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anti-piracy tool in Vista offers Window of opportunity for Linux
by BombayNews 07 Oct '06

07 Oct '06

Dear all, I think the anti-piracy tool in Vista offers a Window of opportunity for supporters of Linux. Rather than bung in a long post here, I have detailed post on my blogs: www.bombaywatcher.sulekha.com www.bombaywatcher.blogspot.com Shiv Kumar

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Re:pppoe inconsistency problem.
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

> hello, > I had configured roring penguine yesterday with the help of rony. > it worked yesterday. > I had configured it with ./go and it asked me the eth interface I gave > it the right one. > then it asked me the username and password. after that it asked me if > I want it it to come up on demand and also the time for which I want > it to stay up. > I said yes I want it on demand. > but I did not specify the amount of time I want it to be up. > yesterday it was working fine but today it is not working. > it is starting properly with pppoe-start but it is not connecting to > the internet. > Krishnakant. When you connect like this, all logs are saved to /var/log/messages post these messages here ,so we can debug it -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: A Desktop Concept
by Vivek Rai 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

> True but this graphical no-window animated desktop ( From now on, lets > term this desktop as Animated Desktop ) will fill the gap between users > and non-users. I totally agree with you. I remember seeing something similar in an 1996 compaq PC (with win 95).. basically, on top of the OS, compac had some layer which provided that kind of an easy interface.. i dont know the full details... but my cousin's computer illiterate family realy used to prefer that over navigating complex menus... A primary Fitts' law on UI design is about making targets easy to acquire .. all menu based navigations violate that .. and can be surprisingly complex for newbies. > India still has a lot of scope for adding new users who > otherwise keep away from PCs. This is also aimed at helping senior > citizens. It is not meant to be used in a professional environment. In > linux we have the facility of switching desktops so by default the new > animated desktop automatically starts and when an advanced user from the > same family wants to sit on the pc, he/she will switch to the normal > desktop till the machine reboots again. In windows we can't do that so > we got an edge over them. I agree, FLOSS can gain significant market share and penetration in the currently untapped markets like India where many middle class or elderly people are still not using computers because of accessiblity/localization issues. What you are asking for is a really nice idea, but I think we can create some easy solutions within existing and popular linux desktop environments.. hence maintaining compatiblity.. for example, Is this close to what you are talking about? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29692 or maybe you can use this as a starting point, and amend it suitably in any way you deem fit. maybe there are simlar ideas on having some kisk mode "animated desktop" on gnome/xfce too.. ? otherwise, multiple desktops also give us an ability to configure the UI in any way.. for example we can rename desktop 1,2,3,4 to somethng like multimedia, internet, Office, games.. etc.. and then have very large and visible, easily identifiable, relevant icons on each of them.. (just an idea)

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NFS mount problem between 2.6.17-3 and 2.4.24
by jtd 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

sarge with linux-2.6.17-3 as an nfs server. Another machine with woody and linux-24.4.24 fails to mount the exports from the sarge machine. mount simply hangs without errors. syslog on sarge says "rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from xxx.yyy.zz.aa:868 for /xxyyzz (/xxyyzz)" tried rpc.mountd with --no-nfs-version 3. any ideas? -- Rgds JTD

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Fwd: [Announce] Suse Users Group
by Nosferatu!!! 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: XXXXXX XXXXXX <xxxxxxx(a)novell.com> Date: Oct 5, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Suse Users Group To: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx <XXxxxxx.PRV1-2.PROVO1(a)novell.com> Hi All , This is a mail I have received from Prakash Advani , I would encourage every one to Join and share with others >>>Prakash Advani 10/05/06 4:13 PM >>> I have setup a SUSE Users group, please signup for this.. this is an external list for users. http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/slug-general ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. He of all men should behave as though the law compelled him. But it is the universal weakness of mankind that what we are given to administer we presently imagine we own. -- H. G. Wells Visit http://www.userfriendly.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Livecd distro or alternative required
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

>Can I use qemu and run a minimum linux distro only command line will do >Dual booting is out of question as it is a company laptop. >I have good time during the weekend It all depends on what you want to do: Have you looked at Cygwin? Both Qemu and VMware will work and if required will give you complete linux environment but remember these are heavy on resources. HTH -Krishna

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Re: A Desktop Concept
by Vivek Rai 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

