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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 50, Issue 19
by Easwar Hariharan 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

> >How do I switch off SELinux > > go to /etc/selinux/config > > SELINUX=disabled Whoops!No directory named selinux in my /etc.There's security AND securetty though..... on your next reboot it'll be off. > > >and what's the > > > criteria for judging whether I need it or not? > > at the bare minimum : > > 7% performance overhead(plus training incompetent adimins if you have any) I don't,I use Linux at home...... v/s > > Better access control > > > SELinux is for highly critical security needs. Most people don't need it > on > > desktop machines. But it is good thing to learn. > > http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux > > Positively Brilliant answer :P > > Only a little more clarity would have helped. > > > If I remember correctly MS was against SE(Security-Enhanced) being added > to > > linux. > > and where did you get this from? Please do share it with the rest of us. Thanx Regards, Easwar

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Error running SERVLET program.
by Rishikesh Khanolkar 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

hi, all linuxers........ i have installed sun-java6 and all other required packages required to run java programs, everything compiles and runs fine.For running servlet and JSP i was installing TOMCAT from aptitude package manager which worked succesfully....... but it dint work,i had to manually download tarballs and had to do the installation manually as google is the friend..... but wen i go ahead compiling a servlet program i get "The import javax.servlet cannot be resolved" error, which means that the servlet package are missin, Hope i get some help here, i suspect some servlet API must b required. -- HaVe A Gr8 TiMe, Take Care, Я เรђ เ.

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Re: * Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:Third time loss of luser account
by jtd 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

On Wednesday 06 June 2007 02:05, Vihan Pandey wrote: > Institution was being funded my M$. Moreover the statement ``while > the software giant does fund the institution, it doesn't fund any > specific research" is pretty dubious :-) Not dubious at all. The statement means M$ did not fund any specific research, therefore consider everything coming from here to be tainted and crap. -- Rgds JTD

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Broadcomm Linux Drivers
by Rony 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Hello All, Here are 2 useful links to the Broadcom Linux drivers. http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices .....This is the list of devices supported. As the site mentions, new kernels have the drivers in-built. "This driver was included into the Linux kernel since 2.6.17-rc2." -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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A Full Aubuntu.
by Praveen A 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

2007/5/29, Vihan Pandey <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com>: > He is and he has also repeatedly praised the Free Software philosophy > and DOES support efforts regarding the same. But when it comes to developing launchpad, he has chosen not to be with the Free Software community, even though he had the power to decide that. > Try searching for GNU on their website you DO get references to Ubuntu > GNU/Linux, Kubuntu GNU/Linux It is by Ubuntu users and not the official stand of the project. > - It does not give importance to Freedom. > > what exactly are you referring to here? Yes their primary goal is > giving GNU/Linux to the masses > and yes they do make freedom secondary. Only making freedom secondary > does NOT imply that they ignore it all together. You cannot compare > them to a M$. So, I support those who do give Freedom primary importance. "We can lose our freedom again just as we lost it the first time, if we don't care enough to protect it." http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html Surely they are better than M$ (or so i believed before reading the blogs linked below, now I have serious doubts of their intentions), but for me those who value Freedom more than merits is important and Ubuntu isn't one of them yet (they have promised to have a completely Free distribution and I will support that wholeheartedly). > > > - "Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge." there is no guarantee > that it will remain Free Software > > After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many > projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? > "Debian will remain 100% free" from Debian social contract with the Free Software Community http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract "gNewSense is Free Software, its mission is to deliver these freedoms to you:" http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/Mission and others http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions > > - On the contrary, they have clearly stated their willingness to > include non-free softwares in their distribution. > > They do include proprietary drivers so new users can use the system, > but other than that what other non free software are they packaging > into Ubuntu? There are Free drivers which work for most of the cases. "There are people like Torvalds that will pressure our community into use of a non-free program, and challenge anyone who complains to provide a (technically) better program immediately or shut up." http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html > > > - They don't believe in Free Software. > Is this your opinion or did a Canonical/Ubuntu representative say > this? If yes please do give that link as well. It is my opinion (after all it is in my talk page, and other claims not mine are given proper references). Some more about launchpad and the dangers of a proprietary format: "What Canonical is trying to achieve here is to collect all the work that the free software have made and will made, and put them under their control. ............ , we all depend on Canonical to continue providing the service." http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/60-Launchpad,-Google-and-why-M… he continues: "................By good marketing, clever programming and commercial pressure, they locked in a lot of people to use Microsoft products and formats. This is evil, but we have found a solution to that: reverse engineering and Free Software. Microsoft can be coped with. But Google and Launchpad were even cleverer. Instead of locking something in, they open everything: It is free, it has nice usable APIs to integrate in applications, and they suck all that opened data in and keep ahold of it. And while Microsoft has a record of doing a bad job when it comes to technical quality, thus helps the alternative, non-evil, Free Software, Google, and probably Launchpad, excels in what they doing, thus reducing the immediate need for alternatives altogether." > > Again, do you have a web > link that states this? There much more in this study http://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and… > Nor do i > want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this > hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the > impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-) Except for th 3D stuff the Free drivers work for ATI and NVIDIA. Now if everyone start shipping the non-free drivers what is the incentive for those who provide Free drivers or the developer who reverse engineer it. I guess I will need to split the reply as it might not go through the size limit. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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confusing results with off line package installation in ubuntu.
by krishnakant Mane 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

