> From: T Roy <troylinux(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ILUG-BOM]AMD processor ??
> I want a AMD Athalon XP( 1.8Ghz) processor(with 256MB
> DDRAM) but there have been rumours that the processor
> gets heated up and could hang the system.
Yes, AMD's Athlons do heat up a lot, but I don't think its a major
'problem'. I use AthlonXP 2000+, with MSI's KT4V (Via KT400 chipset),
256 Mb DDR, nVIDIA GeForce4 64 Mb Display. (thank you to a good friend
made here on LUG, who helped me out making the machine) I run Mandrake
9.1 currently, and moving quickly toward a Gentoo install on the same
machine. [Visu, you'll be there, right? ;-) ]
I replaced the fan which came along with the processor, by a Thermaltake
Volcano copper bottom fan with a higher RPM. Sure it works great man.
Gave me 4-5 C less.
The idle temperature is around 50 C, and reaches around 57 C under some
intensive tasks, maybe like playing Quake.
>
> My room is not well ventilated, only cooling source is
> Fan. In such a case would AMD give me a problem?
Get a good fan if the fan from AMD isn't satisfactory. & yes, if you're
too paranoid, then see if someone can get you a good thermal paste, like
Arctic Silver's Ceramique or Shin Etsu's G751. They might help you with
a degree or two. Add up all, a good fan, a good grease and keeping the
cabinet un-congested and all grills clean, you should have a decent
machine at some 4,000-5,000 Rupees less than Intel's Pentium.
>
> Has anyone worked with XP series processors and how
> was your experience? The machine would be used solely
> for Linux( thats why I want to get a cheap
> processor ).
Athlon maybe 'cheap' but it is surely a good processor. If you want to
go REALLY cheap consider VIA's C-3 at 667 Mhz at Rs. 475 /- and C-3 800
Mhz at Rs. 1075/- :-)))
>
> I do face a heating problem. The temperature easily rises to 60+ oC
> without any process using CPU cycles.
Its not a problem, AMD's spec sheet says that AthlonXP is fine until you
take it to furnace at somewhere around 90 C, so 60 C sounds tame. But I
appreciate your concerns.
> I use CPUIdle on Windows which does a very good job to keep the
> temperature down to 25 oC when CPU is not in use(even when the room
> temperature is 30+ oC).
>
CPUIdle and other such softwares might *not* be a good long-term
solution. AFAIK IMHO, such software cooling solutions halt the FSB time
& again, and this leads to some deterioration of the hardware over time.
Nothing can substitute a good physical solution to thermal issues.
> BTW is there any utility on Linux like "CPUIdle" which "cools" the CPU
> while not in use?
>
I believe there is a HOWTO especially for Athlon cooling under Linux. If
you're the adventurous kind and are blessed with a decent 24/7365
internet connection, install Gentoo Linux. My dear friend reported to me
that his fps count went up from 850-900 fps to 1700-1800 fps JUST by
changing to Gentoo Linux, getting the one which is specifically
optimized for AthlonXP processors. That is squeezing out the most out of
the combination of a good processor and a good distribution. Extreme
value for your money with the trade-off that you gotta rack your brains
a little with the Gentoo offering!
> >
> > I think linux kernel does internal cpu power management and does not
> need any such utility...
Yes I guess, but I dont think its enough for Athlons... I still am
trying to figure out an integral solution to spinning down hard-disks,
clocking down the CPU, and turning off the display in a timed manner.
ACPI doesnt seem too well supported atleast till 2.4.21. I believe
2.4.22 resolved many ACPI issues. with good ACPI support, Athlon +
GNU-Linux combination rocks.
Vishal A. Belsare.
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Practise economy at any cost.