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Re: Problem with apache
by Sandeep 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Hey Kiran, My friend Ameya had the same prob. n he sayz u gotta set the var LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/ora8/m01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/lib/ where /ora8/m01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/ is the ORACLE_HOME dir n then... export LD_LIBRARY_PATH Do this on the console n then try startin Apache. Hope this helps dude. BTW, why dont u try out POSTGRESQL :) http://www.postgresql.org/ Sandeep --- "I am better off than he(a man reputed for wisdom) is, for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows; I neither know nor think that I know..." ~Plato #------------------------------------------- Kiran sayz: hi, i was tryin to install php 4 with oracle support and so configured it with the "--with-oracle=DIR" where DIR=$ORACLE_HOME option.After installin php i tried to restart apache but it gave me the followin error Starting service httpd: syntax error in httpd.conf failed can any1 help me with this regards, kiran #------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ *FREE* Web-based Email Accounts at BOX.COM - http://www.box.com/?i=2 Access Your Email from ANYWHERE!

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:::Debian:::
by Navin 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

>> I am coming for Philips lecture. >> I have the 3rd cd & I will get it today. >Gee thnx... I guess U might need it back - or Are u getting it so >that I can take it in exchange for money?? >If not, I will have to buy the media and try to get it written it at >NCST iteself... Pls let me know... asap. .Wots ur tel. no?? >Bye, >SP Its OK!! You can return the cd next time whenever we meet. Navin Dhanuka LinuxCAMPUS.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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(no subject)
by Rupesh 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Hi, I have configured Raid 1 on Intel 440GX Motherboard, 1GB RAM, 18 x 2 GB HDD, Intel SRC 31U Raid Card with 128 MB RAM. When I start installation of RH 7.1 is gives the following error message & exists the installation "No block device found" The installation aborts right in after it detects the mouse. After configuring RAID 1 on the System it shows 17GB as disk space (which it is doing correctly). Can anyone help me on this one. I need a solution to this problem very urgently. TIA -Rupesh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Problem with apache
by kiran 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

hi, i was tryin to install php 4 with oracle support and so configured it with the "--with-oracle=DIR" where DIR=$ORACLE_HOME option.After installin php i tried to restart apache but it gave me the followin error Starting service httpd: syntax error in httpd.conf failed can any1 help me with this regards, kiran ___________________________________________________________________ *FREE* Web-based Email Accounts at BOX.COM - http://www.box.com/?i=2 Access Your Email from ANYWHERE!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Pls suggest some lightweight desktop
by rahul saxena 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

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boot partition >1024 cylinders.
by shahazad＠linuxplanet.nu 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi all, i have a 20 GB HDD & have win2000 preinstalled on it with just one primary partition (C: drive). & the disk is filled upto 55% of its capacity, now i want to install Linux on it by making a another partition & installing 2 OS's over it which i have done many a times but as my current HDD has just 1 partition & is filled upto 10 GB i face a problem while installing RH 7.1 The error i am getting is --> boot partition >1024 cylinders. .. well i created the partition using *fips* utility which partitions without loosing the data on the drive present currently but when tried to install it gave me the error above again & again & was unable to install linux(sorry GNU/linux) ;) i guess this problem is becoz the boot partition or may be the primary partition shouldnt exceed 3 gb.. plz suggest me a solution ..i tried to find bootpartition software but i didnt get it on the net & also donno how to fiddle with it. Thanx cheers~ </shahazad> -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su

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Stallman lecture
by Satya 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I deleted the original message, so can't reply directly. Videotaping the lecture is a good idea; I don't suppose TIFR has already thought of that? Has anyone contacted the press? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> "Please feel free to blither now." -- THHGTTG

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re : dinner with rms
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

and ofcourse the winner will win the dinner with RMS on 18th. (Dinner is hosted by RH India and its Invitation only Dinner... Pls refer Parag's earlier mail I Seemed to be the only placard holder - so does the "only" placard holder at 2-30 am,become the best by default?? the message said "welcome St. Ignucius" and he saw it the moment he came out so at least it served its purpose well. Regards, Triptpal Singh There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, or control a firm resolve of a determined soul. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] boot partition >1024 cylinders
by Fart Crimson 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

You can find an article regarding Dual booting Linux/Win2k at http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/search/showarticle.asp?artid=15488 Fart

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Reminder: ACM Seminar on Regular Expressions, Friday 20/7
by Durgesh D Rao 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Dear Colleague, This is to remind you of the following ACM event. Regards, - Durgesh ACM Seminar Friday, July 20, 2001 - 6:30 p.m. Title: Regular Expressions Speaker: Philip Tellis Venue: Lecture Theatre, NCST, Juhu Abstract: Whether you're a programmer, system administrator, or just someone who wants to run a very finely tuned search, regular expressions make your job much simpler - if you know how to use them well. A regex is a grammar, built specifically to match patterns in large amounts of text. Once you start using regular expressions, you'll wonder how you ever got along without them. Languages like awk, perl, python, elisp, etc. and editors like vi and emacs have built-in regular expression parsers, while the unix command line provides us with the all powerful grep and sed. We will introduce regular expressions using some common shell utilities, and then proceed to look at advanced concepts in perl. So, as they say at Bell Labs Unix: Reach out and grep someone. About the Speaker: Philip Tellis has been programming in various languages since 1985. He started using Unix and perl as late as 1999, and never looked back. He uses regular expressions during the course of a normal day. Be it writing perl, shell scripting, grepping his file system, or just a file in vi, the regex is something he cannot do without. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Durgesh D Rao (DDR) | Email: durgesh(a)ncst.ernet.in Research Scientist, KBCS Division | Ph: 6201606x372(w), 7563437(r) National Centre for Software Technology | Fax: +91-22-6210139 Gulmohar Rd 9, Juhu, Mumbai 400049, INDIA.| Web: www.ncst.ernet.in/~durgesh ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Tutorial series - Pine part I
by Philip S Tellis 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Making effective use of Pine - I ================================ I decided to start this series with pine, because, along with lynx, it was one of the first Unix programs that I ever used. For this, I thank vsnl for giving students shell accounts, and not full fledged ppp dial-ins. During the course of these tutorials, we will learn how to use pine as an effective mail and news reader, and hopefully increase productivity as well. Some important things to note though, Pine was developed by the University of Washington as a Program for Internet News and Email. Hence the name. Pine could also mean Pine Is Not Elm, but that's a different story altogether. Pine was initially designed for inexperienced users, so if you fall in that category, you have no excuse for not using it. If you're an advanced user, pine has features for you too. One last point before we start using pine. It is not licenced under the GPL. The licence allows you to see the source, and even to modify it, but not to redistribute modified versions of its source. Now, on with the show. To start pine, one would normally type pine at the shell prompt: $ pine This brings you to the main screen. The most important thing you need to know here is, Q is to quit. Now, read what's on screen. The menus are self explanatory, use the cursor keys to move up and down, or just press the access key marked to the left of each command. To get back to this screen from almost anywhere, press M. At the bottom, we have a complete menu that is always available to us. Press O to see some more commands in this list. Now, lets move on to composing mail. Most of you would have figured out how to compose a mail by now, if you didn't already know it. We'll jump straight to advanced compose options. Get into compose mode (you've got to figure this out yourself). While you're in the header section, have a look at the menu at the bottom of the compose screen. Now move down to the body section and see what the menu changes too. In fact, if you look closely, you'll notice the options changing for every header field that you're on. While in header mode, there's one particular entry called `Rich Hdr'. The access key for this command is Ctrl+R. It's actually marked as ^R, because ^ is the common way of denoting a control character. We will use Ctrl+R because we aren't really running short of space. Press Ctrl+R while in the header of your message. If you've ever used mail before, you're certain to have received spam. Ever notice how your address is not included in the header, but the mail still gets to you. Well, you can do something similar through pine, although we don't want to start spamming. The Bcc: header, which shows up after you press Ctrl+R lets you do this. The format is the same as the To: and Cc: fields. You can enter a comma separated list of addresses here, any number of them, and no one will be any wiser. None of the addresses included in the Bcc: field show up in the recipients mail. In fact, there is no Bcc: field in the received mail (Some mail clients and servers are broken, and don't always honour this). We also notice a few other fields called Newsgrps, Fcc and Lcc. Newsgrps is basically a list of newsgroups that you want to post your message to. You'd typically not use both a To, and a Newsgrp, although you can. We won't delve into this too much, because chances are, if you're using a newsgroup, you don't really need this document. Fcc and Lcc are slightly confusing, because they aren't part of standard mail headers. They don't show up on received mail. Actually, they aren't even included in the mail you send. Looking at the default value for Fcc, it's easy to figure out that that's how all mails you send end up in your sent-mail folder. Fcc stands for File Carbon Copy, and is the name of a (mail) folder where sent mail will be saved, *before* it is actually sent. This is important to remember, because if pine cannot write the mail to the Fcc folder, it will not send it. You could delete the entry in the Fcc: field to not save your outgoing mail. We'll see later how to do this permanently. Lcc stands for list carbon copy, and is something unique to pine. It is similar to the Bcc: field, except that one can enter the name of a distribution list here. Pine will expand the addresses in the distribution list in the Lcc: field, and put the name of the list in the To: field. Each person listed in the Lcc: field receives a copy of the mail, but all they see is the name of the list without any of the addresses. We'll see later how to create a distribution list. The next field is Attchmnt, and is where you specify a list of files that you want to attach to your outgoing mail. You can use Ctrl+T to select files from your directory, or type in the file name itself. Files are encoded using Base64 encoding. We don't really need to know what that is, because all mail programs understand it, and will happily decode it for you. What you do need to know, is that base64 encoding will always increase your file's size by 133% (in English, that means that the attached file will be a third larger than the original file). If your file is plain text, and doesn't have any lines longer than about 72-74 characters, it might be a good idea to just paste it in the body of the mail. Which is what we talk about next. Actually, we'll talk about it just after this short note about the subject. The subject field is one of the most important fields as far as the recipient is concerned. It should tell the recipient as much as possible about the mail, while still being less than 40-50 characters in length. Many people read mail selectively based on the subject (especially when they receive a large number of mails), so be sure to always use a meaningful subject in formal correspondence. Now, we come down to the body section. I'm assuming you already know by now how to type your mail. Pasting the contents of a file into the mail body is even easier. Just use Ctrl+R (Yes, the same Ctrl+R, it has a different meaning here). In the body, Ctrl+R stands for Read file, and you've got to give it a file name. You could use Ctrl+T just as in the attachment case above to select a file from your directory, and in really new versions of pine, you could also paste the contents of another message. I'll leave that for you to figure out. That's it for this installment. For now, you should try out the address book feature from the main menu. Add all your friends' and family members' addresses to it. We'll use it the next time. Philip -- The clothes have no emperor. -- C.A.R. Hoare, commenting on ADA. Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Telnet
by noel seq 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

>>Helo Krishnan, >>inetd folder as well as inetd.conf file is not there. I am >>using version >>7.1 >>Thanks >>======================= >>Darshan S. Wakchaure >>======================= it is in /etc noel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Pine - IV
by Philip S Tellis 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Making effective use of Pine - IV ================================= Today we'll look at advanced commands in pine. The first option is enable-aggregate-command-set. This allows you to apply a single command to a group of messages. Useful if you want to delete or save all messages that meet some common criteria. The next option, enable-bounce-cmd, is used to bounce messages. If you've ever received mail that you wanted forwarded, but wanted to make it look like it had come from the original sender, then use the bounce command. The access key for bouncing a message is B. You may want to enable the flag commands, which allow you to set certain flags on messages. You could flag a message as important, so that it shows up with an asterisk in your message index. You can also use these to unset the Answered, Deleted or New flags. Enable-full-header allows you to use the H access key to see the full header of received messages. This is useful if you want to see the full path that the mail has travelled to get from its source to its destination. Enable-goto-in-file-browser allows you to tell the file browser exactly which directory you want to go to by typing in its path. This is useful if you need to attach files that are not in the current directory. It's much faster than navigating to the directory every time. Enable-jump-shortcut allows you to jump directly to a message in your message index by typing in its number and pressing Enter. Enable-partial-match-lists and enable-tab-completion affect the behaviour of selection entries. For example, if you wanted to save a message to another folder, just pressing s and Ctrl+X (for the partial match), will show you all folders that start with s. Alternately, if one presses sa<Tab>, and there is only one folder starting with sa, then the folder name is automatically completed. This is similar to the way commands are completed in bash. In Advanced User Preferences, the few that you may want to set include auto-move-read-msgs, enable-mouse-in-xterm, enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon, save-will-advance, and use-current-dir. The first will move read messages to the read-messages folder when closing the folder, if one was set. We'll see more on this when we deal with incoming-folders. Save-will-advance moves to the next message after saving the message. Use-current-dir uses the directory that pine was started in as the default for Takes and Exports. If you find yourself using the same set of commands every time you start pine, for example, pressing I to get to the message index, you may want to put those commands in the initial-keystroke-list. Anything put here will be treated as if you entered it through the keyboard when starting pine. Moving down, we come to character-set. It will normally be set to US-ASCII, but too many people today use iso-8859-1, so it may make sense to set it to this. If you have a favourite text editor (pine's default is pico), then you can set that in editor. vi seems to be a good choice. The speller is the program that is called when you do a Ctrl+T in compose mode. It is supposed to check and correct spellings. The default is the unix spell command that only returns a list of misspelled words. Do not set this value to spell, leave it blank instead. The composer-wrap-column is the column number where the composer will wrap long lines. Setting it to something like 72 or 74 will take care of extra characters added by the reply indent string set when replying to messages. The reply-indent-string is by default set to >. It's probably not a good idea to change this, because many mail clients rely on this string to display original text and current text in different styles. The reply-leading is what shows up at the top of the message when you choose to include the original text in the reply. Pine has a very customisable reply-leadin, but you'll have to explore that on your own. It allows you to include conditions, and variables in your leadin. Display and sending filters can be used to modify mails before sending or after receiving. A typical use of this would be to sign your mails with PGP and then to decode it when received. Alt-addresses are a very useful feature when replying to mails. Let's say you have many email accounts, and you use pine to read all of them. When you reply to a message, and choose to reply to all recipients, pine will also reply to all your other addresses. By putting those addresses in here, pine will detect that they are your addresses, and that they shouldn't be included in the reply list. url-viewers, which is the last option that we will modify, allows you to set the program that is spawned to view urls in the mail. You'd probably want to start something like netscape if you are running X, but lynx or some other text browser if you are not. I have my url-viewers set to this: _TEST("test -L $HOME/.netscape/lock")_ "/usr/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL(_URL_, new-window)' &" _TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ "/usr/bin/netscape _URL_ &" "/usr/bin/lynx _URL_" Yes, all three lines. Pine will execute everything in _TEST()_ and if it evaluates to true, will execute the rest of that line. Over here, I first check to see if netscape is already running, if so, then call netscape -remote. If not, then if the DISPLAY variable is set, call netscape. If the DISPLAY variable is not set, then call lynx. You could probably omit the first line, because your netscape startup script already does that check. Notice that netscape is started in the background, while lynx isn't. This is so because lynx runs in the same window as pine (in the shell), while netscape starts its own window. It's not easy to enter this string in the configuration screen, so you may want to type it directly into your .pinerc file. Just search for url-viewers. The next time, we'll look at incoming-folders, and that will conclude this series on pine. There's obviously much more you can do, but you'll have to figure that out yourself. This should get you started on your way. -- "Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing." -- Karl Lehenbauer Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] suggest lightweight desktop
by Fart Crimson 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

IceWM at www.icewm.org

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ACM Seminar
by Philip S Tellis 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Just to remind you'll, I'll be giving an ACM Seminar on regular expressions at NCST on Friday the 20th July 2001. All are welcome to attend. Hope this is sufficient advance notice for those who stay far away. Philip -- It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -- Kehlog Albran, "The Profit" Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Telnet
by Darshan.wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Helo Krishnan, inetd folder as well as inetd.conf file is not there. I am using version 7.1 Thanks ======================= Darshan S. Wakchaure ======================= "S. Krishnan" <sri_krishnan(a)yahoo.com To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] (no subject) linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug- bom.org.in 19-07-2001 01:36 PM Please respond to linuxers --- Darshan.wakchaure(a)lntinfotech.com wrote: > Hi, > Having problem telnetting to Linux machine. > I have installed PCQ7.1 RHL7.1 based Linux on my > server. But unable to get > thru the telnet issue. > Getting "connection refused" error, for which i > checked telnetting from > server and found that the service itself is not up, > how do i start it ?? su to root, edit /etc/inetd.conf, and uncomment the telnet entry (and the entries for any other service that you may want to enable that is listed in inetd.conf). Also, be sure to read the documentation (man pages) for inetd and inetd.conf. Rgds, Krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. Linuxers mailing list Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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(no subject)
by Darshan.wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi, Having problem telnetting to Linux machine. I have installed PCQ7.1 RHL7.1 based Linux on my server. But unable to get thru the telnet issue. Getting "connection refused" error, for which i checked telnetting from server and found that the service itself is not up, how do i start it ?? Thanks ======================= Darshan S. Wakchaure =======================

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Re: lpr
by Raju Bathija 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Dear Mr Krishnan, Your wrote: >Check (on the remote machine) >- the permissions on the /var/spool directory and >subdirs Many many thanks for your helpful hint. Yes, indeed the subdir in /var/spool which in the remote system is laser4 had rwx only for user and no rx permission for group and others. By giving the rx permission for all, it solved the problem. Thanks again. Sincerely, -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raju Bathija | bathija(a)tifr.res.in | http://theory.tifr.res.in/~bathija -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux, the choice | To teach is to learn. of a GNU generation -o) | Kernel 2.2.14-5. /\ | on a i686 _\_v | |

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some trouble in posting
by Harshal Patil 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

i can't post regularly. ie. sometimes it's OK sometimes ot gives me following error. The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in'. Subject 'debain cds', Account: 'imap.sify.com', Server: 'smtp.sify.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '553 sorry, that domain isn't allowed to be relayed thru this MTA (#5.7.1)', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 553, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in'. Subject 'debain cds', Account: 'imap.sify.com', Server: 'smtp.sify.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '553 sorry, that domain isn't allowed to be relayed thru this MTA (#5.7.1)', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 553, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 -- Registered Linux User #188850 Don't get mad, get Linux! --

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testing
by Harshal Patil 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Sorry, just testing. having some problems in posting. -- Registered Linux User #188850 Don't get mad, get Linux! --

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debain cds
by Harshal Patil 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

anybody got the latest version of debain GNU/linux?(i should have mentioned this in my earlier post, but forgot:) ) me & my friend use mandrake 8. it's good, but just can't see averything going so nicely over such long duration on my PC, so searching for new challege :) -- Registered Linux User #188850 Don't get mad, get Linux! --

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StarOffice 5.2
by Harshal Patil 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

anybody have the CD of StarOffice 5.2? -- Registered Linux User #188850 Don't get mad, get Linux! --

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux (start luv all)
by Nikhil Karkera 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Satya <satyap(a)satya.virtualave.net> wrote: I asked RMS if we can, in context, refer to the thing as "GL" instead of speaking "GNU/Linux" every time. He said it's okay. This makes us the I-GLUG-BOM members :-) ----------------- End ----------------------- Or maybe even the Ignulugans! (e gnu loo guns) Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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(no subject)
by Fart Crimson 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Subject: Completely agree with Haig (Sagar!!??) Yeah Man, MS Outlook Express really ROCKS!!!!! It kills the competition! Mutt can't even come close to it Yooohoooo :)) I LOVE MS Outlook Expre........HUh! wha!? whats going on?? Oh My God!! MY FILES....they are....getting deleted! DAMMIT! why did I have to download this message!!!??? It executed a Script and now my files are gone :(( Fart PS: I will try not to tear off my D*** in frustration

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] help for linux beginer
by Nikhil Karkera 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- ketan shah <coolketone(a)yahoo.com> wrote: i have just started with linux but i don't know what are the various commands and their use so is there any good book or some tutorial which will help me. ---------------- End ------------------------ If you are looking for a book in hard copy then "Shell Programming in Unix" by Yashwant Kanetkar is a good place to start. This book is however about Unix and not GNU/Linux, so it will only serve the purpose of shell commands, learning vi, and ofcourse shell programming. I think the book will cost you about Rs.175/= But you can always find many many tutorials on the Net. These will be a good place to know about commands. To further learn about them, the man pages should be sufficient. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ http://www.monsterindia.com - The Best Jobs. For the Best Minds.