hello every one. I according to some suggestions on this list, tried apt on cd and was very much happy with its results. I even wrote a testifying email a few days back. but now I got a strange result which has confused me. I did try my new "ubuntu extra softwares " as I call it cd on another newly installed machine. I had created this cd using apton cd from my computer. configurations of both the machines are same. now when I added the cd into the apt list with sudo apt-cdrom add, it took it happily. but when I said sudo apt-get update the updates did not happen. the error was "some index files failed to download, ignoring or using the older ones". and then I tried sudo apt-get upgrade which some how went fine. some packages were replaced for sure. I then again did sudo apt-get upgrade just to make sure that all is fine. this time I got a list of few packages which were held back. in the list there was the generic kernel headers and modules. this is very surprising for me as it should have taken these packages for the update/ upgrade as well. I just created the cd yesterday and tried it on a very newly installed machine which did not take any updates from internet. the first update ever on that newly installed machine was from my cd. this further surprised me as there should be no clashing packages. the next stunning hitback I got on my face was when I said sudo apt-get install inkscape. here the message was a streight "borken package ". now I know that it is the same inkscape that runs on my machine and I had tried an older apt on cd made disk on another machine where inkscape was happily installed through the cd. but this new cd gives errors of borken package for all the packages. how can this happen. any idea what must be going wrong? one pointer is that when I create the disk using apt on cd, it excludes some packages may be because they are older updates? not sure though. kindly explain. regards, Krishnakant.

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Hi, > There was....but I a newbie thought it was for checkin my HDD which I was > > sure was in perfect condition. > DVD Media should be all right as you were able to install. Right.... > 1.Your home directory is listed as /home/easwarh but it doesn't seem to > > exist.Do you want to login with the root directory as your home > > directory?It's unlikely anything will work unless you do so. > > Options:Yes No.....I selected Yes and proceeded..... > This means for some reason mandrake is failing to mount /home partition > during > boot process. Main reasons could be > 1. May be some bug in distro. > 2. Just guess: Your SELINUX is enabled. Some policy failure during boot > process is causing disabled access to /home partition. Let us know if you > use > home partition from outside of mandrake, eg. from windows OR other linux > install. > Also you can switch of SELINUX if not needed. Nope...I am not accessing Linux partitions from Windows and there's no other Linux on my system.How do I switch off SELinux and what's the criteria for judging whether I need it or not? > 2.$HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored.Your home directory /home/easwarh > > either doesn't exist or you are not the owner.Home directory should have > > 644 permissions and not be writable by other users. > If home is not mounted nothing on home will be visible. > Try googling .dmrc selinux. Will do that..... If same problem occurs in future please do following. > 1. Go to command line login as root. > Check log file /var/log/dmsg, /var/log/messages OR /var/log/syslog for any > failure during boot. > 2. Don't panic use following commands > sh# mount #you should see all mounted partitions, see if /home is > mounted, > if not give next command > sh#mount -a #it should mount your home partition, verify using mount > 3. If everything goes fine goto gui login prompt and try login. > 4. Let us know if it worked. > 5. You can bzip and mail me offlist your log > files /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog. > System logs might be having useful info about previous incidents. Search > logs > by date and time when last incident occurred. Ok......but last time,ie third time I deleted Mandriva partitions and reinstalled,so system logs not available.......the system log might be available for this time ie the time for which I have posted these messages where the reboot did the job..... Regards, Easwar

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POSIX
by Rony 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Hello All, This link is informative about about POSIX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] POSIX
by Kartik Mistry 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

On 6/5/07 Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 20:01 +0530, Rony wrote: > > If I surf and find useful pages, I post them. Members have a choice to > > delete my mails. > > Yes Rony bhai, they have the choice to delete your mails and they > equally have a choice ( and a right which they wish to exercise ) to > complain :/ Yes. I am putting filters now for my IceDove for you both. But, I am wondering why do you think that what you are reading is in benefit of All LUG members? Please grow up. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | Eng: kartikmistry.org/blog 0xD1028C8D | Guj: kartikm.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------

