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GDM PostLogin equivalent for KDM?
by Koustubha Kale 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

Hi, I need to run some stuff as root after users log in to the server. Need access to $REMOTE_HOST & $USER etc. This server has KDE & users don't want GNOME. Is there an equivalent to GDM PostLogin/Default for KDE? Or is there any other way to achieve same results like by inserting my code lines in some script Or by putting in a script somewhere? Regards Koustubha Kale

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Simple bandwidth monitoring for MTNL Tri-Band router
by Koustubha Kale 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

Tried simple mrtg bandwidth monitoring for my MTNL Tri-Band router D-Link DSL-502T. Works too.. [1]http://www.anantcorp.com//D-Link_ADSL_router_mrtg_howto.txt in case anybody wants to know how.. regards Koustubha Kale References 1. http://www.anantcorp.com//D-Link_ADSL_router_mrtg_howto.txt

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Problem with broken package, Ubuntu 6.06
by Kamaleshwar Morjal [कम लेश्व र मो रजाल] 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

Hello, I am a new to the world of Linux. I have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed on my machine. And I have a problem with it, I apologise for such a long mail but to be on the safe side, I thought it would be better to describe the problem as elaborately as possible as I am unaware of the functioning of this system. Since this version of Ubuntu did not come with gcc i tried getting and installing it from the internet. But while doing so (I admit I was totally unaware what I was doing..) I somehow messed up with installed packages on the system. The installation of a package called libc6 did not complete successfully and I got some error saying all dependencies could not be satisfied. It also said (although I don't precisely remember the exact message..) that a service called "gdm" is running that interfered with the installation. [Till then I was unaware of the [package managers available on board; my fault! Didn't read the manual!] Then, when i tried using the package manager [The "Add/Remove" utility & Synaptic] the software refused go any further saying there is a broken package on the machine that needs to be removed first. It instructed me to run the command "apt-get -install -f" at the terminal. I did. The message I got there was that two more packages (ubuntu-base & ubuntu-minimal) will have to be removed from the system along with the broken package "libc6". I cancelled the process right there.. Because the warning said it would free up more than 2GB space on the disk on removing the ubuntu-minimal package. I suspect this must include quite essential parts of the system and therefore chose not to remove it then before getting more information about it. But I am not able to install any more packages unless I remove these three packages from the system. Meanwhile I also requested the latest version, 7.04 (Fiesty Fawn) of Ubuntu from the Ubuntu website and have received the disk today. I have seen that it includes updated versions of some of the packages, has gcc preinstalled, and I suppose, is definitely an improvement over Dapper Drake. Now my doubt is: 1. How can I resolve the error on my installed system, 6.06 LTS (the problem described above)? 2. Is removing the package "ubuntu-minimal" from the system safe? Can it be restored to previous state? (I'm on dial-up, downloading 2GB of data is an impossibility!) 3.* Is there another way? can i install the latest software i received today (Ubuntu 7.04) overwriting the previous one, but preserving the user accounts, settings, software and data that i've already stored there? For instance, I've installed Mozilla 2.0.0.6, while v 7.04 comes with Mozilla 2.0.0.3! Can i keep the newer version there without messing up anything? (I also have plug-ins like Flash Player for Mozilla installed..) 4. If not 3, can I at least keep the data on the disk unharmed while installing the new (Ubuntu 7.04 over Ubuntu 6.06 LTS) OS. Asked 1 and 2 just for gaining knowledge about what can be done in such a situation, however I want to install the newer version nevertheless, so please at least show me a way to do at least one of 3 or 4 if possible! I really appreciate your cooperation and concern. { * Here I try to describe the currently installed system's configuration as much as I can comprehend and remember. 1. one password protected user account. 2. dial up connection set up. (for modem set-up, I used the scanModem script, thanks to http://www.linmodems.org/; it was very useful and easy to work with) I use "wvdial" to connect to the internet. 3. Mozilla 2.0.0.6 installed (removed the default 1.x version that was preinstalled), + Flash Player plug-in + loads of Mozilla extensions. 4. I have a dual boot with M$ (khidkiyan :p), so, all doors and windows mounted (read FAT32 & NTFS drives! =)); actually Ubuntu does that by default; no pain. 5. 405 MB of data on the Linux drive. Can I preserve it while installing V 7.04 over V 6.06 LTS. 6. Currently fsck, while booting, gives me an error saying the boot sector and its backup are different, and provides all the offsets/differences that it encountered. If fsck logs it to a file, i can post it here if i know where it is logged, that might give a better picture. } [[ About my internet connection.. Although i somehow know that my connection uses CHAP authentication, i get the following logs at the terminal every time i use "wvdial".. --> Warning: Could not modify /etc/ppp/pap-secrets: Permission denied --> --> PAP (Password Authentication Protocol) may be flaky. --> Warning: Could not modify /etc/ppp/chap-secrets: Permission denied --> --> CHAP (Challenge Handshake) may be flaky. Any information would be really enlightening there.. ]] Thank you very much and regards. :) -- "LUCK i$ the RE$iDUE of GooD De$iGn" kamaleshwar morjal (कमलेश्वर मोरजाल) http://www.eficacy.com/

