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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. > then why have they rejected the GPL - must be something wrong with them > (according to your theory) I am neither proposing nor propagating any theory. All that I am saying is no matter how much one loves the ideals of the BSD and the Open Source Definition, one has to have read the GPL or the Free Software Definition. Not only because the FSD predates the BSD, but also because you need to know about something in order to criticise it. If someone is fond of ESR, BSD, OSD, Bruce Perens, etc. I have no issues as long as they do not indulge in berating 'others', where 'others' are people from whom ESR and Bruce Perens have derived their ideas. (Ref: Revolution OS) Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

> If you are even remotely > interested in GNU/Linux, you _should_ know about GNU, the GNU Project > and rms! I don't say that you need to know that the `m' in `rms' is > Matthew, but you should at least have heard about Richard Stallman. True. But it is not so easy. Everyday I come across people who know about Linux, but not about GNU; people who know about Open Source but not about Free Software; people who know about Linus Torvalds and not about RMS. It is a very sorry state of affairs, but thats a reality. This is in no way helped by the constant debates on why one should call it GNU/Linux instead of Linux or the other way around. My observation is that most of these people are simple-minded ignorant characters who need someone to 'drill' the facts into their head. This very person who does not know who RMS is or what GNU is might already know Linus Torvalds. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

>> > no, i havent read the GPL. The first software i released was on CPAN >> > - for license i just put 'same as perl'. Later, for my sf projects i >> > chose GPL because it was the first choice on the sf list. >> So is not 'F' the first character of FOSS? And dont you use NRC-FOSS >> as your signature? If you have not read/understood the GPL then that >> 'F' does not make any sense to you. Before going any further, let me >> tell you such behaviour will severely reduce your credibility. > you mean postgresql, apache, subversion, zope, python are all not FOSS? You got me totally wrong. PostgresSQL, Apache, Subversion, ZOPE, Python are definitely FOSS. All that I meant was, someone who uses the word FOSS, meaning Free & Open Source Software, in his signature must have read the GNU GPL. One paragraph at least. If you have not and think RMS has lost his relevance then kindly use OSS instead of FOSS. You are gravely misleading people. Why so? I think so, because as Devdas corectly pointed out, the concept of Free Software predates the concepts of Open Source Software, and all major proponents of Open Source like Bruce Perens, Eric S. Raymond (ESR) have a high regard for Free Software ideals, the GNU GPL, and RMS. (Ref: Revolution OS). > So what > happens to your credibility - you work on python/zope/subversion. I do not know. But then I am not worried since I do not indulge in RMS bashing, although I tend to use his initials at times in contexts which some people do not approve of. :D (BG?) But then they are free to state their opinion. Moreover neither am I claiming to something absurd as not having read anything written by RMS and everything from ESR. I am a GNU developer and I have read the GPL, although I might admit that I do not clearly understand the GFDL. I do not I am making any false claims anywhere. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] An appeal
by Nagarjuna G. 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

(If you are a commmon member of the lists to which this email is sent, you get more than one copy of this mail, sorry.) As many of you know FSF India is organizing GPL V3 Conference at Bangalore, (http://gplv3.gnu.org.in). The response to the conference was overwhelming, and we already recieved registrations beyond the capacity. We thank you all for the enthusiastic response. Due to recent increased security restrictions on both International and national airlines, some of our guests were diverted to other less restrictive airlines which allowed laptops and books. Making these alternative arragements to our guests caused doubling of the expenses, and cancellation expenses. In some cases refunds were also not possible. As a result FSF India does not have these extra funds at this moment. We thought of bringing this to the notice of free software community, and explore the possibility of support. This is an appeal to contribute to FSF India. Since we do not have enough time to make alternative arrangements we seek your active support at this needy hour. Even if the support is small from each of you, if more people give a small sum, we will be able to make sure this will happen. The additional required budget is around Rs. 150,000/- (or around $3000/-). If you also know any one who could sponsor a ticket or part of the ticket do let us know. The conference registration was kept free and we thought we could manage well with our earlier budgets. Conference registration continues to be free, but do consider sending donations. You may also consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). http://www.gnu.org.in/donate#account FSF Account information: Free Software Foundation of India. Acc No : 632000002698 Bank : HDFC Bank LTD. Branch : Trivandrum. FSF India have 80G status under Income Tax Act. All donations to FSF India are tax-deductible (by order number: C. No 302/ADIT(E)/24/2005-05 Dated: 25/01/06 ). Please note that, for the time being, we are unable to accept donations from outside India. Thanks Nagarjuna

