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Survey On LAMP and Linux Communitites
by Sachin 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi there, there is some interesting work going on the LAMP and Linux Communities in India The Comapny name is IDC (india) Limited at Bangalore [http://www.idcindia.com/] The Person called S. Sabyasachi came personally and met me for the information on LAMP and Linux. e.g. *What would be strengh ot linux user *Application *Desktop user etc I think people in india have started takiing the Linux Communitites very seriously now Hope this kinds of reviews and surveys actually have impact on the computer users mind regards sachin -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= We are each entitled to our own opinion, but no one is entitled to his own facts. -- Patrick Moynihan ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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chmod in PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I've been trying to change the opermissions of a particular file using the chmod command in php. Though a ver trivial operation ... it is not working. the command i'm using is: chmod("/var/www/cgi-bin/new.dat", 0777); i'm getting the following error: Warning: chmod failed: Operation not permitted in /var/www/html/new.php on line 2 Both the files viz. new.dat and new.php have the same owner and group. the current permissions for new.dat are -rw-r--r-- and permissions for new.dat are -rwxr-xr-x what could be the issue? Any suggestions will be appreciated :-) Kapil

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student from IISc, needed information on RHCE
by Harikishan V 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi Shankar, I am a student of Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. I would like to know that training centers which are offering course for RHCE situated in Bangalore. Your help will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance regards, Harikishan CEDT,IISc

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chmod in PHP
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I've been trying to change the opermissions of a particular file using the chmod command in php. Though a ver trivial operation ... it is not working. the command i'm using is: chmod("/var/www/cgi-bin/new.dat", 0777); i'm getting the following error: Warning: chmod failed: Operation not permitted in /var/www/html/new.php on line 2 Both the files viz. new.dat and new.php have the same owner and group. the current permissions for new.dat are -rw-r--r-- and permissions for new.php are -rwxr-xr-x what could be the issue? Any suggestions will be appreciated :-) Kapil

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Fwd: fetchmail
by slash_axl_rose 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-574663007-1035353524=:46597" --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: upengan1978(a)yahoo.com via 216.136.130.84; 22 Oct 2002 22:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: <upengan1978(a)yahoo.com> Received: from 203.197.83.190 (EHLO yahoo.co.in) (203.197.83.190) by mta420.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2002 22:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by yahoo.co.in (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g9N5pnV01299 for upengan1978(a)yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:21:49 +0530 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:21:49 +0530 From: upengan1978(a)yahoo.com Content-Length: 1504 i have configured the fetchmail it gives the following error The Fetchmail configuration file # Configuration created Tue Oct 22 20:04:54 2002 by fetchmailconf set postmaster "localhost" set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" poll oe2000.com via 192.168.0.1 user "pmtest1" pass "pmtest1" is tech keep fetchall It Gives me the following error Checking for mail on server(s) with command fetchmail -v -f '/home/tech/.fetchmailrc' oe2000.com .. fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol auto) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol IMAP) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: IMAP< * OK NTMail IMAP4 server v6.00.0014 ready fetchmail: IMAP> A0001 CAPABILITY fetchmail: IMAP< * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 LOGIN-REFERRALS fetchmail: IMAP< A0001 OK CAPABILITY completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0002 LOGIN "*" "pmtest1" fetchmail: IMAP< A0002 OK LOGIN pmtest1 is welcome fetchmail: IMAP> A0003 SELECT "INBOX" fetchmail: IMAP< * 5 EXISTS fetchmail: IMAP< * 0 RECENT fetchmail: IMAP< * OK [UIDVALIDITY 0321341696] UIDs valid fetchmail: IMAP< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft) fetchmail: IMAP< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft)] Limited fetchmail: IMAP< A0003 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed 5 messages (5 seen) for pmtest1 at 192.168.0.1. fetchmail: IMAP> A0004 FETCH 1:5 RFC822.SIZE fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 661) fetchmail: IMAP< * 2 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 948) fetchmail: IMAP< * 3 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 1594) fetchmail: IMAP< * 4 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 776405) fetchmail: IMAP< * 5 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 112100) fetchmail: IMAP< A0004 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0005 FETCH 1 RFC822.HEADER fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (RFC822.HEADER {581} reading message 1 of 5 (581 header octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed fetchmail: can't raise the listener; falling back to $procmail -d %Tsh: -d: command not found # fetchmail: IMAP< ) fetchmail: IMAP< A0005 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: IMAP> A0006 FETCH 1 BODY[TEXT] fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (BODY[TEXT] {80} (80 body octets) ** fetchmail: IMAP< ) fetchmail: IMAP< A0006 OK FETCH completed fetchmail: SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error fetchmail: socket error while fetching from oe2000.com fetchmail: 5.7.4 querying oe2000.com (protocol POP3) at Tue Oct 22 20:17:18 2002 fetchmail: POP3< +OK POP3 server ready <14393542900340(a)oe2000.com> fetchmail: POP3> CAPA fetchmail: POP3< -ERR Unknown command fetchmail: Unknown command fetchmail: POP3> USER * fetchmail: POP3< +OK pmtest1 is welcome. fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK mailbox locked fetchmail: POP3> STAT fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 891793 5 messages for pmtest1 at 192.168.0.1 (891793 octets). fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 messages 891793 (octets) fetchmail: POP3< 1 678 fetchmail: POP3< 2 965 fetchmail: POP3< 3 1611 fetchmail: POP3< 4 776422 fetchmail: POP3< 5 112117 fetchmail: POP3< . fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 678 octets. reading message 1 of 5 (678 octets) sh: -d: command not found #**fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 965 octets. reading message 2 of 5 (965 octets) #******sh: -d: command not found fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 3 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1611 octets. reading message 3 of 5 (1611 octets) #**********************************************sh: -d: command not found fetchmail: MDA exited abnormally or returned nonzero status not flushed fetchmail: POP3> RETR 4 fetchmail: POP3< +OK 776422 octets. reading message 4 of 5 (776422 octets) sh: -d: command not found #**********************************.*********************************.*************.*fetchmail: SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error fetchmail: socket error while delivering to SMTP host oe2000.com fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 fetchmail: terminated with signal 13 . checking complete. --0-574663007-1035353524=:46597--

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fetchmail
by slash_axl_rose 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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letter to get a email id
by jyoti acharekar 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

i am working at thana college in mumbai. please tell me what is my email id & also the password to get access to ilug-bom.org.in or how to sign in. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Can you trust your computer?
by Tahir Hashmi 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hi all! Richard Stallman has an article up on NewsForge where he discusses how the Microsoft Palladium and it's notion of "Trusted computing" in conjunction with American legislatures like DMCA, CBDTPA and TCPA can actually act as means of restraining people's freedom to compute. Given the strong inluence that America can exert over Indian technology legislation, IMO we should take this issue quite seriously. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/10/21/1449250&tid=19 I am not sure if we have people on this list who are capable of influencing the lawmaking process but I feel that the some people from the LUGs etc. should atleast have an informal group that comprises people who can exert influence over the government. If you look at the way the laws for cellular and wireless communication have been framed,you might get an idea of what could hold for the future of Indian computing, especially when people like Vijay Mukhi and Flynn Remedios have so much say. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Linux related books
by Philip S Tellis 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Can someone answer this person's query. Reply directly to the sender, not on the list. Philip ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: jyoti acharekar <acharekar_jyoti(a)yahoo.com> Subject: linux group Respected sir, I am Jyoti working at "Thana College". Our college has launched a Linux 7.2. I would like to make the collection of books avaliable on this topics and also I want a people name(email) list who is voluntariely give a lectures. If you are having any information kindly help me out

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linux user group[
by jyoti acharekar 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

regerding linux workshop please give a deatil information __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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RedHat 8 - Switching back to Sawfish
by Green, Shaun 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Does anyone know how to switch off this terrible bluecurve crap and get back to Sawfish?? I want to use my GTK themes; like BlueHeart. Thanks, Shaun linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in (Tahir Hashmi) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:52:43 2002 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable Message-ID: <20021009113608.3443df87.code_martial(a)softhome.net> Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA

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any tools on deb to help organise runlevels?
by Animesh N. Nerurkar 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

hi, is there any tool on debian that helps edit/organise runlevels? sure this can be done manually. but it would indeed be nice to have something on the lines of ntsysv to handle all that. reason for this: runlevel editing is not child's play. not many newbies who can handle this comfortably. selecting a number for the symlinks to be put into the various rcX.d directories is the timeconsuming part that needs too much R&D for newbies. this is very likely to turn people off when they compare things with MDK for example where there are multiple interfaces for handling runlevels, for starting and stopping services and finding out which service is running, stopped, what that service does (brief intro), etc. editing runlevels was fun for a while, till i caught myself spending too much time on this and stopped as that same time was required for regular studies more than for customising the runlevels. any new technology / feature consumes 90% time for learning and 10% or less for getting the job done ...this was roughly what happened when we built the schools CD for the GSCP proj ...and the same thing is recurring with the runlevel editing, getting my audio CD to play (still haven't managed this), etc. warm regards banduji peace -- : ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : No password login as user (#2) LOST #205 Fed up of typing password for every login as an user on stand alone boxes ? Use chpasswd ... As root type in: #echo 'username:' | chpasswd [Note the colon : after the user name]. From the next login onwards with that username, [Enter] needs to be pressed on the password prompt ... ####<kumarayil(a)eth.net>####################################### :

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] any tools on deb to help organise runlevels?
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

On Monday 21 October 2002 17:52, Animesh N. Nerurkar wrote: > hi, > > is there any tool on debian that helps edit/organise runlevels? ksysv

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congratz dinesh on the splendid workshop @ SPCOE
by Trevor Warren 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hello Luggers, I take this oppurtunity to congratulate Dinesh on the efforts and responsibility taken up on setting up/Co-ordinating and conducting the workshop at Sardar Patel College Of Engineering. Infact While going home on saturday dinesh had an accident......and inspite of being in pain, he made sure he was there for the 2nd day and see the workshop through. This according to me is display of COMMITMENT and RESPONSIBILITY that we and I would like to see FORTHCOMING from other on the LUG. Bye for now and have a nice day. Trevor ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] ISDN TA Configuration on Linux
by dinesh singh 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

hi anil, thanx for the feedback . would be very very .. greatful if you could send me brief instructions as to how to go about doing it on redhat 7.2 thanx a ton, regards, Dinesh Singh Hindustan Petroleum Corp. Ltd. On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Anil Mare wrote : >AFAIK there is no need to configure the modem. I have used Zyxel >for >lot of my clients. > >Anil > >--- Ashok Iyer <ashok_linux(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I guess good old wvdial should do for you. > > > > -- > > Ashok > > > > > hi, > > > > > > i am having trouble configuring an ISDN TA (Zyxel > > > -omni.net) on > > > RedHat 7.2. i tried adding an ISDN Device from the > > > redhat network > > > configuration but ZyXEL does not show up in the list > > > of devices > > > there.Is there any way of doing it manually. > > > i would be extremely greatful to anyone who could > > > help me out with > > > this. > > > > > > regards, > > > Dinesh Singh > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Give your Company an email address like > > > ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro > > > today! > > > Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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required help
by muhammad nasir 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I happened to come across your name while searching for a possible remedy to the problem I encountered during my solaris installation. Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF please give me a solution of problem i will be thankful to u r nice cooperation __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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help:freebsd
by aikala manoj pakkala 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

hi Shishir, i am manoj here from mangalore. can you help me get a copy of freebsd 4.5 or 4.4. i would be very much obliged if you can help me. thanking you manoj pakkala from mangalore ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Regarding running GNOME or KDE without giving shell access to users
by K.Vasudeva 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Dear all, Is it possible to run GNOME or KDE for users without giving any shell access.I want to give access to users only Netscape or Mozilla and want remove all other facilities (Editors etc).This we want to impliment in our Library. Thanks in advance -- K.Vasudeva National Centre For Biological Sciences Tata Institute of Fundamental Research UAS_GKVK Campus Bellary Road Bangalore - 560 065 Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 Fax : 080-3636662 Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in vasu_k(a)vsnl.net

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(no subject)
by Yusuf Dalal 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hi ppl, I am from Saboo Siddik College of Engineering. We wud like organize a workhop in r coll on Linux and its uses. Cud an of u'll help us in organizing it??? Yusuf Dalal (Student of M H Saboo Siddik College Of Engineering) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

CO(tm) 4.2 File: mail.txt philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in wrote Which I also do not agree with. {snip} but then philip, what wud be the best thing to do in a situation where the root password is shared between a team of administrators. The objective of my suggestion was to implement detective controls for the root account. Is there any other way to do this? Sure the best thing is not to share the root password, but i have seen a number of places where root passwords are shared so that if one administrator is not able to come in or is not reachable, another authorised person is available to manage the servers. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

sankha(a)atc.tcs.co.in wrote >Dear Sankha Subhra Som But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, [snip] i wud have deleted all entries from /etc/securetty. that wud mean that root wud not be able to log in from any terminal. Assuming that i dont run services that allow root to login remotely, one can use the root account only via the su command. i originally thought that this was what the statement meant. "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? [snip] Well...i cant think of what this may mean. guess philip was right, the statements seem to be wrong. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by shankar_ramchan＠vsnl.net 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

sankha(a)atc.tcs.co.in wrote >Dear Sankha Subhra Som But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, [snip] i wud have deleted all entries from /etc/securetty. that wud mean that root wud not be able to log in from any terminal. Assuming that i dont run services that allow root to login remotely, one can use the root account only via the su command. i originally thought that this was what the statement meant. "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? [snip] Well...i cant think of what this may mean. guess philip was right, the statements seem to be wrong. - Shankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

>Dear Sankha Subhra Som >Since in practical situations, the root password is often shared between 2 >or more administrators. Hence to enforce control, root is restricted from >logging in directly to the machine completely. But how do you enforce that (using securetty u can specify secure terminals, but how do you enforce it so that only logins thru su are permitted) And does the statement "a secure machine has a boot loader password that doesnt work" also make sense? Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** I never resist temptation, because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me.

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a secure machine has a root password that doesnt work
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

>A *really* secure machine will have a root password that doesn't work Can neone explain the meaning of this to me? Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** I never resist temptation, because I have found that things that are bad for me do not tempt me.

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ISDN TA Configuration on Linux
by dinesh singh 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

hi, i am having trouble configuring an ISDN TA (Zyxel -omni.net) on RedHat 7.2. i tried adding an ISDN Device from the redhat network configuration but ZyXEL does not show up in the list of devices there.Is there any way of doing it manually. i would be extremely greatful to anyone who could help me out with this. regards, Dinesh Singh __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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Why bash invokes child to execute script.
by Nikhil Karkera 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

$ps bash ps If I rum a simple shell script, the bash above, doesn't execute it. It invokes another bash process only for the execution of this script. Why? Regards, Nikhil.

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Linux Cluster
by Charudatt Mulye 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need for lex and yacc for Mandrake 9.0
by Vinayak Hegde 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hi nikhil, Flex and bison have superseded lex and yacc respectively. As flex and bison are compatible with the syntax of lex and yacc, any program written for lex or yacc will run in flex and bison. I did write a small compiler/translator in flex and bison and did not encounter any major differences. So unless you are working on a really big project i don't believe Flex/Bison will make any difference as compared to lex and yacc. --> Vinayak Hegde On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:01:47 +0530 "Nikhil D. Kikkeri" wrote: > i use Mandrake 9.0. however for some reason this distro does not provide > with lex, yacc, flex and bison. > > i downloaded flex and bison but it would be better if i get lex and > yacc as Linux Rulez __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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qmail help needed
by Ashok Iyer 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hi, I am using qmail as the MTA that serves 200 users. On an average 1500 mails and sent and 1500 received everyday on a 64K leased line. However there is a problem here. Due to insufficient and sometimes intermittent bandwidth, the qmail queue increases a lot especially if a certain mail is huge in size. Due to this, qmail defers delivery of local mails. All qmail processes seem to go to sleep. Though qmail accepts SMTP and POP connections during this time, it fails to deliver mails destined for the local domain. This results in the foll. message when I run 'qmailctl queue' : Messages in queue : 100 Messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 134 After some time interval of 15 mins or so, suddenly all qmail process awake and the mail delivery begins. I have no problem with delay in outgoing mails but I do not want local mails to be deferred. This is extremely irritating to the users. Can someone tell me the reason for this and the solution? Has someone faced this problem before? -- Ashok __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Report on Workshop at Fr. CRCE
by Philip S Tellis 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I am posting the report on the Workshop held at Fr. CRCE Bandra on the 12th and 13th of October, 2002. The report was written by Harsh Busa. The same will be put up on the db.ilug-bom.org.in website. Philip 2 Days @ Fr CRCE: Linux Workshop Report on Linux Workshop conducted at Fr. Conceciao Rodrigues College of Engineering, Bandra. Speakers: (all from Ilug-bom) Dr. G. Nagarjuna Mr. Dinesh Shah Mr. Philip S Tellis Mr. Harsh Busa Introduction: In late September, Philip was approached by Professor Shubhangi Deshmukh, of Fr. CRCE, Bandra, to organise a workshop on linux for the students of their college. Further coordination was with Mr. Aliasgar Dahodwala, a final year BE student. After a few discussions with Lug members, four persons volunteered to speak at the workshop. The workshop was to be held across two days, the 12th and 13th of October, 2002. The following schedule was drawn up with reference to topics suggested by the students, speaker expertise, and convenience of the speakers. Day 1, Morning Session: - Basic linux terminal commands - Harsh Busa - Loadable modules in the linux kernel - Philip - C Programming using Autotools - Philip - Short intro to perl - if time - Philip Day 1, Afternoon session: - Kernel compilation - Dinesh - Description of the /proc file system - Philip - Shell programming - Harsh If time permits, add vi and emacs here. Day 2, Morning Session: - Distinction between *nix and non-unix - Nagarjun - Linux File Structure - Nagarjuna or Harsh - File manipulation in Linux - Harsh Afternoon Session: - apache and samba configuration - Dinesh or Nagarjuna - configuring modem/sound/graphics/etc. - Dinesh or Nagarjuna Day 1: The first day started of nearly an hour late as the venue had to be shifted at the last moment from the Seminar Hall to a Classroom. In our opinion, this may have been a blessing as the classroom was smaller, and our voices could reach everyone without much straining. The topics gave speakers a general impression that the participants had some kind of familiarity with linux. We were also informed that the college had recently conducted a linux worshop before it and use it regularly for lab purpose. The opening poll suggested the otherwise. Except for a few final year and third year participants most were new to the concept of linux. This called for a prompt shift in focus, from Advanced Topics down to Creating Literacy and Awareness Harsh started out the first session, trying to touch upon basic filesystem stucture and commands. The session lasted around 90 minutes. Philip took over towards the end, introducing regular expressions using grep. [ed's note: my last regex lecture was 3 hours, this one was 30 minutes. I think they learnt much more this time.] It was decided at this point to postpone, or maybe even omit the concept of modular kernels. After the lunch break the session Shell Scripting was pushed up as it turned out that Philip's presentation on autotools was missing (specifically, the web directory in which the presentation was kept did not have read permissions). Harsh took up basic bash programming covering variables, expressions, conditions and loop structures. This was followed by a few simple examples suggested by members of the audience. Following this Philip took up the topic of AutoTools for writing C programs. We thought that it would be interesting to many, but without the slides, and with few people having been through the configure, make, make install process, it was too abstract for most. Some found it interesting but many seemed to be getting bored. It was already about 4 in the evening so it was time to wind up theory and let people try out some stuff for themselves. The exercise had 4 shell scripts: - Prime Numbers - Calculator - cp/mv/rm with more options / Interactive - Word Filter using grep. The day was dispersed without Dinesh getting to speak about Kernel Compilation and Philip unable to cover /proc, Loadable Kernel modules and Perl. Day 2: The second day started of on a rather positive note it was only 15mins off the schedule. The session was already reorganised by Dr. Nagarjuna looking at the previous day's experince. More time was given to speaking about Why Linux, its roots, the philosophy behind the free software foundation and what distinguishes POSIX ish OS from other OSes. This took around 90-100 mins and then before turning to the lab Dr. Nagarjuna gave a short preamble to EMACS which he then covered more extensively in the labs. It was decided to cut out the File Manipulation topic since people were already using VI and it would leave little time for other topics. Following the post lunch session Dinesh ran through the need for a customised kernel and then spoke about various aspects of selecting components for a custom kernel, various ways of compiling the kernel on shell and X both. Following this Dr. Nagarjuna demonstrated a Debian installation and explained various aspects of its several steps including adding modules to the system with apt-get and then towards the end samba and apache configuration. The speakers took some questions while the installion was going on. By the end of everything people too tired even to ask questions and simply wanted to rush home. Schedule: Finally, the schedule of what actually happened. Day 1, Morning Session: - Linux File Structure - Harsh - Basic linux terminal commands - Harsh Busa - grep - Philip Day 1, Afternoon session: - Shell programming - Harsh - C Programming using Autotools - Philip - Lab Day 2, Morning Session: - Distinction between *nix and non-unix - Nagarjun - Philosphy of Opensource and Free S/W - Nagarjun Afternoon Session: - Kernel compilation - Dinesh - Installing a typical Debian System - Nagarjun - apache and samba configuration - Dinesh or Nagarjuna Endnote: The organisers and the staff, everyone was very hospitable and lunch also quite nice. Though the sessions were interesting but quite randomly laid down topics and the vast spectrum of audience made it very difficult to satisfy everyone. It would have been better if the topics were selected keeping the audience and time in mind. The sessions were too short to do complete justice to the topic yet too long for the audiance to digest everything. It would be better if students internally cover some initial awareness sessions themselves and then have special topics arranged on weekends with a very definite topic in mind. Going by public demand often leads no one anywhere. If so many topics need to be covered well, then they should be spread over several days. or else simply have a separate beginner's workshop and then an advanced system admin or programming.