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Sorry bout the read rcpt in my prev post
by Koustubha Kale 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

List, Sorry about the read rcpt in my prev post. Keep forgetting the bloody thing since I am now using my office account ( as messages to the list from my prev yahoo account kept bouncing.) -- Regards, Koustubha Kale

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postmap -q ( query error )
by Agnello George 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

Hi On my postfix server when i try to query the database i get the following error [root@mail ~]# postmap -q "agnello(a)niteshn.info" /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf postmap: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf.db: No such file or directory can some one please tell me where i have gone wrong Thanks -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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Revoking/Objecting to Software Patents in Indian Patent Office
by Saurabh Nanda 25 Sep '07

25 Sep '07

http://spicyipindia.blogspot.com/2007/09/spicyip-tidbits_23.html India, prima facie, does not allow pure software patents or business method patents. But that doesn't stop companies from trying. The Indian Patent Office is already being flooded with the patents described as "A web based system to do XYZ" or "A computer system in conjunction with XY to do Z" With no one opposing them (and not enough noise about this, like in the case of pharma patents), there's a high probability that this would get granted. Does anyone know of a concerted effort to keep this kind of cruft out from our country? Any pointers? Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com

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Text Editors versus IDE - Your opinions
by Roshan 25 Sep '07

25 Sep '07

List, Terms used: IDE: Integrated Development Environment CS: Computer Science IT: Information Technology I was thinking about this for sometime now, and realized, that there wasn't any emphasis on the "tools" being used in courses (graduate, postgraduate) (CS and IT). They may not be of utmost importance, but I'll like to know your opinions and choices. 1. Most of the courses use Windows as their OS and have Notepad as the default text editor used for programming languages such as Java etc. Even for HTML, CSS etc, notepad remains the default text editor. Notepad (default) doesn't have any syntax highlighting or other options. Surprisingly, students are told they learn better, if they are not equipped with these. (Text editor features) I wonder, programmers under *nix, have Konsole ( ;) ) based text editors as well as GUI text editors (Just to differentiate for the sake of it: vim, nano and Kate, Emacs, gEdit) which provide syntax highlighting and a host of other options. Are they at a loss? 2. IDEs are great for development. Because, they hide the actual commands of compiling, interpreting / running the program. (some) They also enable the user with point-click tools and generate code for those tools / components. Surprisingly, the same students are allowed to use the Turbo C++ 3.0 (16-bit compiler) IDE with syntax highlighting for C / C++ programs and are able to write typical C / C++ programs later. The question is, are Text Editors better for students to begin programming or are IDEs better for students? (Irrespective of the language) Text Editors in Windows and GNU/Linux have capabilities that allow the process of compilation, interpretation, execution, identation, adding comments, etc. In some sense, Text Editors nearly is an IDE. -- http://www.gnu.org.in ubunturos @ freenode 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html

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maildrop- Temporary authentication failure.
by Agnello George 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Hi All I am trying to use maildrop as a MDA when i send a mail it give me a error [root@mail ~]# echo "test" |mail -v -s "agnello" agnello(a)niteshn.info [root@mail ~]# tail -f /var/log/maillog ........ ........... Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/qmgr[5074]: BC21B2814F: from=< root(a)mail.postfix-spam.com>, size=562, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/smtpd[5216]: disconnect from mail.postfix-spam.com[127.0.0.1] Sep 24 13:54:15 mail maildrop[5226]: *Temporary authentication failure. *Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/pipe[5225]: BC21B2814F: to=< agnello(a)niteshn.info>, relay=maildrop, delay=0, status=deferred *(temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Temporary authentication failure. )* could some one *please* tell me where i have gone wrong. And how to correct the problem -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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maildrop:Temporary authentication failure
by Agnello George 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Hi All I am trying to use maildrop as a MDA when i send a mail it give me a error [root@mail ~]# echo "test" |mail -v -s "agnello" agnello(a)niteshn.info [root@mail ~]# tail -f /var/log/maillog ........ ........... Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/qmgr[5074]: BC21B2814F: from=< root(a)mail.postfix-spam.com>, size=562, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/smtpd[5216]: disconnect from mail.postfix-spam.com[127.0.0.1] Sep 24 13:54:15 mail maildrop[5226]: *Temporary authentication failure. *Sep 24 13:54:15 mail postfix/pipe[5225]: BC21B2814F: to=< agnello(a)niteshn.info>, relay=maildrop, delay=0, status=deferred *(temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Temporary authentication failure. )* could some one pls tell me where i have gone wrong. And how to correct the problem -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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[Cross-Post] FOSS.IN/2007 - Call for participation
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Hi, The call for participation is now out. Clicky [1] Now! [1]http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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telnet issue port 25
by Agnello George 23 Sep '07

