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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

>> That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice >> debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all >> needed. > Umm... there is no need. I remember all the 'security risks' and > 'identity thefts' that were covered the last time :P What do you mean? This is nerve wracking! I never got a working solution. In my experience (which is not huge) I have never seen anybody get in trouble because of Meebo. Get me some evidence, or a solution. Or just let me try to develop a solution. > Some services ( sms.ac, hi5, ringo, some > IQ testing services and spammers ) misuse your id and people should How do you know? I am curious. >> And yes Kenneth, I think you are going way over board. Who are you to >> decide to boot the chap? Sure he has made a mistake. But then I don't >> think that has been repeated by him. Who are you to single handedly >> force the point that people need to be booted without any warning? I >> mean I thought this mailing list's code of conduct was drafted by >> some knowledgeable person in a reasonably democratic way. Ok >> Hyderabad does it, Chennai does, so what? So what man? You are taking >> this issue to such an extent as to start another deluge of OT posts. > Please calm down. Even I was with him on this one. My apologies. You want me to bark at you too? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Commercial Offer
by Arun 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

We are looking to setting up a team of Linux Network administrators. Persons with knowledge of Asterisk PBX, Microtik router and generally good networking experience will be wonderful. We could work on a consultancy basis or on a fixed employment basis. Please email us on arun1(a)esoftech.com if you are interested. Thanks.

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re: interested in linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

> Actually installing and using GNU/linux is quite simple, but people > being made of 26 chromosomes and gadzillion genes behave > unpredictably hence the requirements. Amazing. I am adding this to /usr/share/games/fortune/linux. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

> Rishi...stop it. You're making a fool of yourself. I request you again, > just calm down. AFAIK you were the ones getting worked up and asking for the fellow's head and saying moderation is evil and not enough. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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FC5 Installation
by Jagdish Chhailkar 12 Aug '06

12 Aug '06

I have compaq Pressario with ATI Radeon Xpress200 display card,160GB SATA HDD,256 MB DDR2,AMI Bios V3.07,CD-R/RW/DVD Read. I have successfully installed Win-XP and now trying to install FC5. While installation it is displaying 'installing sata_sil driver' and the installation continues. But at the time of partitioning it shows "No Hard Drive Found". Instead of which if i go for FC4 or Mandriva Linux 2006 , the installation goes cool. I have received DVD's of FC4 & FC5 with LFY's MAY-06 issue. What will be the reason & how can I solve this problem to install FC5 ?. -- Jagdish R.Chhailkar

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Request help for setting up Hp AIO 1315 on Turbolinux
by Jiten Prajapati 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Dear All, Hi, I am a new member of this group and require your help. I have a Compaq Prasario S6060IL (Celeron 2.5 Ghz, 128Mb, 40GB HDD) which came bundled with Turbolinux 10D. I am trying to set up my HP all-in-one printer AIO-1315. I downloaded the hplip-1.6.6a.tar.gz from sourceforge for installing. I ran ./configure, which did not show any error messages. Then I ran "make", but it gives an error msg. as given below: make Making all in . make[1]: Entering directory `/home/jitenap/hplip/hplip-1.6.6a' if g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"HP\ Linux\ Imaging\ and\ Printing\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\" hplip\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"1.6.6a\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"HP\ Linux\ Imaging\ and\ Printing\ 1.6.6a\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"1.6.6a.4\" -DPACKAGE=\"hplip\" -DVERSI ON=\"1.6.6a\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_S TDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES _H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DHAVE_LIBPTHREAD=1 -D HAVE_LIBCRYPTO=1 -DHAVE_LIBUSB=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_CUPS_CUPS_H=1 -DHAVE_NE T_SNMP_NET_SNMP_CONFIG_H=1 -DHAVE_PPORT=1 -DHAVE_LIBSNMP=1 -I. -I. -Iprnt/hpijs -Iip -g -O2 -MT device.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/device.Tpo" -c -o device.o `test -f 'io/hpiod/device.cpp' || echo './'`io/hpiod/device.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/device.Tpo" ".deps/device.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/device.Tpo"; exit 1; fi io/hpiod/device.cpp: In member function `int Device::IsUri(usb_device*, char*)': io/hpiod/device.cpp:665: error: `usb_get_string_simple' undeclared (first use th is function) io/hpiod/device.cpp:665: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc e for each function it appears in.) make[1]: *** [device.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jitenap/hplip/hplip-1.6.6a' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 I tried a google search but was not successful. Any help will be highly appreciated as I am not a programmer. Thanks and regards, Jiten