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Memory problems [was: Pls suggest some lightweight desktop]
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Philip wrote: >Add free buffers to free memory to get actual values. Therefore, your >free is 32, not 1. This makes sense. The kernel allocates all free >memory to buffers and cache, because there's no sense in leaving it >unused. If you have 32 MB free memory, then what was the point in >buying it? When any program requires memory, it will be allocated from >the buffers. As long as the swap is practically empty, your system is making optimum use of the memory ... the more physical RAM that you throw at the system, the more it is going to fill it up with stuff hoping to make optimum use of available resources. If the RAM is inadequate, one strategy the system will use is to cut back on the amount of memory allocated to processes, by loading lesser number of pages from each process. It all has to do with virtual memory management ... SameerDS. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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India's contribution to Linux
by Srikanth R P 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Dear Friends, This is Srikanth RP from Express Computer, an IT business news magazine from the Indian Express group. As I am planning an article on 'India's contribution to Linux', I would like your views on the same. Please spare some time to answer the following questions. 1. Why do you think Linux is important to India? 2. Have Indians contributed to the growth of Linux? Can you mention some names or examples? Have any Indians contributed to the development of the Kernel? 3. What do you think about the Linux movement in India? What is the current scenario? Why companies like IBM are keen on promoting Linux? 4. Has the Indian government showing a keen interest in Linux ? Can you mention some names and examples? 5. Do you know of any companies in India who have developed applications for the Linux platform? 6. What do you think should be done to promote the growth of Linux in India? Thanks and regards, Srikanth RP Reporter Express Computer Srikanth RP ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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lpr
by Raju Bathija 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hi, Can someone suggest a solution for this lpr problem. When lpr command is given, lpq gives the following error message: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ no space on remote; waiting for queue to drain ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The machine through which the printer is connected is using Red Hat 7.0 and uses LPRing and the machine from where print command is given uses Red Hat 6.1 and uses lpr. Both the machines have more than 100 MB space free in / partition. The printing used to work fine a few days ago. Thanks. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raju Bathija | bathija(a)tifr.res.in | http://theory.tifr.res.in/~bathija -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux, the choice | Clay's Conclusion: Creativity is great, of a GNU generation -o) | but plagiarism is faster. Kernel 2.2.14-5. /\ | on a i686 _\_v | |

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Sendmail conf problems
by Dasi Satish 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Dear Linuxers, Please help me out with this. I have configured Sendmail as my mail server and have also installed imap. My problem is that i am able to send mail from my mail clients like Messenger but my incoming mail is handled by the linux system not my mail client. Please tell me as to how to disable this so that my Mail Clients are able to send and receive mail. Thanx in advance. Satish

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] help for linux beginer
by Nikhil Karkera 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- "Navin" <navin_dhanuka(a)yahoo.com> wrote: The Unix Programming Environment - Kernighan & Pike.. Shell Programming.. - Kanetkar.. The second book must be available on every leading computer book shop. The first book is the best book & can be said as an authority for Newbees. Around 360 pages, but its rare, so you can xerox it from me (if u want). Xeroxing at Mitibai costs 0.25 @page so it 90/- & for spiral binding 25/-. ----------------- End ------------------------ I believe Xerox copying of (most) books is illegal. I know this is not an issue for GNU/Linux, but I guess its similar. There are laws about copying and distributing books. We've all copied books from friends at some point, but atleast let's not make it seem to be ok on a public list. And I guess the authors of the concerned book deserve the royalties anyway, if it indeed is such a good book :) Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ http://www.monsterindia.com - The Best Jobs. For the Best Minds.

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Re: Philip/Quasi/Link of articles
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Why increase the size of the digest/mails .. Could Philip pls. give us a link instead , unless I am not seeing some point he thought of. btw, neat idea Philip ...pls keep up the good work,helps newbies like me Regards, Triptpal Singh There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, or control a firm resolve of a determined soul. ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:40:53 +0530 > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > From: Q u a s i <quasiabhi(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Sgtn: Pine Tutorials > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > It might be a good Idea to put up the pine tutorials by Philip on the > (G/L)UG site for future reference, wouldn't it? > > quasi > > -- postscript -- > > Math is like love -- a simple idea but it can get complicated. > -- R. Drabek > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Problems with Kernel 2.4
by Paresh Chodpekar 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

I am using Suse Linux 7.1, it has two precompiled kernels ie 2.2.18 & 2.4. During the installation I had installed both the kernels. Now I am able to boot correctly using the 2.2.18 kernel. However when i try to boot using the 2.4 kernel i always have some kind of problems. The problem usually arises at the last stage. The system boots correctly and the graphical login is displayed. But after login the system either sys it cannot setup IPC or the xserver crashes & i am returned to the login. The login works correctly in X (so i suppose there is no problen with the xserver). Please do provide a simple answer to my problem. I am still a bigenner with linux. ( I guess there is some probelm in the precompiled kernel. Can i use the 2.4.6 kernel proveided in he last PCQ cd ?) Thanx in advance Paresh C

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L in inlux is not for the Pound Sign
by Anand 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hello mayuresh, I believe you are asking the wrong question at the wong place. This is not M$ world. The software is given for fukat(free) and the support is only charged. the user has a right to modify the original program and redistribute it. This is linux. please do not change the L to Pound sign. Anand Original message from mayuresh follows.... how do s/w vendors ensure that a customer who buys a CD can use it to install the s/w only on his computer and if he takes a CD dump, the second CD will be of no use to anybody else? i guess there must be many techniques to do that but which one is used frequently? thanks a lot.. mayuresh kulkarni

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Free Software & Open Source Software
by sandeep 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Free Software: Here's part o' my paper that I will publish soon that might help clear up the "issue" some people have with the "freedom" that GPL provides : start-------------------------------------------- excerpt from "Copyleft Sucks" by Sandeep Copyright (C) 2001 Sandeep, Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium, provided the copyright notice and this notice are preserved. --snip-- Freedom to me is the ability to make choices and to carry them out, but in a social environment, freedom requires a legal and institutional framework. Here is the paradox, on the one hand for a person to have complete freedom, he must be able to make choices and carry them out without being controlled by anyone else, but on the other hand, in a social setting, one persons choices affect another and hence, in a free society, we need laws to distribute the condition of freedom equally among all the people. Therefore, from a legal point of view, people are free if society imposes no unjust limits on them and also protects their rights. That is, the law both limits and protects the freedom of an individual. For example, it forbids people to steal from others, but it also guarantees that people will be free from being robbed. --snip-- end--------------------------------------------- This is exaclty how the GNU GPL functions. It is not totally free of constraints but these restrictions r very nessecary -they limit but only to protect. Sandeep --- "The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good, in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it." ---John Stuart Mill ___________________________________________________________________ *FREE* Web-based Email Accounts at BOX.COM - http://www.box.com/?i=2 Access Your Email from ANYWHERE!

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Sgtn: Pine Tutorials
by Q u a s i 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

It might be a good Idea to put up the pine tutorials by Philip on the (G/L)UG site for future reference, wouldn't it? quasi -- postscript -- Math is like love -- a simple idea but it can get complicated. -- R. Drabek __________________________________________________ \?/ .Quasi. (0-0) ( | ) <quasiabhi(a)yahoo.com> ( v ) yahoo messenger : quasiabhi __| |__ / \ Protect OUR Earth.

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Pine - III
by Philip S Tellis 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Making effective use of Pine - III ================================== In the last issue, we learnt how to use our address books to best effect. There's much more that you can do with your address book. You should experiment with the different menu options available in the address book screen. Use Ctrl+G for help on any screen. Even the help screen. Just for safety, you'd probably want to back up your address book before you fool around with options. I don't think you'd mess anything up, but even so, your address book is stored as two files in your home directory, aptly named .addressbook and .addressbook.lu, the latter being an index of your address book. Today, we'll look at the different configuration options, and set some of them to make the most out of pine. You'll have to get to the configuration screen for this. I think you know how. The first thing I generally do, is set the default-fcc to a blank value. I do this because I don't like to save sent mail. This is really a personal decision, so I'll let you make it. You could change the value if you want. Alternately, you could set a different sent-mail folder for each person that you send mail to. We saw this in the address book. We next go down to Composer Preferences. It makes sense to turn on search and replace. This is disabled by default, because it would only confuse novice users. This option changes the behaviour of the Ctrl+W key in compose mode from search, to search and replace. You should probab try a search and replace right now, just to see how it works. I'm not going to tell you. The next option I enable is sigdashes. Sigdashes are a special character sequence used to separate the mail from its signature. The sequence is "\n-- \n" without the quotes. For those of you who aren't programmers, this means the enter key, followed by two dashes, followed by a space, followed by the enter key again. I guess the big question on everybody's mind right now is, "Why do we need a fixed sequence for something as insignificant as this? Why can't everyone just decide how to do it on their own?". Valid questions, and here's the valid answer. Standards are good. By using a standard separator, mail clients can easily separate the body from the signature without the user's intervention. With sigdashes enabled, if you include the original message in your replies, pine will automatically strip everything from the sigdashes onwards. The advantage of this, is that your mail doesn't get cluttered with everyone else's signatures. The disadvantage, which should be obvious now is, what if one really wants to include the other person's signature? I think that is easily accomplished through copy-paste. The second thing that sigdashes does, is automatically include the sigdashes before your signature in all outgoing mail. This of course happens only if you have a signature. The next option I enable is quell-dead-letter-on-cancel. If you've ever cancelled a mail, you'll notice that it saves the cancelled mail as a file called dead-letter in your home directory. Often, this file is saved with permissions depending on your default umask (don't worry if you don't know what that means). If you have a non-restrictive umask, this could be saved with world readable permissions, which means anyone can read mail you've cancelled. Besides, it takes up disk space. Quelling it means that dead.letter won't be saved. The advantage is that you don't have to delete it everytime you quit pine. Next, we come to Reply Preferences. The only option that you really want to enable is signature-at-bottom. All this does, is to put your signature right at the bottom of the mail, even if you include the original message in your reply. The option after that - strip-from-sigdashes-on-reply basically does the first part of enable-sigdashes without doing the second. This only applies if you didn't select enable-sigdashes. In Sending Preferences, the only option I have is use-sender-not-x-sender. This makes your mail more standards compliant, but has little effect on anything else. You'll notice its positive effects only in rare cases, but I recommend turning it on anyway. The next block is where pine really shines above all other mail user agents. Folder preferences along with a few features give you amazing power to categorise your mails. The first two options go hand in hand. Combined-folder-display affects how folders show up in the folder list screen. By default, only collections are shown (eg: incoming folders, mail folders, newsgroups). Selecting one of these collections will show you all folders in that collection. If this is what you do everytime, you may want to enable it by default. The previous option, combined-subdirectory-display affects how subdirectories in folders are displayed. By default, they show up in a separate screen. Enabling this feature will allow them to show up in the same screen as all your other folders. The only problem you'll face with these options is that if your folder list exceeds one screenful, pine will take a few seconds to format the scrolling display. That's not too much of an issue for most people. We will also enable expanded-view-of-folders here. By default, pine will only expand one collection at a time. To have all your collections expanded, select this option. It allows you to see all your folders at a single glance. Finally, to avoid unnecessary clutter, we'll enable quell-empty-directories. This causes empty directorie to be hidden from the folder list. It doesn't delete the directory, but merely hides it from view. The last option I enable here is enable-incoming-folders. This is sort of an advanced option, and I'll deal with it later when we do incoming folders. We probably won't need to change address book settings, except maybe setting an expanded-view-of-distribution-lists. This will show us all addresses under the distribution list instead of just the name. The problem here is that it may take ages to actually scroll through your entire address book. In Message Index Preferences, I only have delete-skips-deleted enabled. This saves me the time of moving past deleted messages in the index, by jumping over a whole group of deleted messages at a time. When you try it, you'll know what I mean. In viewer preferences, I have almost all options enabled. Attachments, urls, web-hostnames and addresses. The first allows one to click (or press enter) on an attachment, and have that attachment shown in its default viewer. The second does that with urls (even in plain text email), and the third with web hostnames. Pine figures that anything starting with "www." is a web hostname, so you could get false hits with this. Addresses is for email addresses, or more correctly, anything with an @ in it. Selecting this item will send mail to the specified address. Pine by default doesn't handle anything other than email (and news), but it lets you specify any kind of viewer that you may want for each mime type. We'll see how to do this later. I would normally have enabled prefer-plain-text, but due to the proliferation of html mail these days, I chose not to. Most of the remaining commands in pine are advanced, so we'll handle them in a later section. For now, experiment with everything we've done today. Try enabling and disabling different features to see how it makes a difference. Read help on each of the features that you've changed. -- Economists state their GNP growth projections to the nearest tenth of a percentage point to prove they have a sense of humor. -- Edgar R. Fiedler Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re:Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help Me
by Paresh Chopdekar 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

On Jul 12 Kinjal Sonpal wrote, >As mentioned in my earlier mail,u have to download the >driver >file from the motorola's site .. >Here's the URL: >http://e->www.motorola.com/products/softmodem/support/sm56_5.1_i38 >6.rpm > >And before downloading, don't forget to read the docs >that >they've put up on the above mentioned link's parent >page which is > >http://e->www.motorola.com/products/softmodem/support/software.htm >l > >So,after u download the RPM file install the file using >(Log in >as root) > >$ rpm -Uvh sm56.rpm (Replace sm56.rpm with >whichever file u've >downloaded) >$ /usr/local/sm56 >$ reboot (I'm not very sure why we need reboot,but it >din't work >for me .. I had to reboot) > >They've also got a man page for the modem which u can >read by >typing > >$ man sm56 > >And voila! yr SM56 Internal modem is ready !! >As of now I'm using SuSE 7.1(Thanks to Navin for >giving me the >CDs) and the above mentioned procedure worked for >me .. >However it failed in Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 .. May be >the older >kernel was the problem .. First of all thanks for the soulution to my problem. But I would like to ask what kernel vewrsion are you using? I tried to use the 2.4 version but found it very problematic. Is the 2.4 version shipped with Suse Linux 7.1 good enough for you? I actually went back to use the 2.2.18 kernal. About the driver from the motorola site i tried it out. It looks good, but does it work with 2.2.18 kernel? And about the Roltanet connection , >Is there anyone one the lug who is using RoltaNet's >dialup net >services? I've been facing problems in connecting to the >RoltaNet >.. >The logs say that I can connect to their server but then >while >logging on to the network, the connection hangs ,, And it >even >blocks my internal modem,i.e. I can't even kill the >connection .. >If anyone was successful in setting up dialup connection >to the >RoltaNet then please help me .. >Connection to the VSNL dialup connection is absolutely >fine and >to my surprise it's much faster than what I used to get >with >Windows !! I use Roltanet in windows, but due to my modem not yet working in linux i have not been able to connect in linux. Please do tell me how you did it in linux? And about the speed differences in win & lin it may well be due to better implementation of the TCP/IP in linux than in Windows. Bye for now

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Newbie needs help
by Deepak Kashyap 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hi everyone I have installed linux from PCQ CD it's based on redhat 7.1 Now my problem When I start my netscape prowser on linux box It is unable to open the localhost whose domainname is loaclhost.localdomain I am able to http:// to my win machine running PWS but not telnet http:// or ftp to linux box How do I do this.. Do I need to install samba. Thanking you Deepak _____________________________________________________________ Get your own OYE ID at http://www.oye91.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Newbie needs help
by Amish Mehta 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hello, >When I start my netscape prowser on linux box It is unable to open the localhost whose domainname is loaclhost.localdomain > >I am able to http:// to my win machine running PWS but not telnet http:// or ftp to linux box I guess you are talking about http://localhost or http://127.0.0.1. > >How do I do this.. You need to have apache web server(httpd) running your machine. You can do it by using linuxconf and/or ntsysv. Where you can enable wu-ftpd, telnet too for ftp access to linux box. Tip: You might want to use ssh instead of telnet. > >Do I need to install samba. I dont think you need samba atleast for this. Amish.

