module. You will have to copy (char-major-200 module) in one of those directories. Modprobe is "SOMETHING" which resolves interdepencies. Eg. If you want to load Module A which in turn depends on Module B. Then in order to load Module A what is required is to load Module B first. By using MODPROBE you could load Module A directly and the interdepency is resolved by MODEPROBE. Regards, Hemendra Jain On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 BIJU KRISHNAN wrote : >Dear Linuxers, > >I get an error when I run >#vxconfigd -x9 > >-x9 makes the app to log its error into /var/log/messages....! > >The error it gives is >"modprobe Cant locate char-major-200 module" > >char-200-major is associated with all the devices under directory /dev/vx > >Any help would be appreciated....! >bye rgds >biju > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Sharing /var/log/wtmp
by Revant 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

I want multiple computers to share /var/log/wtmp and log the user login records, so that when i see single wtmp on the server I can get account of all computers and servers itself. Note: should I share users too? by sharing all files related to /etc/passwd ..... how to do that .... what are those files i just know passwd and shadow? Or is there any other way so that I can view log of the login records of all computers on lan, remotely? I'm really in need of help, I also tried to search google. Any specific strings, should I search on google? Revant

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internal Modem problem
by Hakim 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Thanks rajeev for this, today itself I'll try @my home hope it should finally work. good day Hakim On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:55 +0530, R. K. Rajeev <rajeevrk(a)myrealbox.com> wrote: > Dear Hakim, > > The PCTEL modems have drivers in Linux, but since they are part binary, > if you compile and install them, they will mark the kernel as tainted. > But then, with redhat, it shouldn't make much of a diff. I am attaching > a version of the pctel driver that i used to set up the pctel for a > friend of mine, on fedora core. Hope it helps. > > Regards > R. K. Rajeev > > Hakim wrote: > > >Hi all, > >i have installed PCTEL internal modem in my Redhat enterprise linux > >dut it is unable to work ,,it works fine in WINDOWS OS > >though it detect and showing in hwcong file but still when i activate > >using GUI it bumps me error. > > > >I try find it drivers on net, but unable to get that > > > >Seeking your valuable help > > > > > > > > > -- Thanks N Regards, Hakim H Vishiwala 0-93243 95842

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[ILUG-BOM] Error "modprobe Cant locate char-major-200 module" -- need help
by BIJU KRISHNAN 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Dear Linuxers, I get an error when I run #vxconfigd -x9 -x9 makes the app to log its error into /var/log/messages....! The error it gives is "modprobe Cant locate char-major-200 module" char-200-major is associated with all the devices under directory /dev/vx Any help would be appreciated....! bye rgds biju __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Gentoo linux 2005.0 Released
by Gaurav Mishra 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

The delayed Gentoo Linux 2005.0 was finally released early this morning. As previously announced, Gentoo Linux now defaults to kernel 2.6 and older kernels are gradually being retired. Apart from the usual security patches and package upgrades (to kernel 2.6.11, GCC 3.3.5, X.Org 6.8.2, KDE 3.3.2 and GNOME 2.8.1), there seem to be no ground-breaking new features in Gentoo 2005.0. Despite that, and despite the effort required to get it up and running, it is hard to deny that Gentoo Linux is one of the most educational and enjoyable distributions out there! Quoted on Official Release "This release has had a few setbacks including a complete security rebuild, but with the help of the many teams within the Gentoo developer community, we believe that this release will be one of the best that we have ever had." ISO Image can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml

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Linspire 5.0 Live cd Released
by Gaurav Mishra 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Linspire has released a live CD edition of Linspire 5.0 for download via BitTorrent. This edition lacks the hard disk installation option, but it is free to download and distribute as a demo CD to showcase the latest Linspire technology. Get it from here http://tracker.linspire.com/torrents/linspire_live_5.0.69.torrent

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PROBLEM INSTALLING RHEL
by swapnil ambre 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

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Free Ubuntu linux 4.10 CD for ppc
by Revant 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

I have Ubuntulinux.org ubuntu 4.10 for PowerPC CDs (5 Copies) Does any PowerPC user is interested in trying out ubuntu? I'll give them for free, they are just lying around.