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Debian
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Yesterday, ie. 16th of August was the 13th birthday of the Debian Project. Here is wishing it a belated Happy Birthday! Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] An appeal
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

> > Apart from that, if every member of this list donates Rs. 50 each, the > > problem will be suitably resolved. After all what is Rs. 50 for the > > future of the license which has been the cornerstone of FOSS for so > > many years. > Ok, How to do it? > Have you opened any account (ICICI/HDFC) where money can be deposited > locally. The following excerpt from the original mail might help you. > consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). > > http://www.gnu.org.in/donate#account > > FSF Account information: > > Free Software Foundation of India. > Acc No : 632000002698 > Bank : HDFC Bank LTD. > Branch : Trivandrum. > > FSF India have 80G status under Income Tax Act. All donations to FSF > India are tax-deductible (by order number: C. No > 302/ADIT(E)/24/2005-05 Dated: 25/01/06 ). > > Please note that, for the time being, we are unable to accept > donations from outside India. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: RMS in Mumbai
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Quoting Nagarjuna : > From: "G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > On 8/16/06, jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> wrote: > > > > - The word 'free' in Free software was about freedom and not > > > > price > > > > > > > > So in my case the ideology happened after 5 years of using the > > > > software. :-) > > > > > > In essence, Free software and Open Source software mean the same > > > thing. > > > > They dont mean the same thing all though they refer to the same body > > of software. > > > > I wish to add something here, something I learned in my graduate > courses in Philosophy some 12 years ago. There is an expression > called 'evening star', and another called 'morning star'. They both > refer to the same thing, namely the planet, venus. Since this object > appears first to the naked eye, and is very bright that can be seen > even before dark, it is called by this name. The expressions have > different meanings, but the same reference. But the name 'Planet > Venus' clarifies that it is not a star, but planet, and the notiion of > what astronomical objects are planet are well defined. Actually, the concept of planet was not at all well defined, it wasn't defined at all reasonably until today, when a meeting of astronomers decided to include Xena, Charon and Ceres as planets, pushing the known planets total to 12. Maybe the astrological significance of Free Software is aligned to this, which is why there is such argument and confusion about GNU and Linux. --- Vickram

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Fwd: Freedel 2006: Call for Papers
by Gaurav Mishra 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> Date: Aug 14, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: Freedel 2006: Call for Papers To: ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org, linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net, mancom(a)linux-delhi.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The annual ILUG-Delhi event, Freedel, is back in it's 2006 avatar. Partnering with Jawaharlal Nehru University, this year we have the following streams: - - Servers and Administration - - Desktop Applications - - Education - - Multi-lingual and Localisation - - Applications (from web to desktop to server) - - Multi-media and graphics The event will be held on September 16 and 17, 2006 at the Bio-Informatics Centre and Auditorium, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. The talk formats will be: - - 40-minute seminar-style presentations with 10 minutes for Q&A - - 1/2-day in-depth tutorials on basic FOSS topics - - Informal talks in the lawns (or the lab if infrastructure is needed) - - BoF sessions You are invited to present a paper in any of the streams that interests you. The process for paper submission and acceptance is: 1. Submit an one-page abstract of your talk. Mention special infrastructure that you will require for your talk. 2. A ``select group'' (i.e. the usual gang of suspects) reviews your abstract and shortlists it. 3. You are notified that your paper has been selected. 4. Submit the presentation material for the paper (in OOo Impress or PDF format). 5. Make the presentation at the event. If you are interested, please make a one-page abstract of your talk and mail it to: talks(a)linux-delhi.org The last date for submission of abstracts is August 28, 2006 The short list will be announced on September 4, 2006 The last date for acceptance of the presentation material is September 11, 2006 Please note that abstracts received after August 28 will not be considered for talks. Similarly, talks for which presentation material has not reached by September 11 will be knocked off the schedule. All presentation material must be available for redistribution under a FLOSS-type license. Members of LUGs across the country are invited to participate and present at the event. If you act soon, we would be glad to share the cost of your travel to/from Delhi, finances permitting. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQFE4LvTyWjQ78xo0X8RAvJFAJ4ohvMm/2dao+ojf3+DHxhL5ggyEgCeMVkR 916NYXRn5XFPJE02nlLUk5o= =SBCz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator Software Trainee @ Xavient B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com "When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward"