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RMS Lecture!!! (OT)
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hi There, The lecture today was really nice!!! We Luggers missed Nagarjun and Philip - It was a very nice and successful effort on part of all the organisers. Bye, SP Pls. note: - My Email ID has changed from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com to neosurya(a)yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Using AVG antivirus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Organised Q-A session (was: craps not allowed)
by Nikhil Karkera 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- "Harshal Patil" <harshal1234(a)sify.com> wrote: after attaining Stallem's lecture i think there were some people in that hall, who will newer understand the meaning of that "free". nomatter how well you explain them it's all in vien. ----------------- End ---------------------- Firstly, many thanks to everyone involved in organising this rare experience, and doing it well. However, the Question-Answer session produced some unwanted (and embarassing) moments. That is always the case when the lecture is open and the audience not properly aware of the subject and the speaker. What we did in our college during such lectures was to let the audience submit their questions on a piece of paper during the lecture (or after), to the organisers. Then filter out repeats, or unnecessary questions, and have one of the organisers read out the questions at the end. The RMS lecture is over now, but maybe this is what can be done for future such lectures. The Return of RMS perhaps? ;) Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ http://www.monsterindia.com - The Best Jobs. For the Best Minds.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Licence for using Linux
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

noel seq spewed into the ether: >I would like to know what are the licences that i will have to purchase. Can >i install Linux from my chip cd / PCQ cd which i have with me. Will i have >to purchase a cd for my co as well as my sister co. Yes. you can use PCQL, or the chip CD. One CD set will be enough. You don't need to buy additional CDs. >AS of now i am using linux installed from PCQ cd on my terminal and on my >proxy, mail server. > >Also, I need some advice for the programs that i will need to replace my >mail client, browser, etc, how to use foxpro under linux, etc. Mail clients: Kmail, Mutt, Netscape Mail, Mozilla mail, Balsa, Pine, ....... Browsers: Netscape, Konqueror, Lynx, Links, Mozilla, Opera, ........ Dunno about Foxpro, maybe you will have to use DOSemu. Or you could change to a full fledged database like Postgres/MySQL. Devdas Bhagat -- Its impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. >Thanks in advance. > >Noel >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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RE: Re: [ILUG-BOM] (no subject)
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Satya spewed into the ether: <snip> ># echo "Blame Devdas for what happens next"|wall ># shutdown -h now Shutdown does a wall, or equivalent by itself. #shutdown -h now "Blame Satya for using two commands instead of one" Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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RMS Visit.
by dinesh＠indiamail.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi All, There is change of schedule. Lug members will be meeting RMS during Lecture only... Plans for welcomeing him at Airport is still on so those who plan to come to Airport pls come by 1:00am Tuesday (Monday mid-Night) with ur creative play cards... and ofcourse the winner will win the dinner with RMS on 18th. (Dinner is hosted by RH India and its Invitation only Dinner... Pls refer Parag's earlier mail) HTH with regards -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Meeting with RMS
by dinesh＠indiamail.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi Everyone, As per schedule RMS will be arriving on tomorrow morning 1.00 am. To give him a warm welcome we would like people to come to the airport with ingenious and creative play cards. Those who are planning to come please reach the International Airport by 12.30 mid-night today. The person with the most creative slogan will win a lunch with RMS at TIFR on Tuesday. Also all members are welcome to attend the meeting with RMS at TIFR at 12:30 pm on Tuesday. This is specially planned meeting for LUG members to have closer interaction with RMS. Also the public lecture of RMS is at TIFR Auditorium at 5.00 pm as planned and everybody in request to be there in time. HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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Pine - II
by Philip S Tellis 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Making effective use of Pine - II ================================= The last time we learnt how to use different mail headers in pine, and I hope you've built up a sizeable address book. Today we'll learn how to use this address book effectively. We'll also learn how to create our own mail headers to maybe be a little naughty. To start with, let's compose a mail to someone in our address book. Enter your address book, and scroll down to the person you want to compose a mail to. If your list is too long, you could always use the Where Is command (W or Ctrl+W) to find it. Press C to compose a mail to this person, and voila, you're in compose mode with the person's email address in the To: field. At this point, it is probably important to understand when one uses Ctrl+access key and when just a plain access key will do. A little thought provides the answer. The only places where Ctrl is required, are where the access key on its own would be valid input. For example, in the mail header, pressing R would just give us the letter R, which is why we needed to use Ctrl+R for the Rich Header. In the main menu, the only keys we press must be access keys, so the Ctrl isn't required. In general, Ctrl will work everywhere, while plain access keys only work where they wouldn't be valid data input. Ctrl+W has some special searches too. If you search for Ctrl+Y, you will end up at the first line of the current section. Similarly, Ctrl+V takes you to the last line. Ctrl+W a second time takes you to the start of the paragraph, while Ctrl+O takes you to the end of the paragraph. Ctrl+T takes you to any line that you specify. We now know one way of composing a mail to a person. What happens if we are already in compose mode, and don't remember the address of the recipient? We could always use his nickname, but what if we don't remember that either? What if we want to send mail to multiple recipients? Well, the only way to figure it out is to actually try it. Get into compose mode, and move to the To: field. Have a look at the menu down below. You'll notice Ctrl+T takes you to the Address Book. This is similar to the attachment case where it took you to the file list. Press Ctrl+T, and you get to the address book where you can select the recipient's address. But we still aren't able to mail multiple recipients. It's too much of a pain to have to type Ctrl+T and scroll through the list for every recipient. There must be an easier way, and in fact, there is. Well, press L in the address book, and voila, checkboxes beside every entry. Use X to select or de-select any entry. When you're done, use S to make the selection, or use E to exit the list without making any selections. A special select all can be done using A. This is a toggle key, so it also undoes what it just did. Keep these commands in mind, because they are the same for all lists, including newsgroups. Now, let's look at creating distribution lists in our address book. Get into your address book, and add a new entry. Enter the nickname, and full name fields. Since we're creating a distribution list, we'll use the convention of appending -list to the nick. We'll make a list of close friends and call it friends-list. In the name field, enter `My Friends'. Now, come down to the Addresses field, and type in the nicknames of all your close friends as you have them in your address book. Save the entry. You might have noticed that the Fcc field showed up here as well. This is where you can specify a default fcc for a specific person or list. All mails sent to this person will be fcc'ed in that folder. If left blank, the default is used. The comment entry is just an internal comment meant for your use. Pine does nothing except store this comment. Now, get back to the compose screen, and enter friends-list in the To: field. Notice what happens when you move to the next field. Delete all the entries in the To: field. To delete a line in pine, use Ctrl+K anywhere. The current line is deleted. Use Ctrl+U to `Uncut' or paste the cut line to the current cursor position. Many versions of pine allow you to cut and uncut multiple consecutive lines simultaneously. Pine does not provide a copy to clipboard function, but a single cut may be uncut multiple times to simulate this. Now, move down to the Lcc: field and type friends-list. See what shows up in the Lcc and To fields. Your To field would have to have been empty first for this to have shown up correctly. Type your mail as you like. To postpone your mail and continue with it later, use Ctrl+O. When you choose compose the next time, you will be prompted to continue your postponed message. Saying no here will not cancel that message. To cancel any message, you must be in compose mode for that message, and type Ctrl+C. Be careful though, because Ctrl+C is right next to Ctrl+X, which is used to send the mail. A careless person could cancel a long mail by accident. Pine always prompts you for confirmation before sending or cancelling a mail, so you have time to check what you are about to do. Finally, let's look at creating our own mail headers. Go to the main screen, and enter set up. We want to set up certain pine configuration features, so select Config from the list. You'll see a lot of configurable options, and you may want to experiment with a few of them. For now though, we want to look for an option called customized-hdrs. Search for this using the search access key. You do remember what that was don't you? Press enter on this option to begin editing it. You can type in your own headers here. Be careful though, because there are many headers that have special meaning to mail servers and clients. We'll use what are known as eXtension headers. They start with an X-, and have no special meaning. Anyone can make up their own and use it anywhere. Type X-Joke: and press enter. You can enter a list of headers using commas to separate them. Now, when you are in compose mode, and you use Ctrl+R, you'll also find X-Joke: showing up there. You can type in the joke for the day and send the mail. Smart recipients will figure out how to read this and commend you on your brilliance (you wish). Wouldn't it be great though, if we could specify the default value of our X-headers? Well, turns out we can. Go back to the customized-hdrs, press enter, and after the X-Joke: enter `X-Men: there's more of them'. Without the quotes of course. Then, this header will go out on all mails you send. Even if you don't use Ctrl+R. That's it for today. Before next time, you should probably read through the help on whatever you can. Experiment with options. Ctrl+G or ? gets you help in most places. Check help on options we've already tried. Next time we'll look at setting configuration options for best performance. -- I filled out an application that said, "In Case Of Emergency Notify". I wrote "Doctor"... What's my mother going to do? -- Stephen Wright Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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simple alternative to rename()
by Shahed Ali 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi, I have a C program which calls rename() However, it tries to rename a file from a filesys on one device to one on another, and this results in errno=18. Is there a func that can do this ? I can of course copy the file and unlink it, but I just wanted to know if there was a utility function in linux to already take care of this. Thanks Shahed.

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(no subject)
by Dinesh Shah 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi, We are planning to post a daily mail summarizing one Linux command, targeted towards an average Linux user. for this we are classifying most Linux commands in three categories. 1. Most used commands (most ppl know about them anyway, e.x. 'ls'). 2. lesser used commands (ppl use them sparingly and many ppl don't know about them e.x. 'wget'). 3. rarely used commands (most ppl even don't know about them e.x. 'wall', 'write'). Pls post ur views with respect to usefulness, relevance and any other suggestions and ideas. Also suggest which category u want the most and and which category the least... HTH with regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Unitek.com dineshs(a)unitek.com AIM ID: ShahSyst Yahoo ID: dinesh1966(a)yahoo.com Mobile : 98213-11906

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CCNA training
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi. Does anyone know of any good training centers for the CCNA certification? Preferably town side. Kunal

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[News] .Net for the Penguin
by Manish Jethani 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Ximian Announces Open Source Initiative to Develop a Linux Platform for .NET http://www.ximian.com/newsitems/mono_announce.php3 Miguel de Icaza, Ximian CTO and president of the GNOME Foundation, ``believes that .NET is going to be the dominant development environment for the next 20 years.'' Manish -- You can't start worrying about what's going to happen. You get spastic enough worrying about what's happening now. -- Lauren Bacall

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License for Linux
by Anand 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

> > >Linux is finally coming to the desktop in a big way. > Get a genuine distro and many troubles will vanish. As for licenses you do not require any. This is Linux not M$. But still that 2000 RS. will help on reducing a lot of troubles. FreeOS is one very good source of distros. Anand > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "noel seq" <noelseq(a)hotmail.com> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:23:57 +0530 >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Licence for using Linux >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Hi Guys, > >I am thinking of installing Linux on all the computers/terminals in my >office and also star office (or any such GUI similar to Word / Excel). Now >we are using Win98 & MS office. > >

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[OT] ACRO TRBL!
by Q u a s i 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

Could someone please enlighten me as to what BOFH & HTH mean? thanks, quasi

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Just few thoughts and queries
by Nikhil Joshi 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

Boot Messages When linux boots there is a plethora of messages which really bugs me. Can I have a simple message like "Welcome To Linux" when I boot into linux instead of those overwhelming messages (those telling me my processor type, HDD type etc...or the ones telling me that the startup services are ' [ OK ] ' ) Mail Server Can I set up my own mail server ? In the PCQ's latest issue there are instructions on setting it in intranet. Can I set it up on my workstation ? Is there some site giving all the instructions Has someone among you tried it? Linux and Multimedia Yesterday I played a mpg file for the first time on linux and I was very disppointed by the performance . The file was almost played in slow motion :-( Windows media player gave me a better performance.Guess Linux and multimedia don't go well together . Kernel Comiplation I am relatively new to linux and when I get some major problems I get atleast one suggestion to ' compile the kernel ' . What does it mean? I only know C and Pascal programming . Can someone enlighten me please.

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Using precompiled kernel
by Chrisil 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

I just compiled linux-2.4.6 on RH 7.1 from the PCQ CD. Now, for some reason I want to remove my ext2 partition. I will be reinstalling RH later. So, in order to use the kernel I had compiled earlier, which files, other than the kernel image, do I need to backup. The modules/2.4.6 directory? Also, System.map-2.4.6 maybe? Chrisil -- When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes. -- Dylan Thomas _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Opensource Clipper compiler
by Fart Crimson 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

http://www.harbour-project.org/ is where one can find an GPLed Clipper compiler. You can probably use it to compile your FoxPro/BASE apps. Fart

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Some clarifications required.
by vinbh＠vsnl.com 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

Hallo friends, I am a beginner of Linux. I am about to shift my Novell netware platform to Linux. We are having one PIII 733 64 MB Ram, 20 GB HDD server and 10 diskless nodes. Please help me to sort out the problems. 1. Can I install Linux in the server and configure the diskless nodes under linux. Or all diskless nodes must have hard disk and I have to install work station in it. 2. Can I run the existing clipper programs in Linux. Or what is the alterations I have to make in Clipper programs to run under Linux. 3. What is the other alternative for Clipper, if I can't run clipper programs under Linux. 4. What is the minmum configuration required for server and workstations (Our nodes are Pentium 100s with 16 MB RAM) 5. Can the X windows can be accessed through diskless nodes. 6. Can I share the Internet/email using a Proxy server and diskless nodes. We are having one unlimited Satyam dailup connection, which is dailed through ordinary BSNL Line. If any body can help me to sort out the above problems, I am thankful to them. Regards, Vinod.

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Slackware 8.0
by Navin Dhanuka 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

Hi Guys, I have burnt Slackware 8.0. Its a two cd set (without the source). If anyody wants it, I will be happy to lend my copy.. Navin Dhanuka __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Stallman Lecture...
by mayuresh＠vsnl.com 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

>->Videotaping the lecture is a good idea; I don't suppose TIFR has >->already thought of that? > >I am Video recording the lecture. Are you gonna use iMovie? :-) ~Mayuresh

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Thanx
by Nikhil Joshi 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

> Just few thoughts and queries Thanks guys (especially Philip S Tellis , S.Krishnan , Satya , Kompalli SuryaPrakash)for giving ur time for my seemingly amateurish queries. It has helped me a lot Though I am new to Linux I'm slowly getting to know it better. I'm planning to compile the kernel soon :-) Thanks again

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Licence for using Linux
by Fart Crimson 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

Everything has been said regarding other issues. I'm just posting to say about Foxpro. There is a "free" Xbase (Foxpro/Clipper) compiler available for Linux (and Windows) called Max. You can find it at http://www.plugsys.com Another interesting product is Recital. Details can be found at http://www.recital.com Fart

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[OT] Certification
by Aarjav Trivedi 14 Jul '01

14 Jul '01

Hello people, i need some advice : Is it possible to give the Sun Certified Java Programmer exam without undergoing trainig in India. The Sun FAQ explicitly states that it is but the centres' list does not contain any Testing Centre in India. Are there any ? Also is there any standard certification test for C and C++. by standard i mean here something that is accepted in the industry.If so which and where can i give them. Finally something way way OT : I was told by some seniors that official certification like Sun Java Certification etc is given credit when applying for admission to US colleges after GRE If there are any (ex) engineering students around, can someone tell me if this is true ? Thank You for your patience with my OTness ;) Yours OTly Aarjav OT uh, i mean Aarjav T (rivedi) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Can I/we mirror some books???
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 14 Jul '01

14 Jul '01

Hi There, Can we mirror some books/docu/tuts that are related to GPL based stuff.. I had tried contacting some authors, but got no response... Basically I wanted to put some books on Linux kernel, perl etc... on the net... Bye, SP Pls. note: - My Email ID has changed from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com to neosurya(a)yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Using AVG antivirus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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[OT] Dr. Neukar 'hacks' cybercell... :)
by Manish Jethani 14 Jul '01

14 Jul '01

Check this out - http://midday.chalomumbai.com/07-11-2001/city/07-11-2001hackers.txt.htm This is ridiculous. Should we trust these people with preventing cyber crime? People who keep username/password as vijay/vijay, and allow full access to their servers? It's high time the media (call a cracker a cracker) and police (uhh) get educated. How about calling these guys to the LUG meet and giving them a nice "getting started" tutorial. Manish -- All extremists should be taken out and shot.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Odd problem with reading CD-ROMs
by Fart Crimson 14 Jul '01

14 Jul '01

I believe, you *have found* a bug! my friend :-) I think you should post your problem to the Linux newsgroups as well as send copies to the maintainers of XMMS, mp123, FreeAMP etc., But, do read there *bugs* section first before posting. Chances are they know about it and are working on it :-) Fart

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Stallman lecture
by ambarish pathak 14 Jul '01

14 Jul '01

Nagarjuna wrote: > I am Video recording the lecture. And then probably put up the _audio_ stream on website. :-) And, it better be in Ogg-Vorbis, or RMS is going to come back storming to TIFR! ;-) regards, ambarish

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Save yourself
by Philip S Tellis 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

I run XFig on Solaris, with desktop exported to my linux box. Within a few seconds of starting XFig, I get this error: No Response to the Save Yourself command. The program may be slow, stopped or broken. You may wait for it to respond or remove it. Stop It Now Wait The program has not stopped, is not slow and is not broken. I am using it while this error shows up, and using it well. Everything works perfectly. I could just put this window in the background, but it pops up every now and then. Any ideas? It doesn't happen everytime. In fact, happens at random. In my experience, this error normally occurs when one tries to stop X while some app is running. However, I am not trying to stop X. In fact, the only reason for starting X was to run xfig. Philip -- I liked things better when I didn't understand them. -- Calvin Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Licence for using Linux
by noel seq 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Hi Guys, I am thinking of installing Linux on all the computers/terminals in my office and also star office (or any such GUI similar to Word / Excel). Now we are using Win98 & MS office. I would like to know what are the licences that i will have to purchase. Can i install Linux from my chip cd / PCQ cd which i have with me. Will i have to purchase a cd for my co as well as my sister co. AS of now i am using linux installed from PCQ cd on my terminal and on my proxy, mail server. Also, I need some advice for the programs that i will need to replace my mail client, browser, etc, how to use foxpro under linux, etc. Thanks in advance. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Licence for using Linux
by noel seq 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Hi Guys, I am thinking of installing Linux on all the computers/terminals in my office and also star office (or any such GUI similar to Word / Excel). Now we are using Win98 & MS office. I would like to know what are the licences that i will have to purchase. Can i install Linux from my chip cd / PCQ cd which i have with me. Will i have to purchase a cd for my co as well as my sister co. AS of now i am using linux installed from PCQ cd on my terminal and on my proxy, mail server. Also, I need some advice for the programs that i will need to replace my mail client, browser, etc, how to use foxpro under linux, etc. Thanks in advance. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Stallman lecture
by N. Shrikant 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Hey all, I was really looking forward to the lecture, but as it happens, I'm leaving town today, and most definitely won't be back by the 17th. So I was wondering if it would be possible to have the lecture videotaped? - Shrikant