> email program too was difficult to navigate as it had a lot of options > and buttons. Thats definitely a problem with MANY user interfaces .. too much functionality is exposed at the top level itself.. also sometimes, the symbols (e.g. a US style mailbox in some email apps) are not universal. Which is why, people should not view localization of software as purely an excercise in translation, but also think of "tran slating" other visual elements, icons etc. > This kept me thinking about a desktop thats totally different from the > current windows clones and is totally a reflection of real life. > So how about a totally different desktop that actually looks like a real > life situation. For example, it will have simple but large and realistic > looking icons for letters/envelopes = email, documents = office suite, > music system = music player, television = movie player etc. Yes, that would be the easiest to use UI. While concepts like http://www.symphonyos.com/ are much closer to the Fitts's laws of UI design.. we also have to accept the fact that the current UI concepts derived from XWindows, MacOS and MS Windows in past 15-20 years... good or bad... have already become popular, have gained acceptance. I once read a comparision of user friendliness of all major OS's (in case of linux, the DE's). To my surprise, BeOS actually came at the top in many categories! but then, maybe if you are too revolutionary, you face resistance in acceptance as well. Ultimately, any voluntary effort to push linux desktop to villages in India would involve effort from PC assemblers, local hardware service guys, (ie the "Desktop Support").. and these guys need to be confortable supporting it, need to know about it.. If we try to push a very revolutionary idea... we would need large funding and participation.. > into home desktops. Since linux is secure, once a firewall is running, > linux will not even need an anti-virus to constantly update. This system > in other Indian languages should become very popular with the rural > population who has no knowledge of computers or even those who are semi > literate. Yes, localization is ONE area where Linux CAN easily beat MS in India, IF it makes early inroads.. MS windows and its set of commercial softwares can not be translated 100% to desi languages easily, as it would involve an effort from a lot of different companies... on the other hand, a small team of dedicated volunteers can translate a set of common apps to Indian langauges much more easily and quickly... (in fact most of hindi kde translations have been done by a single guy!) sadly, the status of translations of most indian languages is not that great :(...

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TATA Indicom Data Card (Huawei EC321)
by Vivek J. Patankar 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

Hi, Has anyone on the list managed to get the TATA Indicom CDMA data card working on Linux? As of now, the card is detected and configured as /dev/ttyUSB0. I guess I am missing the modem AT commands that I would require while configuring KPPP. -- Regards Vivek J. Patankar

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WAP enabled website design
by vatsal desai 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

Hello, I am interested in getting a simple text only 10 page WAP enabled website designed. The website is meant specifically for mobile devices. The website will also consist of one MySql database. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Thanks, Vatsal --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

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[COMMERCIAL] [Fwd: ZEOMEGA CAMPUS INTERVIEW]
by Anurag 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

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pppoe inconsistency problem.
by krishnakant Mane 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

hello, I had configured roring penguine yesterday with the help of rony. it worked yesterday. I had configured it with ./go and it asked me the eth interface I gave it the right one. then it asked me the username and password. after that it asked me if I want it it to come up on demand and also the time for which I want it to stay up. I said yes I want it on demand. but I did not specify the amount of time I want it to be up. yesterday it was working fine but today it is not working. it is starting properly with pppoe-start but it is not connecting to the internet. Krishnakant.

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Re: A Desktop Concept. (Rony)
by Vihan Pandey 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi Rony, Later when I met Krish, he told me about gnowsis > http://www.gnowsis.org/ Are you sure it was GNOWSIS and not GNOWSYS ? Gnowsis is simply a semantic desktop, GNOWSYS is/aims to be a complete semantic computing environment and knowledge management system. It's Desktop is called the Gnowser and is currently under development. GNOWSYS is being developed at HBCSE, TIFR and the master mind behind it is Nagarjun G. You can find out more on : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnowsys/ You can read the concept paper here : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnowsys/GNOWSYS_files/cpv2/index.html Regards, - vihan

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[commercial][ot]: Need back office support staff
by Abhishek Daga 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

We have a requirement for Back Office Support staff. The web based tools are developed on open source the OS is ubuntu. Prior knowledge of linux OS not essential but a plus. The job entails: a) Accessing data online and gathering relevant information. b) Making calls when necessary and gathering information. Most of the time you will be accessing IVR base systems and jotting down information and once in a while actually have to speak to someone. c) Prior knowledge of spreadsheets is a big plus. d) Excellent Communication skills, with an emphasis on spoken english. e) Willingness to work 5 PM to 11 PM initially for 2 months and then regular shift or evening shift. Contact me offline if you or anyone you know is interested in this opportunity. Thank you, Abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Livecd distro or alternative required
by िऩऩाद 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi I am working from a hotel room and have good amount of spare time on weekends. Can anyone suggest a suitable linux live cd whereby i can work on linux and save documents on to my laptop and most important learn programming. I am on a ibm t41 laptop. I have some books from where I can learn programming any other alternative similar to livecd also will be useful Ninad