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Libyahoo2
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Note: the change in subject. ;-) > Yahoo!'s firewall with no proxy option connects to Yahoo! by wrapping > the YMSG protocol inside HTTP. Gaim currently doesn't support doing > this. Does libyahoo2 support it? Why the split between the two? IMHO it would be much better to have a single free implementation of the protocol. So many different implementations with some feature here and some there is heavily self-defeating for the community. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

The subject line indicates something, that might have been discussed in the past, over several forums/mailing lists/boards etc. But, I intend to initiate this thread after reading an article in Business Today,which concludes Open Office, is ready for acceptance among many and Mozilla Firefox, seems to replace Internet Explorer for a few Windows users. It also speaks about GNU/Linux and below is the excerpt It states "Why has Linux never taken off? Simple; it's terribly easy to set up if you have a BSc or BTech degree ...." Also "there is no _one_ Linux anymore" (You have Windows XP) "...15 major releases (distros) and many of them don't work with each other.." So does this mean it GNU/Linux is only for Geeks? What exactly stops a Windows User to migrate to any GNU/Linux? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[Commercial] Red Hat is looking for a Program Manager
by Venkatesh Hariharan 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Red Hat's Open Source Affairs team needs a high-caliber Program Manager experienced in working with government, academia and industry. Over the last five years, Red Hat has established itself as a key player in the Indian IT infrastructure space. The role of the Program Manager will be to work with the Head – Open Source Affairs and the Red Hat team to drive specific, targeted programs that grow the open source ecosystem in government, academia and industry. The role offers tremendous growth potential for self-motivated, driven individuals with the ability to take end-to-end responsibility for conceptualizing and implementing Red Hat's outreach programs. We are seeking a proactive and organized team player with relevant experience to join our growing team. Requirements: * Three to five years of experience in managing large outreach programs targeting government, academia and industry. * Demonstrated experience in working with broad cross-functional teams. * Excellent project management skills and attention to details. * Excellent written and oral communication skills. * Keen interest in the latest technology trends. A passion for open source would be a plus. * Minimum of a BA/BS Computer Science or related technical degree required. MBA or MCA is a plus. * Demonstrated ability to complete multiple tasks concurrently and deliver results under pressure in a fast-paced environment. * A career-minded individual with the desire to grow with the organization. Those interested are requested to send their resume to venkyh(a)gmail.com with the subject: OSA Program Manager. Regards, Venky

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gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Guest_gaurav2004 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> why are you taking this personaly? I am not. > What i am emphasising is that the concept of moderation is > inherently evil as it sets up one person in judgement over others. > Which is alien to the philosophy of freedom we support here. We are > not china, with 30,0000 big brothers looking after our behaviour and > habits. Ah. Moderation is evil, because it sets up one person in judgement over the others? So are you indicating that kicking/banning requires NO judgement. I find this funny. > anyone stupid enough, careless enough to get his mail account > infected by such viruses is a menace to the community and deserves to > be booted. You dont blame the birds that get flu - you just cull them So next time you get infected by a fever, malaria, or any infectious disease be prepared to get KILLED, and NOT CURED. > law and democracy have nothing to do with mailing lists. Admin is the > boss - if he boots you are booted. Wonderful. I am impressed. But going by your previous argument "moderation is inherently evil as it sets up one person in judgement over others", don't you think this is self-contradictory? > please distinguish between mere breaches of etiquette - not trimming > posts, top posting, getting OT, being longwinded, using smsspeak - > with behaviour that damages the list. The first requires peer > pressure to rectify, but the second can only be cured with the boot. > And i think anything personal you may have against me could be taken > offlist. Nonsense. You mean to say that ONE spam is going to destroy the list, while HUNDREDs of OTs and other nuisances are mere breaches of etiquette. What if I say that the spam was another OT post missing the appropriate tag? I mean I am simply unable to distinguish. Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