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Odd problem with reading CD-ROMs
by Rajen Parekh 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Hi all, Okay, I have a odd problem here reading a CD. I have a CD full of MP3s which was burned by a friend of mine who burned by some software on Windows. So, unfortunately, my Linux box is not able to see it correctly. It is able to see only some of the mp3 files, not all. That is not the problem though. The problem is that I am not able to play the mp3 files properly. During the decoding of mp3 file, mpg123 gives me the following type of error : Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header 0x27240dc1 at offset 0x400e6. Skipped 292 bytes in input. It does not stop decoding, but the output is not proper whenever the error occurs (since it keeps on skipping some part of the file). I get many more such errors while the song is playing. I have verified that the CD is not damaged, and nor it is corrupt, because in Windows with WinAmp I don't find any such problem. NOW comes the odd part. I am using kernel 2.4.6, Red Hat 6.2. (highly modified then the standard distro). If I use the old kernel - 2.2.16, I *don't* get the above mentioned problem. The mp3 file from the CD gets decoded without any problem. I have tried using kernel 2.4.3, 2.4.5, and of course the current 2.4.6. But with all of them the problem persits, but with the old kernel there are no problems whatsoever. I tried to play the other mp3 files and with those files also some error is always reported by mpg123 (while decoding) and then it skips some input of the file. I tried using xmms, mp3blaster also. All of them give error exactly at the same spot of the song. And with *all* of them there is no problem with the old kernel (2.2.16). I also tried using the latest versions of mpg123, mp3blaster and xmms. But still the same thing. With all of them I don't get any errors with the old kernel, but with the new kernel (2.4.x), I still get errors. Could it be that there are any changes in the drivers for CD-ROM which could be causing the problem ? When I boot into the new kernel (2.4.x) I get the following boot message, hdd: CREATIVECD4820E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive With the old kernel (2.2.16) I get, hdd: CREATIVECD4820E, ATAPI CDROM drive Note the "CD/DVD-ROM" in the new kernel and only "CDROM" in the old kernel. Could this be driver problem ? Has anyone faced a similar problem. Regards, Rajen. P.S. : Sorry for such long mail, but thought I would explain all the things that I have already done so as to understand the problem better.

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Disk Partition Prob
by call2yogesh 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Hi all ... Here is the problem : I have 20 GB HDD and I had windows 98 installed and runnning fine. I installed RedHat Linux 7.0 but during installation I need to partition my HDD like c: 6GB and linux 4GB Now the problem is I couldn't recover my remaining space in HDD. So pls Help me to recover it... Thanxs in advance, Regards, -Yogesh Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM and Audio-Books from http://www.planetmonline.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Permanent Setting of DMA
by Fart Crimson 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

> I would like to know if there is some file in which hdparm settings are >stored so that DMA is turned off *permanently* I am not sure about this one though you may try out.... "hda=nodma" at the LILO boot prompt after "linux" or whatever label that you have choosen. e.g, LILO: linux hda=nodma if this works then you can add the following line to /etc/lilo.conf append="hda=nodma" .....and rerun `lilo'. *Yes* Disabling DMA affects Disk read/write performance. *BEWARE* I am only hypothesizing!! (oooops) Please read the kernel documentation. I am currently running kernel 2.2.14 (yeah, I know, has a bug). I don't have the kernel-docs on my system right now. You could get more (definitive) info under /usr/src/linux/Documentaion/*

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SuSE to Distribute 1800 Pro Boxes in India
by Prakash Shetty aka Crux 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Dear Linuxers, SuSE Linux AG is planning to distribute 1800 SuSE Linux Professional boxes to Colleges,Schools,Academic institutes,NGO's,LUG's etc in India. I hereby request all LUG's/Mailing List Subscribers to kindly let me know a list of such organisations in thier area. Please do contact me Prakash Shetty at ps(a)suse.co.in with your sugestions. Any Ideas and suggestions are highly welcome. Best Regards Prakash Shetty

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Can't connect to Rolta thru' Linux
by Fart Crimson 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

>Is there anyone one the lug who is using RoltaNet's dialup net >services? I've been facing problems in connecting to the RoltaNet I had used RoltaNet. They have WinNT and Linux servers for authentication. Most probably the server at the other end is an NT box(!!??). I use Wvdial to connect to ISPs.. In case you do too then you should add the following line in the RoltaNet Dialer Section of your /etc/wvdial.conf like... [Dialer Rolta] Stupid Mode = on # This is the line to add Username = abcd Password = xyz .... And yes, no point talking to there tech support, they won't help you at all!!! If you are using a chat script, then don't tell it to interpret the Login Sequence but just start `pppd' as soon as the connection is made. e.g., chat '"" ATZ OK AT(modem init strings) OK ATDT172301 CONNECT ""' Your chat script might be more complex, above is just an example. Fart

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Can't connect to Rolta thru' Linux
by Kinjal Sonpal 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Hi all Luggers!! Is there anyone one the lug who is using RoltaNet's dialup net services? I've been facing problems in connecting to the RoltaNet .. The logs say that I can connect to their server but then while logging on to the network, the connection hangs ,, And it even blocks my internal modem,i.e. I can't even kill the connection .. If anyone was successful in setting up dialup connection to the RoltaNet then please help me .. Connection to the VSNL dialup connection is absolutely fine and to my surprise it's much faster than what I used to get with Windows !! p.s : Contacted RoltaNet help center, but they said they din't know anything abt Linux and refused to help .. Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj

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Help Me
by Paresh Chopdekar 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Hi I recently moved to suse from redhat. However i could not get my sound card working (it worked with redhat). The sound card is a *crystal cs4232* ISA card. I tried to use the kernel driver by editing the /etc/modules.conf but in vain. Also can anyone please help me in configuring my internal modem Motorola SM56. Please provide detailed steps to get these both working. Thank you in advance. Paresh C.

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Permanent Setting of DMA
by Nikhil Joshi 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

I edited rc.local and DMA is now turned off everytime I load linux I would like to know if there is some file in which hdparm settings are stored so that DMA is turned off *permanently* In the boot process I still get the hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } errors. Is there some way that I can disable echoing of these errors? (It kinda gives me an uneasy feeling ;-) Just for curiosity: When I checked out /var/log/demsg I found out this line hda: 8452080 sectors (4327 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=526/255/63, UDMA(33) Also the BIOS gives the following info about my HDD: Pri Master : 6.01 ST34311A Ultra DMA Mode-2 , S.M.A.R.T. Capable and Status OK It means that my HDD supports UDMA , then why I have to disable it to keep things normal? Does disabling it have effect on the performance?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Daily Linux commands.
by Nikhil Karkera 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Dinesh Shah <dinesh(a)indiamail.com> wrote: We are planning to post a daily mail summarizing one Linux command, 2. lesser used commands (ppl use them sparingly and many Pls post ur views with respect to usefulness, relevance and any other suggestions and ideas. Also suggest which category u want the most and and which category the least... ---------------- End ------------------------ Category 2 would be good - "lesser used commands" It is possible that the author (one of us I believe) may not be accurate at certain places, or maybe even incorrect. In that case respondents should mail the author offlist to avoid a long thread on a Linux command. The author can then make the necessary correction/addition and post it on the list again. Command tutorials could be archived in the ILUG site if possible. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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(no subject)
by Nikhil Joshi 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

I have been using Linux since RHL 5.2 and haven't faced any major problems since then. However with PCQ Linux 7.1 , which was distributed by PCQuest in it's July 2001 issue,I am facing severe problems as described below. I have Cyrix MII 300 Processor,64 MB SDRam,700 MB Hard Disk Space reserved for Linux,Yamaha Sound Card,Sis 6215c PCI graphic adapter (No prob with this thing though) Now whenever I start playing mp3 using either mpg123 in character mode or XMMS in GNOME and work on something else like just managing files or editing a text file ,etc.. the LINUX simply hangs! Even if I press <alt><F2> for another terminal nothing happens. Also while multitasking the quality of sound is pathetic. I reinstalled RHL 6.2 and I did not find any of the problems.Linux is as stable as it is known for. I tried not to do *any* other jobs while playing mp3 and still 7.1 hangs ! Please help me as I am very frustrated by this as I love mp3's as much as I love Linux. P.S. While booting LINUX gives following messages which are not displayed by 6.2 hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } Could This be the problem ? ----------------------------------------------- Runbox Mail Manager - www.runbox.com Free online email application

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mount: incorrect major/minor version
by Satya 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Anyone remember this (or similar) error we were getting a while back? I don't think we found a solution, did we? Well, Nikhil Jagtiani recently fonud out that the major/minor numbers to which the error message refers are kernel version numbers, not device node numbers! So it's a discrepancy between kernel and module versions. HTH someone. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regret to inform you that circumstances are beyond our control. --Paul Benoit

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Turning DMA off permanently
by Nikhil Joshi 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hi ! When I turned off DMA using hdparm -d0 /dev/hda everything was fine :) I would like to know how can one turn this setting permanent.

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PCQ linux 7.1
by Deepak Kashyap 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hello linux users I am a new member to group Okay to the point now I have started a PCQ LINUX 7.1 forum at http://forum.oye91.com participating in this will help be to make a knowlege base which I plan to start soon. Everything is free... I also would like some people to help me in developing the site http://linux.oye91.com with say any articles on security issues,networking,newbies etc.. you can help me to simply linux for all new users like me.. Thanking you Deepak _____________________________________________________________ Get your own OYE ID at http://www.oye91.com

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e.g.
by Philip S Tellis 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

e.g. stands for exempli gratia. Not the same as ex gratia. Philip -- Luke Skywalker: Your overconfidence is your weakness. Emperor Palpatine: Your faith in your friends is yours. Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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daily linux command was (no subject)
by noel seq 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

>Hi, > >We are planning to post a daily mail summarizing one Linux command, >targeted towards an average Linux user. >for this we are classifying most Linux commands in three categories. > >1. Most used commands (most ppl know about them anyway, e.x. 'ls'). >2. lesser used commands (ppl use them sparingly and many ppl don't know > about them e.x. 'wget'). >3. rarely used commands (most ppl even don't know about them e.x. 'wall', This is great. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[OT, maybe] What is Hacking
by Manish Jethani 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

I am sorry if this has been posted before. I found this really nice write up on what is hacking and how to deal with a hacker. http://web.demigod.org/~zak/geek/hack.shtml Manish

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Kernel Updation
by noel seq 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

>Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Updation >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:55:45 +0530 > >did u download the new version of modutils? >u'd need modutils-2.4.6 Hi guys, I tried installing modutils-2.4.6-2.i386.rpm it gave me failed dependencies zlib >= 1.1.3-16 is needed awk is needed libc.so.6(GLIBC-2.13) is needed. i couldn't find awk instead found mawk-1.3.3-19-i686.rpm (is it ok to install i386 as well as i686 on the same m/c. I have a P3. I then tried installing zlib-1.1.3-22.i386.rpm it gave me failed dependencies libc.so.6(GLIBC-2.13) is needed. So if figured glibc is very much required and tried installing glibc-2.2.2-10.i386.rpm it gave me failed dependencies glibc >=2.1.3 conflicts with rpm-3.0.6.6x I was able to install rpm-3.0.6.6x what do i do next ?? install higher version of rpm? am i going in circles ? Noel. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help Me
by Fart Crimson 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

hey buddy, You can get the drivers for your Motorola SM56 "softmodem" at http://e-www.motorola.com/products/softmodem/support/software.html#linux You will have to have a 2.4.x kernel for this to work. If you are using RH 7.1 Linux then you could probably find the driver rpms at ftp.redhat.com or try out http://rpmfind.net/ Hope this helps! Fart

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Bastille Linux
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hi, Anyone on this list using this? It can be found at http://www.bastille-linux.org Any comments? Kunal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] line length (was problem with java config)
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Philip S Tellis spewed into the ether: <snip> >#!/usr/bin/perl -w Mailman is in python. How about using demime? That strips HTMl as well Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #56 - 13 msgs
by Radschiw 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

> > Hey mitul, > > I say NIIT certificate from RH Europe, > > now how credible it is, is the Q. > > HOw about ULTRAMAX at Dadar, or ACIT at Mahin?? > > sandeep snip > > > Linux @ Ramshyam writes: > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > Who gives Redhat Certification. > > > > Is NIIT good, I have also heard of cos. like > > > > ULTRAMAX & ACIT for linux courses. > > > > > > > > Some inputs about how good these are ??. > > > > thx > > > > sandeep > > > > Hi Sandeep RedHat India has training partners - one of them is NIIT and some others all over India. Every guy has to do the following first : [novice, that is] - RH033 Intro to Linux - 32hrs - RH133 Sys Admin - 32 hrs - RH253 Network and Security - 32hrs Then s/he has to give an exam called RH302. It is not another module or course - just a code, as they call it, methinks]. After that a person is a certified RHCE. For the guys who already know Linux there is the fast track - called RH300 [40hrs]. Then s/he also ends up giving the RH302. And becomes a RHCE. [ avoiding the other 3 tracks] That's two ways to become an RHCE. NIIT and others can conduct all the tracks etc BUT not the RH302. That is the sole domain of RHINDIA. So not point doing all those other tracks since you would never become an RHCE until you did the 302. So back to base - RHI. Gotcha!!! The RH site gives all this info in profusion. Brgds Rajiv Truly great madness can not be achieved without significant intelligence. -- Henrik Tikkanen There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, or control the firm resolve of a very determined soul.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with X
by dodobh＠nettaxi.com 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Kinjal Sonpal spewed into the ether: <snip> > Not enough free disk space on /tmp rm -rf /tmp/* <snip> Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099

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Can't Upgrade rpms
by noel seq 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi guys, I was trying to install modutils-2.4.6-2 and got the rpm <=3 error and therefore tried to upgrade my rpm to rpm-3.0.6.6x it gives me the following error bzip2 >= 0.9.0c-2 is needed by rpm-3.0.6.6x libbz2.so.0 is needed by rpm-3.0.6.6x where do i get these ? Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[OT: Slashdot, interesting] Deciphering Windows Product Activation
by Manish Jethani 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Deciphering Windows Product Activation http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/09/230238.shtml Manish -- Bridge ahead. Pay troll.

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Word Boundaries in Bash
by Manish Jethani 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

How do I change the definition of a word boundary in Bash? When I type "ping www.yahoo.com[C-w]", I am left with "ping ". I would like it if I were left with "ping www.yahoo." on pressing C-w. Is there a definition (maybe in the form of a regexp) somewhere in a config file that I can change? Or is there a way to create your own shortcut commands in Bash? I know I can do that in Vim. Not sure about Bash. No mention in the Bash manual. :-/ Manish

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Microsoft shoots itself in the foot again: will Hailstorm end up DOA?
by S. Krishnan 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Read this, and laugh - after this, maybe the monolith from Redmond will switch to a more reliable server OS like Linux or BSD! :-) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6524275.html?tag=dd.ne.dtx.nl-sty.0 Regards, Krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [[ILUG-BOM] Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin]
by prashant sharma 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

hi! i am using Qmail 1.03 in linux(RH 7.0)..my qmail is working...but i can telnet to port 25 for smtp is not working....what is the problem in this.. prashant >From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [[ILUG-BOM] Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin] >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:41:02 +0530 (IST) > >On 4 Jul 2001, ashok iyer wrote: > > > There is another one that was available on the web somewhere called > > "Securing and Optimizing Red Hat Linux". I am not aware of the URL, > >http://ftp.ucr.ac.cr/solrhe/coverpage.html > >despite the name, it is a http url. > >Philip > >-- >Make sure special cases are truly special. > - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) > > >Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ >Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ > > MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis > >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Microsoft's shoots itself in the foot again: will Hailstorm end up DOA?
by S. Krishnan 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Read this, and laugh - after this, maybe the monolith from Redmond will switch to a more reliable server OS like Linux or BSD! :-) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6524275.html?tag=dd.ne.dtx.nl-sty.0 Regards, Krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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installation java in linux
by ketan shah 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

i have two operating sytem one is windowsNT and linux which is bootable from floppy.i have already installed this two operating system.now i want to install java and c++.how to install them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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mod_rewrite
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi, Here is some code i wrote.. I was wondering if there was somethign wrong with it? i have tested it.. and i get a 500 error :( RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.domain-they-come-from\.com [NC]RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$ RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domain-they-come-from\.com [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$ RewriteRule ^(.*) www\.main-domain-name\.com\/form\.php\?{HTTP_HOST} [R,L] Kunal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] my tomcat has more than 9 lives
by Amish Mehta 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

I dont have much idea but I will try to tell you what I know. In server.xml use PoolTcpConnector as connector and specify max_threads, max_spare_threads, min_spare_threads paramters. You might have to see installation documentation for details. Bye Amish. > there are about 30 java processes running, all attached to tomcat. > Any ideas? Anything I should try? Anything else you need to know?

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] installation java in linux
by Paresh Chopdekar 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Ketan Shah wrote on Jul 9 2001 >i have two operating sytem one is windowsNT and linux >which is bootable from floppy.i have already installed >this two operating system.now i want to install java >and c++.how to install them. First of all you can have c++ in linux by installing the g++ package (GNU's C++). And about java, you will have to install it seperately for both. The win version can be found on the March2001 Chip CD. For java in linux you will have to download the package from Sun's website. You can also install the jdk docu only once and access the same in bot winnt & linux. And about c++ under winnt i suggest vc++ over plain c++. Paresh C.