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Burning CDs on GNU/Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Found this nice link regarding usage of cdrecord to write CDs in GNU/Linux through the command line. Thought someone might find it useful. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cdburn.html#heading_e Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] An appeal
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

> As a result FSF India does not have these extra funds at > this moment. We thought of bringing this to the notice of free > software community, and explore the possibility of support. This is an > appeal to contribute to FSF India. Since we do not have enough time > to make alternative arrangements we seek your active support at this > needy hour. Even if the support is small from each of you, if more > people give a small sum, we will be able to make sure this will > happen. The additional required budget is around Rs. 150,000/- (or > around $3000/-). If you also know any one who could sponsor a ticket > or part of the ticket do let us know. > > The conference registration was kept free and we thought we could > manage well with our earlier budgets. Conference registration > continues to be free, but do consider sending donations. You may also > consider becoming taking fellowship (http://www.gnu.org.in/fellowship). Apart from that, if every member of this list donates Rs. 50 each, the problem will be suitably resolved. After all what is Rs. 50 for the future of the license which has been the cornerstone of FOSS for so many years. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Commercial: NGO is looking for Open Software solution
by Mika Jokivuori 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Hi all, I am representative of NGO and we are looking for open software (LAMP) solution for our needs. 1) First we are creating web base solution to manage our child sponsorship system. More info about child sponsorship, please visit Plan International (http://www.plan-international.org/) or World Vision (http://www.wvi.org/). 2) Secondly we are looking for web base solution to manage our bulleting board, document archives and calendar. If your organisation is ready to help us to get our "dreams" to reality, please send an email to me. We are not a commercial company, but grass-root level organisation that is working for uplifting underprivileged people so we may not be able to pay great amount. Yours, Mr. Mika Jokivuori, Regional Co-ordinator, Fida International Email: mika.jokivuori(a)fida.in