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A Desktop Concept.
by Rony 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hello All, Yesterday I visited an old couple who had problems with their pc. While the problem was minor, I noticed that they were very unfamiliar to computers and were using it only to send and receive mail from their children abroad. They had noted everything down in a letter pad and would refer to it and try to figure out their way on the screen. The email program too was difficult to navigate as it had a lot of options and buttons. This kept me thinking about a desktop thats totally different from the current windows clones and is totally a reflection of real life. I recollect Rajeev demonstrating a file browser like that in the wireless LUG meet. Later when I met Krish, he told me about gnowsis http://www.gnowsis.org/ but I just visited their site today and find that it still has standard interfaces and is more dedicated to relating data rather than an innovative interface to access data. So how about a totally different desktop that actually looks like a real life situation. For example, it will have simple but large and realistic looking icons for letters/envelopes = email, documents = office suite, music system = music player, television = movie player etc. Now come the main part. There should be no windows as we use today. An email program should open up graphics of a full size page with a pen on it. The user only types on that page and then presses an adjacent big button that reads 'Put letter in envelope'. Then the letter folds itself and puts itself inside a big envelope. The envelope then faces the user waiting for an email address. The email address appears as its typed and in bold letters across the envelope. Then the user chooses from 2 big buttons that read 'Post this letter' or 'Post it later'. If 'Post this letter' is selected, the envelope will drop itself inside a big red post box. Similarly, a real life photo graphics environment can be used in place of windows for office, music, video and other applications. While all this may look very silly for us, it will be a big boon for those users who feel intimidated by computers and dislike the window environment. I am sure there are projects going on in this direction but if we can be first in linux to do it, it will give linux a quantum leap into home desktops. Since linux is secure, once a firewall is running, linux will not even need an anti-virus to constantly update. This system in other Indian languages should become very popular with the rural population who has no knowledge of computers or even those who are semi literate. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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problem with ubuntu
by bombay news 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Dear all, I wonder if this problem was caused by tinkering with Firefox's settings to enable quicker browsing. Now the entire Ubuntu OS has become unstable. I get the following error message during booting: /dev/hda7: unexpected inconsistency; Run fsck manually... An automatic file system check of the root file system failed..... A manual fsck must be performed, then file system rebooted.... so how to perform manual fsck? also there is something about badblocks on the Internet. How to turn these into good blocks? help would be appreciated. Shiv Kumar _________________________________________________________________ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

--Philip Tellis wrote: > There is no glug meet. There's a BoF. Sorry, mixed it up. So is the GLUG BoF confirmed? > What is a BoF? > birds of feather flock together And to add a little more follow the URL below http://foss.in/2006/info/BoF __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

> Philip Tellis wrote: > > > > > > Why don't you meet up at Shah Tea stall at Wadala > (halfway between > > Wadala Station and 5 Gardens). Have Badshah > special chai and then go > > down to 5G for Chaat. Whatever you do, do not > meet in a classroom. This > > is a BoF meet, not a LUG lecture. > > > > Thats fine. I hope the stall is easily visible. > Wadala, five gardens > would be very nice. But lets meet at one place so > that late comers don't > have to search the five gardens for the birds. And > what time? So where's the GLUG meet final location? I think the RSVP idea is good. In french, it stands for Répondez S'il Vous Plaît (meaning reply please ..no..I don't know french, but found this in the Oxford Dictionary) though I initially thought it stood for Resource Reservation Protocol [in a way true...] __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: RHCE certification
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