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Recovering an unfscked disk (partly OT)
by Satya 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

[For those who don't know, IDE hard disks are hda=primary master, hdb=prim slave, hdc=secondary master, hdd=sec slave] So this morning I woke up, checked my email, and... started hearing noises from hda. Ugh. fsck went nuts on the next reboot, as well as the next. All sorts of weirdness. My dealer suspects a problem with this particular model of hard disk. IBM DTLA something... he says the platters used may be bad. Also suspects heat problem. Now for the interesting bit. I seem to have recovered most of my Linux installation by installing RH6.1 temporarily on hdb, putting my old hda as hdd, and a new Seagate as hda. Created the partitions (somehow... egads, DOS fdisk, Linux fdisk, and Disk Druid simply do NOT play nice!), then mounted each of /, /home, and /usr (/var is on hdb and safe, and /lib is on /... I ought to separate it). Used cp -ax to copy all the stuff from hdd to hda, on the appropriate partitions. One reboot later, everything came up... except postfix the Great Mail Server. Seems most of /etc/postfix ended up in /lost+found on the last fsck. So I hand-recovered the essentials, dumped the rest in /etc/postfix/lostfound, and restarted postfix. Voila. We're back in business. Rest of the night will be spent in watching hda like a hawk, and rebooting hdd a few times to see if it's a transient problem. Amazingly, hdb is a Quantum Bigfoot. I've had it for 3 years, and I've heard all sorts of bad things about it. hda I've had for < 1 year. The name of the temporary installation? "bootstrap". -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> Murphy was an optimist.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] line length (was problem with java config)
by Amish Mehta 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Group moderators, cant we have listserv(or whatever is used) runnning to fix it, if it is not so? Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >could you fix your line length?

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17 july meet
by Ulhas Vaidya 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

hi all, this is how one can come to tifr, bus route nos. 3, 125, 11, 6 (some times) (these buses stop at the pavement opposite planet M and towards CST) from CST. get down at the last stop and walk in the direction the bus came, till the security whistles. that's the tifr! if you r coming from churchgate the take route no. 137 (stop is opposite asiatic) and remaining things are same. most of the cabbies do not know the place. i would not recommend it. the complete address is: Tata Institute of fundamental research h. bhabha road, navy nagar, colaba, mumbai 5. ph. 2152971 hope this helps. ulhas nb: there is no "diya" hanging.

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Problems with X
by Kinjal Sonpal 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi Luggers ! Since last couple of days i'm getting the following error when I try to start the X .. I get the following error Not enough free disk space on /tmp And then the X does not start .. I tried putting runlevel 5 in .initrc file. After which I got the initial login window but then I was not able to login to the system .. However I cud switch back to the command prompt .. The same (and only) error message is written in .xsessions-errors file in my home directory .. Please help me. Thanks in advance Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj

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India's contribution to Linux
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi There, > > 1. Why do you think Linux is important to India? > [snip] consider WRT the following points - 1> as a learning tool - Linux conforms to the Open source code... Since source code is public, and we can hack a system - do some re-engineering on the product without crossing legal borders - it is an excellent tool for students to learn the various aspects of an OS and its' working. 2> Very good OS for Indian desktops. Linux can run from a 386 and above...It is not a resource hogger... Hence, it is ideal in cases where ppl operate very old M/C to cut down costs and at the same time need some stability. (My college itself ;) ) Q's 2 and 3 have been answered by Satya an Trevor... > > 4. Has the Indian government showing a keen interest > > in Linux ? Can you mention some names and examples? > [snip] It (Govt.) does some work - one cannot say they are ignoring it - NCST works on Linux, IISc does simputer work etc. But there is no fixed direction or Direct involvement of the Govt. Everything gets lost in redtape - basically because; barring a few groups - Rest of the Govt. agencies remain oblivious to the benifits of good S/W, so Linux is still a very distant target. > > 5. Do you know of any companies in India who have > > developed applications for the Linux platform? I dont know names - but I have seen ppl aorking on Linux products with Made in India label.... > > 6. What do you think should be done to promote the > > growth of Linux in India? > [snip] > introduce the concept of GNU philosophy and the > Open Source concept in schools havin the young > generation get hands on Linux ASAP and as early in > life as possible. Precisely... wot is to be done is to make ppl understand that a Computer System or a OS is not intended to be a glorified resource hogger - It has to be economical(free), scalable(386-supercomp??), Stable, crossplatform, economical learning curve... And Linux satisfies these needs... Bye, SP -- Please NOTE: - I have changed my Email ID to neosurya(a)yahoo.com from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com _ _ |/ |_ |_| |\ompalli _|urya| rakash MSN : - neosurya(a)hotmail.com Email: - neosurya(a)yahoo.com Phone: - 022-5506101 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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x windows || star office
by Ulhas Vaidya 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

hi all, thanx philip for responding to my difficulty regarding x win screen saver .... however, i do not have XF86Config installed and Xconfigurator of xf86config does not give the option you mentioned. starting xwin in bg does not do what you mentioned either. is there any other way to stop xwin getting killed by ctrl+alt+bs while in screen saver mode? by the way i am using rh 7.1 Also, can anyone lend me staroffice cds? ulhas

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help Me
by Rajen Parekh 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Paresh Chopdekar wrote: > Also can anyone please help me in configuring my internal modem > Motorola SM56. This month's PCQ has driver module for the above modem. I think it should be available for download from Motorola's website. Rajen.

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meeting on 17th
by noel seq 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

> >On Jul 8, 2001 at 02:37, Satya wrote: > > > July 17 2001, 5pm > > > > Homi Bhabha Auditorium, > > Navy Nagar Colaba, Mumbai 400005 Is that the entire address. Any landmarks ? directions ? Am not too familiar with the area. Am working at Nariman Point and am planning to go directly. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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meeting on 17th
by Satya 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

On Jul 8, 2001 at 02:37, Satya wrote: > July 17 2001, 5pm > > Homi Bhabha Auditorium, > Navy Nagar Colaba, Mumbai 400005 So let me make sure: the above is correct? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> Could you continue your petty bickering ? I find it most intriguing.

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Panel not starting
by Philip S Tellis 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

In reference to my earlier mail, I deleted my .gnome directory, and all worked fine. I should point out, that this only happened for my login, not for any of the other logins on my machine. Philip -- C-3PO: We seem to be made to suffer. It's our lot in life. Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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A guide to shell scripting, using Bash
by LinuxCAMPUS.net 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Hello Everyone, If you want to learn shell scripting, you can start from here. And then SKY is the LIMIT. http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Adv-Bash-Scr-HOWTO/index.html Navin Dhanuka LinuxCAMPUS.net. elearning center for linux & opensource technologies. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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My panel won't start
by Philip S Tellis 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

My gnome panel won't start. It keeps trying to start, gives this error message: Gdk-ERROR **: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) serial 602 error_code 4 request_code 2 minor_code 0 Gdk-ERROR **: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) serial 622 error_code 4 request_code 2 minor_code 0 Gdk-ERROR **: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) serial 610 error_code 4 request_code 2 minor_code 0 And quits. Then tries to start again and the cycle continues in an infinite loop. pid of panel keeps changing during this. I have redhat 6.0. This happened just after I upgraded gnome-core to 1.0.55. Previous version was 1.0.4 I think. Any ideas? Philip -- "What man has done, man can aspire to do." -- Jerry Pournelle, about space flight Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Email problems
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Hi There, I use sendmail and fetchmail for Emailing along with pine - everything (read pine/sendmail) is configured to handle mail thru a dial-up connection. I had a problem recently - All my emails are being directed to the wrong ppl. After tht, I just went thru the /var/spoll/mqueue - (of course for the new mails) there are some files starting with d/q followed by numbers with correct combinations of Email headers and body. I assumed that files starting with q inside /var/spoll/mqueue were headers and those starting with d were data ie. body of the email. There is another file startng with T. Shud that be there?? Now, wot cud the reason be tht sendmail mixed up my emails??I am a novice WRT sendmail :) Bye, SP -- Please NOTE: - I have changed my Email ID to neosurya(a)yahoo.com from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com _ _ |/ |_ |_| |\ompalli _|urya| rakash MSN : - neosurya(a)hotmail.com Email: - neosurya(a)yahoo.com Phone: - 022-5506101 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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traceroute doing udp?
by Philip S Tellis 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

I always thought that traceroute uses a time-exceeded icmp packet to find routes, but my ipchains logs shows that it is actually trying to connect on various udp ports around 33440 (above and below) linux starts at 33438 solaris starts at 33435 any ideas Philip -- Computers are unreliable, but humans are even more unreliable. Any system which depends on human reliability is unreliable. -- Gilb Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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meeting people in Mumbai
by Anand Kumria 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Hi there, I'm flying into Mumbai very shortly and, unfortunately, won't be staying around long enough to catch Richard Stallman's talk. However if any of you would like to meet up for a chat (or key signing) then let me know. Regards, Anand

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] telnet
by Fart Crimson 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Yes u will have to edit /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny if you are using tcpwrappers. It seems from your post that the Linux Box is a gateway to the internet for an internal network. If you have other users on the internal network. *you should use SSH* more details at www.openssh.org Fart

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some advice please
by varunm＠unitek.com 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

hello folks, i'm new to your list and find your discussions enriching. i'm implementing a intranet based general purpose program for communication between users, implemented with jdk1.3/swing. if i want to enable file transfers between clients logged into the server, which is the better implementation for the actual data transfer? - p2p - this may not work behind firewalls, with applets - client->server->client - on the same socket - might result in congestion/messy implementation because of mixed file+other traffic - client->server->client - on a dedicated socket. all ur suggestions are most welcome.

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Query : Woody?
by Q u a s i 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

Folks, Does anyone have Debian "Woody" written on CD, and more importantly, if anyone has, is he willing to lend it to me for a day? I currently have the Debian "Potato" r2 from the Chip Networking CD. If not the whole "woody", does anyone have .deb archives of KDE.2 or some other useful stuff on CD? thanks, quasi -- postscript -- Heat, cold, pain, pleasure - these spring from sensual contact, Arjuna. They begin and they end. They exist for the time being. You must learn to put up with them. __________________________________________________ \?/ .Quasi. (0-0) ( | ) <quasiabhi(a)yahoo.com> ( v ) yahoo messenger : quasiabhi __| |__ / \ Protect OUR Earth.

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PHP with libxml compile problem
by Mayur Joshi 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

Dear Linuxers, Got some prob with PHP re-complie with libxml support Running RH 7.0, php-4.0.4pl1. I have already install libxml2-2.3.1-1 & libxml-devel2-2.3.1-1 When I complie php with --with-dom option configure scripta says something is messed up. Checked debug.log. Some error with ld not finding -lxml. Below is the debug.log file so that you would know what is happening exactly. Also would like to know any good content management softwares in PHP other than PHP NUKE. Would like to have options of creating images on the fly and all that. But pls do advice on that libxml trouble soon. Best regards, Mayur ----- debug.log CONFIGURE: './configure' '--with-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs' '--with-mysql' '--with-gd' '--with-ttf' '--with-imap=/u sr/local/hordemod/imap' '--enable-ftp' '--enable-track-vars' '--enable-bcmath' '--enable-trans-sid' '--disable- magic-quotes' '--with-dom' CC: gcc CFLAGS: -g -O2 CPPFLAGS: -DLINUX=2 -DMOD_SSL=206106 -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT CXX: CXXFLAGS: INCLUDES: -I/usr/include/apache -I$(top_builddir)/Zend -I/usr/local/include -I/home/ninad/php-4.0.4pl1/ext/ mysql/libmysql LDFLAGS: -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib LIBS: -lgd -lz -lxml -lresolv -lm -ldl -lcrypt -lnsl -lresolv -Lyes/lib -lz DLIBS: -lc-client SAPI: apache PHP_RPATHS: /usr/local/lib uname -a: Linux interpole.com 2.2.16-22 #1 Tue Aug 22 16:49:06 EDT 2000 i686 unknown gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -DLINUX=2 -DMOD_SSL=206106 -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/l ib conftest.c -lgd -lz -lxml -lresolv -lm -ldl -lcrypt -lnsl -lresolv -Lyes/lib -lz 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxml collect2: ld returned 1 exit status _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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telnet
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

Hi Guys, I have disabled telnet from my linux server as i have a fixed ip modem. However I need to telnet from my terminal every now and again. I it possible to give telnet access to one IP. Thanx Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] /etc/sysctl.conf info
by Mayur Joshi 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

>Where do I get information on how to configure my >/etc/sysctl.conf? I am installing IBM DB2 and as a >part of the procedure, I have to edit that file "set >maximum message queues to 128" (I don't know what that >means, but I am sure it's got nothing to do with email >messages). Just run /sbin/sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf after making those changes. Regards, Mayur _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Networking Gurus -- HELP
by Mayur Joshi 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

>I am facing a problem configuring my linux box as a load balancer.. >right now, i have two connections on to the net, 1) a 256 kbps leased line >and 2) a cable modem >ie 2 default routes and 2 diffrent ip addresses... > >What i need to know is howto configure my linux box so that i could use >both these net connections from my main linux router and they should >masquarade the connections. Well if you want to implement load balancing on Linux then I would suggest just make your Linux router handle the request and the other 2 machines on which the actual requested data is, keep them on the internal network. The application on your Linux router machine should decide on which server the request should go. For more details on this topology visit http://www.ultramonkey.org Regards, Mayur _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Networking Gurus -- HELP
by Mayur Joshi 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

Hi Sachin, Well since you are trying load balancing on Linux, I would suggest you to have a look at www.ultramonkey.org. Its a good high availability and load balancing solutions for Linux. The documentation is really good. We are doing some R&D on it and it seems to be working very well. Regards, Mayur >Hi, > >I am facing a problem configuring my linux box as a load balancer.. >right now, i have two connections on to the net, 1) a 256 kbps leased line >and 2) a cable modem >ie 2 default routes and 2 diffrent ip addresses... > >What i need to know is howto configure my linux box so that i could use >both these net connections from my main linux router and they should >masquarade the connections. > >I have checked out equal cost multipath.. the problem here is that it uses >a round robin method to send data.. uses the first default route for one ip >address then the second for the next ie per-connection balancing .. >The problem here is that it seems to distribute the bandwidth equally. The >leased line should handle more bandwidth than the cable modem. I could be >wrong here, has any one done this ?? > >TEQL: this is per-packet balancing... it is more useful for local >clustering than bonding upstreams for internet feeds.. am not sure on >wether it would handle masquerading. > >also seen some thing in the ip command >ip route add default scope global nexthop via 100.100.100.2 nexthop via >200.200.200.254 >but this seems to send fragments across diffrent default routes ( >100.100.100.2, 200.200.200.254) ie per-packet balancing... dunno wether it >will work with masquarading. > >Is it that i'm just missing something with the above solutions... > >The closest I get to my requirements would be equal cost multipath >method.... any thing better ??? > >Also i cannot experiment on these links. > >Has any one done it before ??? > >Bye >Sachin > >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[OT] [COMMERCIAL] For sale: books
by Satya 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

Books for sale: Perl5 for Dummies Schaum's Programming with C Microcomputer System Design: Sampada Pinge & Shrushti Pandya: 8th semester BE, covers Pentium, PCI, NT, SCSI, IDE. Student's Engineering Materials and Components (EMC, Semester 3 BE) Engineering Materials and Components (EMC, Semester 3 BE): Jawalekar, Sarita Singh Programming Perl 2nd edition (Blue Camel): O'Reilly Student's Question Bank Semester 5: Dec 96, May97, Dec 97, May98, Dec98, May99: Covers Elecs, EXTC, Electrical, Biomed according to the cover) Also for sale: IEEE publications: Computer, Spectrum, Institute, Communications. Reader's Digest: Various. Contact me at this address: satyap(a)satya.virtualave.net -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> @q=split(q??,qq?,JAPH \nacehklnorstubsqrfcnorkjpfdjpmfehi\ ljpag?);$i=0x13;while($i<=@q){print$q[ord($q[$i++])-0141]}

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Running fetchmail
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

> >On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, noel seq wrote: > > > I am using fetchmail in deamon mode every 5 mins to currently to > > download I want to run two deamons one every 5 mins and another > > every 15 mins. > >This is what I do: > >set daemon 300 >poll konark.ncst.ernet.in with proto POP3 uidl > ... >poll mail.vsnl.net with proto POP3 uidl interval 3 > ... > >Which means that konark is polled every 5 minutes, and vsnl every 15 >minutes. Good? > >Philip Works Perfectly. Thanx a lot. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Updation
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

>On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, noel seq wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, noel seq wrote: > > > i tried depmod -ae 4.2.4 > ^^^^^ > depmod -ae 2.4.4 >Linux 4 ?!!! :-) > > > > but i got an error > > > > cannot open /lib/modules/2.4.4/modules > > > > There is no directory /lib/modules/2.4.4 > > >Did you do "make modules_install" ? > > >Rajen. > Yup i did. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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block yahoo and MSN
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

> > > to block yahoo messenger, you have to block > > > msg.messenger.yahoo.com, to block msn messenger, you have to block > > > messenger.hotmail.com, and a whole load of other hosts that are > > > redirected from there. If your ><snip ipchains rules> >You forgot how you would deal with messengers over httpd (Should there >now be a RFC for rpc.httpd? We already have a xml implementation >available). >Stopping IM is a matter of policy and cannot be wholly solved in a >technical manner. Please contact management and tell them to write an >AUP and enforce that. I was unable to log onto yahoo, ICQ and msn from certain terminals and was able to do so from others. After spending a lot of time i found that after reducing the security level in the Internet Explorer to low I was able to log on to them (thro win98). MSN still gives me problems though. See if you can use it the reverse way. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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ping was (no subject)
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

>What is the meaning of the foll. output of ping. > >[root@dreams /root]# ping 192.168.42.1 >PING 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) from 192.168.42.244 : 56(84) bytes of >data. >Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. <-- (1) >64 bytes from 192.168.42.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=689 usec >64 bytes from 192.168.42.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=287 usec > >My system time is alright in the above case. > > > >[root@dreams /root]# ping 202.54.1.18 >PING 202.54.1.18 (202.54.1.18) from 203.199.57.4 : 56(84) bytes of data. >ping: sendto: Operation not permitted | >ping: wrote 202.54.1.18 64 chars, ret=-1 | >ping: sendto: Operation not permitted > <---(2) >ping: wrote 202.54.1.18 64 chars, ret=-1 | > This means you cannot ping to this ip. This is the ip of vsnl server. If you are using vsnl account it means your net connection is down. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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(no subject)
by ashok iyer 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

What is the meaning of the foll. output of ping. [root@dreams /root]# ping 192.168.42.1 PING 192.168.42.1 (192.168.42.1) from 192.168.42.244 : 56(84) bytes of data. Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. <-- (1) 64 bytes from 192.168.42.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=689 usec 64 bytes from 192.168.42.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=287 usec My system time is alright in the above case. [root@dreams /root]# ping 202.54.1.18 PING 202.54.1.18 (202.54.1.18) from 203.199.57.4 : 56(84) bytes of data. ping: sendto: Operation not permitted | ping: wrote 202.54.1.18 64 chars, ret=-1 | ping: sendto: Operation not permitted > <---(2) ping: wrote 202.54.1.18 64 chars, ret=-1 |

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Updation
by noel seq 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, noel seq wrote: > > > Also, i could not do depmod -ae linux-2.4.4 after copying the > >depmod -ae 2.4.4 not linux-2.4.4 > >Philip i tried depmod -ae 4.2.4 but i got an error cannot open /lib/modules/2.4.4/modules There is no directory /lib/modules/2.4.4 Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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problem with java config
by tushar kanti mohanty 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

i have got red hat 7.1 on my machine.I installed jdk1.3 which was in rpm format however i am not able to compile my java programs my jdk installation directory is /usr/java/jdk1.3/ i have set the following envirnoment variables JAVA_HOME /usr/java/jdk1.3 CLASSPATH . PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin JAVA_PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3 i have also got kaffe anathor java compiler it works fine but i want to work with suns implementation of java when i try to run the java compiler "javac" from the /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin directory i get the following error messages /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/javac: error while loading shared libraries :libjvm.so: cannot load shared object file:no such file or directory it appears the library libjvm.so: is missing i didnt find it in the lib directory.or is it because of some kind of conflict with the other compiler kaffe i dont think that is the matter. what do i do? bye tushar what do i do ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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block yahoo and MSN
by swami 07 Jul '01

07 Jul '01

hi Linuxers, I am using redhat 6.2 and my squid version is 2.3.stable1-5. I want to block or put user authentication for Yahoo Messenger and MSN messenger in squid, can anybody tell how to do it?