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Coreutils version 6.0 has been released.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Following is a mail announcing the release of GNU Coreutils 6.00 from the info-gnu list (http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnu). It seems that this version has fixed a segmentation fault related problem while using 'shred' on Gentoo systems. I though some Gentoo lover would find this useful. Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:27:40 +0200 From: Jim Meyering <jim(a)meyering.net> Subject: coreutils-6.0 released To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org, coreutils-announce(a)gnu.org Cc: translation(a)iro.umontreal.ca, bug-coreutils(a)gnu.org Message-ID: <873bbyggsz.fsf(a)rho.meyering.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Coreutils version 6.0 has been released. If you haven't heard about the GNU coreutils, the FAQ is a good place to start: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/ Coreutils development branched after the stable 5.92 release. Since then, there have been five releases from the stable branch: 5.93 through 5.97. I hope to make no more releases from that branch. Coreutils 6.0 is the first release off the trunk since 5.92, and considering the number and scope of the changes, I've labeled it "unstable". However, many of the changes have been for improved robustness and portability, and even the bug fixes usually address unlikely failure scenarios. That said, the changes are numerous enough and invasive enough that there are probably a few new bugs. There is a new, implicit build requirement: To build the coreutils from source, you should have a C99-conforming compiler, due to the use of declarations after non-declaration statements in remove.c. There is code in configure to find and, if possible, enable an appropriate compiler. However, if configure doesn't find a C99 compiler, it continues nonetheless, and your build will fail. If that happens, simply patch remove.c with the following command, and run make again: cd src && patch remove.c c99-to-c89.diff Here are some highlights from the NEWS below: There are six new programs: base64: base64 encoding and decoding (RFC 3548) functionality by Simon Josefsson sha224sum: print or check a SHA224 (224-bit) checksum sha256sum: print or check a SHA256 (256-bit) checksum sha384sum: print or check a SHA384 (384-bit) checksum sha512sum: print or check a SHA512 (512-bit) checksum by David Madore (based on work by Ulrich Drepper and Scott Miller) shuf: shuffle lines of text by Paul Eggert We've finally added some often-requested functionality for ls, with its new option: --group-directories-first, by Francesco Montorsi. rm has a new -I option, added by Eric Blake: rm now accepts the -I (--interactive=once) option. This new option prompts once if rm is invoked recursively or if more than three files are being deleted, which is less intrusive than -i prompting for every file, but provides almost the same level of protection against mistakes. For the complete summary of changes, see the NEWS section below. Special thanks to Paul Eggert for his many contributions. Thanks to everyone else who contributed changes (attributions are in the ChangeLog files), reported problems, and helped by fielding questions on the mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The GNU coreutils package contains the following programs: [ base64 basename cat chgrp chmod chown chroot cksum comm cp csplit cut date dd df dir dircolors dirname du echo env expand expr factor false fmt fold ginstall groups head hostid hostname id join kill link ln logname ls md5sum mkdir mkfifo mknod mv nice nl nohup od paste pathchk pinky pr printenv printf ptx pwd readlink rm rmdir seq sha1sum sha224sum sha256sum sha384sum sha512sum shred shuf sleep sort split stat stty su sum sync tac tail tee test touch tr true tsort tty uname unexpand uniq unlink uptime users vdir wc who whoami yes Here are the compressed sources: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-6.0.tar.gz (7.9MB) ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-6.0.tar.bz2 (5.1MB) Here are the xdelta-style diffs: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/coreutils-5.92-6.0.xdelta (1.9MB) <snip> shred --remove FILE no longer segfaults on Gentoo systems sort would fail for large inputs (~50MB) on systems with a buggy mkstemp function. sort and tac now use the replacement mkstemp function, and hence are no longer subject to limitations (of 26 or 32, on the maximum number of files from a given template) on HP-UX 10.20, SunOS 4.1.4, Solaris 2.5.1 and OSF1/Tru64 V4.0F&V5.1. tail -f once again works on a file with the append-only attribute (affects at least Linux ext2, ext3, xfs file systems) NB: I removed part of the original post since I was afraid that it was too long to be blocked by the lists. Neither could I give a link since the post has not yet been archived. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

> true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard > about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he > has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written. Not even the GNU GPL? So you know about 'The Cathedral and The Bazaar', while not having read the GNU GPL? I do not have words to describe this. >> it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are >> there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the >> whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we >> don't understand what Freedom is. > i beg to differ - it will remain a failure in India at least until > people stopped sounding off and started writing code Write code for Microsoft or Apple? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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When and Where is RMS coming
by PenguinPuPPy 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Hello LUG. Well i was just scanning by and learnt that RMS is coming to Mumbai could anybody please let me know when and where is he coming ? secondly when is the next meet scheduled anybody who can help. Thanks -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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Re: RMS in Mumbai
by Roshan 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> RMS (Richard M. Stallman) will be in Mumbai on 27th. > The purpose of > this email is to know if we could organize a public > lecture on 27th. > Please let me know your ideas: like your > organization or college would > like to host him and the lecture etc. Isn't the GLUG-August meet likely to be scheduled for the 27th of this month too? Perhaps, could the public lecture be merged with the meet? > Can we have a talk in some place like IIT? We can > then publicise the event > in colleges and organizations. HBCSE was _likely_ to be the location for the meet. So could be for the lecture? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [Commercial] Jobs
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> Forwarded without prejudice. Please contact Ajay directly. > > ----- Forwarded message from Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> ----- > > From: Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:11:50 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org > Subject: [Commercial] > X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 > > We are a software product company (www.stpdomain.com) looking for > specialized skill-sets in Linux / Java / J2EE / Web Services... Do they want people specialized in Linux to work on Winblows? :P Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