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Redhat Linux 8.0 and problems therein
by Dr. Atul Garg 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hello. At the outset I would like to tell you that I am a novice in Linux and don't know much. I have always treated Linux as an experimental OS to fool around with, because it is not very user friendly and the main problem of MS software is that they are very expensive. But here in Bombay, India that problem gets solved due to blatant software piracy which helps users like me use the amazingly high priced software at down to earth prices. Anyway before I started fooling around with Redhat Linux 8.0, I had no idea what "making" meant and how it had to be done. I am not a programmer!!. I installed Redhat Linux 8.0 from the CDs and it got stuck at the installation screen itself. I have the following hardware :- Compaq Presario 7000A4 PIII 933 MHz 256 MB RAM Riva TNT II with 32 MB RAM Hda with 30 GB Win2k ntfs Hdb with 10 GB > Hdb1 Linux main > hdb5 Linux swap > hdb6 msdos USB keyboard Compaq internet keyboard PS/2 mouse and some Firewire hardware for Digital camera (I think). DVD drive and internal modem (Conexant HCF) The Installation failed to get my USB keyboard and it kept waiting for an input. No failsafe mechanisms !! Luckily I had an old simple keyboard which came in handy, and helped us install the damn software. Then after booting it again I realised it recognised my USB keyboard down to the vendor etc but could not use it for some stupid reason.It gave the following error about a zillion times during kernel startup >> usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Also it recognised my modem but again could not find it by software detect from pppd. So I went about searching the net high and low to get a solution, but to no avail. Thanks to Mr.Michael Fischer ,Professor of Computer Science @Yale who had a similar problem with his HP USB keyboard and as per his suggestion, I got the new kernel source for 2.4.19 (bloody 30MB download over a dialup) and then also the patch file to 2.4.20-pre10. It worked!!! << I had to learn how to patch the kernel source, and also how to make the damn kernel itself. Painful experience I must say..>> To the new kernel, I added NTFS support. (Redhat has something against NTFS support, it doesn't compile it into the kernel by default). And reduced the size by removing unnecessary hardware support from 1.1 MB to 780 KB. WoW !! I worked out a way in which USB keyboard was used in HID Boot Protocol method. Simply edit your /etc/modules.conf to read alias usb-controller usbkbd ........instead of alias usb-controller usb-uhci. This loaded the usbkbd.o file (u have to "make" it through the .config file inside the kernel making factory by activating CONFIG_USB_KBD=m). It worked perfectly and doesn't give any more errors regarding timeouts.. I then went on to download the hcfpcimodem-0.98mbsibeta02090200-1.i386.rpm binary RPM for my Conexant HCF internal modem from mbsi.com. Thanks Mark Boucher for the great software !! After installation it asks you to run a script called hcfpciconfig which not only configures your modem but also figures out if you are using a kernel which it will have to compile a modem driver for !! Great.. And it did just that for my kernel 2.4.20-pre10custom version. And automatically configured it too.. So now I have the keyboard, NTFS support and modem working perfectly. Long way for Redhat to go before they can compare to the likes of Apple and Microsoft. I wonder why anybody would even remotely think of comparing Linux at this stage to MS products or even MacOS?? I'd say it would take another 5-7 years before they can catch up to what other OSes are today. Thanks everybody for all the amazing help provided online today and in the past which helps novices like me to get our systems working.. thanks a lot.. Hope this file will get other people like me out of their misery. Bye. Dr. Atul Garg. atulrg <at> rediffmail.com PS:- More about making a kernel. You need to have the kernel source installed. It goes to the folder /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 etc. If you want to patch >> download patch and extract it to /usr/src folder. Use patch -p0 < patch file name. Then use the graphical utility "make xconfig" is the command, or simply go to control center > system tools > kernel config. Alter the source path to whatever your version of kernel is. If you want to use the old .config file for safety sake, pull it out of the default kernel source (e.g.: Redhat 8.0 CD has kernel 2.4.18-14. /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-14/.config is the file) or you may find it at /boot/config-2.4.18-14. Always save the original file to some safe place because you always tend to "make" mistakes(pun intended here). Alter the file, for your system and add whatever you want, delete hardware support etc. Now use the following commands to MAKE the kernel in the directory /usr/src/linux-urversion:- make symlinks dep >> computes dependencies. make clean >> Housekeeping operation make bzImage >> makes the kernel make modules >> Module factory at work make modules_install >> relocating modules to work perfectly make install >> relocating your kernel files to work.. PLEASE READ THE REDHAT LINUX DOCUMENTATION THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE INSTALLATION CDs BEFORE YOU DO ALL THIS. File to read file:///mnt/cdrom/RH-DOCS/rhl-cg-en-8.0/s1-custom-kernel.html or so. Search engine keywords :- REDHAT LINUX 8.0, Psyche 8.0, kernel 2.4.18-14, 2.4.19, patching kernel source, making a kernel, keyboard USB, Compaq internet keyboard, usbkbd.o, HID Boot protocol, Conexant HCF and HSF internal modems.

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RE: sm56 on red hat ....
by Nauzad 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

SM56 is a Winmodem and cannot be detected by Linux. To use it you have to install a file (given in PCQuest July 2001 CD). I followed the steps given in the magazine and will run through them quickly. insert the second CD and go to /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS do # rpm -Uvh sm56-85.1-10.i386.rpm then # sm56setup 852 to check if everything is up and running load the driver. # modprobe sm56 # dmesg your modem will be installed in /dev/modem which points to /mnt/sm56 Configure your internet connection using Kppp etc. and start surfing :) If you need more help goto http://linmodems.org or write to SM56LinuxSupport(a)motorola.com -----Original Message----- From: kedar sapre [mailto:kedarsapre@vsnl.net] I am trying it to configure for my RH 7.2 box , but it damn not working .... If u were really able to connect to internet with SM56 on RH 7.2 , please let me know , how did you manage to configure ?

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[ILUG-BOM][OT] CD Writer
by Abhijeet More 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi, I am about to get a Cd Writer. I would like to have opinions from people on the list about the best option for me. I would most likely go for an internal IDE device ... with a budget of about Rs. 4500/- And of course it has to work with Linux ... which I believe should not be an issue anymore. Thanks Abhijeet More PS: A few days ago I had read a post from an alter ego on the list ... I believe it was Abhijeet Mhatre ... Are you still around??

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Thanks !
by Lorenzo 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi Rupesh.. I only want to say you thanks.. :) I try for such a long time to resolv some problem with my new adsl connection but linux red hat don't give the right routing... and finally I found your post: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020729/005635.htm l and it resolv all my problem ! :) Xelon.It is now on my own web-server... sorry for the bad english but I'm an italian boy.. Tnx Again ! Lorenzo.

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need for lex and yacc for Mandrake 9.0
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

hello, i use Mandrake 9.0. however for some reason this distro does not provide with lex, yacc, flex and bison. i downloaded flex and bison but it would be better if i get lex and yacc as well. can any one tell me where i can download lex and yacc? regards -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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smtp service for home
by quasar＠vsnl.net 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I have got cable internet which wipes out the use of the VSNL smtp services. I have the windows and the Linux client (thanks Mitul for the link). I need to have SMTP services both on windows(brother needs it) & on Linux(I use it). I have exim installed on Linux and have to configure it. Is there any smtp server available for windows? Also can anyone point out any particular documents relating to home smtp service configuration? thanks.

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books for sale/
by akshaysalkar 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 20%-25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 5) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 6) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 7) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 8) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 9) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 10) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 11) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re route
by slash_axl_rose 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all my last message to route was replied by somebody tellin me that ipv6 doesn't realy help in reducing routing table entries...Well then my question is what does Aggreagate Global unicast address having TLA (top level aggregator )field and heirarchical structure useful for??? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3
by Hrushikesh Tilak 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

Run linuxconf>control>Mount/Unmount filesystems>Control Configured local drives. Hrushikesh Tilak. >From: Nauzad Tantra <nauzad(a)vsnl.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3 >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:58:02 +0530 > >Hi, >I'm a newbie and have just installed Redhat Linux 7.3. I have been unable >to configure the following: > >I can mount the Dos partitions using the mount command. However, I am >unable to mount them at startup by configuring /etc/fstab since I dont know >the entries to be entered in the last 3 columns. eg: noauto,defaults, 0 0 >etc. How do I configure the file. > >I have a Motorola SM 56 Winmodem. The modem drivers that I have (supplied >by PCQuest) used to work on ver7.2 but do not seem to be working here. >Where can I get the drivers from. (If someone has the drivers, be kind and >email them to me please). > >I need to print on a printer connected to a WinNT machine. Will I need to >run Samba on the Linux machine or on the NT machine. Where do I get samba >for WinNT. (Samba does start but does not load the GUI interface on the >Linux machine. How do I get that to work.) > >How do I browse my network if the other machines on the network are all >windows machines. I wish to use and share files and services on other >machines. > >Thats a lot of questions. >Hope i get as many answers. > >Thanks a lot, >Nauzad > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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cyberoam linux client
by quasar＠vsnl.net 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

where can I find the [latest] cyberoam client for Linux. I have finally got cable internet. quasi

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I need help with Redhat Linux 7.3
by Nauzad Tantra 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

Hi, I'm a newbie and have just installed Redhat Linux 7.3. I have been unable to configure the following: I can mount the Dos partitions using the mount command. However, I am unable to mount them at startup by configuring /etc/fstab since I dont know the entries to be entered in the last 3 columns. eg: noauto,defaults, 0 0 etc. How do I configure the file. I have a Motorola SM 56 Winmodem. The modem drivers that I have (supplied by PCQuest) used to work on ver7.2 but do not seem to be working here. Where can I get the drivers from. (If someone has the drivers, be kind and email them to me please). I need to print on a printer connected to a WinNT machine. Will I need to run Samba on the Linux machine or on the NT machine. Where do I get samba for WinNT. (Samba does start but does not load the GUI interface on the Linux machine. How do I get that to work.) How do I browse my network if the other machines on the network are all windows machines. I wish to use and share files and services on other machines. Thats a lot of questions. Hope i get as many answers. Thanks a lot, Nauzad

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route
by slash_axl_rose 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all may i know how todays isp's take care on everincreasing routing table entries?? (other than cidr,ipv6,don't route:)) bye thnx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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PVM setting up probs
by Gurpreet Singh 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

hi luggerz is their a soul up there who has been working with PVM and can help us with some stuff. we r trying to get PVM up in our labs but are facing probs configuring it plz help Gurpreet & krunal

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[Announce] libyahoo2 ver 0.6.1
by Philip S Tellis 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

libyahoo2 is a C library implementation of the yahoo messenger protocol. You can use it to write your own Yahoo messenger client. Version 0.6.1 has just been released. It contains a fix for the segfault on certain notification packets. Other fixes that just happened to be ready in time for this release: - conference add invite fixes - identity support for conferences NOTE: along with identity support, the conference API has changed. There is an additional parameter that specifies the identity to use. This may be NULL to use the default. See the README and header files for more details. Philip -- November, n.: The eleventh twelfth of a weariness. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

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Re: Workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct)
by Dinesh Shah 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

Hi LUGers, The organizers of the workshop are kind enough to open the workshop to all. Here is the invitation. Please contact Bala / Vinit directly on their mail address for registration and further details. --------- Dear IEEE members, The IEEE-SPCE student council is organising a workshop on Linux which will be conducted by the GNU/Linux Users Group,Mumbai.The workshop will be held on 19th & 20th of October and will cover the Basics & Advanced Concepts of Linux.All members interested are invited to attend the same. A nominal registration fee would be charged for the workshop,which would be Rs.10 for IEEE members Rs.25 for non-IEEE members. For registration & further details contact: Balasubramanian V (Sabarish Viswanathan <sabarish_v(a)yahoo.co.in>) - TE Electrical Vinit Mahadevan ( vinitmahadevan(a)yahoo.co) ) -TE Electrical -Balasubramanian V.

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Talk at IIT on IndLinux/Computing for the masses
by Frederick Noronha 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

------------------ Speaker: Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan, Media Lab Asia. Date: 18th October, Friday Venue: KReSIT, Room No.301 , IIT Bombay. Time: 3.30 PM Title: Ind Linux/Computing for the masses Abstract ====== For digital technology to reach the masses, the technology has to speak the common man/woman's language. Sadly, most software, operating systems and applications sold in India are in English. To break this logjam and the market, Indlinux.org is localizing Linux in Indian languages and plans to distribute it free of cost across India. A localized version of Linux in Hindi is in an advanced state of development and will be demonstrated during this talk. The talk with be in two parts; the first part consisting of an overview by Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan and Prakash Advani, co-founders of the project. This will be followed by a demonstration of the software and a brief overview of what localisation involves by G Karunakar, which will cover: o Internationalization & Localisation basics. o The POSIX o GNU Gettext model o The toolkit approaches o How it all fits in. o What we are doing o Fonts development o Input methods o Translations o Current areas of work o Areas you can contribute/do o QT / KDE o Mozilla o OpenOffice Conclusion Q & A For more information about IndLinux, see www.indlinux.org -----------------------

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Hi Problem in Fetchmail
by funky 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

hi If ur password starts with a number fetchmail gives a error. > Can you please explain me the meaning of the error which i am getting while starting fetchmail > e.g fetchmail -v -v -f /etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc > > fetchmail:/etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc:11:parse error at passwd __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Hi Sachin, On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Sachin wrote: > hi dinesh , > i really appricated ur work for co-ordination for this even > thanx for including me as speacker. Thanks for the kind words... I should thank you for coming forward as a speaker. > you have given me 2 schdules for the topic on PHP , Tcl/tk. > on 19 it ok with only php > but on 20 th it is If you can not make it on 19th let me know. I will make necessary changes in the schedule. But if you can come on both days, we will organize the things more dynamically. > i know little of Apache and Mysql > and nothing of Tomcat and Zope and PostgresSQL > > I am going to speak accrding to the following topics and will cut short them > accroding to the TIME LIMIT > > PHP [10 -15 minutes] > ==== > 1. What is PHP? (introduction) > 2. Some Diffrence between PHP and other web/system scripting languages ASP/Pearl > 3. Features [ Ease Protablity support] > 4. How to Get , Installting , Support[php.net , phpbuilder.com , zend.com] > 5. Development > 5a. Tempalte [dynamic sites , ease of change of db] > 6. PHP + Mysql > 7. Apportinuties > 8. Application [web site of *.edu ] > > > Tcl/Tk [10 -15 minutes] ======== [This is the Tutorial at IBM site at > the link > https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/l-tcl/l-tcl-2-1.html > for this u have to register[Free] with ibm as part of "developerworks" > ] Tcl/Tk quick start Presented by developerWorks, your source for > great tutorials ibm.com/developerWorks Table of Contents If you're > viewing this document online, you can click any of the topics below to > link directly to that section. 1. About this > tutorial....................................................... 2 2. > Tcl/Tk basics > ............................................................ 4 3. The > Tcl language....................................................... 6 > 4. Tk > commands........................................................... 19 > 5. Getting to know > Expect................................................ 25 6. Tcl/Tk > extensions....................................................... 29 > 7. Resources and feedback > ............................................. 32 It look ok... Looking forward to seeing you @ SPCE on 19th and 20th :-) Thanks and regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 6919423 Tel: (+91-22) 6747120

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by q u a s i 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

At 08:27 morn 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >It just contains sound... It is an avi. You probably only have the audio codec. 600Mb of sound will be an awful lot. quasi

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(no subject)
by satyajit balkrishna saste 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Need some help in setting up a cluster.Anyone reading please send me the step by step procedure to set up a cluster.... Thanks..