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a suggestion
by Varun 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

could it be arranged so that a mail is circulated everyday which summarizes a command on linux? i think it would increase the efficiency of a lot of people like me.

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linux java config problem
by tushar kanti mohanty 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

i have got red hat 7.1 on my machine.I installed jdk1.3 which was in rpm format however i am not able to compile my java programs my jdk installation directory is /usr/java/jdk1.3/ i have set the following envirnoment variables JAVA_HOME /usr/java/jdk1.3 CLASSPATH . PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin JAVA_PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3 i have also got kaffe anathor java compiler it works fine but i want to work with suns implementation of java when i try to run the java compiler "javac" from the /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin directory i get the following error messages /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/javac: error while loading shared libraries :libjvm.so: cannot load shared object file:no such file or directory it appears the library libjvm.so: is missing i didnt find it in the lib directory.or is it because of some kind of conflict with the other compiler kaffe i dont think that is the matter. what do i do? bye tushar what do i do ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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problem with java config
by tushar kanti mohanty 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

i have got red hat 7.1 on my machine.I installed jdk1.3 which was in rpm format however i am not able to compile my java programs my jdk installation directory is /usr/java/jdk1.3/ i have set the following envirnoment variables JAVA_HOME /usr/java/jdk1.3 CLASSPATH . PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin JAVA_PATH /usr/java/jdk1.3 i have also got kaffe anathor java compiler it works fine but i want to work with suns implementation of java when i try to run the java compiler "javac" from the /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin directory i get the following error messages /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/javac: error while loading shared libraries :libjvm.so: cannot load shared object file:no such file or directory it appears the library libjvm.so: is missing i didnt find it in the lib directory.or is it because of some kind of conflict with the other compiler kaffe i dont think that is the matter. what do i do? bye tushar what do i do ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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my tomcat has more than 9 lives
by Philip S Tellis 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

I have tomcat running through apache (mod_jk). No one ever uses it though, so technically, it shouldn't be doing anything. However, I've noticed that after a day or so, there are about 30 java processes running, all attached to tomcat. The logs show that no one tried to access it (in fact, other than me, no one's even used apache on the machine). These processes take up loads of cpu time and basically slow down the machine. Any ideas? Anything I should try? Anything else you need to know? Philip -- Did you know that for the price of a 280-Z you can buy two Z-80's? -- P.J. Plauger Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with Partition Table
by Kinjal Sonpal 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Sometime on Jun 29, Kinjal Sonpal assembled some asciibets to say: > > installing Linux.. However after installing Linux, Win98 shows 3 > > partitions as c,d and e where e: shows the contents of what > > previously belonged to d: and now the d: show me an error message of > > "Invalid media reading drive d " > give us the output of /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda (run as root). Here's the output .. ---------------------------- Start ----------------------------------- Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1245 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 747 6000246 b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 748 995 1992060 b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda3 996 1245 2008125 5 Extended /dev/hda5 * 996 1200 1646631 83 Linux /dev/hda6 1201 1245 361431 82 Linux swap --------------------------- End ----------------------------------------------- thanks a lot for replying :-) Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #48 - 16 msgs
by Naveen 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

hey can any one tell me what is lost+found directory used for ?? --Naveen ----- Original Message ----- From: <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #48 - 16 msgs > Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > > From the ILUG-BOM digest list! > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. remounting a directory at a different place (Philip S Tellis) > 2. Recovering an unfscked disk (partly OT) (Satya) > 3. Re: Recovering an unfscked disk (partly OT) (Satya) > 4. Re: Which kernel? (Pankaj Jangid) > 5. [OT] Noisy hard disks (Satya) > 6. Re: Problems with Partition Table (Kinjal Sonpal) > 7. Re: Problems with Partition Table (Philip S Tellis) > 8. Sector 80 (Kunal Jhunjhunwala) > 9. Standardizing The Penguin (Kunal Jhunjhunwala) > 10. Re: Problems with Partition Table (Pankaj Jangid) > 11. RE: Certificate Server (Sameer Anja) > 12. Re: Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin (Kompalli SuryaPrakash) > 13. Re: SIOCADDRT: No such device (S. Krishnan) > 14. Re: Kernel Updation (S. Krishnan) > 15. Re: Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin (S. Krishnan) > 16. Kernel Updation (noel seq) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:27:25 +0530 (IST) > From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> > To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] remounting a directory at a different place > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > someone had asked if it was possible to use the space from / in /usr > > i found this in man mount: > > Since Linux 2.4.0 it is possible to remount part of the > file hierarchy somewhere else. The call is > mount --bind olddir newdir > > > maybe that can be used > > -- > Treat end of file conditions in a uniform manner. > - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) > > > Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ > Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ > > MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:37:56 +0530 (IST) > From: Satya <satyap(a)satya.virtualave.net> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Recovering an unfscked disk (partly OT) > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > [For those who don't know, IDE hard disks are hda=primary master, > hdb=prim slave, hdc=secondary master, hdd=sec slave] > > So this morning I woke up, checked my email, and... started hearing > noises from hda. Ugh. fsck went nuts on the next reboot, as well as > the next. All sorts of weirdness. > > My dealer suspects a problem with this particular model of hard > disk. IBM DTLA something... he says the platters used may be bad. Also > suspects heat problem. > > Now for the interesting bit. I seem to have recovered most of my Linux > installation by installing RH6.1 temporarily on hdb, putting my old > hda as hdd, and a new Seagate as hda. Created the partitions > (somehow... egads, DOS fdisk, Linux fdisk, and Disk Druid simply do > NOT play nice!), then mounted each of /, /home, and /usr (/var is on > hdb and safe, and /lib is on /... I ought to separate it). > > Used cp -ax to copy all the stuff from hdd to hda, on the appropriate > partitions. One reboot later, everything came up... except postfix the > Great Mail Server. Seems most of /etc/postfix ended up in /lost+found > on the last fsck. So I hand-recovered the essentials, dumped the rest > in /etc/postfix/lostfound, and restarted postfix. Voila. We're back in > business. > > Rest of the night will be spent in watching hda like a hawk, and > rebooting hdd a few times to see if it's a transient problem. > > Amazingly, hdb is a Quantum Bigfoot. I've had it for 3 years, and I've > heard all sorts of bad things about it. hda I've had for < 1 year. > > The name of the temporary installation? "bootstrap". > > -- > Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> > US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> > Murphy was an optimist. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:39:51 +0530 (IST) > From: Satya <satyap(a)satya.virtualave.net> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Recovering an unfscked disk (partly OT) > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Jul 5, 2001 at 19:37, Satya wrote: > > >Used cp -ax to copy all the stuff from hdd to hda, on the appropriate > >partitions. One reboot later, everything came up... except postfix the > > One odd thing -- all the new partitions appeared to be a few percent > bigger than the old ones. eg., /old/usr was 1.2GB, /new/usr was > >1.4GB. > > Any ideas why? > > -- > Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> > US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> > Sorry... my mind has a few bad sectors. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:37:31 +0530 (IST) > From: Pankaj Jangid <pankaj(a)yugandhar.ncst.ernet.in> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Which kernel? > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > > which kernel version i have compiled? Is there any way to find out? > uname -r > > regards > pankaj > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:46:10 +0530 (IST) > From: Satya <satyap(a)satya.virtualave.net> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Cc: nukkad <nukkad-list(a)mumbai-central.com> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Noisy hard disks > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > My new (as in, bought today) Seagate Barracuda 20GB is making > high-pitched (sounds to be around 10kHz) whines now and then. Is it > going to fail or something? Is this normal? > > -- > Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> > US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> > Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Kinjal Sonpal" <kinjalsonpal(a)softhome.net> > To: "Linuxers" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with Partition Table > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:00:55 +0530 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Philip Tellis wrote : > > > Create your windows partition as primary, then your extentended > > partition. Put linux and windows second partition in your extended > > partition. You may want to put your boot image on the windows > partition > > so that it is within the first 1024 cylinders. > > If I install Linux in the extended partition, will i be able to boot > using lilo or some other boot manager tool ? > and i also didn't understand what did u mean by > > > put your boot image on the windows partition > > Do u mean to say *put boot image in the second windows partittion* ? > > I am planning to install Debian Distro, for which, I believe it needs > around 3-4 partitions for /usr, /bin, etc. along with the regular swap > and the root partitions .. > So, shud I keep all these partitions as extended partitions ? > Please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere as I am not fully aware of > all these concepts .. > > BTW, are there any good docs regarding this topic ? > I'd gone thru' man page of lilo but didn't get much explanation > regarding the partitions and similar things .. > Thanks again for replying > > Warm Regards, > $ sonpal -kj > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:01:51 +0530 (IST) > From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> > To: Linuxers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with Partition Table > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Sometime Today, Kinjal Sonpal assembled some asciibets to say: > > > If I install Linux in the extended partition, will i be able to boot > > using lilo or some other boot manager tool ? > > and i also didn't understand what did u mean by > > Yes. > > > > put your boot image on the windows partition > > > > Do u mean to say *put boot image in the second windows partittion* ? > > No, on the first. Your boot image is just a file (vmlinuz or bzImage or > whatever you called it). You should copy it to your windows partition, > and tell lilo to find it there. You will also be able to use loadlin to > boot then. > > > I am planning to install Debian Distro, for which, I believe it needs > > around 3-4 partitions for /usr, /bin, etc. along with the regular swap > > and the root partitions .. > > So, shud I keep all these partitions as extended partitions ? > > Yes. Linux partitions can be anywhere. Even spread out on multiple > disks (single partition on multiple disks is also possible). > > > BTW, are there any good docs regarding this topic ? I'd gone thru' > > man page of lilo but didn't get much explanation regarding the > > partitions and similar things .. > > Possibly the linux installation howto, but I haven't seen it. The best > thing you can have is the will to experiment and the will to take risks. > Fear of the unknown is the biggest hindrance in such matters. > > Philip > > -- > "Let every man teach his son, teach his daughter, that labor is honorable." > -- Robert G. Ingersoll > > > Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ > Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ > > MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Kunal Jhunjhunwala" <kunal(a)getmonked.net> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:32:23 +0530 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Sector 80 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Hi, > Does anyone know what Sector 80 is, with respect to storing devices? hard > disks, floppies, zip catridges, cds, etc etc? > Thanx. > Kunal > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Kunal Jhunjhunwala" <kunal(a)getmonked.net> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:13:26 +0530 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Standardizing The Penguin > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Hi, > What do you guys think about these steps? I think its a great decision.. any > comments from the gurus? > Kunal > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:57:01 +0530 (IST) > From: Pankaj Jangid <pankaj(a)yugandhar.ncst.ernet.in> > To: Linuxers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with Partition Table > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Kinjal Sonpal wrote: > > > I am planning to install Debian Distro, for which, I believe it needs > > around 3-4 partitions for /usr, /bin, etc. along with the regular swap > > and the root partitions .. > In debian there is no need to create /usr /bin etc.. but it is a good idea > to do that because if you plan to reinstall the system in future then you > can remount existing /usr partition without formatting and format other > partitions. > > Regards > pankaj > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Sameer Anja" <sameera(a)tech.globalesecure.com> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Certificate Server > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:19:40 +0530 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > go to www.openca.org > > They have an opensource CA. > > -Sam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of S h i s h i r > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:20 AM > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Certificate Server > > > Does any one know about a product similar to a Certificate Server, for > Linux? I need to be a root CA and issue certificates to clients over a > browser. > > TIA, > Shishir > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. > Linuxers mailing list > Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:59:37 +0530 (IST) > From: Kompalli SuryaPrakash <neosurya(a)yahoo.com> > To: Linuxers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > >Linux > >System Administration :-) > >Can someone please suggest some good books that can help him to learn > >Linux System Administration faster .. > >(BTW, he is not a total newbie to the Linux world) > U cud suggest Linux Admin. Made Easy - Its' a good book, And an online > version is also available. Try RH unleashed - downloadable from the books > section of ILUG. > Bye, > SP > -- > > Please NOTE: - > I have changed my Email ID to neosurya(a)yahoo.com > from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com > _ _ > |/ |_ |_| > |\ompalli _|urya| rakash > > MSN : - neosurya(a)hotmail.com > Email: - neosurya(a)yahoo.com > Phone: - 022-5506101 > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:22:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: "S. Krishnan" <sri_krishnan(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIOCADDRT: No such device > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > You'll need to run the kernel config util for this. > If you're comfortable with the bash command line, > chdir to /usr/src/linux, and do a "make mrproper" > followed by a "make config". If you prefer a somewhat > more intuitive interface, use "make menuconfig" for a > ncurses based console interface, or alternatively > "make xconfig" if running X. > > Al these "make <choice>config" options will give you a > set of choices on kernel config, which you will have > to enable. Next, a "make dep", followed by "make > install", "make modules" and "make modules_install" > should see you through the kernel rebuild. > > Look at the Kernel HOWTO, where all this is explained > in excruciating detail (http://linuxdoc.org). > > HTH, > > Krishnan > > > --- Mayur Joshi <joshi_mayur(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Linuxers, > > > > I have a newwork of 2 machines running RH 7.0 on the > > network 192.168.2.0. > > > > I was trying out Heartbeat(High availibility > > solution for Linux) on those 2 > > machines. I have configured Heartbeat to listen to > > ip 192.168.1.x. I tried > > to route request to 192.168.1.x to the network of > > 192.168.2.0. When I > > restart the network I get the error: > > > > SIOCADDRT: No such device > > > > In the docs of Heartbeat I found that I may need to > > enable IP aliasing in > > the kernel build. They asked to check for > > /usr/src/linux/.config and check > > CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y. Now I don't find that file in the > > specified path. I just > > want to know on RH 7.0 how will I come to know > > whether that option is set or > > not. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Mayur Joshi > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at > > TIFR. > > Linuxers mailing list > > Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:24:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: "S. Krishnan" <sri_krishnan(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Updation > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > --- noel seq <noelseq(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi friends, > > > > I was able to compile a new linux kernel 2.4.4 on my > > office comp and booted > > fine. However whenever i do a linuxconf, it gives me > > a Broken pipe error. > > > > Also, i could not do depmod -ae linux-2.4.4 after > > copying the bzImage and > > System.map and did just a depmod -ae > > > Please advise. > > Don't use linuxconf, its broken. > > Krishnan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: "S. Krishnan" <sri_krishnan(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > --- Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, S. Krishnan wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > 4. "Sed and Awk" by <don't remember correctly, but > > > probably Arnold Robbins> > > > > [snip] > > > > Add to this Mastering Regular Expressions by Jeffrey > > E. F. Friedl. > > Unfortunately, the Friedl book is a US edition and > costs over $30. However, "Learning Perl" provides a > good introduction to regexes, and "Programming Perl" > follows up. I wanted to buy the Friedl book a couple > of years ago, but was put off by the price, especially > when there were enough alternative references on > regexex. Actually, I've been trying to persuade Akbar > of SPD/ Computer Bookshop to publish the Friedl book > as an Indian edition, which he says he will if there > is sufficient demand. > > > Don't know how any Sysadmin can get by without using > > regexes. > > > Quite. > > > While on the topic, I will be giving an ACM lecture > > on Regular > > Expressions on Friday 20th July at NCST. Hope this > > is ample advance > > notice. > > > I'll be there. > > Cheers, > > Krishnan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > From: "noel seq" <noelseq(a)hotmail.com> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:34:15 +0530 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel Updation > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > > fine. However whenever i do a linuxconf, it gives me > > > a Broken pipe error. > > >Noel > > > >Don't use linuxconf, its broken. > > > >Krishnan > > > Is there an alternative to linuxconf / netconf ? or do i have to do > everything through the scripts. Will i have to install a newer version of > linuxconf ? > > Thanx > > Noel. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Linuxers mailing list > Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > End of Linuxers Digest