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[ILUG-BOM] [ot][commercial][job] requirements: C / C++ / Linux / UNIX programming,Perl, Shell Scripting
by abhijeet mhatre 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Hi I am forwarding the following on behalf of my friend. You can send your replies to "Milind Mahajan" <milind.mahajan(a)searchworks.biz> regards Abhijeet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Hi We are looking at people with 4+ years of experience on: Kernel, Device Driver programming, C / C++ / Linux / UNIX programming,Perl, Shell Scripting. We are also looking at PLs / PMs on C++,VC++,UNIX / LINUX / Windows,Embedded This is for a SEI CMM Level 5 company which is about 12,000 people strong...and one of the Top 5 Players on the IT Companies in India. Regards, Milind Mahajan Senior Consultant Technology Practice Group SearchWorks India Pvt. Ltd. 705-706, Janki Centre, Off Veera Desai Road Andheri (West), Mumbai 400 053 Phone: (91 22) 5694 1052; Fax (91 22) 5678 0532 Mobile : (+91) 98193 67595 www.searchworks.biz milind.mahajan(a)searchworks.biz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------

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about mandrake 10.2
by milind nivruti bhosle 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

sir there is in new mandrake 10.2 professional ver. so please give me details about milind bhosle

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Quickcam driver problem in SuSe 9.2
by Sameer Niphadkar 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Hi, I recently bought the new Logitech Quickcam Communicate web-camera. On searching the web I managed to find a driver for it to run on linux. The driver module had be compiled and loaded in a uhci or ohci supported kernel. Now all this is undertaken by a installation shell script which manages most of the stuff automatically. Everything was going great till a point there was an error during the driver compilation, the error was listed as ********************************************************************** WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24/Module.symvers is missing, modules will have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS disabled. make -f scripts/Makefile.build obj=/home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8 gcc -Wp,-MD,/home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/.qc-driver.o.d -nostdinc -iwithprefix include -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -funit-at-a-time -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i586 -mregparm=3 -Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -DNOKERNEL -DMODULE -DKBUILD_BASENAME=qc_driver -DKBUILD_MODNAME=quickcam -c -o /home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/.tmp_qc-driver.o /home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/qc-driver.c /bin/sh: scripts/basic/fixdep: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [/home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8/qc-driver.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/galbotrix/qc-usb-messenger-0.8] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24' make: *** [quickcam.ko] Error 2 ls: quickcam.ko: No such file or directory [!] Looks like the driver compilation failed. Did you get any error messages above? If asking for help, show what error messages you got. WARNING: If you press Enter, I'll try to continue anyway, but this probably will fail. You SHOULD press Ctrl+C now. ********************************************************************* Could somebody please point out the defect for me to rectify. If there are any other modules which I need to manually enable then please do let me know as well. I am using SuSE Linux 9.2 Prof as my OS. Thanks in advance rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PROBLEM INSTALLING RHEL
by Sameer Niphadkar 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 swapnil ambre wrote : >problem installing rhel on a 200gb sata seagate hdd. >it gives an error of no hdd . >installs winxp on it. >i want to install rhel,suse 9.2 and winxp on it . >can somebody pl help me. >i have a 915 motherboard,512 ram > > Can you give the details of the error or better still post an installation log file. Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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PROBLEM INSTALLING RHEL
by swapnil ambre 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

problem installing rhel on a 200gb sata seagate hdd. it gives an error of no hdd . installs winxp on it. i want to install rhel,suse 9.2 and winxp on it . can somebody pl help me. i have a 915 motherboard,512 ram Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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PGP
by Amit Bagadia 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Thanks Satya, but i could use some more info both on open source and otherwise on digital signature using PGP and private key algo using PGP do mail me ppl bye Amit.

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[ILUG-BOM] Senior Software Developer LAMP (Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP)
by hemal 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Senior Software Developer Job Description Candidate should be exceptionally good in LAMP (Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP). Should be able to work in fast-paced environment with changing priorities. Able to work under pressure. Should be capable of delivering high quality products by good software engineering principles. Knowledge of Python will be an added value to your profile </> Duties include Analysis and design of Object Oriented Systems Development, Enhancement and Integration of Web Applications. Documenting the project deliverables during various phases Desired Job Profile General Experience: - Web Application Development experience - 3 Years experience in PHP scripting - 2+ years in designing large scale software systems using Object Oriented Techniques - Documenting system architecture and design - Relational database design and development Candidate must be expert in following technology area: - Development of web application development with PHP on Linux. - Experience with Apache application server - MySQL database development </>- Experience in open source is preferred. - Should have good communication skills & learning aptit Minimum Experience 3 - 5 years </> Qualification must be a literate.

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Semi Commerical-Latest CDs
by swathantra software 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Latest Cds Available Mandrake 10.1 K12LTSP 4.2 Fedora 3- 32 and 64 bit Fedora source Contact S2S2, Kannur,Kerala 9447449107 0497-2761182 http://www.s2s2net.netfirms.com

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Part time Linux Admin Job
by Dinesh J Dalvi 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

Evening Luggers, I'm RHCE looking for part time Linux Admin. Job. If anyone intrested pls. call on 09869032205. Regards, Dinesh Dalvi.

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