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Debian CDs
by Parvez Lanewala 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Hi luggers, Can anyone lend me Debian 3.0_r0 (or close) CDs. I would prefer if all 7 CDs are with someone. I'm at andheri(e). Thanks in advance. parvez -- My theology, briefly, is that the universe was dictated but not signed. -- Christopher Morley

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[ACM] Discussion: Closed source is required in certain cases
by Philip S Tellis 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Topic: Closed source is required in certain cases Type: Discussion Date: Friday, October 18th, 2002 Time: 18:30 Venue: NCST, Juhu (http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/images/ncstj_roadmap.gif) Entrance: Free for all There will be a discussion/debate on whether Closes source is required in certain cases or not. All are welcome to attend, and to say something on the matter. This is a discussion, so everyone speaks. Philip -- "Show business is just like high school, except you get paid." - Martin Mull

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cvsupd in linux
by slash_axl_rose 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

hi luggerz may i know whats "cvsupd" used for mirroring??? one more question if i want to use ssh to connect to another server and dont want to type password all the time is there any remedy?? ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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FLOSS... e-government... and India
by Frederick Noronha 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Open Source... e-government ... and India This is an international conference on Open Source (Free Software/Open Source might have been a better description) in the US. And look at the 'desi' participation: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh (27) ex-Delhi and key author of the FLOSS European study; a special session for India (Ajay Kumar of Kerala, Jivtesh Maini of Punjab, Sunil Abraham of Mahiti-Bangalore... a convert to GNU/Linux and its relevance for NGOs, and Vinay Deshpande of Simputer Trust). There are also other desi-sounding names. Wish more desis could travel the globe at the drop of a hat... there are more points to be made http://www.egovos.org/egovosagenda.htm * * * * * * * * * More such info at http://linuxinindia.pitas.com * * * * * * * * *

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workshop@SPCE can we participate
by Gurpreet Singh 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

hi the contents for the workshop at spce seem exciting... can we participate for it. plz revert back with registeration fee etc. gurpreet

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Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Hi ILUGers, Here is the revised agenda with changes proposed by Bala / Vinit of SPCE. All speakers are requested to acknowledge and confirm their availability. On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Sabarish Viswanathan wrote: > Dear Sir, > > There are a few changes that we would like to have in > the schedule.These are indicated below,wherever > required. Thanks Bala / Vinit for your input. Will incorporate the changes as proposed by you in new schedule. Day - 1 (19 Oct.) 09:00 - Registration 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ? 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and History of Free and Open Source s/w and GNU/Linux. Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) 11:30 - Installation Of RH / Debian Speaker: (Mitul Limbani / Parag Mehta ?) 13:00 - Lunch Break 14:00 - Linux / Unix file system hierarchy, OS principles, diff from MS-DOS / Win, The X Windowing System, XDM/KDM/GDM, WMs and DMs Speaker: (Dinesh Shah / Terrence ?) 15:30 - Programming and Development in GNU/Linux, C, C++, JAVA, Perl, PHP, Python, Shell... Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna - Python, Philip Tellis - Perl, Sameer - C/C++, R. Jaju - JAVA/GUI, Krishnan - C/C++,Mr.Tapeshwar - GTK/QT, Mitul Limbani PHP,Dinesh Shah - Shell ... ?) 16:30 - Tea Break 16:45 - Programming and Development continued 18:30 - Q&A Free wheeling 19:00 - Winding up the day. Day - 2 (20 Oct.) 09:00 - Registration 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member 10:00 - Basic System Administration, troubleshooting and asking for help. Netiquette and "LUGiquette". Speaker: (Philip Tellis ?) 12:00 - TCP/IP, Networking, sub-netting, routing, DNS, Introduction to PRC and Network / System Security Concepts Speaker: (Trevor Warren / Shankar Ramchandran ?) 13:30 - Lunch Break 14:30 - LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) and Web Applications and Application Servers (Tomcat, Zope etc.?) , RDBMS (MySQL, PostgreSQL etc.)? Speaker: ??? 16:00 - Tea Break 16:30 - Applications and extensions like embedded systems, open hardware etc. Speaker: (Terrence / Parag Mehta / Dinesh Shah ?) 17:30 - Q & A Free Wheeling. 18:00 - Concluding the seminar with invitation to participate in ILUG, PRC. > Also,we would find it difficult to stretch the > workshop beyond 6:00 pm on both the days.So we would > appreciate it if you could change your schedule as > required. > Thank you. The second day we will finish @ 6:00 PM :-) > Yours faithfully, > Balasubramanian V > SPCE -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Hi Problem in Fetchmail
by Tineeminee 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Hi Can you please explain me the meaning of the error which i am getting while starting fetchmail e.g fetchmail -v -v -f /etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc fetchmail:/etc/fetchmail/fetchmailrc:11:parse error at passwd Rgds Ram-C

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routing
by slash_axl_rose 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi luggerz ok ,May i know which r the latest routing protocolz in industry, which r dominantly used for following?? 1. Direct routing / Indirect routing 2. static /dynamic (RIP or OSPF) 3. interior (distancvector ,link state) /exterior(path vector)(EGP or BGP) and why?? ravi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] vsnl & virus scan --- (Fw: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert)
by Saswata Banerjee 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

WARNING !!! --- THERE MIGHT STILL BE A VIRUS IN THE HTML ATTACHMENTS, OPEN WITH CARE This is an example of what vsnl servers do. Look at the txt file. It is clear that vsnl deleted some attached file. That, according to my experience, is the .pif file, similar to what quasi got in his email. Personally, I think vsnl is doing a lot of good. I cant think of one user who will complain of such automated virus scanning when it saves him of a huge lot of trouble. In fact, I say, hats off to them for doing such thing. The message header is quoted below : **** Received: from smtp03.vsnl.net [203.197.12.9] by ns1.KLPMARK.COM with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A90CDFE603EE; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:12:52 +0530 Received: from Qgl ([203.197.12.9]) by smtp03.vsnl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H1ESAX01.6SO for <saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:24:33 +0530 Received: from ([203.197.116.65]) by smtp03.vsnl.net (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall Unix); Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:24:33 +0530 (IST) From: nyccutiegirlie <nyccutiegirlie(a)yahoo.com> To: saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com Subject: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=KdkUlG9c7ydu28sz24CV Message-Id: <200208252212853.SM00232(a)smtp03.vsnl.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:12:53 +0530 X-RCPT-TO: <saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Status: U X-UIDL: 327170562 ****** ----- Original Message ----- From: nyccutiegirlie To: saswata(a)saswatabanerjee.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Hello,spice girls' vocal concert

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[LIH] Gentoo VS Apt-build
by Ritesh H Shukla 14 Oct '02

14 Oct '02

> Hi, > I read the article on slashdot.org pointing to an > article in ORielly about Gentoo Linux... Which seems > to be similar to what apt-build on debian is trying > to > achieve which it has to some extent. > Has any one used either... what are their opinion > on > the same?? > -Ritesh > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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streamin media
by slash_axl_rose 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

hi luggerezzzzzzzzzz ok as we have real media streamin server ,Do 'e hav something like that in linux to provide online media ondemand or live on web one more q'n is that how can a client listen to songs on a linux server is there any way to achieve this?? thx in advance ===== ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' "Can I Expect this October 2002 full of blood donation" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] streamin media
by Vinayak Hegde 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

Hi, Yolinux site has some good links on using and configuring a streaming media server. here they are. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAudioStreaming.html http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRealVideoStreaming.html --> Vinayak Hegde On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:04:06 -0700 (PDT) slash_axl_rose wrote: > hi luggerezzzzzzzzzz > ok as we have real media streamin server ,Do 'e hav > something like that in linux to provide online media > ondemand or live on web > ===== > ravi saxena http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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[OT] who invented email?
by Nikhil Joshi 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

Hi! Have a look at page 2 of today's ( Sun Oct 13) Mumbai Newsline (supplement of The Indian Express ) Following is the comment at the end of the paragraph : S Ganesan and his email account : He wants to thank whoever invented email, but doesn't know if it should be Sabeer Bhatia or Microsoft I am confused. I mean Microsoft didnt invent email right? It was right frm the age old days of Internet I guess ... Also Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail ( I still dunno why it was earth - shattering . Can ny1 enlighten on this pls ?) So who invented email ? -- Nikhil Joshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] who invented email?
by Himanshu shukla 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

I was finding the history of a few technologies as a part of my mba studies. Heres some insight for email: "The first email message was sent in late 1971 by a computer engineer named Ray Tomilson. While the exact message is not known, it is believed to be something like "QWERTYIOP". Ray Tomilson is also the person who picked up the "@" as the locator symbol in the email address. For more info, check out: http://www.vicomsoft.us/knowledge/reference/email.history.html http://www.pretext.com/mar98/features/story2.htm -- Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: Nikhil Joshi <nikhil_joshi(a)gmx.net> To: ilug <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:18:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] who invented email? Hi! Have a look at page 2 of today's ( Sun Oct 13) Mumbai Newsline (supplement of The Indian Express ) Following is the comment at the end of the paragraph : S Ganesan and his email account : He wants to thank whoever invented email, but doesn't know if it should be Sabeer Bhatia or Microsoft I am confused. I mean Microsoft didnt invent email right? It was right frm the age old days of Internet I guess ... Also Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail ( I still dunno why it was earth - shattering . Can ny1 enlighten on this pls ?) So who invented email ? -- Nikhil Joshi _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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[OT] vsnl & virus scan
by Amish Mehta 13 Oct '02

13 Oct '02

First of all I have no idea if VSNL does what 'Saswata Banerjee & Associates' pointed out in his last email to this list. But I think its not legal to do that(even if email has virus). Because I think email should not be scanned(even if by a 'DUMB' program) without permission of sender or receiver. As most of emails do not have virus and may be official emails and it would be considered as intrusion to someones privacy. Would like others opinion. Thanks. Amish. Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > >An interesting thing I have noticed recently is that vsnl servers are >scanning outgoing emails for virus affected attachement and deleting them. I

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] vsnl & virus scan
by q u a s i 12 Oct '02

12 Oct '02

At 11:32 morn 10/11/02 +0530, you wrote: >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, q u a s i wrote: > > > without permission. But I would like to know how VSNL gets the legal > > right. If they do have a legal right then this is an issue which we have > >VSNL owns the network. You need to read the service agreement a >little closer. I do not think VSNL will be in any actual legal trouble. But Intel had to withdraw CPU's with the serial number due to people who "cherish" their privacy. Blocking spam is a completely different thing. You identify complete emails received from a dubious sources and block them. When you alter private emails you are breaching privacy. I dont think there is a "law" to prevent it, but it is /not/ the "Right Thing(tm)" to do IMHO. quasi

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[OT] Help Solicited : Linux installation on server.
by Vishal 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

There is a small office in Bombay, using Linux on their server. However, due to a disk crash, they need to start afresh & need the services of a person adept at Linux installation / configuration on a server. Their requirements are somewhat like this: Apache, PHP, MySQL, DNS, sendmail, POP... I believe the office will remunerate for the services rendered. Interested people please write with your expectations at bvishal(a)gmx.net and *not* on the list. Vishal.

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cgi + apache configuration issues
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

I'm trying to configure my apache server to handle cgi scripts. However I get the following error : ********************************************** [Fri Oct 11 10:40:57 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/cgi-bin/first.cgi failed [Fri Oct 11 10:40:57 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.13] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/cgi-bin/first.cgi ********************************************** The script which I am using for testing is given below: ********************************************** #!/usr/bin/perl print "Content-type: text/html\r\n\r\n"; print "Hello, World."; ********************************************** The access permissions for the script are: -rwxrwxrwx I've tried making the following changes to httpd.conf: ********************************************* ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin/ <Directory /var/www/cgi-bin> Options +ExecCGI </Directory> AddHandler cgi-script cgi pl AllowOverride Options ********************************************* I've also added the line below to .htaccess file: Options +ExecCGI The .htaccess earlier contained the line: deny from all However all attempts have been totally unsuccesful. Any solutions will be really appreciated. Regards Kapil Karekar Omkar e-nnovative software solutions kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com Tel: (091-022) - 8012861 (O) (091-022) - 8677305 (R)

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IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by q u a s i 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Philip, Your email on Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:37:24 +0530 (IST) with message id 20021007090724.249F65F446(a)mmb5.vsnl.net.in had a stock-obc.xls.pif file attached to it!!! Do you know anything about it? !

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eSakal font
by KDLinux 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi all, I am trying to install sakal fonts on redhat linux 7.2. This is what i did. 1. Copy the fonts to directory. /usr/share/fonts/Truetype 2. created fonts.scale file 3. I added the above directory to fontpath using chkfontpath 4. restarted xfs, xfstt 5. But I am not able to view the fonts in konqueror. Btw, I can see the font installed using gfontsel. Please help. TIA. ===== -- KD. www.kirandivekar.cjb.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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editing the startup files
by Hrushikesh Tilak 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi, I have RH 7.1. Before the logon screen appears, and after INIT starts, a number of programs are automatically started . Which file should i edit so as to prevent some of these programs from starting and also to add some other program? (Something like autoexec.bat in windoze 9x.) Hrushikesh Tilak _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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X not working
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hello, I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop 1405-S151 which has a CyberAlladin-T graphics accelerator card with 16 MB of VRAM.I am using PCQ Linux 7.1 which is based on RHL 7.1 However X does not seem to start up. I searched the net for the solution but was not successful. there is one site which mentioned that there is a driver which works with XFree86 4.0.2. How do I find out which version of X is running on my machine. And if its not XFree86 4.0.2 and assuming I download the required module how do I install it and I do I get X to work? thanks in anticipation -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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X not working.....mistake ooops
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hello, I made a mistake in mentioning the version of XFree86. the driver is available for version 4.2. and I have a feeling that the current version of X on my system is not 4.2 thanks again -Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable
by Sudhakar Dayal 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

I would love to get Debian, please tell from "where" could we ge get that. DAYAL >From: q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less >configurable >Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:40:28 +0530 > >At 11:36 morn 10/9/02 +0530, Tahir wrote: > >>Am I missing something? > >Yes. Debian. Join us. The Debian way is the One True Way. > >:-) > >quasi > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Amish Mehta 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Philip S Tellis wrote: > >Are you sure it came from me? There is a worm around that sends mails <snip> >- I have never (in my life) sent a .xls or a .pif file via email To add to that I have never received a .xls or a .pif file from Philip. ;-). Infact from noone in list. But I have one doubt, does mailman scan emails for virus? Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installation Problem - Sun Solaris 8
by q u a s i 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

At 12:13 even 10/10/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, q u a s i wrote: > > > Beg your pardon, but is this a SUG? If not then a [OT] in the subject > would be warranted, > > wouldn't it? > >Umm, the OP is not on this list. He saw the archives on the web and >posted here. Please reply directly to him. His membership status is not my business. I dont keep track of every member on this list. He posted here, so the reply. If he read the archives on the web, do they not contain the private email address of this "Soumen" to whom the email was addressed? q

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Unmounting /
by Nikhil Joshi 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi! ok this is bit stupid but still.. how do I unmount / i've observed that during shutdown / is unmounted ==> I shud also be able to unmount / but when i give: #umount / it gives umount: /: device is busy for obvious reasons. so how does the shutdown manage to umount the / Thx -- Nikhil

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Re: IMP -- RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Amish Mehta 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Well sorry for confusion, actually what I meant was if messages to the list are scanned for virus before being distributed? Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >mailman doesn't. it is a mailing list software. no more, no less. >amavis does.

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[Announce] libyahoo2 v 0.6
by Philip S Tellis 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

libyahoo2 - A C library for the Yahoo! Messenger Protocol. http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ Changes in this release: * Removed glib dependencies. Will use glib only if available * Configure time option --with-struct-callbacks to use a callback struct instead of callback functions (see yahoo2_callbacks.h and the README) * Identities Support - Get identities from server - Activate/Deactivate identities - Use identities when sending messages * Fixed possible buffer overflow in reading key/value pairs * sample console client no longer requires gtk!

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again samba configurations
by PRASHANT PATIL 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi to all, First of all I AM sorry for not to reply you within 3-4 days & also the way of question that I was discussing. Well I am not miss any DNS name I want to connect two commuters. One is configured as domain controller with windows 2000 Active directory with domain name "milkyway.net" { hay there is no space or wrong my server works very well ;-) } with IP add 198.165.10.2 same DNS address "milkyway.net" and second is with mandrake 8.1. Tell me how I will connect two PCs Tell with the simple language with proper instructions with striate method OR Tell me how I will configure Linux as a samba server with peer-to peer model in the simple sets of instructions. I want to thanks satya, Phillip and others but name was DNS name or FPQN is not my problem My problem is that I don't know how to configure this two machines properly. How to's and books are on this topic are too bulky to use. just tell me method as practically you have do it. You are diverted the subject that I am talking forgot about DNS configurations . tell me SAMBA configurations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable
by Tahir Hashmi 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Installation Problem - Sun Solaris 8
by Jim DiZoglio 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Soumen, You had posted a message on the web: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20011001/002530.htm l "I tried installing Sun Solaris 8 on the 2nd HDD... on the beginning of the intallation itself (before scanning for hardware devices), it returned this error : ----------------- Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF --------------" I was wondering you had resolved this? Regards, Jim

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[Announce] HTML.Template.java v 0.1.2
by Philip S Tellis 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

HTML.Template.java is a package that allows you to separate your HTML code from your java code. It is useful for servlet writers. You no longer need to recompile your code everytime you change the design. HTML.Template.java is 100% syntax compatible with HTML::Template.pm http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/ Version 0.1.2 fixes a bug that caused TMPL_VARs inside TMPL_LOOPs to be case sensitive even if case_sensitive is set to false. Philip

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Frederick Noronha 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Thanks to Ashish Kotamkar for sending this in via the Solaris list, run out of Delhi and Europe. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 NEW DELHI: If the Chinese have IT, get it. The Indian government seems to be taking a leaf out of China's operating system, and is planning a countrywide drive to promote the open source operating system, Linux, as the 'platform of choice' instead of 'proprietary' solutions. For proprietory, read Microsoft, which controls over 90% of the desktop software market. The Department of Information Technology has already devised a strategy to introduce Linux and open source software as a de-facto standard in academic institutions, especially in engineering colleges through course work that encourages use of such systems. Research establishments would be advised to use and develop re-distributable toolboxes just as Central government departments and state governments would be asked to use Linux-based offerings. DIT is in talks with leading industry players like IBM and HCL to get a feel of their work in the area and invite proposals for joint projects. "As a first step we are persuading all government institutions to offer courses on Linux and programming for Linux environment. We would also set up Linux Resource Centres in academic institutes (with co-funding from government and industry)," said a senior government official. Though India has made a name for itself selling solutions, software as a product is expensive within the country. And the cost will bite once India starts implementing IPR protection in earnest, as it has committed itself to. While redistribution of proprietary software is restricted through a licence agreement, the licensing terms for Linux grants the right to obtain and redistribute copies. Many analysts believe that China's growing dominance in the IT space is fuelled by its low cost open source bias. The Chinese government has consistently promoted its local software based on Linux, both for cost reasons, and reportedly for 'security' concerns as well. The source code for proprietory software is not revealed, and this, it is believed, has not found favour with the Chinese, especially in defence and security related applications. Microsoft, in what many observers and reports say is an attempt to soften the Chinese government's stand, recently committed to investing $750m in China in three years to help set up a software college and put its money into Chinese education. In comparison, Microsoft has announced investments worth only $75m over a three-year time frame in India. Howver, the Chinese company Redflag Software, which was set up by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the country's most prestigious research institute, has often come out with low-cost software based on Linux, in direct competition to Windows-based software. The Indian government's plan, however, is not driven by security concerns, but by the far more simple arithmetic of costing. To put it simply, India being a developing country needs low cost solutions. Unlike the Microsoft-developed Windows operating system, Linux code is free and downloadable from the internet. With the addition of special applications, it can be personalized to meet specific needs. An industry-government-user-developer conference on the subject would be organised to throw up ideas for specific initiatives including funding, reliable sources told ET. The only issue here is support and services, which Indian government sources feel is not likely to be an issue in a country known for its software support and service skills. Like China, the government is also eyeing the increasingly lucrative global support and services market for the Linux environment may prove lucrative. While proprietary support agreements govern only the systems purchased (with licences), for free software support is independent of the number of copies owned. "With applications in security being a focus area, inputs have been sought from the Defence on their experience with Linux. Indian-language based solutions, e-governance, embedded and high performance cluster solutions are other areas. But firstly we want to concretise the position on IPR issues in the use of Linux," the source said. DIT is planning a three-tier mechanism, with itself as the first, industry, user groups and state governments as the second and a national apex committee headed either by a government representative, an industry expert or an academician to oversee manpower and skill development, applications development and deployment and public policy support, said sources. According to IDC's figures for '00, Microsoft still controlled 94% of the desktop software market and while Linux is expected to overtake the number two � Apple Mac OS � by '03, it would still control less than 4% of the market. In server software, it fares a little better and is expected to control around 30% of the market by '03, according to IDC. Linux, which has established itself in the server space, is an open reliable OS that runs on virtually any platform and was developd by Finnish technologist Linus Torvalds. After developing the initial source code, Linus made it available on the Internet for use, feedback and further development. =============================================== Warm regards, Ashish Kotamkar (ashish(a)mithi.com) solaris--independant forum for IT & development issues un/sub info: solaris-request(a)mail.sarai.net with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. URL: http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/solaris/ archive: http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/solaris/

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X not starting up
by Dr . Sharukh K . R . Pavri . 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Further to my problems as mentioned in my earlier mail wrt kernel paging request, I am suddenly unable to start X windows. I am getting the following errors. ------------------------ <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 09691f73 printing eip: c012bfdc *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[<c012bfdc>] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: c02b015c ebx: c1371fec ecx: 0000000b edx: 09691f73 esi: ccfb7740 edi: ccfb77f8 ebp: 00000000 esp: cb961efc ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Process xauth (pid: 1395, stackpage=cb961000) Stack: c1371fec c012c0ca c1371fec c0126e56 c1371fec 00001000 cf771134 00000001 ----------------------------- These lines are also found in the error messages ---- /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 100: 1475 Segmentation fault xauth add $display /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 103: 1479 Segmentation fault xinit $clientargs -- $serverargs /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 107: 1480 Segmentation fault xauth remove $removelist -------------------------------------------- Please help !!!! I really am desperate :-( thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Keyur K Shroff 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Luggers, Read the following article published in Economic Times. TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 - Keyur