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Problems with Partition Table
by noel seq 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

>On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, noel seq wrote: > > > Make sure you put the lilo within 1024 cylinders because older > > kernels have this limitation. Fdisk (from linux cd) will give you > >It's lilo, not the kernel that has the limitation. If the kernel had a >limitation, then you wouldn't be able to use a harddisk larger than 1024 >cylinders. Since it is lilo that has the problem, only your kernel >image needs to be within 1024 cylinders. Once the kernel is loaded, all >limits are lifted. > >Philip Sorry. My mistake. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Problems with Partition Table
by noel seq 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

> > Create your windows partition as primary, then your extentended > > partition. Put linux and windows second partition in your extended > > partition. You may want to put your boot image on the windows >partition > > so that it is within the first 1024 cylinders. > Boot from bootable diskette dos/win98/win98 and use fdisk First create a primary partition of 6 GB and set it active. Next create a partition of the balance space. This will all go into the extended partition. format first partition with dos /win95/win98 floppy install windows on the first partition. >If I install Linux in the extended partition, will i be able to boot >using lilo or some other boot manager tool ? >and i also didn't understand what did u mean by Next Boot through Linux CD and repartition the second partition (extended) to however way you want. Make sure you put the lilo within 1024 cylinders because older kernels have this limitation. Fdisk (from linux cd) will give you the cylinder no details. Accordingly create the partitions that you want for win98 (d:) swap, /boot, /usr and /root. Install lilo on the MBR. Regards, Noel. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Kernel Updation
by noel seq 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

> > fine. However whenever i do a linuxconf, it gives me > > a Broken pipe error. > >Noel > >Don't use linuxconf, its broken. > >Krishnan > Is there an alternative to linuxconf / netconf ? or do i have to do everything through the scripts. Will i have to install a newer version of linuxconf ? Thanx Noel. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin
by Kinjal Sonpal 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi all luggers, One of my friends is an WinNT System Admin and now he wants learn Linux System Administration :-) Can someone please suggest some good books that can help him to learn Linux System Administration faster .. (BTW, he is not a total newbie to the Linux world) Thanks a lot in advance. Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj

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Kernel Updation
by noel seq 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi friends, I was able to compile a new linux kernel 2.4.4 on my office comp and booted fine. However whenever i do a linuxconf, it gives me a Broken pipe error. Also, i could not do depmod -ae linux-2.4.4 after copying the bzImage and System.map and did just a depmod -ae Please advise. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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SIOCADDRT: No such device
by Mayur Joshi 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Dear Linuxers, I have a newwork of 2 machines running RH 7.0 on the network 192.168.2.0. I was trying out Heartbeat(High availibility solution for Linux) on those 2 machines. I have configured Heartbeat to listen to ip 192.168.1.x. I tried to route request to 192.168.1.x to the network of 192.168.2.0. When I restart the network I get the error: SIOCADDRT: No such device In the docs of Heartbeat I found that I may need to enable IP aliasing in the kernel build. They asked to check for /usr/src/linux/.config and check CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y. Now I don't find that file in the specified path. I just want to know on RH 7.0 how will I come to know whether that option is set or not. Best regards, Mayur Joshi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with Partition Table
by Kinjal Sonpal 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Sometime on Jun 29, Kinjal Sonpal assembled some asciibets to say: > > installing Linux.. However after installing Linux, Win98 shows 3 > > partitions as c,d and e where e: shows the contents of what > > previously belonged to d: and now the d: show me an error message of > > "Invalid media reading drive d " > give us the output of /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda (run as root). Here's the output .. ---------------------------- Start ----------------------------------- Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1245 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 747 6000246 b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 748 995 1992060 b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda3 996 1245 2008125 5 Extended /dev/hda5 * 996 1200 1646631 83 Linux /dev/hda6 1201 1245 361431 82 Linux swap --------------------------- End ----------------------------------------------- thanks a lot for replying :-) Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Standardizing The Penguin
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi, What do you guys think about these steps? I think its a great decision.. any comments from the gurus? Kunal

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Sector 80
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi, Does anyone know what Sector 80 is, with respect to storing devices? hard disks, floppies, zip catridges, cds, etc etc? Thanx. Kunal

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[OT] Noisy hard disks
by Satya 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

My new (as in, bought today) Seagate Barracuda 20GB is making high-pitched (sounds to be around 10kHz) whines now and then. Is it going to fail or something? Is this normal? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.

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Which kernel?
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Hi, This may sound a like a stupid question, but how do i know which kernel version i have compiled? Is there any way to find out? Kunal

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remounting a directory at a different place
by Philip S Tellis 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

someone had asked if it was possible to use the space from / in /usr i found this in man mount: Since Linux 2.4.0 it is possible to remount part of the file hierarchy somewhere else. The call is mount --bind olddir newdir maybe that can be used -- Treat end of file conditions in a uniform manner. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Next Meet
by Nikhil Karkera 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- "noel seq" <noelseq(a)hotmail.com> wrote: When and where is the next meet. Is it this sunday 8th ? ------------------ End ---------------------- Next meet is on 17 July at TIFR. It's after the RMS lecture I think. Meet announcements are put up on the LUG site: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Re: [[ILUG-BOM] Suggest Good Books for Linux Admin]
by ashok iyer 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Look out for System Administrator's Guide and Network Admnistrator's Guide at www.ibiblio.org. Excellent reference material. There is another one that was available on the web somewhere called "Securing and Optimizing Red Hat Linux". I am not aware of the URL, probably google can help. Regards, Ashok

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Phone dialer, telephony
by Manish Jethani 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

I need a phone dialer for Linux. A program that can dial a number, play a sound file (a pre-recorded or on-the-fly generated message) and then disconnect. Manish -- Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3 -- not even for large values of 2.

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Running fetchmail
by noel seq 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

I am using fetchmail in deamon mode every 5 mins to currently to download all mails. However the number of pop accounts have increased. Moreover some of the accounts receive mails more frequently while some receive only a few in a day. I want to run two deamons one every 5 mins and another every 15 mins. I am able to run two seperate scripts (other than .fetchmailrc) but when one time works in daemon mode the other cannot be executed. Please advise. Noel. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[OT] A Solution to Linux/Unix Permissions
by Prakash Shetty aka Crux 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Dear Linuxers, Heres a good patch for the Linux Kernel to improve on the Unix Permision System The url is http://trustees.sourceforge.net/ Heres a snippet from the site to let you all know what this is about <snip> The main goal of Linux trustees project is to create an advanced permission management system for linux. In fact, UNIX permission system is not suitable for solution of very common tasks. E.g., let a system administrator wants to create a directory that available for some groups in write mode, for another groups - in read only. The files in the directory and subdirectories should inherits the parent's behavior, unless other is stated explicitly. Using standard UNIX (and linux) security model it is generally speaking impossible to implement the situation when different groups have read/write and read/only permissions. This issue can be resolved by ext2-fs ACL project, but the problem is that nobody wants to copy mask or ACLs from parent directory to subdirectories either by hands or using special scripts. <snip/> Best Regards Prakash Shetty

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Need HardDisk Space for /usr
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Hi There, the O/P of df on my PC is as follows: - Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 349989 162741 169179 50% / /dev/hda5 980308 896632 33880 97% /usr /dev/hda8 666480 414096 252384 63% /mnt/d-dos Is it possible for me to use some of the disk space of / to the /usr without affecting data on either one? BTW, If we need to add some extra space to any partition, without affecting the data, how do we do it? Thnx in advance... Bye, SP -- Please NOTE: - I have changed my Email ID to neosurya(a)yahoo.com from ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com _ _ |/ |_ |_| |\ompalli _|urya| rakash MSN : - neosurya(a)hotmail.com Email: - neosurya(a)yahoo.com Phone: - 022-5506101 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Next Meet
by noel seq 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

When and where is the next meet. Is it this sunday 8th ? Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Increase the file size limit
by Hotmail 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Hi, I have a mysql database with me which is currently around 4GB in size. When I do a mysqldump for this database and redirect it to a file, I have problem with the file because of the limitation of the linux filesystem of 2GB is there any way I can increase the filesystem limit. Currently I am using gzip to compress the data and redirect it to the file. This however works but I do not want to compressed this file. TIA. Ciao, Volstan Stephen.

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Best tools for a database application?
by Nikhil Karkera 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

I need to choose a good combination of front & back ends for a database application. The application is quite simple. It is basically a muster, where employees can sign in by entering an employee-ID. For this I need to store a database of all employees with some basic fields like ID, name, etc. When someone enters an ID, a validity check is done and if valid the ID is stored into a table. My requirements: 1. Application will need to work on throw-away machines, like a 286 or 386. But the machine will be used solely for this application. 2. I need to use a language which is easy to learn (time constraint), given the fact that I only have knowledge of C and some C++. 3. Tomorrow I may need to add some more functionalities to the application. Basically running different queries for retrieving data. Also size of the employee database may increase. For starters I am looking at 100 to 1000 employees. For the database I guess mySQL would be ideal. (or is there a better option?) What should I use for the front end? And reasons for it. Many thanks, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Suggestion
by Fart Crimson 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Hi, I had heard that you guys had an IRC server running on irc.ilug-bom.org.in. My li'll suggestion how about running Jabber server. Fart

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RH 7.2 & kernel 2.4.5 CDs required
by Mr. Sameer Shinde. 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Hallo Linuxers, Can any body burn the CDs of RH 7.2 & kernel 2.4.5 or higher for me. as I can't affort to purches it form freeos.com Let me know how many blank CDs will be required for it. So that I can purches it & give for burning. I'm staying at Navi Mumbai. & will be pleased if any person close to this area do this for me as the contact will be fast in this case. With Thanks & Regards, SAMEER :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit My website at: www.geocities.com/s9sameer My messanger IDs : MSN: s2sameer, Yahoo! : s9sameer Rediff Bol : s2sameer Aol : s2sameer

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] re : Mayuresh /c help
by Mayuresh A Kathe 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

> its Triptpal -- ( Tript = satisfaction in many languages ) :) Oops, sorry about that... Hmnn... Satisfaction, et all, eh... ;-) > Triptpal Singh > There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, > or control a firm resolve of a determined soul. That's a great quote... ~Mayuresh -- The best way to predict the future, is to create it.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] ulimit query
by Fart Crimson 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

hi u need to add the `ulimit' commands to the /etc/profile file to set system wide ulimit resources. u should also add the equivalent `limit' commands in /etc/csh.login for tcsh/csh users. Alternatively, explore PAM and /etc/security/limits.conf. Hope the info gets u started Fart

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sorry guys
by premstud＠vsnl.com 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Sorry guys . Will take care in the future..

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Philip wrote: > > I think lossy compression applied to most of the web content (read > > junk, crap, "design") will make the world (wide web) a better place. > >Use lzip for this. It's the best tool around. Can get up to 100% >compression. LOL! For a minute there, I wasn't sure whether you had got the hang of the thread - it took a while to realise you were talking about lzip! :-) SameerDS. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] vpn setup
by nici bhatt 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Hi if you look at this error it seems there r 2 errors one is of port and second is of dhcp could not assign ip address to client so what you need to do is 1> have you given any ip address pool or you are using DHCP server then look in to configuration of poptop and see where you have to mention ip address pool or dhcp. 2> by default when you enable vpn, ports are open by default if this is the case then your installation is not proper . this is only wild guess i am not sure because you have not given full info. if you need to open ports manuly then edit service file and key in ports number i am not sure about this. i will try to find this if i will get it i will mail you >From: premstud(a)vsnl.com >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] vpn setup >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:28:17 +0530 (IST) > > >hello friends > >I am trying to setup a vpn on linux using poptop >http://poptop.lineo.com/download_pptp.html > >The server installed and started fine, but when i try >to connect a client to it, i get an error message saying that >there are no free ports or ip's to be given to the client >And it justs gives this error and doesnt accept client connections. > >any help would be appreciated. > >Thanking You, >Prem D'Souza. >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Aseem <aseem(a)ports.cmc.net.in> wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, N. Shrikant wrote: > Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? try yourself. on linux note the file size before compression. and then then compress it with gzip, bzip2, winzip. and you will find that all these utilities do compress the files. compression you get depends on file format. i found that gzip compresses more for text files while bzip2 was good for binary file compression. i found both gzip and bzip2 better than winzip when it comes to maximum amount of compression. ---------------------- End --------------- Yep, you are right, compression results do depend on the file format. Compression basically reduces redundancies in data. Some file formats are already in compressed form. Like JPEG, MP3 etc. An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. So compressing these file formats won't give you very high compression ratio, since most of the redundancies have already been eliminated. Try saving a (fairly large) BMP as a JPEG file. Notice the reduction in size, which is a result of compression. If, interested in compression techniques, you'll find loads of reading material on the Net. If you know someone from the engineering fraternity, try getting hold of books like 'Computer Networks' by Tanenbaum, or 'Principles of Comm. Systems' by Taub & Schilling. Look for Information Theory in the latter. These are the books I came accross. There are many more. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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re : Mayuresh /c help
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Tritpal Paaji, Please do _NOT_ send ..........................etc etc its Triptpal -- ( Tript = satisfaction in many languages ) :) Thanks ..it was an oversight on my part .. i have set my outgoing mail to plain text . Regards, Triptpal Singh There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, or control a firm resolve of a determined soul. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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re : cvs
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

reference : I have a stupid question to ask. What is this CVS thing ? answer : I hope i am right when i refer to cvs as this but this is what seems likely CVS is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system. CVS is useful for everyone from individual developers to large, distributed teams. Its client-server access method lets developers access the latest code from anywhere there's an Internet connection Its unreserved check-out model to version control avoids artificial conflicts common with the exclusive check-out model. Its client tools are available on most platforms anything else is available on http://cvshome.org/ Regards, Triptpal Singh There is no chance, no fate, no destiny that can circumvent, or hinder, or control a firm resolve of a determined soul. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

>> >>just that I am really feeling sick about the whole issue of >> >>Simputer. >> > >> > Tell me more! >> >>Sameer, which area would you like to know more about? > > I want to know why you feel that way - I have only heard good things about > the Simputer for a long time, but you seem to have a different view OK... Well, to start with, I liked the efforts put in by the IISc guys, but what most people fail to understand is that it was done while keeping a commercial aspect in mind which is where Encore comes in picture. Now just considering the fact that they have targetted the Simputer at the Rural areas it seems to be a stupid to sell such an expensive device to them, where a more powerfull computing device can be sold at around the same costs. I am still unable to convince myself that a handheld would be more usefull to a person from the rural place than a proper trasport, communication infrastructure, power lines and water supply. So it comes around to the fact that those companies are basically trying to make money (or rather come out of their debts) by beating the drum in a sentimental "Made in India" band. Hope I am clear now... As a project Simputer might be good... But as a product, its pathetic. Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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vpn setup
by premstud＠vsnl.com 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

hello friends I am trying to setup a vpn on linux using poptop http://poptop.lineo.com/download_pptp.html The server installed and started fine, but when i try to connect a client to it, i get an error message saying that there are no free ports or ip's to be given to the client And it justs gives this error and doesnt accept client connections. any help would be appreciated. Thanking You, Prem D'Souza.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re : C help
by Mayuresh A Kathe 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

> Triptpal Singh > Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile. Tritpal Paaji, Please do _NOT_ send HTML mails, all of don't have a HTML capable email client Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re : C help
by Mayuresh A Kathe 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

> Triptpal Singh > Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile. Tritpal Paaji, Please do _NOT_ send HTML mails, all of don't have a HTML capable email client Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Do we have a problem?
by Philip S Tellis 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

In today's Bombay Times, Vijay Mukhi states that he has never been anti linux, and that C++ is just a newer version of C. This is the same Vijay Mukhi who will be teaching our cops how to use Java, C# and TCP/IP, all in an attempt to get them to know more than the `hackers'. Philip -- What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I definitely overpaid for my carpet. -- Woody Allen, "Without Feathers" Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

> A more powerful device doesn't mean more power in their hands. > You could give them a p3 but that p3 will only have value as long > as they're actually getting something out of the power. I did see Now thats what I meant in my earlier mail (Arnold theory ;-) Unless they are using the tremendous power offered by the StrongARM, its a waste. > the simputer at IISc in Bangalore and from what I could see, this > has tremendous value as a information dissemination device. > Philip was right in saying that the primary use is likely to be > for output rather than input. This is definitely not a pathetic > product. Thats where you are wrong Mayank, the simputer is too sick as a information dissemination device, its best suited as a information gathering device. And as I said earlier, in the current state that they have positioned the Simputer, its not worth the hype. > You should check out this India today article > http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20010219/adapters.shtml. It > shows fisherman in kerala using GPS positining devices as well as > [snip] > Please don't make the mistake of assuming that since they're poor > and illiterate, they cannot ever learn to use a simple device > like the simputer. Mayank you are going at tangents... What made you think that I am assuming "since people are poor they cannot ever learn to use a simple device"? What I have mentioned is, the person will have to learn an extra script, and the device is certainly not worth that effort. But the Simputer certainly isn't simple enough nor is it sophisticated enough, it hangs somewhere in between with no identity what so ever. GPS positioning devices are one of the most sophisticated instruments I have come across and they are _verrrry_ expensive. > Relevant question here is whether there will be people who are > willing to manufacture the device and also provide the content > that is essential to the receiver of the content. I don't think a > farmer in North India would be interested in the prices of fish > down in kerala. The device is here as it the technology, but when > do we see it in the hands of the masses? People would be willing to manufacture it if they just want to hop on to the bandwagon, else they would want to manufacture it if the device makes some business sense. Regarding receiving content: Well don't you think it to be stupid not to include a wireless interface _inside_ a handheld portable device? But since they wanted to keep the costs low they had to put in a standard modem which hooks on to a phone line, now if the person wants to surf he has to be sitting near a phone jack, so what the heck, why not add a keyboard, mouse and an inexpensive monitor, and voila, you have an ultra low cost desktop. I don't see it in the hands of the masses in its current state, somehow I think the designers got their basic concepts wrong. ~Mayuresh

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Re : C help
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

wrt : I need to know If there is an online > (dowloadable or otherwise) verion of a good book on > C/C++ > like Dennis Ritchie / Bjarne Stroustroup... Ditto > for Unix. N/W prog. like Richard Stevens... I had > seen the 2nd Edition and felt it was mostly about > how different commands work answer goto : http://www.acm.org/crossroads/xrds3-2/ovp32.html U will find all u need Regards, Triptpal Singh Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Q u a s i <quasiabhi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: At 04:33 PM 6/29/01 +0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote: >An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. err. IMHO WAV -> MP3 is more than just plain compression. A lot of sophisticated techniques are used to decide which data is redundant and can be removed. The resultant compression is "lossy" - original data cannot be retrieved after decompression. Ditto for BMP -> JPEG. ---------------- End ------------------------ Yes, lossy compression techniques do throw away data. In case of images, JPEG exploits the limitations of the human eye, and throws away data in such a manner so as to try make the loss of data as unnoticable as possible. (image is represented in the form of a discrete signal I(x,y); pixel intensities represented by magnitude; signal magnitude is quantised to certain number of levels; no of quantisation levels variable; lesser quantisation levels = more compression & lesser quality; quantisation throws data). So also for MPEG compression. I guess it woldn't be right to call lossy compression a data compression technique (data = 0's and 1's), but rather an information compression technique(information = picture/sound represented by the 0's and 1's). But it is compression. Lossless compression on the other hand is a data compression technique. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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CVS
by Rajen Parekh 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Hi all, I have a stupid question to ask. What is this CVS thing ? I come across it at many places, mostly on download pages, but don't know anything about it. Could anyone enlighten me ? Regards, Rajen.