>> unusual. But I think you have not got the whole picture. I did not >> make Meebo, they dont pay me. All I want is a solution. A workable >> solution. You have said these same things last time this whole >> discussion cropped up. But where is the alternative? I stop using >> Meebo. Fine. So how do I IM. > I've already built a partial solution for you to use. It's up to you to > take it forward. I've been looking for new developers for over two > years, and no one has stepped forward. > If you're interested, try http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ I am very much interested. I am already on the libyahoo mailing list, but I joined 1.5 years back when I was still a n00b. I recently heard from Dr. Nagarjuna that you had authored libyahoo, and had heard about Freehoo and Freetalk independently while browsing the Web many that same 1.5 years back. Could you just give me a pointer as what the issue exactly is? I mean what is the difference between the Windoze and the Free client? I heard that the Windows client keeps scanning the ports and picks one which is available. Is this the 'magic'? Looking forward to the libyahoo project page... Happy hacking, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> I work behind a very restrictive firewall too, and we (people in my org) > realized that the communication in all the clients is happening over http. > The clients "tunnel" their protocols over http and hence it works. > If you use gaim, you may want to go to advanced settings and try giving port > numbers as 20, 23 and 80 to see if yahoo, gtalk and MSN start working. Thanks for the interest. But I had tried this in the past and I tried it just now. Does not work. GMail (on GAIM) simpy said 'port x tunneling not allowed', while Yahoo (on GAIM) gave a 'write error' for port 80. Other messages were the same for GTalk. GAIM would start working out of the box, if the ports are opened. I know this since the ports were opened temporarily and they just worked. Let me tell this list, that in the period when GAIM was working people (including most Windoze users) became a huge fan of GAIM. GAIM was preferred over and above the GTalk and Yahoo! Messenger clients. > I have not tried it, hence can't comment. But this has been tried in our > organization. With what results? Cheers, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Want the linux setup....
by Amey Salvi 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

hi all i want to shift to linux ...... from where can i download the setup plz guide me and give me the links thanks to all

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Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> Remember the hulla ballo that was created when someone > suggested using meebo? :O That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all needed. Why blame meebo? Because its the new kid on the block, and not as big as Yahoo! MSN, or Google? How do you know that the big names are not giving out your ID to some unwanted place? And yes Kenneth, I think you are going way over board. Who are you to decide to boot the chap? Sure he has made a mistake. But then I don't think that has been repeated by him. Who are you to single handedly force the point that people need to be booted without any warning? I mean I thought this mailing list's code of conduct was drafted by some knowledgeable person in a reasonably democratic way. Ok Hyderabad does it, Chennai does, so what? So what man? You are taking this issue to such an extent as to start another deluge of OT posts. Tell me onething everybody. What happens if your mail account gets infected by viruses of the sort that keep sending mails to all the addresses in our address book. Its theoretically all right to talk about how one should not give around his ID, blah, blah.... But in such a case you are realy the victim and not the transgressor. This one spam is NOTHING compared to the deluge of OT threads, which got the whole list a very bad name. (Read ilug-cal archives.) Dont make this fellow a scapegoat. Regards, Debarshi -- Dinesh A. Joshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Free Linux from the makers of Lindows (Linspire)
by kunal gangar 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hello, This is a new open source linux called the Freespire. Short Introduction: Freespire is a community-driven, Linux-based operating system that combines the best that free, open source software has to offer (community driven, freely distributed, open source code, etc.), but also provides users the choice of including proprietary codecs, drivers and applications<http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Summary_of_Proprietary_Components>as they see fit. With Freespire, the choice is yours as to what software is installed on your computer, with no limitations or restrictions placed on that choice. How you choose to maximize the performance of your computer is entirely up to you. Well, please reply back if you try this. And is it better than SLED? www.freespire.org -- Kunal Gangar. Editor, Tech Ticker http://www.techtickerblog.com

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NRC-FOSS is looking for project scientists
by Kenneth Gonsalves 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

hi, no apologies for not tagging this as [commercial][OT] because it is not. NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC, MIT campus, Anna University Chennai is a project funded by the DIT for the pupose of development of FOSS in India. In addition to propagation of FOSS, we are now trying to build a world standard academic and research programme centred round FOSS. Backed by proven expertise of the AU-KBC centre in the fields of mathematics, cryptography, pattern recognition, life-sciences, wireless and bio-informatics, we are building certificate, diploma and postgraduate programmes centred around FOSS on one side and building and releasing FOSS applications in these fields on the other side. We invite interested people to join us. Details of the posts are at: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/12/AN/ No, we dont offer multinational salaries. Yes, we believe in academic freedom, a relaxed atmosphere, 24/7 working labs and offices, no dress code, intellectual stimulation. (And, yes, again, this *is* happening in a Govt of India Project). Our goal is to produce FOSS code and train people to do this - and enjoy doing this. Our motto is 'Foss is Fun'. Join the fun. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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OpenSSL License revoked
by Mohan Krishnan 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