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Re: workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct)
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Kapil, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Kapil Karekar wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > > If you need a helping hand with any thing viz. creating > slides or any paperwork regarding the workshop @ SPCE please > do let me know. Sure, will let u know when required... > I have taken leave from my work place on Saturday so as to > attend the workshop. I hope they allow me in at SPCE :-) :-) That's something called dedication. :-) BTW, which topic you are preparing? Even small talk on the topic you are interested will do. Looking forward to your great talk in the workshop. > Regards, > > Kapil Karekar Thanks for volunteering, With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Harsh, On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Harsh R Busa wrote: > hi willl be interested but tell me what topics are not yet tagged.... i can > do some homework if needed Great, If you can do C/C++, JAVA or any other topic that you may interested in? Please refer my earlier mail for list of topic. Thanks for volunteering, will include you in the list of speakers. :-) > take care > harsh With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+91-22) 6919423

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Re: Registration
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Dear Mr. Mallikarjun Angadi, It's nice to know that you are interested in participating in GNU/Linux seminar (The one @ SPCE on 19-20 Oct.?). However, the seminar is open to only student members of IEEE of SPCE (Saradar Patel College of Engineering). :-( But, after receiving the kind of response and requests to participate, we will soon plan a similar workshop in near future, which is open to all. Sorry to turn you and many more down, but wait for some time and we will give you a workshop for sure. Thanks for your interest in GNU/Linux. With regards, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Mallikarjun Angadi wrote: > Dear Mr. Dinesh, > > I would like to participate in the two day seminar on LINUX alongwith my colleagues Mr. Ganesh > and Ms. Sreeja, both are working as Sys. Administrators. A word of confirmation in this regard is > appriaciated. Registration formalities will be completed once we reach the seminar place. > > Looking forward to your reply > > Mallikarjun Angadi > > Inf. Scientist > > > ***************************************************************** > > MR. MALLIKARJUN ANGADI Ph: 91-22-5563289-96; > INFORMATION SCIENTIST Extn.282(O) > Tata Institute of Social Fax: 91-22-556 2912 > Sciences angdi(a)hotmail.com > P.B.No.8313, angdi(a)rediffmail.com > Sion-Trombay Rd., Deonar > Mumbai - 400 088, INDIA. > **************************************************************** > -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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SMALL GRANTS: Need resources to write Free Software?
by Frederick Noronha 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Sarai/CSDS, a Delhi-based research network that realises the potential of Free/Open Source software, is offering a limited number of small grants (in three categories of under Rs 10,000; Rs 10-30,000; and Rs 30,000-60,000) for those willing to write socially-useful programmes and put these out in the public domain. Ownership of these programs will remain with its writer(s), under the GNU/GLP or similar suitable licence. But the coders will undertake to widely distribute and make available their work to those who desire to use the same, in the interest of promoting Free Software/Open Source in India. Email in your plans and suggestions via email to application(a)sarai.net with a copy to fred(a)bytesforall.org not later than October 31, 2002. Use "FLOSS application" as the subjectline. This should contain the following details: * Outline of project * How this project would be relevant to society's needs * Stage of the project (if work is underway) * Time-frame required for completion * Whether work will be done singly, or if jointly, names of all individuals/groups to be involved * Estimated number of man-hours for completion of this project * Estimated cost with break-up * Any other information you feel relevant. Last date for application is October 31, 2002. Feel free to pass around this note, particularly to students who could use such help productively.

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Multilink PPP
by Sabu Thaliyath 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi all, My ISP has asked me to switch over from ppp to mulitlink ppp...Can anybody tell me how to setup my system so that I can use multilink ppp.... I have got a Zyxel omninet ISDN modem...and I am using wvdial for dialling.. regards, Sabu _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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[hiren.bose@timesgroup.com: hello]
by Nagarjuna G. 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Please respond to Hiren directly, he is not a member of the list. Nagarjuna ----- Forwarded message from hiren <hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com> ----- Envelope-to: nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in From: hiren <hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com> Resent-Date: 06 Oct 2002 17:21:43 +0530 Resent-From: klak(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (Khuzaima A. Lakdawala) Resent-Message-Id: <200210061151.RAA00332(a)home.this-is-not-a-domain.in> Resent-Sender: klak(a)giasbm01.vsnl.net.in Resent-To: nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in Subject: hello To: gnu(a)cc4.tifr.res.in X-AntiVirus: OK! AntiVir MailGate Version 2.0.0.0 at hbcse has not found any known virus in this email. X-From-Line: hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com Sat Aug 31 12:53:11 2002 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 for ulka.timesgroup.com hello, few days back , i met a friend who teaches linux in vasai. that made me think: why not do a article on the popularity of linux. as said, i am doing a piece on linux users of mumbai. would be interested to know which institutiona are using linux and if possible email ids of individual linux users in mumbai. how good is the linux as a desktop appliaction. does the linux users of mumbai meet often, where and since when. anything more u would like to add. hiren.bose(a)timesgroup.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

On Friday 04 October 2002 13:42, Satya wrote: > On Oct 4, 2002 at 12:28, Philip S Tellis wrote: > >Arrey, Video Conference karo na? > > I do have a webcam and microphone. What connection? dialup or leased? If dialup only audio. Using lpc10 compression gives useable audio with a bw of 4kb. rgds jtdesouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

On Thursday 03 October 2002 13:54, Dinesh Shah wrote: > Hi ILUGers, > > Here is the revised agenda with changes proposed by Bala / Vinit of > SPCE. > > All speakers are requested to acknowledge and confirm their > availability. > > Day - 1 (19 Oct.) > 09:00 - Registration > > 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome > Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ? > > 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and > History of Free and Open > Source s/w and GNU/Linux. > Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) > > 11:30 - Installation Of RH / Debian > Speaker: (Mitul Limbani / Parag Mehta ?) > > 13:00 - Lunch Break > > 14:00 - Linux / Unix file system hierarchy, OS principles, diff > from MS-DOS / Win, The X Windowing System, XDM/KDM/GDM, WMs and DMs > Speaker: (Dinesh Shah / Terrence ?) When is the last day for confirming prescence. I might not be in Mumbai on 19th-20th. rgds jtdesouza(a)softhome.net >

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sun supporting linux
by Girish Hanchate 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Hi Kindly go to following site. Now sun has also come up with linux server on intel. http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/?redirect=false&refurl=http://wwws.su… rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Console frontend to wvdial
by Frederick Noronha 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

This msg is from Asterix Baron <b2ornot2b(a)yahoo.com> in Goa. -FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- hi all heres a set of scripts that act as a front end to wvdial ... console based it gives u a bar of traffic on ppp interface ideal for the 'console happy' ;) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/files/inet.zip if u have any probs with these hack them to suit ur taste adieus cheerio b2 p.s. Does anyone have any interesting scripts to share ??? p.s. Is anyone interested in forming an (e)group ... BCLU - Brotherhood of Command Line Users ??? to share the power of the command line

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Not so Random
by Vinayak Hegde 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Hi , The special devices /dev/random and /dev/urandom provide access to the Linux kernel's built-in random number generation facility. Most software functions for generating random numbers, such as the rand function in the standard C library, actually generate pseudorandom numbers. Although these numbers satisfy some properties of random numbers, they are reproducible (for further explanation refer TAOCP - Donald Knuth) If you start with the same seed value, you ll obtain the same sequence of pseudorandom numbers every time. This behavior is inevitable because computers are intrinsically deterministic and predictable. It is sometimes possible to break a cryptographic algorithm if you can obtain the sequence of random numbers that it employs. To obtain better random numbers in computer programs requires an external source of randomness.The Linux kernel harnesses a particularly good source of randomness: you! By measuring the time delay between your input actions, such as keystrokes and mouse movements,and the noise from devices, Linux is capable of generating an unpredictable stream of high-quality random numbers. You can access this stream by reading from /dev/random and /dev/urandom . try od -t x1 /dev/random (Press keys randomly on your keyboard and see the output) od -t x1 /dev/urandom you can get more information using :- man 4 random hope this helps :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:38:25 +0530 Amish Mehta wrote: > You might want to see > perldoc -f srand # PERL random seed documentation. > [snip] > You should be able to write similar code in C. > > Amish. __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Kernel compilation
by flameboy varun 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

How do i recompile the 7.3 kernel when there is no kernel-headers rpm installed and I know it is not available on the CDs as well? Geek by Nature Linux by choice mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

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Re: sendmail problem
by Amish Mehta 06 Oct '02

06 Oct '02

If I remember you should add your local network (for e.g 192.168.1 should be enough) to /etc/mail/relay-domains Amish. acharya(a)dacafe.com wrote: >I have a problem with sendmail. it's working fine. But when the internet >link is down, as dns server is not hosted locally. All mails from >clients are not accepted by the sendmail server. Mails lies in the >outbox of the outlook express. When internet link is up everything is >fine again.

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Repartitioning /home
by Ashok Iyer 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi all, I have a Red Hat Linux 7.3 machine working as a file server with 36GB allocated for /home. I want to make /home 72GB by adding another disk. Can you suggest how this can be accomplished non-destructively as well as destructively. I dont mind moving the existing data out of /home, repartitioning it and then moving the data back. I am using SCSI disks. -- Ashok __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Bugzilla users
by Sanjay Choudhari 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi , Can any one help me, I don't want users to create account on my bugzilla server. How should I restrict people from making users on my Bugzilla server. Thanks, sanajy

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Re: Repartitioning /home
by Amish Mehta 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Sorry just realised that /var, /usr wont give much free space. So this wont work. Amish. >Other option might be to move, /var, /usr partitions to move to new >disk and create more space on old_disk and allocate that space to >/home, but requires partition rearranging. > >Amish. >

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Re: Repartitioning /home
by Amish Mehta 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi, Ashok Iyer wrote: >server with 36GB allocated for /home. I want to make >/home 72GB by adding another disk. If you are adding, 36GB and want to use /home which is partly on 1st disk and partly on 2nd, then may be you should use symlinks. Say 25% user directories in old disk and 75% new disk. (there are other better ways to choose directories to move, this is probably simpler) In single user mode a) Create /new_home directory, mount new hard disk on it.(make it permanent by adding it to /etc/fstab). b) Move 75% directories from /home to /new_home, in /home make symlinks to moved directories c) All new user created will have their directories on old home, so you might have to periodically move few to new_home and create symlinks. But choosing 25-75% scheme will make that period long enough so that you do not have to maintain very frequently. > >Can you suggest how this can be accomplished >non-destructively as well as destructively. I dont >mind moving the existing data out of /home, >repartitioning it and then moving the data back. >I am using SCSI disks. Other option, I am not sure of how to do, is using md(multiple-disk) devices. Where you can combine two partitions in such a way that they act as single parition. Other option might be to move, /var, /usr partitions to move to new disk and create more space on old_disk and allocate that space to /home, but requires partition rearranging. Please do ask if you do not know how to do it. Btw, even I dont know these are just suggestions ;-). Amish.

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Open discussion on Open Type fonts in Mumbai
by Frederick Noronha 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

This is not exclusively related to GNU/Linux, but perhaps we too should start thinking about Indian language solutions in a big way. FN Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Keyur Shroff <keyur_shroff(a)yahoo.com> To: indic-computing-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Cc: indic-computing-users(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Open discussion and Q&A session on OpenType font Hello, I have discussed and finalized the date and time for open discusion with Ms. Apurva Joshi. Interested people are invited for the discussion and Q&A session. Date : Tuesday, October 8, 2002 Time : 3:00 PM Venue : Lecture Theatre, NCST NCST's address: National Centre for Software Technology Opp. to Juhu Supreme Shopping Centre, Gulmohar Cross Road No. 9, Near JVPD Scheme, Juhu, Andheri(W), Mumbai - 400 049 Tel: 6201606 Ext: 323 PS : I insisted her to give seminar and asked her whether NCST can make resources available to her. But she wants to refer some papers @ microsoft which is not possible now. Anyway, I hope you all will enjoy this discussion.

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Re: Repartitioning /home
by Amish Mehta 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi, Ashok Iyer wrote: >server with 36GB allocated for /home. I want to make >/home 72GB by adding another disk. If you are adding, 36GB and want to use /home which is partly on 1st disk and partly on 2nd, then may be you should use symlinks. Say 25% user directories in old disk and 75% new disk. (there are other better ways to choose directories to move, this is probably simpler) In single user mode a) Create /new_home directory, mount new hard disk on it.(make it permanent by adding it to /etc/fstab). b) Move 75% directories from /home to /new_home, in /home make symlinks to moved directories c) All new user created will have their directories on old home, so you might have to periodically move few to new_home and create symlinks. But choosing 25-75% scheme will make that period long enough so that you do not have to maintain very frequently. > >Can you suggest how this can be accomplished >non-destructively as well as destructively. I dont >mind moving the existing data out of /home, >repartitioning it and then moving the data back. >I am using SCSI disks. Other option, I am not sure of how to do, is using md(multiple-disk) devices. Where you can combine two partitions in such a way that they act as single parition. Other option might be to move, /var, /usr partitions to move to new disk and create more space on old_disk and allocate that space to /home, but requires partition rearranging. Please do ask if you do not know how to do it. Btw, even I dont know these are just suggestions ;-). Amish.

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RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Sankha Subhra Som 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

[8-< snip] If I needed to use a PRNG for AES key (128 bits) and i called rand() 4 times, I still have a entropy of only 32 bits instead of 128 bits. [8-< snip] Hi Sailesh, I dont use RNG's for cryptographic applications, i have used them for biomolecular simulations. Use of RNG's in cryptography is a very well established mathematics so i dont think you will have problems getting ur answer.Sorry cant answer ur question :(. But i kno of some people who may help u out. give me some time ok! Chao Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** The world is populated in the main by people who should not exist.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] sendmail problem
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

> I have a problem with sendmail. it's working fine. But when > the internet > link is down, as dns server is not hosted locally. All mails from > clients are not accepted by the sendmail server. Mails lies in the > outbox of the outlook express. When internet link is up everything is > fine again. I don't see any panga due to the DNS server here. Assume that the DNS server is hosted locally, then what ? If the link is down, anyways, it will not be able to query, and hence not be able to resolve the hostnames. Those names will be possibly resolved, which are cached by your DNS server. > I want that when internet link is down mails should be > accecpted by the > sendmail server, and keep it in the queue and send when link is up. Why not ? Sendmail does that. If your mailserver is sendmail, it will accept the mails and then spool them locally, till the link is up. If you have sendmail server locally, which is the only server for your domain, then possibly you have a problem, as mails won't come in when the link is down. > Can anyone suggest what i should i do. so the sendmail will accepcts > mails at all point. This seems to me as a config issue at either Outlook's side. Check your local sendmail settings. --amar -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. You are the sum total of the choices you make.

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sendmail problem
by acharya＠dacafe.com 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi everyone I have a problem with sendmail. it's working fine. But when the internet link is down, as dns server is not hosted locally. All mails from clients are not accepted by the sendmail server. Mails lies in the outbox of the outlook express. When internet link is up everything is fine again. I want that when internet link is down mails should be accecpted by the sendmail server, and keep it in the queue and send when link is up. Can anyone suggest what i should i do. so the sendmail will accepcts mails at all point. priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________

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C++ Builder CLX
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

What is C++ Builder CLX ? Any ideas... Cheers, Kapil

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Overflows
by q u a s i 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

ummm... People, as a separate discussion here is an idea [probably extremely lame]. There should be an allocation ramdomizer. Meaning say, if you require 100 bytes, then the randomizer should malloc memory from say 100-120 bytes at random during runtime. Now you may ask, why O why? Well when the [fixed] memory is allocated on the stack, peeps use it to overflow the buffer & corrupt return address of calling function - "Classic buffer overflow" as some like to call it. But if we have a variable allocated space the same overflowers will not have such an easy calculation - having a choice of 20 spots for the return address [in this eg]. Ofcourse it would be better to just check for input overshooting the buffers. But it was an idea anyway...! '-) quasi

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Buggy C prog
by Nikhil Joshi 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Hi! I've tried this simple prog to encrypt a file using XOR But it gives "Segmentation Fault " in 'interactive' mode (pls see the source code) it runs perfectly well in DOS (using Turbo C++ 3.0) Can ny1 help pls ? -- Nikhil Joshi

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Auto-logout problem
by Raju Bathija 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

In RH 7.3, which I use on my computer, I get logs out automatically sometimes. I mean I get the login screen after few hours of inactivity. I use KDE. Does anyone know how this ((automatically logging out) could be stopped? Thanks. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raju Bathija | bathija(a)tifr.res.in | http://theory.tifr.res.in/~bathija -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery. -- Jack Paar

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Re: Workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct. 2002)
by Dinesh Shah 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Hi Kapil, On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Kapil Karekar wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > > My name is Kapil Karekar. I am really interested > in attending the seminars at SPCE especially the > one on "Programming and Development in GNU/Linux" > at 14:30 on 20th October. Nice to know you... It's good that you are interested in the above topic. > Since I'm not a student of SPCE will I be able to > attend the seminars? Well I will have to speak to organizers, as I have received many queries in that regard. Will post it on list ASAP. >I am not a good speaker > otherwise I would have taken up PHP/MySQL/OCR as a > topic to speak. Though I would be equally happy > to prepare/handle slides and run errands for you > guys. Just being with you guys and doing my bit > would enable me to learn a lot of things. AFA your oratory skills are concerned, don't worry about that. ALA you are willing to take up and good in the subject, we are here to help you refine your oratory skills :-) > Please let me know if I can do anything. Sure there are so many things need to be done, having one more pair of hands a willing soul always helps. So watch this list, I will call on you ASA required :-) > Eagerly awaiting your reply, > > Regards, > > Kapil Karekar > Omkar e-nnovative software solutions > kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net > Tel: (+91-022) 801 2861 (O) > (+91-022) 867 7305 (R) Thanks for writing and offering to assist. This is what makes GNU/Linux and Free / Open Source movement tick. With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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RE:[ILUG-BOM] Not so Random
by Sankha Subhra Som 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Nikhil, the term RNG is actually a misnormer the numbers that a RNG generates are actually pseudo random numbers, meaning they are reproducible and the generating function is known(hence they can be reproduced). Most of the RNG's we know of are LCG's(Linear Congruential Generators) They work on a simple recurrence relation r(i+1) = (A * r(i) ) MOD m MOD is the modulus operator. In ur case Considering that r(i), A and m are constant r(i+1) will also be the same each time u execute the program. A clever workaround will be calling srand() with the seed as the current system time. The ideal generators are those that have a period equal to 'm'. The period is the longest possible non-overlapping sequence of numbers generated by a LCG. the greater the period the more desirable is the generator(but the sequence of numbers generated is also important). The 'seed' is nothing but r(0) ie the first r on the RHS of the recurrence relation. The C library RNG is not that good in the sense that it has failed many theoretical and empirical tests. there are a lot of RNG'S that are much better than this generator and have whopping periods.They also provide the user with the ability to generate disjoint substreams of numbers using the same generator. Random number generation is a tricky process and needs a lot of mathematical intuition. And finally if you are looking for truly random numbers try weather data from internet weather stations.These are truly random. For a more thorough understanding read Knuth:Art of computer programming. Enjoy!! Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** The world is populated in the main by people who should not exist.