>> actually it is a good, relevant question. Who is RMS? A person well >> known in the 20th century who has outlived his time Enough is enough. Few days back you were bashing up Gaurav P. Chaturvedi, and now it is RMS. Is something wrong with you? > hmm, sounds like great idea. We should also dismiss all the efforts > put in by Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and others for freedom of India in > 20th century. > If we as human beings don't know where we came from, > what is the difference between us and mindless zombies then? Hehehe... Kenneth a mindless zombie.... ROTFLMAO You know if we follow the principle of 'do unto others as you would do unto you' then Kenneth Gonsalves would have been kicked/banned from this list. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Configuring mtnl broadband ...
by Navin Daund 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Hi, I am new to Linux and MM-LIUG. I have installed Red Hat 9.0 and have mtnl broadband on UTSTAR UT300R2U Modem. It is connected with Ethernet connectivity and nic card is automatically detected by Linux. Please lemme know the step-by-step procedure to configure internet and email on my system. Thanks and regards, Navin.

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FW: [Commercial] Jobs
by Devdas Bhagat 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Forwarded without prejudice. Please contact Ajay directly. Regards Devdas Bhagat ----- Forwarded message from Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> ----- From: Ajay Narasimhan <ajay.narasimhan(a)stpdomain.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:11:50 +0530 To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org Subject: [Commercial] X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 We are a software product company (www.stpdomain.com) looking for specialized skill-sets in Linux / Java / J2EE / Web Services... Interested candidates based out of *Mumbai* may please respond with their detailed CV at jobs(a)stpdomain.com Thanks. Ajay Narasimhan Mobile: + 91 - 98198 22830 ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

> ok...I understood tidbits... Thats a lot, you know, since I would not have understood a bit of what I myself wrote. :p > but now my question is, what exactly is > yahoo's official client doing that gaim cannot, yet? ( if you have > explained this earlier please point me to the post ). Yahoo!'s official is doing black magic one can say. (Just joking.) One just needs to key in the proxy IP and port and it simply works. Works, you know! No tweaking nothing. > Can we reproduce what yahoo's doing by using free tools? I do not know any such free tool. At this point you might like to read http://mm.glug-bom.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20060807/053186.html Just the 3rd, 4th and 5th paragraphs would be enough. > Generally, firewalls dont block ssl connections Is it so? I have limited knowledge, but I remember seeing the Webmin interface, where the admin just clicked and opened all 'SSL_Ports' and 'Safe_Ports'. I asked him to give me the configuration file, but he somehow managed to give me the wrong one. Should I get it again ? > so i think u can setup an SSL tunnel into an outside > ( unfirewalled proxy ) PC and then connect to the yahoo service. Yes I think thats a possible solution. Thanks, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] What is a flame?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