23 Sep '07

I have set up a ( postfix) mail server and i am try to telnet post 25 but not abel to do so but if stop the iptables iam able to telnet thne same . This machine is a virtual server . could you pls tell me waht is wrong with my iptables file A VZ_INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_INPUT -m tcp -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 53 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --sport 80 --dport 1023:65535 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --sport 22 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 1023:65535 --dport 53 -j ACCEPT -A VZ_OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT COMMIT Thank you -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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Regarding Nagios Network Monitoring Tool
by zoheb ashraf 22 Sep '07

22 Sep '07

Dear ILUG-BOM, I am having very critical probkem regarding Nagios Network Monitoring Tool. As I installed nagios in Redhat Linux AS4 through RPM and i dont know what to do after that, I think i have to do Some changes in configuration file eg- /usr/local/nagios/etc/hosts.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/hostgroup.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/services.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/servicegroup.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/contacts.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/contactsgroup.cfg /usr/local/nagios/etc/timeperiod.cfg I am not very champ in linux so please help me out. Thanks & Regards Zoheb Ansari

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[ANNOUNCE] GPG Keysigning party at freed.in 2007
by Raj Mathur 22 Sep '07

22 Sep '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The managers of freed.in 2007 (http://freed.in/) are pleased to announce that we will host a GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) key signing party on both days of the event. A GPG key signing party enables people from diverse places to verify, validate and sign each others' GPG keys. This helps build the Web of Trust, and ultimately moves towards achieving the goal of empowering individuals with the means for private and secure communications. More details on GPG can be found at http://gnupg.org/ . The How to Participate in a GPG Keysigning Party document at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/KeysigningParties gives details on participating. Please contact Raj Mathur at <mailto:raju (at) linux-delhi (dot) org> if you have any queries. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology & Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG9KceyWjQ78xo0X8RAu8YAJ9VTJHr4gGovwMBfwEQL0YPQQR4zwCfeQml AgpgXKBmUmFJd60D3byLe3Q= =nR79 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Etch dvds (3)
by jtd 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

hi all, I require a set of etch dvd's. I have mailed the "cd available" guys, but have not recieved feedback (yet). -- Rgds JTD

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maia-mailguard error while accessing http://localhost/maia
by Agnello George 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

HI I am gettng a blank page when trying to access the http://localhost/maia ( i have followed instruction as per wiki ) following is the log that i recvd frm /var/log/httpd/maia-error_log ##################################################################### [root@mail maia]# tail -f /var/log/httpd/maia-error_log [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Fatal error: Cannot use object of type PEAR_Error as array in /var/www/html/maia/admin/configtest.php on line 292 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 79 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 82 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Fatal error: Class 'Log' not found in /var/www/html/maia/maia_log.php on line 87 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 79 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 82 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Fatal error: Class 'Log' not found in /var/www/html/maia/maia_log.php on line 87 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 79 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant PEAR_LOG_DEBUG - assumed 'PEAR_LOG_DEBUG' in /var/www/html/maia/config.php on line 82 [client 192.168.0.208] PHP Fatal error: Class 'Log' not found in /var/www/html/maia/maia_log.php on line 87 ################################################################# I have not undestood where i went worng . PLs let me know how to resolve this . -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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[OT] [Announce] Yahoo! Bangalore Open Hack Day
by Philip Tellis 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Yahoo! Bangalore is organising an open hack day on the 5th and 6th of October in Bangalore. In short, if you're interested in getting together with like minded hackers and writing code, mashing up web APIs and just doing something cool, this is the place to be. More details available on http://hackday.org/ Register at http://hackdayindia.eventwax.com/hack-day-india Philip -- hello world