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[ot]krishnan
by q u a s i 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

(if (Krishnan is reading) ([1]) ([2])) [1] could I please borrow your emacs manual for photocopying?) [2] could anyone give me Krishnan's email id? thanks, quasi

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What do Luggers think about the Kernel naming system?
by Bhargav Bhatt 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

I am sure most Luggerz have read the URL posted below. It refers to the Slashdot story on the naming of Linux Kernel. http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/N339.slashdot.org/B1044957.3;sz=468x60;ord=10… Apparently, there is lack of consensus in the core Kernel developing team as to what the new kernel should be called. While some want to call it 3.0 as they believe that calling it 2.5 would do injustice to all the work put into it, the other believe that it should be called 2.5 as it represents only increase in performance and not changes in any of the sub systems. Linus, as usual, is pretty neutral. I for one believe that calling it 2.5 or 3.0 should not make any difference to people who are already using Linux since some time. However, calling it 3.0 would earn Linux some marketing advantages and improve it in the eyes of the IT honchos wo, at first sight, might believe, its a lot more *stable* and advanced than the 2.4 Kernel. I think it would be interesting to discuss this here and get your views on this? -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University.

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Just to Inform
by JAVA COMPUTERS 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Hello There, We pleased to inform you that we are the Authorised Channel Partners for The Red Hat Range of Products. Thanking you Rajkumar

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kdevelop makefiles
by Abhijeet 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Hi I have used kdevelop for sometime. But I havent figured our the Makefiles part Even for a small program like "Hello World" It makes a Makefile of some 100 lines. Can someone having expertise on Kdevelop please explain me why does it require so long makefiles and what all things really go inside that makefile. How is it beneficial to my hand edited makefile. I tried figuring it out. But it was way too cryptic. I find it much better to hand edit my own Makefile. regards Abhijeet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Hi Sachin, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Sachin wrote: > hi dinesh > i am sachin rase , just another linux guy > this in responce to Call for Speakers > what depth of knowlege u required for the speaker > in > > > > Python, Shell... > > > Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna - Python, Philip Tellis - Perl, Sameer - > > > C/C++, R. Jaju - JAVA/GUI, Krishnan - C/C++,Mr.Tapeshwar - > > > GTK/QT, Mitul Limbani PHP,Dinesh Shah - Shell ... ?) > > > and who are the intended audence? Student are from Electrical, Michanical, IT, CS and other branches of enginnering. > i can handle PHP and and Tcl /Tk to basic to intermidiate level > and i am availabe on sunday 20 oct Though, according to organisers, students will be more interested in C/C++ and JAVA programming, they definitely like to have knowledge of GUI and Web programming. > if i can help u then reply me So you are on... and looking forward to have you on 20th... > regards > sachin Thx for writing and offering to help. It is highly appreciated. With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct. 2002) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi Nagarjuna, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and History of Free and Open > > Source s/w and GNU/Linux. > > Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) > > I cant come on both days, so let me know. If you confirm I will mark > 19th morning. I would prefer the topic to be "Why Free Software?' Thx... I can understand. The reason behind those ? marks were to give speakers the flexibility. Thanks again for confirming your availability on 19th. Sincerely wishing more people to come forward as speaker. So guys don't wait till the last moment and confirm your availability with your topic of interest. TIA for your kind co-operation. > Nagarjuna With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Re: Not so Random
by Amish Mehta 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

You might want to see perldoc -f srand # PERL random seed documentation. srand EXPR srand Sets the random number seed for the "rand" opera- tor. If EXPR is omitted, uses a semi-random value supplied by the kernel (if it supports the /dev/urandom device) or based on the current time and process ID, among other things. In versions of Perl prior to 5.004 the default seed was just the current "time". This isn't a particularly good seed, so many old programs supply their own seed value (often "time ^ $$" or "time ^ ($$ + ($$ << 15))"), but that isn't necessary any more. In fact, it's usually not necessary to call "srand" at all, because if it is not called explicitly, it is called implicitly at the first use of the "rand" operator. However, this was not the case in version of Perl before 5.004, so if your script will run under older Perl versions, it should call "srand". Note that you need something much more random than the default seed for cryptographic purposes. Checksumming the compressed output of one or more rapidly changing operating system status programs is the usual method. For example: srand (time ^ $$ ^ unpack "%L*", `ps axww | gzip`); <snip> etc. You should be able to write similar code in C. Amish. Shailesh wrote: >Good point. >Caveat: But based on philips advice two pieces of code.

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Classic error
by Satya 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

h=hid; while(h!=NULL) { if(memcmp(b,h->msgid,16)==0) { memcpy(c,h->id,8); } } Spot it. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.

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Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct. 2002) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi All, This is tentative agenda for the upcoming GNU/Linux Seminar in SPCE, Andheri. Today I held a meeting with Bala and Vinay for SPCE Workshop (Organizers of workshop) @ my office. They were to confirm the agenda by today... We also discussed the logistics involved. I have marked speakers for various topics. I would like the confirmation from the respective speaker ASAP with their availability. However, there is slight chance of change in schedule. Please confirm your availability so as to enable us to finalize the schedule. Also new speakers are invited for the topics listed bellow. TIA for your support and help. Day - 1 (19 Oct.) 09:00 - Registration 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ?) 10:00 - Introduction, Ideology, philosophy and History of Free and Open Source s/w and GNU/Linux. Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna ?) 12:00 - Installation Of RH / Debian Speaker: (Mitul Limbani / Parag Mehta ?) 13:30 - Lunch Break 14:30 - Linux / Unix file system hierarchy, OS principles, diff from MS-DOS / Win Speaker: (Dinesh Shah / Terrence ?) 16:30 - Tea Break 16:45 - TCP/IP and Networking basics Speaker: (Trevor Warren ?) 18:00 - Q&A Free wheeling 19:00 - Winding up the day. Day - 2 (20 Oct.) 09:45 - Introductions and Welcome Speaker: (Bala Subramanium / Faculty member ?) 10:00 - Basic System Administration, troubleshooting and asking for help. Netiquette and LUGiquette. Speaker: (Philip Tellis ?) 12:00 - Introduction to PRC and Network / System Security Concepts Speaker: (Trevor Warren / Shankar Ramchandran ?) 13:30 - Lunch Break 14:30 - Programming and Development in GNU/Linux, C, C++, JAVA, Perl, PHP, Python, Shell... Speaker: (Dr. Nagarjuna - Python, Philip Tellis - Perl, Sameer - C/C++, R. Jaju - JAVA/GUI, Krishnan - C/C++, Mr. Tapeshwar - GTK/QT, Mitul Limbani - PHP, Dinesh Shah - Shell ... ?) 17:00 - Applications and extensions like embedded systems, open hardware Speaker: (Terrence / Parag Mehta / Dinesh Shah ?) 18:30 - Q & A Free Wheeling. 19:00 - Concluding the seminar with invitation to participate in ILUG, PRC. -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Tel: (+91-22) 6747120 / 6730708 / 6730709 Fax: (+91-22) 6926233 Mobile: 098213-11906

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Not so Random
by Nikhil Joshi 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi! i've taken this code straight from man rand it is supposed to generate random number between 1 and 10 j=1+(int) (10.0*rand()/(RAND_MAX+1.0)); now when I print j it *always* gives 9 i don't think this is random i guess it has something to do with seed (what is it anywayz ?) when i call srand with different seed value it gives some other integer, but again it *always* gives that integer only.. thx -- Nikhil Joshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot]sorry 'bout the multiple mails
by q u a s i 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

At 11:27 morn 10/2/02 +0530, NJ wrote: >i guess u shud use sendmail instead. it iz damn cool... ummm... I dont know how to use sendmail. Could you please explain it to me? Eudora for mail but currently migrating to Gnus 5.9.0. quasi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct. 2002) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi Nikhil, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Nikhil Kale wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > Is this seminar open for anyone to attend? I would > like to come and listen. I am quite comfortable with > Linux, but not on the system and administration side. > Leet me know, > Nikhil Kale. The seminar is organised by IEEE chapter of SPCE. I will ask the organisers if others can attend the same. I think as long as number of ppl from outside are limited they wouldn't mind. So i think you most welcome to attend the same. :-) BTW, why not come as presenter, since you are confy with Linux. Take a pick of the topic you are most conversent with. This will be, like having best of both worlds. :-) What say? > ===== > Nikhil Kale > Software Engineer > Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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[ot]sorry 'bout the multiple mails
by q u a s i 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

vsnl asses !! their smtp is acting up more n more lately sorry...

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DNS question
by Rahul Saxena 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Hi there, I am using redhat 7.2 with a dialup connection. my resolv.conf looks like this... when i set it. nameserver 202.54.1.30 nameserver 202.54.1.18 search . however sometime after getting connected the addresses of the name serververs change to nameserver 203.197.12.30 nameserver 202.54.1.72 search . why is this .. arnt the original servers working ? and i have a problem with some websites while connected to VSNL generall in the past few days ! also what does the "." mean , the one after search ? Thanks -regards rahul

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Dual Processor
by Linux Group 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Hello Everybody, Can anyone tell me if there is any additoinal configuration has to be made for a Dual Processor M/C( Intel). Or while installing Linux 7.3 it will automatiocally take care of dual processor?? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Give your Company an email address like ravi @ ravi-exports.com. Sign up for Rediffmail Pro today! Know more. http://www.rediffmailpro.com/signup/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Buggy C prog
by q u a s i 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

At 10:23 morn 10/1/02 +0530, PT wrote: >think buffer overflow. ^^^^^ Alas, cannot do that. No native hardware support. '-)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [blug-tech] Regarding Squid ACL's (fwd)
by SABU THALIYATH 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Hi Vasudeva, It is possible to do what you have mentioned in the mail.... Following is the configuration that is working in my system.... 1. Make a file (eg: /tmp/allowedsites) that contain urls of allowed sites. 2. Make a file eg: /tmp/allowedmachs that contain ips of allowed machines 3. edit squid.conf as follows:-- acl allowedmachs src "/tmp/allowedmachs" acl allowedsites url_regex "/tmp/allowedsites" http_access allow allowedmachs allowedsites http_access deny all See to it that you put these lines in the ACCESS CONTROLS section in squid.conf... It seems in your system it didnt work because you didnt mention the last line "http_access deny all"....Squid by default allows all.... The above lines will be interpreted as "allow access to selected sites by selected machines and deny others"... regards, Sabu >From: "K.Vasudeva" <vasu(a)ncbs.res.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [blug-tech] Regarding Squid ACL's (fwd) >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:21:40 +0530 (IST) > > >Dear all, > > Is there any possibilty of providing some set of url access to >some set of machines using acl's.I tried creating a file for allowed >machines and allowed sites and gave http_access allow allowedmachines >allowedsites but it's not working and i can access all the sites which are >not in allowedsites list. > >i made entries in squid.conf > >acl allowed-machines src path to the machine ip's file >acl allowed-sites url_regex > >http_access allow allowed-machines allowed-sites. > > >thanks in advance > >-- >K.Vasudeva >National Centre For Biological Sciences >Tata Institute of Fundamental Research >UAS_GKVK Campus >Bellary Road >Bangalore - 560 065 >Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 >Fax : 080-3636662 >Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in > vasu_k(a)vsnl.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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how i can get rid of embedded HTML from my mail
by Sankha Subhra Som 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

can someone tell me how i can get rid of embedded HTML from my mail? My mail client is Kmail. I was toying around with filters in Kmail with the purpose of forwarding new mail to my cell (i applied a filter 'head -40' preserves the Subject and the first few lines). but this approach didnt work for messages with embedded html because i couldnt get nething useful in the Body. ne suggestions will be helpful Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** He who has never hoped can never despair.

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whats obfuscation....VICTORY indeed
by Gurpreet Singh 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

>congratulations and all that. > >But, IMHO, you /should/ have mentioned about the contest when you >asked the >question here. [SNIP] i did brother... check the first mail when i asked u guys abt obfuscation. i did tell u abt the contest in that mail. > >If you have first asked about obfuscation due to curiosity (or >whatever), >learned more about the whole thing & /then/ decided to take part >in the >contest, it sure is an achievement to celebrate. But otherwise >/I/ would >think it was slightly unfair... not that it matters what I >think. [SNIP] i hadnt heard of obfuscation before i heard of the comptt. now how do i get curiosity in something i never heard of. plus if u are thinking that i picked up some code directly from the mailing list and reproduced it there, u r wrong. the code came up on the list a day after the contest. if i had done that i wud have got the 1st prize , as the guy who did get the 1st prize did very similar things to those that were dicussed on the mail. what i did was somethiong diff.... i #defined & re #defined functions like scanf, printf, for , while etc etc as coke, pepsi, chicken, paneer etc etc.and to do a simple things like printing a msg ,i jumped 4 functions and did that. my code was supposed to take a string from a user and print it char by char. i had 100 lines of code for such a simple thing. hope matters are cleared now and HOPE U R CONVINCED THAT EVERY THING WAS /FAIR/... gurpreet

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RH 7.3 CDs
by Abhijeet 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

HI Folks If you need a copy of RedHat Linux 7.3 (3 cd set) please contact me. I have burned an extra copy and I want to sell it off. Price: Rs 36/- for the full set. regards Abhijeet Tel: 91 - 22 - 6155144

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help required urgently
by Unmesh Dhake 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

Halo I am once again sending this once again. I need help urgently. I am having RH7.2 installed on machine. On this machine samba is also configured for windows connectivity. >From this machine i need to access folders on unix machine. For this i added two lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local umount /n_exp_ob umount /n_imp_ob smbmount //raman/exp_ob /n_exp_ob smbmount //raman/imp_ob /n_imp_ob Here raman is unix machine name. n_exp_ob & n_imp_ob are linux machine folders where unix machine folders mounted. exp_ob and imp_ob are unix machine folders. Folders are getting mounted correctly, but after some time I am getting following messages on screen continuously and machine stop working. smb_proc_readdir_long: name=\*, result=-2, rcls=1, err=2 Anybody know solution for this. Regards Unmesh

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[blug-tech] Regarding Squid ACL's (fwd)
by K.Vasudeva 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

Dear all, Is there any possibilty of providing some set of url access to some set of machines using acl's.I tried creating a file for allowed machines and allowed sites and gave http_access allow allowedmachines allowedsites but it's not working and i can access all the sites which are not in allowedsites list. i made entries in squid.conf acl allowed-machines src path to the machine ip's file acl allowed-sites url_regex http_access allow allowed-machines allowed-sites. thanks in advance -- K.Vasudeva National Centre For Biological Sciences Tata Institute of Fundamental Research UAS_GKVK Campus Bellary Road Bangalore - 560 065 Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 Fax : 080-3636662 Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in vasu_k(a)vsnl.net

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Re: Buggy C prog
by Amish Mehta 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

Kunal Gangakhedkar wrote: > In this case, what you need to do is advance the arg pointer. > Something like > > for( i =0 ; i < 4; i++) > { > if((*(arg + i) = (char *)malloc(n * sizeof(char))) == NULL) LHS should be *(arg + i * sizeof(char *)) As pointers(arg is pointer to pointer) are NOT 1 byte long. Size depends on system. Generally 4 byte. Amish.

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ymessenger
by upendra gandhi 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

may i know luggerz where r the ymessenger images stored in linux dont tell me MesSeNger/images... i couldn't find where is that ===== upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Samba configuration
by PRASHANT PATIL 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

I have very little experience about linux networking. I want to connect two commuters. One is configuerd as domain controller with windows 2000 Active directory with domain name milky way IP add 198.165.10.2 same DNS address and second is with mandrake 8.1. Tell me how I will conect two PCs Tell with the simple langauge with proper instructions with staiate method OR Tell me how I will configur linux as a samba server with peer-to peer madel in the simple sets of instructions.

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problem with smbmount
by Unmesh Dhake 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

Halo, I am having RH7.2 installed on machine. On this machine samba is also configured for windows connectivity. >From this machine i need to access folders on unix machine. For this i added two lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local umount /n_exp_ob umount /n_imp_ob smbmount //raman/exp_ob /n_exp_ob smbmount //raman/imp_ob /n_imp_ob Here raman is unix machine name. n_exp_ob & n_imp_ob are linux machine folders where unix machine folders mounted. exp_ob and imp_ob are unix machine folders. Folders are getting mounted correctly, but after some time I am getting following messages on screen continuously and machine stop working. smb_proc_readdir_long: name=\*, result=-2, rcls=1, err=2 Anybody know solution for this. Regards Unmesh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Microsoft vs. Government of Peru
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

Further to my previous note on Microsoft's DotNet running on linux, This is an article which appeared in PCQuest website. It gives details of how to run C# and .Net on Linux. http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/handson/102082102.asp Regards Saswata ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Microsoft vs. Government of Peru > I was at microsoft tech ed yesterday > > I saw the microsoft response to the problem. > They have already come out with a version of Microsoft DotNet which is > desinged to work on FreeDBS (as a first step) and later on other linux / > unix OS. They are giving the codes free, with a license that allows use for > non-commercial applications. This will allow software developed for > Microsoft DotNet platform (win xp, etc) to "RUN FROM" linux based servers. > It already mostly supports access from non-microsoft OS. > > The thing is called ROTOT and is in beta, so I expect they will add more > features to it later. I think this way they are going to tell govts. like > peru that they are also in open source, they are not proprietory (they spent > an hour drilling THAT into our heads) and give a larger user platform to vb > developers. > > Apparently, there are already 2 open source (non-microsoft) initiatives that > have ported dotnet framework to linux in Europe. The MS guys were trouting > these as evidence of their "potentially cross-platform capabilities" > > Regards > Saswata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ram Baji Rao" <ramrao(a)bajirao.com> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:46 AM > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Microsoft vs. Government of Peru > > > > Edgar Villanueva, a legislator from Peru, has put a proposal for Peru > > government agencies to standardize on Free Software for their own > > internal use. > > > > This proposal worries Microsoft! > > > > Some government bodies around the world, e.g. in California and Peru, > > have adopted an aggressive attitude towards restricting the use of > > proprietary(read Microsoft) software and favouring open source. > > > > Open source appeals to government bodies because of its high > > functionality, very low cost and easy compliance with licensing laws. > > > > Of course, Microsoft will try to persuade governments to avoid open > > source software. They realize that , when governments choose Microsoft > > as their foundation they are likely to select the whole suite of > > products to go with it rather than fight incompatibilities. > > > > In July 2002 the UK Government also announced a new policy on the use of > > open source software which favors a pragmatic approach. > > > > Back to the Peru case: Villanueva's point is that: Everybody has to deal > > with the government. If a government uses Microsoft software, its > > citizens will probably have to use the same software to communicate with > > it. A government web site that only supports Microsoft Internet Explorer > > would lock citizens into that Microsoft product. In contrast, government > > sites using open standards and avoiding patented software would allow > > citizens to choose between many different kinds of software to access > > the site. > > > > Free Software, also called Open Source, is itself a kind of open > > standard - its source code is its own reference. Developers of > > proprietary software can use that reference to create interoperating > > programs, without infringing on the actual Open Source code. Thus, when > > a government uses Open Source, it assures its citizens a choice to > > purchase both proprietary and Open Source software for communicating > > with their government. The people's choice will be based on factors like > > functionality, quality, and convenience, rather than on customer > > lock-in. > > > > Read more about this interesting happening at > > www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26616.html > > > > Also see: > > www.SincereChoice.com > > > > Ram > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > >

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Resizing /
by Nikhil Joshi 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

Hi! I'm planning to install Dos for using MASM (for real mode assembly) but i don't hav ny Dos partitions. I only hav /boot swap nd / like this : ============================================================ Disk /dev/hdc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 526 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 6 48163+ 83 Linux -> /boot /dev/hdc2 7 526 4176900 5 Extended /dev/hdc5 7 15 72261 82 Linux swap /dev/hdc6 16 526 4104576 83 Linux -> / ============================================================== i wud like to resize / to make room for Dos. is this possible? theres a tool called resize2fs , but havent used it i guess u gotta b really careful with tools like this ... Can ny1 guide pls? -- Nikhil