An interesting development. OpenSSL lincense has been revoked (later rescinded to "suspended" status ). Pl. read http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-News/b6cfd84f-8646-4318-b231-1e80ca29e… - Mohan Krishnan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> You know what? those internet access restrictions are there so that > you spend your time in your work/studies. Not really. They just encourage more and more people to fall in love with Winblows, and leave me to waste my study-time in finding a solution. :-| /me runs after Anurag. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] repairs. toshiba tecra. lamington road?
by Abhishek Daga 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

My tecra laptop screen cannot stay up if the angle if it is tilted more than 90 degrees. is there any recommended place on lamington road or vicinity that will "tighten the screws" on that? thanks. abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Is GNU/Linux only for Geeks?
by Roshan 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> > is there any lug meet happening anytime soon ? > > > Would 27th of August be fine with all? Though the thread has gone a bit off topic (geeks to meet ;) no problem) , 27th August would be fine (hopefully) for me. But it seems to be very late. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Sorry that my previous post had an unnecessary forwarded suffix. > Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third > party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to > Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an > old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly > mentioned in their TOS. I am tired of listening to things that I already knew much much before. Arey where is the solution? How do I chat? Dont we use third party IM clients? God knows what they are doing with our passwords. It might take some time before a back door is discovered, and thats equally bad. What about the alternate email IDs these people ask for. Yahoo! might not abuse its own ID but might do so with a GMail ID. I am not accusing, but I am just curious. Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

> Ok, I'll tell you what. You give me all your passwords, and I'll agree > that there's nothing wrong with using meebo. If you're not willing to > give me your passwords, then don't tell others to give out theirs. I did not understand. > Note, (and I hope you read this very very carefully), this is NOT about > giving out your email address. I already have that. This is about > passwords. What if there is a back door in the latest version of GAIM, Kopete, Freetalk, etc.. Sure one will notice it and plug the hole, but before thats done many people would have gone down the hole. > One last question for you. How many people have you seen who have lost > their Yahoo! account? I've seen thousands. Ah. Interesting. You work in Yahoo! don't you? So thats nothing unusual. But I think you have not got the whole picture. I did not make Meebo, they dont pay me. All I want is a solution. A workable solution. You have said these same things last time this whole discussion cropped up. But where is the alternative? I stop using Meebo. Fine. So how do I IM. Let me tell you that this IMing issue is one of the main reasons why people don't shift to a Free OS completly. And if they DO Meebo is their only saviour. Atleast the only one I know of. Cheers, Debarshi -- For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from, and (d) rocks. (Equal Rites) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:41:31 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meebo Sometime on Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 02:44:51AM +0530, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray said: > >Remember the hulla ballo that was created when someone > >suggested using meebo? :O > > That someone was me. If you really want it, then we can have a nice > debate on this, and I can clearly explain to you why it was at all > needed. > > Why blame meebo? Because its the new kid on the block, and not as big > as Yahoo! MSN, or Google? How do you know that the big names are not > giving out your ID to some unwanted place? Please note that this is about giving your Yahoo/MSN info to third party. There's nothing wrong in giving Yahoo/MSN's login/passwd to Yahoo/MSN itself, no matter if its a new kid around the block or an old heavy weight. What Yahoo/MSN will do with your info is clearly mentioned in their TOS. > Tell me onething everybody. What happens if your mail account gets > infected by viruses of the sort that keep sending mails to all the > addresses in our address book. Its theoretically all right to talk That is the precise reason why this list does not allow emails larger than 7KB and strips out all the attachments. Most of these kinds of nematodes spread via attachments. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail.com wants to 3D IM w/ you on IMVU
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

>> then the veterans of the group can take turns every week or fortnight >> to moderate. > that opens a fresh can of worms - who decides who is fit to moderate? > Boot is much simpler. Ah. Wonderful my dear friend Kenneth. I though you were a lawyer. So does the law permit you to execute a person if you can not give him a fair trial? For whatever reasons that be. I know this is getting a bit personal, but I strongly disagree with such browbeating attitude. The problem caused by this single piece of unwanted mail is NOTHING compared to the huge amount of OT discussions we have. Such threads are often extended by so called 'experienced' members of the list. So why not kick them out first? Regards, Debarshi -- "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -Jean Kerr

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[OT] AntiDialer (Sify Broadband Dialer) v0.2 released
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hi guys, AntiDialer v0.2 has been released. Those interested may know more about it at: http://siddhesh.phpnet.us/antidialer.php Regards, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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