> Hi AA. > > Don't worry too much about certifications. You > should be looking to > gain knowledge and expertise. Look for an expert who > can teach you > linux in a very lucid way. Install linux at home an > experiment on it. > That IMHO is the best way. I do agree with this. However, there is one thing I would like to ask. Do these certifications have content that build up a strong foundation for the candidate who opts for a such a ceritification? For example, if Mr. X knows addition of two numbers then a. He can add five numbers by adding two at a time (i.e. 1+2+3+4+5 will be added as (1+2)-> (3+3) -> (6+4)... b. He can subtract numbers i.e. (add a postive and a negative number 3 + (-8) ) etc. etc. If they do, then won't they be more valuable? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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RHCE certification
by A A 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Hello all, I wonder if this is the appropriate forum to post my query. I'm Linux newbie, very much interested to learn and share about Linux. I have heard about RHCE certification being one of the hottest in 2006. Seeking advice if joining a coaching class at RH authorised centre is MANDATORY which I think charges quite a bit. I wish to know if any of you is RHCE certified but gained the training elsewhere thru a friend/ Linux expert in Mumbai at comparatively lower cost. If so, please let me know the contact person. Thanks in advance AA --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

--Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote: > Five Gardens sounds fine. Time around 7PM. Is that > fine with everyone? Its fine with me too. > Those who were there for Jan 2006 meet might already > know this place. I wasn't there. But if it closer and can be located from Ruia College, I think I should reach Five Gardens. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: GLUG BoF meet (Anurag)
by Vihan Pandey 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

> From: Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG BoF meet > > Kenneth Gonsalves will be in city this week. We are planning to have a BoF > meet on 5th Oct evening at some place. Can list members suggest some good > place where all of us can meet? > > Hi Anurag, i guess we also ought to consider how many people are coming on the 5th. It would be great if you could allow people to RSVP you, that way we can get an estimate of the actual number attending and accordingly select a place. Thanks for the info, Regards, - vihan

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Re: [Fwd: LinuxThane 2006] (Mrugesh Karnik)
by Vihan Pandey 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Hi Mrugesh, I have a suggestion. FSF should stop being so hypocritic and start using > a term like FOSS/Linux that signifies Freedom. By using GNU/Linux, > you're stealing the credit from the likes of Xorg and KDE. If you're > really concerned about freedom, start highlighting freedom, not your > own name. The issue is that ``certain organisations/people" don't care and don't want to care about how and why the Free Software movement started, but use software nevertheless. In the process, that concept and ideology for which everything that was initiated is lost. A good example is khadi. Any/Every one who wears khadi garments mainly do it out of a fashion statement or its ``technical/material benefits" in any weather. Nobody(or may be one in lakh) would really say talk about how khadi came into being or what it stands for. Thus it becomes necessary to continue the activism to keep people aware of the cause. Lest it be forgotten. Oh and before anyone starts a flame war, I am a fan of the GNU > philosophy. But that doesn't mean that I have to like or agree with > everything that FSF or RMS say or do. i agree with you completely on the flame war bit AND that you have very much a right to your opinion. But remember IF tomorrow that `right' is taken away from you too will HAVE to take steps to get it back and make sure it is NEVER revoked for you or anyone else. Regards, - vihan

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how to enable root user with password prompting in knoppix.
by krishnakant Mane 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

hello, I got my knoppix cd install on the hard disk. so now knoppix runs almost like ubuntu does as in works without any super user parssword from my hard disk. but now I want the system to ask me for a password when I log in and for root as well when I try to su in the bash prompt. how can I enable both this things? Krishnakant.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] RHCE certification
by ryan coelho 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 Mrugesh Karnik wrote : >On Saturday 30 September 2006 18:19, A A wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I wonder if this is the appropriate forum to post my query. I'm Linux > > newbie, very much interested to learn and share about Linux. I have > > heard about RHCE certification being one of the hottest in 2006. > > Seeking advice if joining a coaching class at RH authorised centre is > > MANDATORY which I think charges quite a bit. I wish to know if any of > > you is RHCE certified but gained the training elsewhere thru a > > friend/ Linux expert in Mumbai at comparatively lower cost. If so, > > please let me know the contact person. > > > > Thanks in advance > > AA > > ><sarcasm> >Forget all that. The best way to pass RHCE is to find an institute where >they'll sell you all the problems that'll appear in the exam you appear >for and pass with 100% marks. It isn't difficult to find such an >institute either. ></sarcasm> > > >-- >---------------------------------------- >Mrugesh Karnik >GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 >Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net >---------------------------------------- >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers I am a Red Hat Certified and not in favour of such advise one of the policies of Red Hat is the secrecy document, signed before the exam What it does is keep the value of Red Hat Certification High. Besides guys like me have struggle to get hard core in UNix to pass such an exam. Cheers Ryan Coelho.

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