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Fwd: Guidance required
by Tahir Hashmi 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

----- Forwarded message from Atit Narhariprasad Pathak <pathakatit(a)rediffmail.com> ----- Date: 28 Sep 2002 10:54:17 -0000 From: Atit Narhariprasad Pathak <pathakatit(a)rediffmail.com> Reply-To: Atit Narhariprasad Pathak <pathakatit(a)rediffmail.com> Subject: Gudance required To: tahir(a)ncst.ernet.in [snip] My name is Atit Pathak, I B.Sc. graduate.I am working in management institute as Lab. Asst. of Computer Center. I have knowledge of Installation of software, Maintaining LAN Netwok, NT Admin.I learn everything here without doing any courses. Now i want to learn Linux and get a good job on same. Please guide me for what should i do? As now i am learning linux by book. Pls. give reply and guide me. Thanking you, Atit Pathak ----- End forwarded message ----- This person is not on the mailing list. Those who reply, please cc to the poster also. Thanks -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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japh (whats obfuscation)
by Satya 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

In perl, we have japhs. Here are two examples: @a=split(q,,,qq,hgNbueCe nxe\nWf agr ryUpr\,,);for($i=015;;){if($i>=@a ){last};$_=$a[$i++].$a[$i-0xe];y;[A-Ma-mN-Zn-z];[N-Zn-zA-Ma-m];;print} @q=split(q??,qq?,JAPH \nacehklnorstubsqrfcnorkjpfdjpmfehi\ ljpag?);$i=0x13;while($i<=@q){print$q[ord($q[$i++])-0141]} Equivalent to: print"JustAnotherPerlHacker,\n"; Now Philip will tell me the ',' should not be there. This one's from ASR, I forget whose sig it was in: $q=q($@@@#$$@#$$$#@%$@#@$#@@@#@#$$$$#$#$@$%$@@$#$#$@$#$@$$%$$$$#$@#@$@$#@$@#$# $@$);@c=split//,'0etianmsurwdkgohvf0l0Pjbxcyzq';$f=1;$s=0;for$c(split//,$q){if ($c ne'$'&&$c ne"@"){print $f?uc($c[$s]):$c[$s]if$c[$s];$s=$f=0;}else{$s*=2;$s ++;$s++if$c eq'@';}print" "if$c eq'%';}print "$c[$s],\n";#probably too general and Dave Brown posted this one in the same froup: print "xx/yy? ";$_=<>;m,([0-9]+)\s*/\s*([0-9]+),;$j=$1;$b=$2; $d=eval;$f=$d-int $d;$t=$f*$b;print int $d,$t&&" $t/$b","\n"; It's supposed to be some kind of math tutor. Now that I read it carefully, I think I see what he's doing. He said: =item Someone commented that even though Perl actually compiled and ran that, I had obviously just fallen asleep on the keyboard and that's what came out. =cut -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Buggy C prog
by Mandar Khanolkar 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

Allocate memory for arg[] before gets(). Use malloc(). Mandar On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : >Hi! > >I've tried this simple prog to encrypt a file using XOR > >But it gives "Segmentation Fault " in 'interactive' mode (pls see >the >source code) > >it runs perfectly well in DOS (using Turbo C++ 3.0) > >Can ny1 help pls ? > >-- >Nikhil Joshi >

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[OT] Re: [snip]
by Amish Mehta 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

dat waz pun full mo(o)n. Amish. q u a s i wrote: >Yo! >Hey Trevor mon, yer "[snip]" scissors does no nothin mon!!! It jus

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Whats obfuscation....Victory ;)
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

hi luggerz i asked u all abt obfuscation, u guyz responded well. i got a few ideas and did my best in the competetion and.... I WON THE SECOND PRIZE for the debugging and obfuscation contest. the feeling was gr8, 2 dyas before u dont know what obfuscation is and after 2 dyas u stand 2nd in an obfucation contest. wud like to thank u all for that ;) gurpreet

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contact between various LUGs
by Gurpreet Singh 28 Sep '02

28 Sep '02

hi i was in goa engg coll lately for a competetion and got to meet a few ppl.what i observed was that, the popularity of linux and the desire among the students to be thorow with linux was clearly evident. i spoke to students from goa and a few from belgam. these guyz do have their local lugs and do what ever bit they can. after talking to then it struck me that why no have some communication between the lugs. what i propose is that, since a lot is going on the lugs on the mailing list and these things are really useful, why not share the popular topics every week on each lug with the other lugs. what we can do is (manually/ or automatedly) select 5 most popular topics on the mailing list, pile up all the discussion on those topics in 1 mail and mail them to every lug so that we can have thier comments too... we may also share the "off the mailing list" activities of each lug. for further discussion on this i have invited a few students from goa lug and belgam lug to attend the workshop @ our college. just an idea.... plz comment gurpreet

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problem with smbmount
by Unmesh Dhake 28 Sep '02

28 Sep '02

Halo, I am having RH7.2 installed on machine. On this machine samba is also configured for windows connectivity. From this machine i need to access folders on unix machine. For this i added two lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local umount /n_exp_ob umount /n_imp_ob smbmount //raman/exp_ob /n_exp_ob smbmount //raman/imp_ob /n_imp_ob Here raman is unix machine name. n_exp_ob & n_imp_ob are linux machine folders where unix machine folders mounted. exp_ob and imp_ob are unix machine folders. Folders are getting mounted correctly, but after some time I am getting following messages on screen continuously and machine stop working. smb_proc_readdir_long: name=\*, result=-2, rcls=1, err=2 Anybody know solution for this. Regards Unmesh

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Re: Buggy C prog
by Amish Mehta 28 Sep '02

28 Sep '02

Hi, You got divine hands :-). Though it worked, you should still allocate memory to arg itself for holding array of pointers. Something like arg = (char **) malloc(sizeof(char *) * 6); arg[5] = NULL; Amish. Nikhil Joshi wrote: > >Hi! >success afterall ... >I used following to allocate memory to arg > >for (i=1;i<4;i++) > if ((arg[i] = (char *) malloc (30)) == NULL)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by quasar＠vsnl.net 28 Sep '02

28 Sep '02

pankaj(a)ncst.ernet.in wrote >Try this on windows (it's a java program. U can write it in C and >compile with VC it will give same result) :) I dont need to, I believe you about what it does. This reminds me, there was once a feller who got down *the* "yugandhar" with a simplistic email client he was writing... remember that occasion? I dont think there is any system which is 100% secure. But I confess, I should have been a little more specific in saying that win2K is the most stable from the M$ stable. :D umm... May be I should keep a copy of the program as NCST seems to be partial to win2K which they have on most of their machines... cheers, quasi p.s. howz life sir? will you be there for the ACM meet tomorrow 1830hrs?

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Re: [OT] http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in
by Amish Mehta 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

I dont think any standard would say to have 'page not found'(no page) as first page. My suggestion would be to have list of mailings lists on front page, because I wanted to change my preferences of list, and to find link to change it, I had go to my trash and open one of the emails after finding 'page not found' on mm.ilug-bom.org.in. I dont have good memory to remember long link. :-) Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >that's standard with mailman AFAIK. It can't redirect to any specific >mailing list, because there are multiple mailing lists on the server.

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Re: Fost.com digest, Vol 1 #94 - 1 msg
by Dinesh Shah 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

> --- Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Dinesh Shah wrote: > > > > > Would love to... But both are working days. Can it be > > in the evening after 6pm? > > > Or I may have to do some juggling for my schedule. ;-) > > > > 12th and 13th October are Saturday and Sunday. Sorry, Wrong calander :-) I am in... Let me know the schedule, venue and topics... Also one more Seminar is finalized for SPCE, Andheri. I have spoken to Mr. Balasubramaniam. The dates for SPCE is 18-19 Oct. (Sat-Sun). I need speakers for this event as well. Pls come forward with the topic(s) you are interested in speaking about. Looking forward to favourable response. With warm regards, --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile : +919821311906 -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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Re: Buggy C prog
by Amish Mehta 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

Philip S Tellis wrote: >No he shouldn't. When he does char *arg[4]; That's when memory is Sorry, I was under impression he used arg array as from main(int argc, char **arg) directly. I noticed it now that he has defined arg separately. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

On Wednesday 25 September 2002 05:41, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > Hello Luggers! > I will play the Devil's Advocate here. snip > P.S: i dont think that the GPL can be used at M$ is too smart > at code obfuscation(i think it means obscuring source code) for > people to be able to disassemble their OS and claim it to be a > rip-off of linux. Firstly no need for all the hassle of cloning linux use freebsd. It's license is unencumbered. Infact this is where they got their TCP/IP code from. A compiler is smart enough to de obfusicate code and will finally generate machine code very close to the original, which will be very difficult for M$ to defend. While small parts of similiar code may no doubt be attributed to coincidence, it would require some stretch of imagination to forward coincidence as an argument for an entire kernel. We must also presume that M$' developers worked in complete isolation and did not at any time consult any of the free developers - another tall order considering that the orginal code writers can barely understand what they have written in the first place. Apart from the above hypothetical case, the real problem is about the development model used by closed and open software. The M$Developer will have to pick cut off date for the code they plan to copy. By the time they come up with something useable, the open version will have moved so far ahead that the old version will become pretty much useless. Also it is not the kernel which is the key, it is the applications which produce the $. So all applications on the windoze platform will have to be ported by the developers delaying the deployment by ages. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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[OT] http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in
by Amish Mehta 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

Hello, http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/ gives page not found. I think it should atleast redirect to http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Thanks. Amish.

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An Interesting Question
by Bhargav Bhatt 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

Hello Luggers! I will play the Devil's Advocate here. Consider, for a moment, that the folloing *HYPOTHETICAL* situation is true. Microsoft Corp. has been losing market value rapidly(but it still is the number 1 software company) due to the advancement a much more "stable" and "secure" operating system called GNU/Linux. Since the GNU/Linux operating system, licensed under the GPL is completely open source, *anybody* is allowed to *see* the code. Lets say that Microsoft, to stay at the top, employs a few developers who are skilled at both GNU/Linux and Windows. Microsoft, then asks them to write a clone of the linux kernel for incorporating large chunks of it, maybe even the kernel in its entirety, into the next version of windows. Since M$ is the still the leader, they have the highest market share. Now if almost everybody switches to the new version of windows(based on the linux kernel), they will be in for a pleasant surprise. They will now get a much more stable and secure OS, which unknown to them, is running a replica of the linux kernel. This new OS will please major IT companies, using M$, too, as they will not have scratch their heads over switching to a more stable operating environment. This will mean an increasing demand for the now, stable and secure, OS from Microsoft. Since all patches applied to OSS are open too, M$ can easily incorporate those into windows update. M$ in the meanwhile, does NOT disclose to *anyone* the ingredients of the new OS. Thus M$ keeps making more money, and its market grows, thereby condemning GNU/Linux to realms of geeks, where it had its humble beginnings. Since M$ does not disclose source code, there is no way for others(Read GNU/Linux supporters) to make a claim that the new Windows is a rip off of the Linux kernel. My question is, (discounting the ethical and moral concerns as these cant be counted as legal arguments and assuming that M$ pays enough $$ to the developers to keep their mouth shut) what contract/law/clause/license/etc is there right now to prevent M$ from doing something as dastardly as this? P.S: i dont think that the GPL can be used at M$ is too smart at code obfuscation(i think it means obscuring source code) for people to be able to disassemble their OS and claim it to be a rip-off of linux. Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. --------------- Is it a co-incidence that Red Hat and Robin Hood share the same initials?

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sendmail problem
by Girish Hanchate 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

Do masquerading or if u r using proxy open POP3 port in squid. rgds girish i need suggestion from u, theres some configuration problem i h've setup linux 7.3 Redhat with iptables firewall, n squid proxy server now i want to configure sendmail as a mail server for internal lan user the requirement is users from lan should able to send mails through windows machine with the help of outlook express, i already have a pop3 address for receiving mails from internet for example xyz.com, so receiving is not a problem but i need to configure my gateway such a way that user from lan (windows 98 / 2000 + outlook express installed ) should able to send mails to anyone from outlook express through gatway. pls tell me abt this from scratch that how should i setup sendmail to do this task, i dont h've any registered domain name i h've 64 kbps leased line with static ip n isp dns if i use mail programme on gateway to send mails to xyz(a)yahoo.com it works now i want same thing should happen from client machine i h've done SNAT on some machines Thanx Satsonic __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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sendmail problem
by Girish Hanchate 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

Do masquerading or if u r using proxy open POP3 port in squid. rgds giris i need suggestion from u, theres some configuration problem i h've setup linux 7.3 Redhat with iptables firewall, n squid proxy server now i want to configure sendmail as a mail server for internal lan user the requirement is users from lan should able to send mails through windows machine with the help of outlook express, i already have a pop3 address for receiving mails from internet for example xyz.com, so receiving is not a problem but i need to configure my gateway such a way that user from lan (windows 98 / 2000 + outlook express installed ) should able to send mails to anyone from outlook express through gatway. pls tell me abt this from scratch that how should i setup sendmail to do this task, i dont h've any registered domain name i h've 64 kbps leased line with static ip n isp dns if i use mail programme on gateway to send mails to xyz(a)yahoo.com it works now i want same thing should happen from client machine i h've done SNAT on some machines Thanx Satsonic __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Anti-Simputer article...
by Frederick Noronha 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

More on the anti-Simputer article... Very relevant to the GNU/Linux debate too. FN From: "Vinay L Deshpande" <vinay(a)ncoretech.com> On the India-GII list Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [india-gii] Reply to Scott McCollum on his article on Simputer Dear Pete: Thanks for forwarding this to me; it shows me that there ARE people who do not yet understand what the Simputer really is -- the Trust and we all need to do more to dispel misconceptions. I do hope my reply to Scott McCollum, appended below, will help clear his misconceptions. Best regards, Vinay QUOTE Dear Scott: Your September 19 article in the World TechTribune (http://www.worldtechtribune.com/worldtechtribune/asparticles/buzz/bz09192002) on how the Simputer will NOT bridge the digital divide, has just come to my attention, and I do feel you should have talked to the developers as well as some of the actual users, to get a better understanding of the product, before pontificating about something that you clearly do not understamd. Typical of some in the developed world to pretend that since they are from the developed world, they know better than the "natives." Allow me to clear your misconceptions: You said, "It's a cheap handheld that runs non standard software which will not help to bridge the digital divide." First of all, it is not cheap, it is simply inexpensive. Cheap today signifies low quality, whereas the Simputer is a high-quality product that uses state-of-the-art technology and components. Secondly, it is based on very standard software, as it uses the GNU/Linux operating system, which cannot be termed as non-standard by any stretch of the imagination, unless your definition of standard is Windows, WindowsCE, PalmOS, or Symbian. Further, the Information Markup Language (IML) that has been newly created for the Simputer, is in reality an XML application, and XML, again, cannot be termed non-standard by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, Microsoft, whose software you will perhaps agree is a standard, are promoting XML as an internet standard. Nevertheless, using the Simputer's SDK, programs can also be written in C, which is a current standard. Also, J2ME is now available on the Simputer, and J2ME, you will hopefully agree, is yet another current standard. The interfaces that the Simputer uses, such as USBn audio, IrDA, and V.90 modem, are also current standards. You then say, "by teaching an illiterate nomad how to use a computer that only other illiterate nomads use, they are not helping to bridge that digital divide," and "How can anyone honestly expect developing nations to ever help themselves if the Simputer doesn't actually teach them how the rest of the world really works?" It is rather presumptuous to think that the Simputer is only aimed at the illiterate, and further that all illiterates are nomads. What the Simputer does do, is to enable even illiterates, and yes, even the nomads among them, to use information technology as a tool to do things that matter to them, including accessing the internet for information at least in their own language, which the Simputer speaks to them using its built-in local-language text-to-speech facility. Admittedly, since they may not know English which you probably consider the only standard language, the Simputer may not just yet be able to teach them everything about how the rest of the world works, as some of that information content may not currently be available in their local language. But I dare say that there is a lot of material already available in many non-English local languages, in India as well as in other developing countries, which is still accessible to them. This we consider a good first step in bridging the digital divide. Besides, aren't use of handheld devices and internet access part of "how the rest of the world works?" By the way, hunt and peck is also how many in the "rest of the world" work, but I dare say that the illiterate nomads touching pictorial icons is hardly hunt-and-peck. In any case, a not-too-distant version of the Simputer will allow these illiterate nomads to use spoken commands in their own language, obviating the need for hunt-and-peck. As for illiterate nomads interacting with other illiterate nomads, aren't most of the interactions that any individual has, anywhere in the world, with other individuals in their local area(s)? Local here could mean a village, town, city, state, or even country. For that matter, it doesn't seem like you yourself cared to interact with the developers of the Simputer, half way around the world, to learn the facts about it, before jumping to your own ill-judged conclusions, so why should you expect the illiterate nomads to not derive any value by interacting with other illiterate nomads? Now, let's talk about applications. True, users must wait for someone to develop a specialized application and distribute it before they can enjoy the Simputer. But this is also true of any other standard handheld device if anyone in the developed world too needs an application that is outside the standard suite of PIM applications. Yes, a lot of specialized application software is available on many web sites for the standard handheld devices currently available in the market, but didn't users of such devices have to wait when such devices initially appeared, to have them written by some developer(s) ? Why should the Simputer be any different? In fact, there is already an army of independent developers, worldwide, which is creating many innovative applications on the Simputer, for bridging the digital divide, that have real meaning to the lives of those illiterate nomads as well as their literate counterparts in the cities and towns in the developing and developed worlds. One example is a Simputer-based ultrasound device to help government health workers monitor the health of mother and foetus among the aboriginal women in the remote villages of Africa where there is no electricity available for using standard ultrasound diagnostic equipment used in urban-area clinics or hospitals. That is bridging the digital divide, by passing on the benefits of modern digital technology to poor tribals in caring for their health. You finally say, "the most glaringly obvious problem of the Simputer is trumpeted as one of its greatest qualities: portability," as such portability would make the Simputer vulnerable to easy theft. No one can deny that the human temptation to steal exists among all peoples of the world, whether they live in developed countries or the developing ones. Why else would computer stores everywhere, including the developed world, do brisk business in those lockable tethers which they also use in-store, attached to laptops and handheld devices on display? The real point that you seem to have missed, is that by virtue of the smart-card facility, the Simputer can be shared among a group of persons who can't individually afford even the low $200 price, while still retaining the privacy of their data and other information. And because of such shared ownership, there will be greater care exercised to prevent theft(s). The same would be true of even Simputers which are placed in a village, say, by the government or even by "progressives" from the West, which, being community property, will be jealously guarded by the community! As for the Simputers that would be in a cyber-cafe-like Simputer Cafe in the village, the owner of the Cafe will have adequate preventive measures instituted against theft. All this does not mean that theft will be totally impossible, but it also doesn't mean that because of the likelihood of theft owing to its portability, the Simputer is not suited for use by those poor villagers. For that matter, the same poor villagers possess small, easy-to-carry or -pocket items such as traditional jewellery, farm implements, utensils, etc., which do once in a while get stolen, but which they do normally know how to protect from theft, so why should the Simputer be any different? I am afraid you do need to educate yourself, Scott. Best regards, Vinay Deshpande Managing Trustee The Simputer Trust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Oram" <andyo(a)oreilly.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: [india-gii] Critique of Simputer > > The following article (which came to me across another > > mailing list) is worth reading carefully. It would be easy > > to sneer at. ("You're doing nobody a favor by giving them a > > graphical interface and a mouse. They've got to learn > > command-line utilities like everybody else.") The arguments > > are not presented as well as they could be, in my > > opinion. But there are several cogent arguments, somewhat > > hidden. > > > > SIMPUTERS: WHEN TECHNOLOGY DOES _NOT_ BRIDGE THE DIGITAL DIVIDE > > [SOURCE: World Tech Tribune, AUTHOR: Scott McCollum] http://www.worldtechtribune.com/worldtechtribune/asparticles/buzz/bz0919200… > > I would rephrase--and answer--McCollum's objections as > > follows: > > > > 1. Because the Simputer must use non-standard interfaces and > > applications, users must wait for someone to develop a > > specialized application and distribute it before they can > > enjoy it. > > > > Answer: this limitation sets the bar somewhat higher than > > other devices, but other users also need, for the most > > part, to wait for someone to develop a service or web > > site with the material they want. But even limited to > > Simputers, a county government or local business that > > sees a need could hire a programmer to code up an > > application and put it on a smart card. The barrier is > > still pretty low. > > > > 2. Simputer applications allow Simputer users to talk to > > each other. But there's a much wider world they need > > access to. > > > > Answer: A lot of research suggests that local > > interactions are more common than remote ones. For > > instance, people on a company LAN or extended network > > tend exchange more interactions with each other than with > > people out on the Internet. Universal access by a > > community to each other's systems is probably of greater > > interest than access to the outside. Nevertheless, > > gateways to selected outside services could be designed. > > > > 3. The Simputer traps users in baby interfaces, so they'll > > never grow into interfaces other people can use. > > > > Answer: design a teaching tool that uses the Simputer to > > help people learn more complex systems. > > > > 4. Technology cannot be introduced in a vacuum. A social > > infrastructure is needed. Thus, introducing $200 > > Simputers into poor areas will just lead to theft. > > > > Answer: This is actually a sophisticated > > argument. Infrastructure is indeed necessary. But if > > somebody thinks a Simputer worth stealing, it has proven > > its value. People in poor areas have other small, > > valuable objects and possess the street smarts to protect > > them. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Andy Oram O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. email: andyo(a)oreilly.com > > Editor 90 Sherman Street voice: 617-499-7479 > > Cambridge, MA 02140-3233 fax: 617-661-1116 > > USA http://www.oreilly.com/~andyo/ > > Stories at Web site: > > The Bug in the Seven Modules Code the Obscure The Disconnected > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________ > > Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR) > > is the oldest non-profit, mass membership organization > > working on social impacts of computer technolo,