> He was then flamed to death and... Well does anybody know the origin of the word 'flame war'? I found the following in my /usr/share/games/fortune/humorix-stories: Brief History Of Linux (#5) English Flame War The idea behind Slashdot-style discussions is not new; it dates back to London in 1699. A newspaper that regularly printed Letters To The Editor sparked a heated debate over the question, "When would the 18th Century actually begin, 1700 or 1701?" The controversy quickly became a matter of pride; learned aristocrats argued for the correct date, 1701, while others maintained that it was really 1700. Another sizable third of participants asked, "Who cares?" Ordinarily such a trivial matter would have died down, except that one 1700er, fed up with the snobbest 1701 rhetoric of the educated class, tracked down one letter-writer and hurled a flaming log into his manor house in spite. The resulting fire was quickly doused, but the practice known as the "flame war" had been born. More flames were exchanged between other 1700ers and 1701ers for several days, until the Monarch sent out royal troops to end the flamage. Happy flaming, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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The dangers of patents in standards
by jtd 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2006081312303… Nokia files a suit against qualcomm, since Qualcom's FRAND terms are allegedly unreasonable and discriminatory. This is about implementing standards approved by ISO / ETSI not about purchasing tech. If Nokia finds it so difficult wonder how libre software developers will implement patent encumbered standards. -- Rgds JTD

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

>> What do you mean? See it is very easy to sit there and pass comments. >> I just fervently pray that you do not get trapped behind such a >> draconian firewall. > umm...dumb question but did you try an http tunnel? Not so dumb as you think. The situation is like this... Even after allowing all SSL_ports and Safe_ports (this was done using Webmin, so I did not see the /etc/squid.conf, we are unable to use IRC on ports 6667, 8000. Irssi says "temporary failure in name resolution", while GAIM says "proxy connection error 503". However Yahoo! and Jabber are working using GAIM AFTER opening the ports in Squid. Jabber on the usual 5222, while Yahoo! on 8001. At this point I have a feeling that the IRC ports are blocked in the firewall too, because I had heard our sysadmin (when the network was set-up) remark that all IRC activity will be blocked. He made no remark about Jabber or Yahoo!. I do use a HTTP tunneller, corkscrew, to do ssh into public servers. Regarding ssh, one needs BOTH corkscrew and the opened ports in Squid to do anything at all. In a scenario where only the Squid acls are relaxed but tunneling not done, ssh also says "Temporary failure in name resolution". At this point I have a feeling that one needs to tunnel GAIM like ssh. But following the instructions in http://www.http-tunnel.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=1227&, I get "proxy connection error 503" for IRC and "Couldn't connect to host" for Jabber (GTalk). Please note that this was done with the Squid acls relaxed, whereby Jabber and Yahoo were connecting without tunneling, but IRC was not. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FC5 Installation
by bimal pandit 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

Dear Vinayakam, On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 Vinayakam Murugan wrote : >I did install FC5 on a Toshiba A105-S4094 with a 120GB SATA HDD . It worked >fine. I am still trying to configure my display (getting 800x600 only) but >that's another story. > >On 8/5/06, Jagdish Chhailkar <cjagdish69(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>I have compaq Pressario with ATI Radeon Xpress200 display card,160GB SATA >>HDD,256 MB DDR2,AMI Bios V3.07,CD-R/RW/DVD Read. >> >>I have successfully installed Win-XP and now trying to install FC5. While >>installation it is displaying 'installing sata_sil driver' and the >>installation continues. But at the time of partitioning it shows "No Hard >>Drive Found". >> >> >>Instead of which if i go for FC4 or Mandriva Linux 2006 , the installation >>goes cool. >> >>I have received DVD's of FC4 & FC5 with LFY's MAY-06 issue. >> >>What will be the reason & how can I solve this problem to install FC5 ?. >> >>-- >>Jagdish R.Chhailkar as a root on a root terminal use "system-config-display" to get a tool to configure your display while most preferred and better way is to edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" see the line which contains ... Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection hope this will help. regards, Bimal Pandit

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

>> What do you mean? This is nerve wracking! I never got a working >> solution. In my experience (which is not huge) I have never seen >> anybody get in trouble because of Meebo. Get me some evidence, or a >> solution. Or just let me try to develop a solution. > great way to take support dude. What do you mean? See it is very easy to sit there and pass comments. I just fervently pray that you do not get trapped behind such a draconian firewall. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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