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Multimedia Packages CD
by Roshan 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

All, Most of us install software on our distro (specifically *buntu) using the internet There are odd times, when the hard disk may crash (physical). (or the hdd may blow up due to power surges etc.) For a typical Microsoft Windows user, for freewares, one can ask for setup files from friends and install them back again, after buying a new hard disk ` For *buntu, one would have to download it again from the internet consuming data bytes, for something that was previously downloaded. Therefore, there are several options to it, with one of them suggested by one of my friend. The .deb files of those packages (specifically multimedia ones) could be downloaded for once (from where?) and copied onto a CD. This CD could be used again and again at different places. However, there are few more questions related to this. 1. Apt will and does resolve dependency while downloading / installing packages from the internet. Would there be dependency issues while installing it from CD. If yes, how could this be solved (by copying the required files / libs on to the CD) 2. Does the DVD of *buntu distros have enough multimedia packages which can be installed without the dependency problem? Please note, the reason this initiative has come into picture is that the usage of the Internet is critically limited, in terms of downloads. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC- http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc ubunturos @ freenode Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them at in.groups.yahoo.com

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Request to all listers, please encourage people don't bash!!!
by krishnakant Mane 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

hello all, off late I am finding that good listers who keep on posting interesting material including links are being constantly bashed and discouraged. I am refering particularly to the latest email sent by roni and the subsiquent bashing and flaiming by other lister. look, keep your personal "dis interests " to your self. I remember including myself, many have problems with broadcom devices. recently I had raised an issue about the latest kernel updates that pleasingly surprised me. after this roni sent a link or 2 about the same information so that people on this list facing similar problems could benifit. I think this list is very much for sharing knowledge about gnu/linux and roni did not send any non-interesting stuff just because the flaimer feels so. I believe such kind of responses sends a bad signal to those who like to help others. I found the links very useful and may be others facing similar problems will find them useful too. roni, keep up the good work of sharing knowledge. regards, Krishnakant.

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mail server restrictions
by Kamal Paryani 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

can we have a restriction on any linux based mta namely a particular user is allowed to send email to only list of authorized mail address - say a list of 20 people , he should not be allowed to send mail to anybody besides the people on this list thanks and best regards kamal

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Re: A meet next week
by Easwar Hariharan 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

> > > >> Can't we make it to the 10th,a weekend?Even 9th would do......And > > >> please no > > >> location confusion this time around....... > > > > > > I second that. Please make it after the 9th. > > > > i third that as i well also be there on 9th and 10th > > > > well our guest is not around till 9th/10th unless you want to go to > Kolkata or Kerala. > the meet must happen before 7th. > Well,then count atleast me out.....my engg exams are on and they extend upto the 8th..... Regards, Easwar

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Re: Request to all listers, please encourage people don't bash!!!
by Kartik Mistry 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

On 6/5/07, "krishnakant Mane" <researchbase(a)gmail.com> wrote: > and roni did not send any non-interesting stuff just because the > flaimer feels so. Go Rony Go!! ;) -- -------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | Eng: kartikmistry.org/blog 0xD1028C8D | Guj: kartikm.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------

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pleasingly surprised with vifi on compaq nx7300
by krishnakant Mane 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

hello all and roni in particular. roni, if you remember we tried hard to get the vifi working on my compaq laptop at your house. today after I updated ubuntu feisty I find it perfectly working out of the box! now my only question is that if I happen to format the laptop any time, wil just the updates help me or will I also need to install that broad com driver the way we both did? I want to know from any one who has tried broadcom if linux comes with free modules in the latest kernel? what I am really confused is the fact that just an update fixt my vifi problem. so is this a pure linux driver that has done the trick or is it a combination of the firmware and the kernel? can some one answer this? by the way in the updates list I found that the kernel modules were included and this time around the system demanded a reboot after the updates were applied. this implies that it was not a software update but a serious change to the kernel. regards, Krishnakant.