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by Vinayak Hegde 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

hi, M$ has only fooled few people. It's only that thoose who have been conned do not know that have been conned. A strategy like this is very difficult/impossible due to the architectural differences between windows and linux. BTW do you think that Bill Gate's/M$'s ego will let him do that? or is money more important than the ego?? There have been some attempts to bridge the gap between the applications(eg Lindows.com which runs both M$ and linux apps) :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by quasar＠vsnl.net 27 Sep '02

27 Sep '02

lilo(a)zeenext.com wrote >The Internal CodeName for Windows XP was "Cairo". In Greek "Chi" >is written as "X" and Rho as "P" (well roughly). Hence XP in >Windows XP is for Cairo and not X from Xwindows or MacOS. ummm.. interesting information. Now all we gotta do is find a connection between Cairo, the greek language and Micro$oft. It is of course very circumstantial that windowsXP which came after macOSX both have a greater thrust on eye-candy interface and of course the fact that the latest of X can compete with any of the above in the eye-candy aspect. Three windowing systems with X somewhere in their names - now that is something... :-D BTW what seems to be the motivation for these esoteric "internal codenames" which seem to be the norm of the industry..? quasi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by Vinayak Hegde 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

> M$ already was inspired by the Mac OS X & the various good looking > managers > on X to name the last windows with an 'X' in it. :-) > > quasi The Internal CodeName for Windows XP was "Cairo". In Greek "Chi" is written as "X" and Rho as "P" (well roughly). Hence XP in Windows XP is for Cairo and not X from Xwindows or MacOS. :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Interesting Question
by q u a s i 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

At 12:30 even 9/26/02 +0530, N Joshibaba wrote: >but the kernel architecture (monolithic / macrolithic / hybrid (?)) of >Windows and Linux is different right ? Also there is difference between >Windows 9x and NT kernel > >AFAIK Linux kernel was written keeping in mind POSIX nd I guess POSIX nd >Windows don't go together AFAIK POSIX is an standard. M$ has full right to be compliant, *if* it so wants to. >Also I think you are assuming that Linux is the *best* kernel available >(BTW what happened to HURD ?) which arguably is not the case right, IMHO. GNU/Linux is the best choice due to its 'open' & 'free' nature. It is under constant and heavy development and one day (soon) may become the best. Stallman wants HURD to be in, but I think it lacks the developer following that Linux has. >I've seem ppl on Usenet (Microsoft Developers well versed with GNU/Linux) >refer to Windows 2000 with reverence. I too think that Microsoft did come >up with something 'stable' with >Windows 2000. Win2K is indeed stable. And, I suppose, a good secure OS to have if one does not mind paying the big bucks and wants professional technical support. The last truly useless piece of junk from M$ was windows95. Even windows98SE is quiet stable (though not as efficient as GNU/Linux and of course completely insecure). >I mean when I look at Windows Xp ; it iz a hybrid of Win 9x and Windows >2000 right? Modified & improved Win ME interface on top of NT kernel. It is all eye-candy than genuine performance improvements, I suppose. M$ already was inspired by the Mac OS X & the various good looking managers on X to name the last windows with an 'X' in it. :-) quasi HSC pass, too! '-)

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Redhat Plans to conquer the desktop??
by Vinayak Hegde 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

The VP of RH talks to the register about RH future plans. Thankfully though they have no plans to replace Redmond with redhat http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27289.html Also there is an article in the Times that LG is planning to sell PCs preloaded with Linux. Also if I remember right there was an AD by compaq (again in the Times sometime back) which showcased two PCs one running Linux and the other windows Both the configs were the same but there was a price difference of nearly rs.7000/- between them. :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] whats obfuscation
by Sankha Subhra Som 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Hi Yes it prints n! and is pretty good at doing that(large precision) I commented out the #include<stdio.h> and ran the preprocessor on the original file. Then i ran indent on the result to give it a decent look. Then i changed all the variables to more meaningful ones. The thirteenth line looks something like this for (l = 0; l < 14; putchar ("\t\"8)>l\"9!.)>vl"[l] ^ 'L'), ++l); It is supposed to print something like "Enter number: " The perplexing part is the putchar() in the loop Taking a close look at it you can see that he has a 14 character striing in the quotes "\t\"8)>l\"9!.)>vl" .This he indexes by [l]. While the loop executes he extracts each character systematically and does an bitwise exclusive OR with 'L' and prints the resulting character.This prints the string. Now the question why does he do an XOR with 'L' is easy. He could have done an XOR with nethin for the matter but then the string in quotes would have been different. If a XOR b = c then a XOR c = b This explains the 13th line. Will try to make sense out of the remaining code. -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Everything happens to everybody sooner or later if there is time enough.

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Re: Buggy C prog
by Amish Mehta 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Hint: 1) You cant bury someone without digging hole. If you dont make(allocate) space you cant store(read) things. 2) Think gets() Amish. Nikhil Joshi wrote: >I've tried this simple prog to encrypt a file using XOR > >But it gives "Segmentation Fault " in 'interactive' mode (pls see the >source code)

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Re: whats obfuscation..FUN
by Gurpreet Singh 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

hi i did go thru the confusy contest. the code i wrote was not as confusing as the one just posted on the LUG (wish i had checked mail earlier). i used names like pepsi coke sprite, burger, pizza etc etc by #defines for printf scanf etc etc . even used mullllllllllllllllltiple function jumps to just do simple things. It was real FUN... results will comeout tomm let see. i think i messed up in the debugging round... gurpreet

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Sendmail smtp problem
by Satsonic 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

i need suggestion from u, theres some configuration problem i h've setup linux 7.3 Redhat with iptables firewall, n squid proxy server now i want to configure sendmail as a mail server for internal lan user the requirement is users from lan should able to send mails through windows machine with the help of outlook express, i already have a pop3 address for receiving mails from internet for example xyz.com, so receiving is not a problem but i need to configure my gateway such a way that user from lan (windows 98 / 2000 + outlook express installed ) should able to send mails to anyone from outlook express through gatway. pls tell me abt this from scratch that how should i setup sendmail to do this task, i dont h've any registered domain name i h've 64 kbps leased line with static ip n isp dns if i use mail programme on gateway to send mails to xyz(a)yahoo.com it works now i want same thing should happen from client machine i h've done SNAT on some machines Thanx Satsonic

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[Announce] [ACM] Seminar: Resource Description Framework - Sep 27
by Philip S Tellis 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Hello friends, We at ACM Mumbai are organizing a seminar on RDF, which is a general purpose language for representing information in the WWW and meant primarily for representing metadata about web-resources. The seminar titled "Resource Description Framework" is to be held on Fri Sep 27, 2002 -- *6:30 pm* at NCST, Gulmohar Cross Road 9, Juhu, Mumbai 400049. [Landmark: Copper Chimney Restaurant]. (road map available at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/) Please note that the seminar is at 6:30pm and NOT at 5:35pm as written erroneously in the ACM Mumbai newsletter. We look forward to seeing you at the seminar. The abstract of the seminar is given below: Resource Description Framework(RDF) is a emerging standard monitored by W3C for describing resources on the web. The seminar will cover what exactly RDF is, how it can be useful to describe not only resources on the web but any metadata, and the future of RDF. The talk will be full of examples and practical discussion on RDF. About the speaker: Dharmesh Maniyar is a Staff Scientist in Education Technology Unit(ETU) working at NCST Kharghar. His areas of interest are Online Learning, Data Mining and Machine Learning. - JJH for ACM, Mumbai.

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Re: Simputer....
by WERNER K HEISENBERG 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

>From: "Vinay L Deshpande" <vinay(a)ncoretech.com> >Subject: [india-gii] Reply to Scott McCollum on his >article on Simputer ..schnitt........... Way to go, Mr Vinay. That was one heck of a verbal gut punch. Fantastic oratory! Anyone with even an iota of self-respect would lie down and die quietly, after that. I guess [and hope] that puts paid to the paleface! I hope the following line would round off the massacre! "Amateurs built the Ark! Professionals built the Titanic." Keep it up! A billion plus are behind you, I'm sure, only they don't know it yet. Brgds Werner ____________________________________________________________ Tired of all the SPAM in your inbox? Switch to LYCOS MAIL PLUS http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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whats obfuscation
by Gurpreet Singh 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

hi can someone plz tell me what obfuscation exactly is, and how to obfuscate some code given to u. actually we have an upcoming comptt. in goa college of engg. and there is this even which is called "dubugsy n obfuscy" where we have to obfuscate and debug some code tha'll be gven ot us and do this ON PAPER... SOS aaaaaaaaeee Gurpreet

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installing linux from hdd
by Harsh R Busa 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

i have a linux 7.1 installed along windows managed by lilo while upgrading to rh7.3 the cdrom cudnt live upto it and stops reading midway. this messed up my earlier installation. i got rh7.3 cds dumped on my hdd e:\rh73 (which is /dev/hda6 iguess) tree is soemthing like this e:\rh73 -> images -> dosutils -> RedHat -> RPMS -> base etc i started the installation from command prompt using autoboot.bat a part of dosutils now installation starts and asks me to select partition and then enter directory names. i have tried every possible dir names and partition name plz tell me how to identify / specify directory names holding installation files.. take care harsh

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help in GNOME installtion
by Sachin 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

hi there i have tried to install gnome1.4 i have got some problem [errors] can u suggest what is GLIBC_2.3 ? is it provided by glibc-2.290 if not then what provides GLIBC_2.3 btwn my rpm installer is not very best at configuration thanx sachin #-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 83:gnome-session ########################################### [ 82%] gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) error: execution of %post scriptlet from gnome-session-2.0.7.0.200209080026-0.snap.ximian.1 failed, exit status 1 84:gnome-system-monitor ########################################### [ 83%] gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) error: execution of %post scriptlet from gnome-system-monitor-2.0.2.0.200209080026-0.snap.ximian.1 failed, exit status 1 85:gnome-utils2 ########################################### [ 84%] gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) gconftool-2: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0) error: execution of %post scriptlet from gnome-utils2-2.0.4.0.200209080026-0.snap.ximian.1 failed, exit status 1 -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= It is more rational to sacrifice one life than six. -- Spock, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2822.3 ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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[ot] movie tonight
by q u a s i 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

tonight HBO 2315hrs : Pirates of the Silicon Valley. About Steve Jobs & Bill Gates.

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[OFF TOPIC?] Interesting HOWTO
by Dinesh Shah 25 Sep '02

25 Sep '02

Hi, Why should not we be doing this actively? Encourage women to paticipate in LUG and Linux? http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html PS: Pls Post any response *after* reading the HOWTO :-) With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Re:crack challenge
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 25 Sep '02

25 Sep '02

Trevor Warren wrote: >Hello luggers....;) > > Time for a little challenge for all of u....:)) Time > to put on ur thinking caps nd start hackin @ that old > mean gnu-linux b ox of urs..... http://news.com.com/2100-1001-957988.html http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.slapper.worm.h tml

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Blocking MSN and Yahoo messenger
by Amish Mehta 25 Sep '02

25 Sep '02

Tineeminee wrote: > Thanks for your all your help I did manage to block MSN by writing >the following commands >/sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP -b --sport 1863 -j DENY > It should better be --dport. '-b' is ok but not advisable(as per man page) nor needed. >/sbin/ipchains -A output -p TCP -d 192.168.1.0/24 -s 216.0.0.0/8 23 -l -j DENY again -d should be -s and -s should be -d, logically. Plus I dont think MSN has taken full 216. class, but anyway its fine for you as you are blocking only telnet(port 23). > >Can anyone please let me know if there is any way i can know which ports or >servers are being used by the users on the N/W. man netstat should help to know connection ports. Amish.

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(no subject)
by pshukla＠voltas.com 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Hi Everybody. I have redhat 7.2 server which i also want to act as a firewall for my Network. Any one has any idea about any firewall on linux? Does the native firewall shipped with linux is sufficient? Please suggest. Shukla.

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Request for Seminar
by Sabarish Viswanathan 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Dear Sir, The students of Sardar Patel College of Engineering have decided to hold a seminar/workshop on Linux.We would like to have your telephone no. in order to discuss the further details. Thank you. Balasubramanian v SPCE ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Request for Seminar
by Dinesh Shah 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:26:26 +0100 (BST) > Dear Sir, > The students of Sardar Patel College of Engineering > have decided to hold a seminar/workshop on Linux.We > would like to have your telephone no. in order to > discuss the further details. > Thank you. You can call me on 6926233/6730709 to work out the schedule and other details. > Balasubramanian v > SPCE HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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[commercial] (fwd) job opportunity in Germany
by Philip S Tellis 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:36:06 +0200 From: prasanna(a)netzland.net Dear sir, First of all let me introduce myself as Prasanna Kumar, Working for Netzland GmbH, Germany....We are in the process of recruiting some Linux-Perl-PHP programmers to our India office which is going to start its operations in Navi Mumbai soon....For that we that we are looking out for Linux-Perl-PhP Programmers...Hence we would like to know from you Is it possible to place an Ad in your User group..And if you charge for that then the price for placing an ad in your linux user group website...Like to hear soon from you... Thanking you, Regds, K.Prasanna Kumar ___________________________________ Netzland, http://www.netzland.net