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[OFF TOPIC] Looking for Windows programming reference books
by S. Krishnan 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Hi, I need the following Windows systems programming books urgently. If anyone is has them, I'd request either a short-term loan (say a week to 10 days), or alternatively, I'd be willing to buy them from anyone who wants to sell. 1. Systems Programming for Windows 95, by Walter Oney 2. Writing Windows VxDs & Device Drivers; Programming Secrets for Virtual Device Drivers, by Karen Hazzah Please e-mail me offlist if you can help me with these. TIA, Krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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$MAIL: New mail notification in bash
by Manish Jethani 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Bash has this feature of notifying you when you have new mail. The MAIL env. var. needs to be set to include the mail folders that need to be checked for new mail. On my system, I have included some of my Pine folders (e. g. $HOME/mail/linuxers) in $MAIL. I would like to know how bash "checks for new mail". Does it just use the "last accessed time"? I am sorry, I couldn't find any info on this in the manpage. My problem: After getting the notification ("You have new mail in linuxers") and reading the new message(s) using Pine, bash _again_ tells me that I have new mail. I suspect it just uses the last access time, which makes it so dumb in my case, because the message gets "marked as read/old" (thus modifying the mail folder file) since I have _just_read_it_. In short, it notifies me twice, once when I have new mail, and again when the mail has just been read. Any of you guys using this? How do you cope with it? Manish PS: I run fetchmail in daemon mode, so mail notification on the command line is cool for me. -- "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." -- Thomas De Quincey (1785 - 1859)

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Reminder: ACM Seminar on Data Compression, Friday June 29
by Durgesh D Rao 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Dear Colleague, This is to remind you of the following ACM event. Once again, sorry for the delayed email. - Durgesh, for ACM Mumbai ACM Seminar Friday, June 29, 2001 - 6:30 p.m. Title: Data Compression Speaker: Sayyed S. A. A., NCST Venue: Lecture Theatre, NCST, Juhu Abstract:Data compression techniques are applied to files to reduce their size, which in turn increases the capacity of data storage and speeds up data transmission. Data compression draws heavily from information theory, which deals with the probability of some symbol appearing in the input. For totally random sources, each symbol is equally likely, but random sources are uncompressible. This means that the more probable an event, the less information it contains. Data compression techniques also work on this principle. If we look at real-world files, we find a lot of redundant data in them. Data compression exploits this redundancy to its advantage. I intend to give an overview of data compression About the Speaker: Mr Sayyed is a consultant in the Database and Knowledge Engineering division at NCST Juhu. His interests include Databases, compression and encryption. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Durgesh D Rao (DDR) | Email: durgesh(a)ncst.ernet.in Research Scientist, KBCS Division | Ph: 6201606x372(w), 7563437(r) National Centre for Software Technology | Fax: +91-22-6210139 Gulmohar Rd 9, Juhu, Mumbai 400049, INDIA.| Web: www.ncst.ernet.in/~durgesh ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re-building the kernel
by Mayuresh A Kathe 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Yup, this mail fixes it :-) ~Mayuresh > > Hi, > Sorry about the html.. hope this fixes it... > > As for the re-building the kernel.. i meant updating it with fixes of a > remote machine... a machine on which i dun have hands on access.. > > Philip answered my question.. > Thanx > Kunal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mayuresh A Kathe" <mayuresh(a)vsnl.com> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re-building the kernel > > >> Hi Kunal, >> >> What do you exactly mean by re-building the kernel of a remote server? >> >> Awaiting your reply. >> >> ~Mayuresh >> >> PS: >> DO NOT send HTML mails, you are using Outlook Express, >> but most of us do not have an HTML aware email client. >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi, >> > I couldnt find anything on the ILUG site, on how to re-build the >> kernel of >> a > remote server... Could some one direct me to the right page? >> > Thanx, >> > Kunal >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >> Linuxers mailing list >> Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. > Linuxers mailing list > Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re-building the kernel
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Hi Kunal, What do you exactly mean by re-building the kernel of a remote server? Awaiting your reply. ~Mayuresh PS: DO NOT send HTML mails, you are using Outlook Express, but most of us do not have an HTML aware email client. > > Hi, > I couldnt find anything on the ILUG site, on how to re-build the kernel of a > remote server... Could some one direct me to the right page? > Thanx, > Kunal

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Slackware
by Philip S Tellis 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Slackware 8.0 is out. Has anyone written it to CD yet? Philip -- As Will Rogers would have said, "There is no such things as a free variable." Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re-building the kernel
by Kunal Jhunjhunwala 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Hi, I couldnt find anything on the ILUG site, on how to re-build the kernel of a remote server... Could some one direct me to the right page? Thanx, Kunal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

> It would help if you could explain what you found lacking in their > X-implementation. And I don't understand what you mean by scalability in > the context of a Simputer. One of the biggest problems with the Simputer is it uses X. > | If you have to make > |a group of simputers work to help people you will have to rewrite hazzar stuff > Group of simputers working together to do what? I hope you understand that > Simputer is not for highend distributed computing. Just the fact that they are using X makes it straight away lean towards distributed computing. Do you know the power a StrongARM@206Mhz offers (remember its a RISC machine)? Its tremendous, putting it in a sickly handheld capable of doing the current things is like recruiting Arnold Schwarzenegger to pour you a glass of milk everyday. What Somesh probably meant by working together is networking... Devices so small should be able to network effortlessly with not just with their own kind, but also with desktop machines. > | I agree with mayuresh that > |a group of engineers can't make something worth the hype of simputer . > |In its present design simputer is useless piece of silicon. > > May be it is. May be it is not. But we should reason why it is or why it > is not. The reasoning will continue... ~Mayuresh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

>> Encore developed the hardware and the IISc guys developed or rather >> put together the software, there are just a few instances where the >> IISc guys have litterally written the device drivers (I had > > IISc developed IML, the IML browser, text to speech converter for hindi > and kannada, integration of tts into IMLI, tapatap and some other user > space stuff. All system level stuff was taken from linux development > with minor changes. The IML browser (Imli) is actually "Chimera"... Actually I don't think they "developed" tapatap, but rather implemented one of the free handwritting recognition algorithms. I think most of the System level stuff (including the kernel) were taken from the StrongARM Linux port (I think that was the LART project) But they sure did a great job of implementing those technologies, better than re-inventing the wheel :-) ~Mayuresh

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NIC drops output
by Satish Dasi 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Hi this is a newbie here I have 2 NICs both recognized by kudzu as RTL 8139 and RTLtoo. However after i changed the ip address on eth0 it started to behave strangely. Both the cards didnt ping their own ips neither the ips of the network machines to which they were connected. Is there a prob with the cards or with Linux generic divers????? Pls help me out in this Thanx in advance Satish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

> The main thing is that IISc will not be building the simputer. Only its > specification. The specification is released openly under the SGPL, and > anyone can build an implementation. The software is downloadable under > the GPL. Got that... But, what I am trying to point out (unsuccessfully) is that, I admire the things done at IISc (had interacted with one of the guys) but based on the things done at IISc (including the true goal of reaching the masses) companies like Encore are taking a free ride on getting the government to subsidize certain operations of theirs, that is really sick, beacuse for them its primarily business. Any ways, just for a bit of info about Encore, they have a whole lot of old 486 laptops lying with them which they are ready to sell off at dirt cheap rates (remember my earlier post regarding the same?), that just goes to prove the condition of the company... Well, its their job, let them do it as per what they think is right. > Anyway, I thought the project was good, and you didn't. Lets leave it > at that. Yup, sorry if I gave an impression that I want to prove you wrong or that I am right, just that I am really feeling sick about the whole issue of Simputer. Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Remote Installation
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

> Hi Linux Champs, > Is there any [simply ANY] way to install Linux REMOTELY. > I know this question is stupid, but any REMOTE possibilities, > ideas, thaughts, etc are really appreciated. U mean?? Like one doesnt have direct access to the keyboard / mouse of the machine on which u are going to install Linux? I dont remember any distro which can do that right now, But If u mean accessing the media containing the installation files remotely, with u sitting in front of the machine u want to install linux on, then this can be done using NFS,ftp or HTTP install.... u need to use the bootnet.img available on any any installation disk and boot off a floppy. Then follow instructions... Bye, SP -- _ _ |/ |_ |_| |\ompalli _|urya| rakash MSN : - ksuryap(a)hotmail.com Email: - ksuryap1(a)yahoo.com Phone: - 022-5506101 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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simputer
by Philip S Tellis 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Ok, I think before anyone posts anything more about the simputer, you should first read *everything* on their website. There's no point arguing here about stuff that's already in the faq. Like I say always, read the docs, and don't ask questions that are already answered there. That's what the docs are meant for. Philip -- Make the coupling between modules visible. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

> The product is an Open Source hardware project, which has naturally used the > Open Source approach to its software development as well. The IISc has > undertaken the devlopment, with the active cooperation of many others. Now > that it has reached the kickoff stage, it is possible to reach out and > commercialise the production. So Encore (as I understand from the mails, I > do not recall seeing any announcment to that effect, but then I haven't > surfed thru the site either for a couple of fortnights) is one of the > companies that has decided to do this. Encore has not one of the companies that has decided to do this after the project is over, rather Encore has had vested interests since begining and has been investing on the hardware heavily. So simply put, the situation is like: Encore developed the hardware and the IISc guys developed or rather put together the software, there are just a few instances where the IISc guys have litterally written the device drivers (I had interacted with one of them, a guy called Pai, don't remember is first name though) > If the ex-factory cost is 3k and the retail price is 6k, does anyone think > this is wrong? Vickram, the ex-factory costs can't be 3K, just the base component costs are 3K. As in my earlier mail, add the rest of the stuff and voila, you have a "White Elephant". ~Mayuresh

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Simputer
by Vickram Crishna 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

I have been browsing thru the debate on Simputer, and am curious about some of the directions this has taken. The product is an Open Source hardware project, which has naturally used the Open Source approach to its software development as well. The IISc has undertaken the devlopment, with the active cooperation of many others. Now that it has reached the kickoff stage, it is possible to reach out and commercialise the production. So Encore (as I understand from the mails, I do not recall seeing any announcment to that effect, but then I haven't surfed thru the site either for a couple of fortnights) is one of the companies that has decided to do this. If the ex-factory cost is 3k and the retail price is 6k, does anyone think this is wrong? I very much doubt that the company will make any money at all on this for many years to come. Unless of course, it takes off like a rocket (a la i-mode in Japan) in which case I am sure that others will jump on the bandwagon and the price will fall. Till then the 3k gross margin per piece will flow out like water, absorbed by thirsty distribution, marketing and overhead costs. Why am I so interested? As some of you will know from my earlier mail, I have initiated the Hawking Communicator project in Open Source (www.radiophony.com/hawking.html) and at some point this project too will move towards commercialisation. I am keen to discuss all aspects of this with as many groups of people as possible, so that we as developers are properly prepared to do whatever it takes to get the software used. This is not the forum for such a discussion, so please do join in the development discussion at Yahoo!groups (/radiophony) or mail me directly. Vickram Crishna

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RE: Remote Linux Installation [WAS: Simputer]
by Kunal Walia 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Try GHOST ! >===== Original Message From linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in ===== >Hi Linux Champs, >Is there any [simply ANY] way to install Linux REMOTELY. >I know this question is stupid, but any REMOTE possibilities, >ideas, thaughts, etc are really appreciated. >Thx, >Sandeep > > > >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers - Kunal ******************************************************* Your work needn't be lost if you ever built castles in the air, now just build foundations beneath them. *******************************************************

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

>>just that I am really feeling sick about the whole issue of >>Simputer. > > Tell me more! Sameer, which area would you like to know more about? ~Mayuresh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

>>Now tell me Philip, if you have used a handheld computer, is it >>easier/faster to type or scribble? >>Mind you, scribbling is not the same as writing. >>And the hand writing recoqnition technology can never be perfected, > > Did you read about the stuff called "tapatap" that they describe on their > website? From what I gather, they have devised a very rudimentary input > mechanism for very simple interaction when requird. Keep in mind that the > device is intended for _illiterate_ villagers, and nobody expects them to > enter any data in it. That is mentioned explicitly in the wired.com article. Now now Sameer, there you go again... Have you ever worked on a handheld? I too probably wouldn't have except for a rich friend of mine. What do you think would it mean by a rudimentary input system? Do you think just by placing a few taps you can access any data? For accessing data, you need to place queries, and queries need explicit search parameters, how do you suppose that can be achieved? >>the best of technology companies like Apple, Palm and a few Russian >>(who pioneered it) companies have tried and failed miserably. > So WHAT? Even the GNU people were unable to create a kernel for their > system until a University student from Finland came along ... Again, Sameer, have you ever thought about how handwritting recognition works? Have you thought or tried to code a handwriting recognition interface? Do you know how difficult it is? Or rather do you know a simple character like "A" can be written in more styles than one by multiple people with different personality types? That "A" is just from the Roman script, have you thought the complexity of deciphering any of the Indian scripts (I would consider Devnagari to be the simplest). >>Have you figured out the BOM of the Simputer? > I have to confess absolute ignorance in this regard! Thats OK... >>Once you are through with the above, tell me if its possible to create >>a "Simputer" (as the creators have envisaged) > People from the original Simputer team at IISc have established a > commercial venture just to do that - called Picopeta something ... Hmnn... >>One of the best projects in India?? > > Reminds me of the fact that India was the first country in the world to use > satellite communication for mass rural education, that too when India > didn't even have a single communcitation satellite of her own ... > > I think that what the IISc people are trying to do is to turn the concept > of a "computer" on its head. They are trying to use technology to help > people in a way comfortable to them - this is a place where we have to keep > back all our presumptions about human-computer interaction based on the PC. > Think of it as an interactive TV set if you want, designed to disperse > informatin rather than handle complex computing tasks. Now what do _you_ think is the concept of a "computer"? As you mentioned that "They are trying to use technology to help people in a way comfortable to them", that is exactly what _Human Computer Interaction_ is all about... So we cannot keep back all our presumptions about Human Computer Interaction... > I had always hoped to get close to the Simputer project if I had been able > to get into the IISc for my post-graduation; but I guess that won't be > happening now! If you hoped to get to IISc, well thats good, thats a neat place with lot of facilities... But if you hoped to get close to the Simputer project, forget it, its not worth it... Just a bunch of techies don't make great computing devices, for that you need to have experts on HCI and somebody with a clear vision about what is to be done. Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Zen, network topology, and Linux.
by Satya 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Hypothetically... I have a DSL connection to the World. A hub is plugged into it, and 2-6 computers into the hub. Naturally, the computers have a class C (?) between them, which should not be routable from the World. The computers have their own connection to the World through the hub and DSL. I think the whole thing is a star topology, at least for the internal network. Is what I have described above correct, and possible? I suppose ideally, one of the Linux boxen would get the DSL line and act as firewall to the rest through the hub? Now... whichever way, how do I do it on Linux? ipchains alone is enough? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/> Within five minutes, ReRob learned that walking through the basement of Fuller Labs wearing futuristic body armor and pushing a variable-geometry motorcycle raises eyebrows. Telling students that this is the true power of UNIX didn't help. -- Undocumented Features I.

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ulimit query
by Kanti Jadia 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Sir, I need to set the ulimit parameter for all the users so that it is fairly large(Linux kernel 2.2.14). The problem is if i do the same for root than it is done easily,but when it comes to user x,it is giving me Operation not permitted.Can i set it globally for all users. Hoping for the best Kanti Jadia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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TUMTUM - Technology Unto Masses
by G Waraich 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

In an attempt to garner political support for Linux, Jansangh, the parent organization of BJP is the first to embrace and promote Linux for bringing technology right down to the grass root levels. A temporary website for TUMTUM, which would act as a vehicle for bringing technical awareness to masses has been setup at http://tumtumonline.tripod.com The first awareness campaign, however is titled "How to Trace a Lost Mobile Phone" and it discusses the following issues 1)Country-wide, state-wise and metro-wise statistical data on the total mobile phone subscribers in India till April 2001. 2)the role of ESN/IMEI numbers and EIR/HLR registers in tracing lost or stolen cellular phones. 3)radio triangulation techniques, fore-runner of MPS, mobile positioning systems, for locating the position of a mobile vector for providing location based services. Early in July, a national convention of Akhil Bharatiya Jansangh is scheduled to be held in mumbai, where along with other things on their agenda, following two things shall be taken up 1) A formal incorporation of the technology division 2) A "bhashan" on why Linux is the only choice to bring technology to the masses and bridge the digital divide. Date, time, venue of the convention would be communicated to ILUG Mumbai Junta, as soon as available. Please be generous with your comments, suggestion, criticism about this development. Have fun, Vande Mataram. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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