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parameter for postfix !!!
by Agnello George 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Hi I tried googling for the following parameters, but none of them are mentioned in the postfix site : ( where can i find the meaning for the following parameters ) ( the following parameter are mentioned in the howtoforge tutorial ) main.cf smtpd_pw_server_security_options virtual_mailbox_extended virtual_mailbox_limit_maps virtual_mailbox_limit_override virtual_maildir_limit_message virtual_overquota_bounce Thanks -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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maia-mailguard
by Agnello George 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

HI i am using maia-mailguard on my mailserver for per use/domain administration of their spam setting I have installed it as per the nstruction in http://www.maiamailguard.com/maia/wiki/Install i am however recving a error in the in th emaillog client 192.168.0.208] PHP Fatal error: main() [<a href='function.require'> function.require</a>]: Failed opening required 'Log.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:./libs:') in /var/www/html/maia/core.php on line 81 could some one pls explain what i need to do -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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Re:[Forward]Mandriva Linux 2008 Installfest: November 17th, 2007
by Easwar Hariharan 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mandriva Team <return(a)mandriva.com> Date: Sep 19, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Mandriva Linux 2008 Installfest: November 17th, 2007 To: meindian523(a)gmail.com Mandriva Linux 2008 will be released soon! In order to celebrate this event, to bring Linux to new users and present the new features available in Mandriva Linux 2008, Mandriva would like to coordinate a worldwide Installfest on November 17th, 2007. Expert Mandriva Linux users are invited to assist beginners to help them get started with the operating system. Participants will be able to get help on installing Mandriva Linux 2008 on their laptop or desktop, get all answers to their questions and meet other Linux users. If you would like to hold an install party in your country, please contact lugs(a)mandrivalinux.org and we will send send you: * Mandriva Linux One 2008 * stickers * posters * pens * electronic communication kit Check out all the information on Mandriva Community wiki : http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Community/Events/Installfest2008 If you have any question concerning the event, do not hesitate to contact us at lugs(a)mandrivalinux.org. What say guys?? Regards, Easwar

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per-domain spamassisn administration
by Agnello George 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

HI As metioned before i have set up a postfix server with mysql database , using work around tutorial , but since i am trying to ISP mailserver with rellerer control pannel ( using postfix admin ).. there is no way to manage the amavisd and spamassisn rules for individual domains and users ... does any one have a work around for this ... your input will be of great help -- Warm Regards Agnello . G .Dsouza

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[Announce] PlugMash event - 13-14th Oct
by Devendra Laulkar 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Announcement ------------ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group (http://www.plug. org.in<http://www.plug.org.in/>) is organising a techie event called PlugMash. It is a hack-a-thon/ mashup camp, to bring together developers and contributors( or geeks/nerds) of the FOSS community. A 2 day hackfest to generate some serious (and some not so serious) code. No boring lectures & talks... Its all about getting your hands dirty. You can put in your ideas at http://plug.org.in/mashup/index.php?Ideas You can find more details at http://plug. org.in/mashup/ index.php <http://plug.org.in/mashup/index.php> The event is going to be held on 13th - 14th(Sat/Sun) October at Bhaskaracharya Pratishthana, Law College Road, Pune. For more details, please visit the PlugMash website - The FAQ lists answers to most questions. Feel free to inform colleagues/friends about this event. -Devendra Laulkar ------------ --------- -- http://www.laulkar. com/ <http://www.laulkar.com/>

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Blender Issues.
by Rony 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Hello All, I have installed Blender 2.4 for Windows along with Python 2.5.1 for a client. Blender imports the .3ds file format from 3D Studio. However, in 3D Studio, it has to be exported from .max format to .3ds first. Now what happened was that after exporting from max to 3ds into Blender, a chair has turned into a drawing board used by draughtsmen with an extra pole sticking perpendicular out of the board. Has anyone on this list had such teething problems in Blender? What could be the work around for this? I will check it out on the net too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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Semi-commercial: Ekalavya/Red Hat Scholarships award winners
by Venkatesh Hariharan 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

The list of winners of the Ekalavya/Red Hat Scholarships 2006-2007 is now up at: http://ekalavya.it.iitb.ac.in/showRhsResult.do The software developed by these teams can also be downloaded from the above link. Around 947 student groups participated this year, with 40 making it to the final short list. This is a joint program between the Ekalavya program of IIT Bombay and Red Hat. Venky