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IndicComputing
by Frederick Noronha 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 20Sep2002##########IndicComputing Bytes#########################Issue02 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE FIELD: This is an impressive list of people working/interested in the Indic Computing field. It is based on those who attended (or could not make it) for the Sept 15-16 Indic-Computing Workshop at Bangalore. If you would like to get in touch with any of them, you can locate their contact details via Tapan S. Parikh <tap2k(a)yahoo.com>: Dr. U B Pavanaja (Kannada Ganaka Parishad, Bangalore), Joseph Koshy (Hewlett-Packard, Bangalore), Brij Sethi (H-P Bangalore), Sunil Abraham (Mahiti, Bangalore) RVS Sastry (IISc, Bangalore) C.V. Srinatha Sastry (KGP, Bangalore), Kalika Bali (Picopeta Simputers, Bangalore), N Anitha (IISc, Bangalore), Abraham K Mathen (H-P, Bangalore), K Nagarajan (H-P, Bangalore), Sayamindu Dasgupta (ILUG-Calcutta). Also on the list are Manoj R Annadurai and Aboo Thanish (Chennai Kavigal), Dr. Hema Murthy (IIT-Madras Chennai), Rajkumar S (Free Software Foundation, Kerala), Arun M (FSF, Tiruvananthapuram), Prof Pat Hall (Open University, London), G Karunakar (Netcore, Mumbai), Tapan Parikh (Mumbai), Venkatesh Hariharan (IndLinux, Mumbai), G. Nagarjuna (TIFR/FSF-Mumbai), Prakash Advani (Netcore, Mumbai), Raveesh Gupta (Microsoft, New Delhi), Ravi Kant and Pankaj Kaushal (Sarai, New Delhi), Mita Radhakrishnan and Tapas Desrousseaux (Aurovillle Language Lab, Pondicherry), Ashish Kotamkar (Mithi, Pune), Ravi Pande (font designer, Pune), Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya (Ahmedabad), Ms Neepa Shah (Gujarat Vidyapeeth, Ahmedabad), Dr Samir Kelekar (KonkaniNet, Goa/Bangalore), Susan Uskudarli (Bangalore), Abhas Abhinav and Vikram Singh (DeepRoot Linux, Bangalore), KSR Anjaneyulu (H-P, Bangalore), Durgesh Rao (NCST, Mumbai), Narasimha Murthy, TB Dinesh, CS Ramalingam, Naveen and Suzanne (H-P, Bangalore). Other members who could not participate, but are interested in/working on the subject are: Bala Pillai (Tamil Net, Australia), Manoranjan Kumar Singh (NCST, Bangalore), CV Radhakrishnan (River Valley Technologies, Kerala), Dr Srinath Srinivasa (IIIT-B, Bangalore), Dr Vinay L Deshpande (Ncore Technologies, Blore), Prof Swami Manohar (Picopeta Simputers, Blore), Dr Sri Ganesh and Prof A G Ramakrishnan (H-P, Banglore), Abhijit Das (IISc-Bangalore), Swayandipta Pal Chaudhuri (Perl Mongers, Calcutta), Vinay Chhajalani (Webduniya, Indore) Suresh Babu (INAPP Thiruvananthapuram), Baiju M (FSF-Tvm), Keyur Shroff (NCST Mumbai), Srinath Shanbag (NCST Mumbai), Dr. Pushpak Bhattacharya (IIT-Bombay, Mumbai), Osama Manzar (4Cplus.net New Delhi), Aman Grewal (CHiPS Raipur), M K Saravanan (Centre for Singapore Internet Research), Frank Pohlmann, Mahesh Pai, Edward Cherlin, Owen Taylor, Eric Mader, Gaspar Sinai (Yudit), Deborah W Anderson (Script Encoding Initiative), Free Standards Group, Asmus Freytag and Joseph Becker and Kenneth Whistler (Unicode), Prof Ken Kenniston (MIT), Supreet (Sarai). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ INDIAN TONGUES, NOT AVAILABLE: Dulce Felix <dulce(a)cybermultilingual.com> of http://www.cityradio.nu offers submissions to Japanese search engines, Chinese search engines, German search engines, Hispanic search engines etc. Felix says: "Please note that at this point we do not provide website promotion services in any of the Indian languages." Chinese, Korean and Japanese are among the Asian languages offered. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ COMMENT FROM KOLKATA: In a discussion arising on the Linux-Bangalore non-tech list <linux-bangalore-non-tech(a)yahoogroups.com> P.K.Sharma <pksharma(a)cal.vsnl.net.in> of Calcutta had a point to make. Responding to a report on the recent Bangalore Indic-Computing meet, he argued: "I find this info quite useful. In Calcutta we are working on bringing Bengali into Linux. A member claims success in it too!..." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LINKS TO GETTEXT AND EMACS INTERNATIONALIZATION: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), responded to a query about who were the right persons to contact re. the internationalization of GNU/Linux (specially to Indian languages). He wrote: "The maintainer of GNU Gettext is haible(a)ilog.fr. handa(a)etl.go.jp works oninternationalization of Emacs." Maybe we should be contacting such quarters more regularly, to place our concerns in mind. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES FROM AN AMAZING LINGUIST IN THE US: Edward Cherlin <edward(a)webforhumans.com> creates international, multilingual Web sites, and is active in Internationalization standards and implementation. He's based in Cupertino CA 95014 He offered some interesting comments: ON FONTS AND TOOLS: Responding to Dr Pavanaja's point that Pfaedit can create only glyph sets and cannot make an Opentype font with embedded tables for glyph substitution, glyph positioning, distance, etc, Cherlin argues: "Right. However, it is open source, so adding the ability to write Opentype tables should be straightforward. See also GOTE (GNU OpenType Editor, currently described as "rather alpha"." "There are other commercial font editors. Fontlab 4.0 from Tiro Typeworks can create Opentype fonts, and in a future version will be able to handle non-BMP character codes," he says. "Graphite's (a good toolkit for rendering) developers are trying to revive it, perhaps in combination with Pango, which has joined Li18nux, which has joined the Free Standards Group." WITH AN OPENTYPE FONT AND RENDERING MECHANISM, WRITING A KEYBOARD DRIVER IS QUITE EASY: Says Dr Cherlin: "Right. For Unix, it is a matter of looking up the correct codes to enter into a text file. Mac is more work, and Windows requires membership in MSDN to handle keyboard layouts completely. Tavultesoft Keyman is a free program to create keyboard layouts, but it operates at a different level from Microsoft's own keyboards." SORTING TEXT: "Text to be sorted must go through several steps before strings can be compared. UTR#10 discusses preprocessing, normalization, array formation, and forming sort keys. There is also consideration of 'override mechanisms (tailoring) for creating language-specific orderings.'," says Cherlin. Dr Cherlin has written a market research study, "Non-Latin Font Technology and Markets" (1990), and in 1994, wrote and published a study, "The Worldwide Impact of the Unicode Character Set Standard". He is in the process of taking over maintenance of the Unicode HOWTO for Linux from Bruno Haible. Some of the languages he has learnt in life include Hebrew at the synagogue starting at age eight, a year of Latin in eighth grade, French and Russian in High School, Swahili and a little Chinese in an after-school club, more French and Russian in college, Korean in the Peace Corps, Japanese in Japan, a little Pali and Sanskrit in his Buddhist training, Chinese at Durham University in the UK, APL from his father, Tolkien's Dwarvish and Elvish, Classical Greek (Euclid), Yiddish, Spanish, German, and a little Italian and Portuguese on his own, the invented language Loglan on his won, the invented language Lojban with the Logical Language Group, Various Slavic languages plus Georgian and Armenian with the Slavyanka Russian Chorus, Tabla bols in both Devanagari and Arabic script. Amazing! He is currently helping Tex Texin on his Compelling Unicode Demo with Yiddish, Cherokee, Azeri, and Burmese examples. Says he: "If I had time, I would look at Farsi next, particularly the astronomical and mathematical works of Omar Khayyam, and of course his poetry, too. But for now I am sticking with writing systems rather than languages. I am creating a Unicode APL font, and prodding people to do the necessary Indic and South Asian Opentype fonts and rendering so that everyone else can get on with the real work." He's available for consulting contracts, or even a full-time job. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MORE FROM CHERLIN: This is the factual position, as he desscribes it -- "India has 18 official languages written in 10 different alphabets: Devanagari (used for Hindi, Marathi, and others), Bengali, Gurmukhi (Punjabi), Gujarati, Oriya, Malayalam, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, and Latin (English). In addition, more than 800 other languages spoken in India do not have official status. Mandrake Linux, one popular distribution, includes keyboards and fonts for Bengali, Devanagari, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, and Tamil, five of the nine Indic writing systems. Unfortunately, many applications do not accept these characters, and those that accept them may not handle them correctly." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHAT'S THE REAL DIFFICULTY?: Edward Cherlin of Web for Humans, an international Web development company based in Cupertino, California, says, "The problems of rendering each standard Indic script are reasonably well understood, and will be solved soon in Pango. The real difficulty is with languages that have never been written, or are written in non-standard variants of the official scripts. The only organization I know of that has been working seriously on this problem is Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL), and their work is stalled for lack of funds." Cherlin is active in Unicode, L18nux, Pango, Free Standards Group, and other organizations working on Indic and other unsupported writing systems, especially on the problem of getting all of the interested parties into contact with each other. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTE, SOMETHING ABOUT PANGO AND LI18NUX: Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> is the founder of the Pango project. Li18nux is working on standards for keyboard input, among other things, in conjunction with the Linux Standard Base of the Free Standards Group. They have focused first on Input Methods for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, but when Pango's Indic support is complete they will extend their standard to include it. At the toolkit level, Gtk and Qt are the most used toolkits. This helps. Gtk already has a good framework through Pango project, and basic level support for Indian languages. Qt also now has Unicode level support for all languages, but rendering is not yet ready. However, Pango is independent of Gtk, and can be used with Qt or any other software. GNU, Li18nux and Pango are focusing on Opentype, which is the only font format that provides the glyph mapping tables needed to support Indic conjuncts. GOTE, the GNU OpenType Editor, will be the essential tool for this effort when it is completed. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WinXP AND APPLE: Cherlin explains other issues too. As he puts it: "Some argue today that only Microsoft's WinXP has any kind of Indian language support worth speaking about, even though Apple has provided Indian language kits for many years. "There is confusion about Unicode support for Indic writing systems, since Unicode does not provide character codes for conjunct glyphs. Many in India still think that this is a design flaw in Unicode, whereas the Unicode designers argue that it is a necessary design decision so that we can escape from the current broken Indic rendering techniques. "The set of conjuncts is needed is not determined solely by the writing system and language. It is font-specific, and can therefore only be supported by font glyphs, not character encoding. Unfortunately, PostScript and TrueType fonts do not support the correct mapping tables, and the problem can only be solved with Opentype fonts. "In contrast, rendering Indic scripts using PostScript or TrueType fonts requires encoding the conjuncts directly in the text stream, rather than the letters composing them, and requires non-standard software to translate between the sequence of letters from the keyboard and the sequence of conjunct characters in a non-standard font. The result is text that cannot be sorted and searched properly, where spelling and grammar checkers cannot operate. It is hard on users to have to wait so long for proper support of Indic scripts through Unicode, but the results are guaranteed to justify the delay." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TEX USERS' CONTRIBUTION: Indian TeX Users Group have a project now to fund font designers in all the Indian languages who are ready to write fonts and donate under GPL to TUGIndia. They've thus secured 'Keli' a Malayalam font family in various weights and shapes written by Hashim and released under GPL. "We do hope to get more fonts in other languages to fill up the gaps. We hope to use the savings generated with TUG2002 (to be held in India in September 2002) exclusively for this purpose," says Radhakrishnan in Thiruvananthapuram. Maybe these friends should get in touch with Pango and Li18nux. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNITYPE GLOBAL OFFICE, AN ADD-ON TO MS-OFFICE: Cherlin suggests, for those who can afford it, Unitype Global Office, an add-on to Microsoft Office which supports Hindi, Marathi, Nepali, Sanskrit, Punjabi, Gujarati, Bengali, Assamese, Tamil, Telugu, Maldivian, Kannada, Malayalam, Urdu, Pashto, Dari, and many other languages. See http://www.unitype.com/globaloffice.htm. Although it uses non-Unicode encoded fonts and a non-standard rendering engine, Global Office and Microsoft Office together are capable of writing Unicode files that can be viewed correctly with Opentype Indic fonts when they become available. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HARDLY ANY GPL-ed: SIL's Fonts in Cyberspace pages at http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/ and Alan Wood's Unicode Resources at http://www.hclrss.demon.co.uk/unicode/fontsbyrange.html both list fonts for every major writing system, but hardly any are GPL-ed. This is about to change, according to Cherlin. "Several projects and numerous individuals are working on Free Unicode fonts, now that commercial Opentype font editors such as Tiro Typeworks Fontlab 4.0 are available. Finishing the GNU OpenType Editor (GOTE) will speed things up much more." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SOME INTERESTING LINKS: Pango http://www.pango.org Graphite http://www.sil.org/computing/graphite/ Li18nux http://www.li18nux.org Free Standards Group http://www.freestandards.org/ Mandrake http://www.mandrake.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Compiled in public interest from material on the Net by: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred(a)bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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[commercial] Linux Administrators for Germany... and Vashi
by Philip S Tellis 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

This is all I know about it: Contact Person: Jaya Phone: 8561185 Linux administration - 5 Opportunities (2 in Vashi 3 in Germany (person should know german )) Do *not* contact *me* for more details. I know nothing more about this. Philip

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Microsoft vs. Government of Peru
by Ram Baji Rao 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Edgar Villanueva, a legislator from Peru, has put a proposal for Peru government agencies to standardize on Free Software for their own internal use. This proposal worries Microsoft! Some government bodies around the world, e.g. in California and Peru, have adopted an aggressive attitude towards restricting the use of proprietary(read Microsoft) software and favouring open source. Open source appeals to government bodies because of its high functionality, very low cost and easy compliance with licensing laws. Of course, Microsoft will try to persuade governments to avoid open source software. They realize that , when governments choose Microsoft as their foundation they are likely to select the whole suite of products to go with it rather than fight incompatibilities. In July 2002 the UK Government also announced a new policy on the use of open source software which favors a pragmatic approach. Back to the Peru case: Villanuevas point is that: Everybody has to deal with the government. If a government uses Microsoft software, its citizens will probably have to use the same software to communicate with it. A government web site that only supports Microsoft Internet Explorer would lock citizens into that Microsoft product. In contrast, government sites using open standards and avoiding patented software would allow citizens to choose between many different kinds of software to access the site. Free Software, also called Open Source, is itself a kind of open standard - its source code is its own reference. Developers of proprietary software can use that reference to create interoperating programs, without infringing on the actual Open Source code. Thus, when a government uses Open Source, it assures its citizens a choice to purchase both proprietary and Open Source software for communicating with their government. The people's choice will be based on factors like functionality, quality, and convenience, rather than on customer lock-in. Read more about this interesting happening at www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26616.html Also see: www.SincereChoice.com Ram

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IPSEC
by Girish Hanchate 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

Hi Same setup I have implemented in my 4 offices with linux using IPSEC . If you want more help u can contact me on 5295402 ext 416 rgds girish hi all i want to use two machines as gateways as > vpn > > for connecting two corporates > > also i want to use IPsec as firewall what can i do > > now??? > [snip] > readup freeswan.org. Thatz all u'll ever need. > > There r also numerous commercial implementations > of > FreeSwan available. C wat u find suitable. By far the best commercial product available is snapgear. Try www.snapgear.com. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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COMMENT: Ten ways to promote communication within a LUG...
by Frederick Noronha 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Ten ways to promote communication within a LUG: *********************************************************************** * Build a list of LUG speakers, and the topics they specialise on. * List readily available GNU/Linux software, where available, and under what terms it can be borrowed. * Set up your own website. * Mailing-lists play an important role for communicating between meetings. * List LUG members and contact details. * Try to get new LUG members to introduce themselves on the mailing list. * Expanding numbers is important * Report regularly on LUG meetings. This build bridges to those not present. * Plan for LUG meetings well in advance. Meetings with fixed agendas generally attract more people than vague, no-agenda meetings. * If nothing else works, trying to build more mini-LUGs in your area. You never know how many LUGs need to be set up to uncover hidden resources. [Compiled from various inputs by FN]

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anti simputer article
by Harsh R Busa 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

forwarded by a friend. have a look and give it a thought ----- Original Message ----- To: Harsh R Busa Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: check out site -- chk out this article --- first time i saw anyone being ANTI simputer [ and being so akalmand about it] http://www.worldtechtribune.com/worldtechtribune/asparticles/buzz/bz0919200…

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Clueless
by Anil Mare 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Hi All, Normal installation of RHL 7.2. Everything working fine. POP access from outlook fine. Browsing fine. SMTP access...krrrrrr...here is the porblem. when i send a small sized mail using the Linux SMTP, it goes. but the mails larger than 40-50 KB refuse.(i have allowed 5MB in sendmail!!).Amazingly i sent a mail sized 700 KB thru the same SMTP via internet. But y can't i send it in LAN. Any clues? Anil ----- Logix Consultancy Group Pvt. Ltd. Dadar, Mumbai. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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SOund Server Installation
by Bhargav Bhatt 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

Hi Luggerz! I installed Slackware 8.1 on my machine today and its unable to detect my sound card on system startup. I have a suspicion that the kernel on my pc was not the the one compiled with sound card support. However, i am not quite sure. My sound server is arts(under KDE) and as soon as i start KDE i get an error saying /dev/dsp could not be detected. Any solutions? -- Bhargav Bhatt.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is superblock?
by q u a s i 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

As an aside, I dont think you require the boot partition with the newer versions of Lilo do you? If you dont then you could just use the /boot partition for DOS. !

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lilo tragedy
by upendra gandhi 21 Sep '02

21 Sep '02

hi all I regret after installing lilo on /dev/hda1 where my win 98 was installed from /dev/hda2 which is root partition for RH linux bcoz i configured lilo.conf to install lilo boot loader on /dev/hda1 insted of /dev/hda and that caussedd win98 FAT16 partition's file allocation table get damaged now though the data is there around 1 gb (on 2047 MB partition c:) i am not able to read that drive......Well i have tried scandisk and accessing that drive from another partition like linux and other win 98 (/dev/hda4) but nothing works!!!!!!!!1 Well how can i get bak my important data?????????? thnkx in advance bye upendra gandhi CIW ASSOCIATE (Server Admin.Internetworking Professional, Security Professional) http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com pengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)hotpop.com "THE LIVING GOD IS WITHIN YOU" Dearest 'swami vivekananda' --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

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BBCTV focuses on GNU/Linux ...
by Frederick Noronha 21 Sep '02

21 Sep '02

Red Flag Linux... national pride... more reliable... cheaper... these are some of the keywords emerging from BBC TV ClickOnline's current program which focuses on GNU/Linux in China, apart from other issues. It was telecast on Saturday 21 Sept at 1200 IST (and next coming up on Sunday 22 Sept at 1600 IST and Tues 24 Sept at 1300 IST). An interesting programme, though as is typical of television, it only skims the surface of the issue. (You've guessed my biases when it comes to reading, radio and TV) "If you haven't heard of Linux, it does the same things as Windows. But unlike Windows (its code is freely available)." That's approximately how BBC introduces GNU/Linux. Many Free/Libre and Open Source Software enthusiasts might cringe to hear their favourite OS being compared to Windoze. But the programme makes the point that there are many reasons for a growing number (even if still a small segment of total computer users) opting for GNU/Linux in China. It's cheaper, more reliable, there are questions of national pride (building software indigenously), China's strategy of adopting and adapting, security flaws, and even suspicion of secret backdoors in closed-source proprietory software.... Perhaps the progamme could have mentioned that the international journal of the Free Software Foundation is today published from China... If interested, contact hongfeng(a)gnu.org This programme also has an interesting debate on the usual question: can China compete with Indian software... Do we have to see everything in terms of competition? Louisa Liu agrees that this needn't be so. On an offtopic subject, one learnt of a very interesting plan to teach Internet and computing to the elderly -- the oldest student being 85. Maybe we too could think of similar approaches. Why not? A good way of fighting both the digital and age-bias all in one. --FN PS: If you'd like to suggest future topics for programs to BBC, write in to clickonline(a)bbc.co.uk -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred(a)bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Resizing /
by q u a s i 21 Sep '02

21 Sep '02

At 07:25 morn 9/20/02 +0530, NJ wrote: >i wud like to resize / to make room for Dos. >is this possible? > >theres a tool called resize2fs , but havent used it i guess u gotta b >really careful with tools like this ... > >Can ny1 guide pls? ummm... till date I have only used fdisk which does anything. But you seem not to have any free space. So the only way to create a new partition is to divide an existing one. i.e. delete and then create 2 in place of the deleted one. Now the following method I propose is fraught with danger :D, but I have split a FAT partition with it once. Hopefully it will work on a ext[2/3] partition. But you simply *MUST* backup important files. It is really simple actually. #1. Make sure you have the latest stable release of fdisk. #2. Defrag the HDD (I used the norton scandisk as the partition I split was a dos one) #3. Delete the BIG partition #4. First recreate the partition you deleted - but without the bottom few cylinders required for the Dos partition. #5. Then create the Dos partition. Also, you can do ASM/DOS with a ~5-10Mb partition. So you may consider splitting your /boot or swap partitions if they have the space to spare. hth, quasi

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Agenda 4 upcoming workshop @ Sangli
by Trevor Warren 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

>Tahir says...... *************************** ********************* *************************** > Hi Trevor! > > Here's a compilation of the topics that can be taken > up in the > workshop: > > CORE DEVELOPMENT: > > - Introduction to C, C++ > - Linux Programming Environment > (coding, compilation, debugging and documentation) > - "Make"ing and Auto-tools > - Debugging (GDB, DDD, Strace, ElectricFence etc.) > - Static and Dynamic Libraries > - Curses > - Linux System Calls for I/O, Processes, IPC and > Networking > - Java Programming > > GUI PROGRAMMING and RAD TOOLS: > > - GTK > - QT > - Tcl/Tk > - Kylix > - KDevelop > > SCRIPTING: > > - Bash > - PHP > - Perl > - Python > > WEB DEVELOPMENT: > > - PHP > - Perl and CGI > - Zope > - MySQL > > This seems to be a handful but it feels quite > 'complete'. All the > best! > > -- > Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) > http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir > tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in > > We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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This is cool
by Tapeshwar Nath 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

>Brilliant!!! > > | Go to google's main page, > > | enter "go to hell" (including the quotes) > > | and hit the I feel lucky button. > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

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SCALE
by Satya 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

Southern CaliforniA Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/ There's an Expo by the USC LUG. If anyone's in or near L.A. around November 2, maybe you can attend. If ILUGBOM could do something like this, it'd be great. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> Shell to DOS...come in, DOS...do you read...over?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MASM in Linux
by Q u a s i 20 Sep '02

20 Sep '02

At 06:33 morn 9/19/02 +0530, NJ wrote: >On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 quasar(a)vsnl.net wrote: > > > There is also NASM native to Linux. > >i'm trying to learn Dos Assembly (int 21h nd stuff ) ..... In which case you are trying to learn real mode ASM programming? I have doubts that Dosemu will allow direct access to hardware. Linux does not easily allow it. The dosemu probably will be running in a virtual machine. If you are serious (about real mode asm), maybe you should consider installing Dos? I also did some assembler some time back :) - TASM/DOS. Also (if you dont already know) there is the Ralf Brown's Interrupt list. quasi

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[OT][Busybox Tutorial]
by Trevor Warren 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Hello luggers...;) This 1 os 4 those of u who r familiar or wanna get familiar with Embedded Gnu-Linux devices. http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/article018/00load.html Trevor ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re:lilo tragedy
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

On Thursday 19 September 2002 11:11, upendra gandhi wrote: > hi all > > I regret after installing lilo on /dev/hda1 where my win 98 was > installed from /dev/hda2 which is root partition for RH linux bcoz > > i configured lilo.conf to install lilo boot loader on /dev/hda1 > insted of /dev/hda and that caussedd win98 FAT16 partition's file > allocation table get damaged now though the data is there around 1 WARNING: I Am Not Responsible For the Consequences. lilo -u /dev/hda1 should restore the portion overwritten (this is saved in a file during installation). man lilo for further details. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

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