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Easwar Hariharan 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Hi, > > > > > > > > > I don't trust LFY CD/DVDs. > > > > > > This is speculation / knee-jerk reaction.. the OP needs to clearly > > > communicate the symptoms and other observations before we conclude > > > on whether its a rootkit OR bad media. > > Isn't there a mediacheck option when booting from the Mandriva DVD? There was....but I a newbie thought it was for checkin my HDD which I was sure was in perfect condition. Well,the symptoms reoccurred without loss of acoount thankfully.....a simple reboot did the job..... The messages from when I entered my username and password were as follows:[Not verbatim,they were to the same effect and AFAIRemember,these were those :) ] 1.Your home directory is listed as /home/easwarh but it doesn't seem to exist.Do you want to login with the root directory as your home directory?It's unlikely anything will work unless you do so. Options:Yes No.....I selected Yes and proceeded..... 2.$HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored.Your home directory /home/easwarh either doesn't exist or you are not the owner.Home directory should have 644 permissions and not be writable by other users. Options:Ok...I selected the only option available and proceeded.... My desktop background appeared and there was a dialog box at the top left corner which stated: 3.Couldn't start kconfig(or something like that). Options:Okay....I selected that button coz there was nothing else to click on!It sent me back to the login screen from where I rebooted and when I came back and logged in,everything was fine like a clear,sunny day....... Regards, Easwar

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A small liberty.....
by Easwar Hariharan 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hi all, There is a small campaign going on in a community GNU/Linux (spamfree) on orkut to spread the use of Linux.....owing to my contacts in both the community and this list,I have taken the liberty of directing them to the LUG Bombay wiki to use the brochures which have been created there as a template cum source of info........hopefully,no one minds the use of those brochures,eh? Regards, Easwar

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AST on Operating System objectives
by Vihan Pandey 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hello everyone, i guess there has been a ton of flaming on the matter of mircokernels off late(most of it by me :-). There have also been ubiquitous wikipedia links all over the place about POSIX, microkernels etc etc etc. All of which led me to sit a give the entire microkernel concept an another look. The result being, i thought it best to cool down and get a fresh perspective on things : http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/reliable-os/ Yes it's written by AST :-) and it is a VERY informative article and it DOES considers Linus' point of view as well. Thought it best to share it with the list :-) Regards, - vihan

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Atul has Tagged you! :)
by Atul Agrawal 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

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Re:Third time loss of luser account
by Kartik Mistry 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

On 5/29/07 Easwar Hariharan wrote: > Hi, > I am using Mandriva 07 installed from a LFY DVD.It's the free version. > I have not used any other distro as yet coz I am still a newbie. I don't trust LFY CD/DVDs. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | Eng: kartikmistry.org/blog 0xD1028C8D | Guj: kartikm.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------

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Re:A meet next week
by Easwar Hariharan 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

> > Well, if he's here on the 3rd, why not make the meet happen on the 3rd > itself. > since they're all weekdays, any of them should do... but in the late > evenings only. Can't we make it to the 10th,a weekend?Even 9th would do......And please no location confusion this time around....... btw, is it gonna be a proper lug meet? if so, are there any talks lined up? > I'd like to give a talk on the just-released Fedora 7, and the changes it > brings > with it, and the new features it has. I would like to know more about it too....... Regards, Easwar

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Microkernel
by Rony 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hello All, Those who find words like 'microkernel' Greek and Latin can look up this link. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microkernel -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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Re: Multimedia Packages CD
by Vickram Crishna 03 Jun '07

03 Jun '07

--- Roshan wrote: > Please note, the reason this initiative has come > into > picture is that the usage of the Internet is > critically limited, in terms of downloads. > One of the reasons the Mowgli initiative has been taken is to try and address this problem in a meaningful fashion, at least for now, for Mumbaikars. Nagarjuna has already announced that the HBCSE server is available for us all to store critical data like this. I am sure that as the idea builds up steam, more space like this will become locally available, in more parts of the city. The cost aspect that Roshan refers to 1. applies only to priced ISP services, which are currently designed to be as usurious and unfriendly as possible, and 2. will be free for local public data networks. Aside from the possibility of downloading it free, it will also be possible to easily go and physically get a copy from HBCSE, or any of the servers we think will become a key part of this mesh. Vickram ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

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[ARTICLE]: "How hard is it to run Windows app on Linux?"
by Roshan 03 Jun '07

03 Jun '07

This article, short and sweet, is about the question raised (subject) by a 10 year old. :) http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2007-06-01-023-26-OP-SW-PB -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC- http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc ubunturos @ freenode Download prohibited? No problem! To chat from any browser without download, Click Here: http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php

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A Full Aubuntu.
by Rony 03 Jun '07

03 Jun '07

Hello All, The recent war of distros on our list made me wonder if the Ubuntu OS available with all desktops, like a complete selective installation just like Mandriva or Fedora? I must say Mandriva's installer is very good as it allows fine tuning devices before the installation begins. U, Ku, Edu and X makers could come together to make this complete distro. An All-Ubuntu can be called Aubuntu. -- Regards, Rony. Knock Knock Who's There? Linux Who Linux? GNU/Linux

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