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[COMMERCIAL] System Administration posts at Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida
by Sudhir Gandotra 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Hello, We are detailing herebelow our requirements for the post of System Administrator. If you think, that on a scale of 1 to 10, you cross 5 as an average on every point, call us (on numbers given below) to fix the interview appointment and we meet to discuss further. Please send your resume offline to me. The posts (4 of them) are primarily in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida. System Administrator with Minimum Experience of 9-12 months of doing the following activities : Samba with ACL permissions - File-sharing, Backup/Recovery/Troubleshooting, ACL-permission, Log-management, etc. Primary Domain Controller (PDC) - Domain-creation, Multiple PDC's in single network, Group-creation, Unix-group mapping with NT group, User-management, Trusted Domain relationship, Backup/Recovery/Troubleshooting, WINS setup and maintenance, NetBIOS knowledge Mailserver (Qmail, Sendmail, Postfix) - Domain/Sub-Domain & multiple (virtual) Domains Management, Spamassassin, Clamav, RBL, TLS, Blacklist, SMTP-auth, SSL-key, POPs, IMAPs, User-management, Log-management, etc. Firewall/VPN service - Iptables, Ipchains, DNAT, SNAT, IP-Forwarding, Masquerading, Port-forwarding, Port-scanning/blocking/opening etc., V-LAN management, Routing between LANs, PPTP (tunneling), ipsec Proxy with ACL - Setup, Config, log/cache/user management, website blocking, bandwith management, user access on time/day basis etc. MySql - Installation, Backup, Recovery, Replication, Trouble-shooting, User-management etc. DNS - Zone-creation, troubleshooting. HTTP - Apache setup, config, optimization, security. DHCP - Standard setup as well as having IP address bound with specific MAC address on network. Network Devices - Switches/Hubs, Manageable switches, VPN router, Network-printer, Wireless-switch etc. RAID/LVM Configuration, Management, Trouble-shooting, Recovery & Filesystem Recovery aspects Network Management Tools - Installation, Configuration, Working Management like Hobbit, Zabbix etc. Also must know about SNMP protocol and implementation of net-SNMP in linux. Remunerations will not be a constraint for the suitable candidates. You can call : Rajeev Kumar at 0-93-101-20917 / 0-93-101-20915

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Solution Required
by Rony 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

jtd wrote: > On Saturday 15 September 2007 19:12, Rony wrote: >> JTD wrote:- (Parts without quotes) >> >> >> >>> OO is not ready for use IS an attitude problem. Especially when it >>> is contrary to my (and hughe number of other people's) experience >>> in using both Msorifice and OO > >> (RB) If that was the case it would sell like hot cakes. Retail >> vendors are always looking out for equivalent solutions. > > You have just taken a giant leap into wrong logic. Selling like > hotcakes has got absolutely nothing to do with the issues being > discussed. Big sales != good software. > Software is created for users, not vice versa. Good software not only means good from inside but an easy to use and intuitive interface outside. For new users it is necessary to train them even on doze software but when pro tools are created as libre replacements to commercial closed software, then they could follow those interfaces so as to eliminate any extra training required for the pro users. > > That means it becomes slightly less crappy, usually by increasing RAM > (memory leaks), higher speed cpu (limiting cpu load), adding AV (poor > security and additional load on cpu). Resources which cost and are > better utilised elsewhere. > No hardware upgrades. BTW even linux needs more resources as distros get newer. >>> >> (RB) This is rubbish. If M$ Office and XP crash 10 times a day, >> most offices will shut down. There will be chaos. Lets not get >> biased so much that we exaggerate. > > I suppose u havent been to a large scale M$ shop with admins > reinstalling tens of machines daily. Besides the fairly common > shutting down of services for "maintanence". Afair the UK pension > system shutdown solid for more than a week. And recently all Vista > machines refused to boot in some town in Sweden. There was a case of > a banks ATMs (300 of em) infected by some crappy worm inspite of all > the "security". > As I had mentioned earlier, Linux is the best option for big organizations. Free of cost license, customisation and high security. > >> (RB) GUI is just an extension of a script. The script you mentioned >> can be run by simply clicking a gui shortcut to it. It is all about >> environment. If you have to work in a terminal only environment, >> naturally command line and scripts is the way. If you are in a gui >> Instead, there is a gui firmware >> interface which only the service personnel would understand and >> they correctly enter the values according to the customer's >> environment and the gui internally creates relevant scripts and >> runs them. > > Nothing wrong in that except when you have to click ten buttons a 30 > times thrice a month, or when the idiot service engineer from the isp > presses the reset button on the modem and u having to send your > engineer to set things right. > You can backup the config file available in the gui and restore it after any mess ups. -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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