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The most active GLUG in Bangalore ??
by suhas prabhu 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Dear GLUGers, Can anyone please tell me which is the most active GLUG in Bangalore ?? I have recently shifted to Bangalore and I miss the Mumbai LUG very much. I did search on the net but blug.in seems to be old and not-so-updated. Also it seems to be inactive.... Please help. Regards, Suhas

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

> xmgrace..(now called. grace)...but i have found gnuplot to be more appealing > and robust..... > Harish Thanks to you too... Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software for drawing graphs.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

Thanks to Kenneth and Prasanta for the help. I had heard about GNUPlot before from Atanuda (don't know whether he is on the list or not), but never knew about PIL. Will try it out though. Thanks a lot, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Routing between 2 private networks.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

http://www.tutorialsall.com/SLACKWARE/routing-between/ I have exactly the problem as the one in the above link. I also believe that the solution (the one by Eric Hameleers) is also the same: "configure your internet router with an additional return static route for the "hidden" network segment". The current status of the router (a FC5 box): [root@Sunflower ~]# echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [root@Sunflower ~]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:9F:4A:62:A8 inet addr:172.16.16.144 Bcast:172.16.19.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2c0:9fff:fe4a:62a8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:149195 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:10836 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:16685165 (15.9 MiB) TX bytes:3077530 (2.9 MiB) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xc800 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:F1:36:27:6F inet addr:192.168.0.144 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:f1ff:fe36:276f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:11971 errors:393 dropped:385 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9938 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3405233 (3.2 MiB) TX bytes:3280636 (3.1 MiB) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 Memory:e0204000-e0204fff lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14811 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) TX bytes:10120532 (9.6 MiB) [root@Sunflower ~]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 172.16.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 172.16.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [root@Sunflower ~]# I need machines on the 192.168.0.x network to be able to access the proxy 172.16.16.2 on the 172.16.16.x network. The router is 172.16.16.144. I have set 192.168.0.144 as the gateway on the 192.168.0.x machines. The machines on the 192.168.0.x network can ping each other, can ping 172.16.16.144, but not any other machine on 172.16.16.x. It seems that the outward packets are getting routed but they are lost on the way back to the 192.168.0.x network. What would be the exact 'route' command to fix this. I would like to avoid the iptables/ipchains and the NAT way of setting this up. Please help. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Fw: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community
by Devdas Bhagat 02 Aug '06

02 Aug '06

----- Forwarded message from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> ----- From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <rishab(a)dxm.org> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:01:35 +0200 To: India-Gii <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Cc: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] flossworld survey of indian FLOSS community X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Reply-To: silklist(a)lists.hserus.net hi all, for the people here involved in the indian free software/open source community, i'd appreciate it if you could help publicise this survey we're conducting as part of the FLOSSWORLD project (flossworld.org) - we're studying 8 countries with customised but comparable surveys, and india is one of them with a poor response so far. please post it to LUGs, project mailing lists etc where you haven't seen it already? http://flossworld.org/survey/dev_open.php thanks a lot! best, rishab ----- End forwarded message -----

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cgi images not showing up
by ryan coelho 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, I am not able to get an image in my cgi / html script Contains cgi shell scripts not perl but if anyone has perl is also a welcome Can anyone help please ..... Regards Ryan

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Hindawi@Linux now available for download
by Abhishek Choudhary 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

The first ever complete Indic computer programming suite has now been successfully ported to Linux. It supports Hindi BASIC, Hindi C, Hindi C++, Hindi Java (tm), Hindi LEX, Hindi YACC, and Hindi ASSEMBLY languages. Hindawi@Linux also includes an email client to send and receive mail in Hindi using Romenagri. This has a benefit that those who have this client will see the Hindi email in Devnagri, while all other mail clients will show it in the Roman / Rose script. Currently available clients would show garbage if the proper encoding was not available. Kindly visit the following link for screen shots and downloads. http://www.indicybers.com/HindawiLinux/ You may contact Abhishek Choudhary, the developer of Hindawi, Romenagri and related software at hi_pedler(a)yahoo.com or call him on +91-9980340138 (for support please email; congratulatory calls are welcome and so are contributory calls). Regards, Abhishek

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misleading advertisement
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Ms Fletcher I am in possession of your mailed offer advertising PC guides entitled "At Home With Your PC". On reading this, together with the sample guides enclosed, it appears that the material you are selling (at a huge discount from the advertised price) is a 'helpful guide' aimed at home users of personal computers running versions of the Microsoft Windows operating systems. However, this clarification appears nowhere in the text of the offer, which only refers to PCs as though the term 'PC' implies solely such devices. There is no mention at all of GNU/Linux or Macintosh or any other widely used operating system for personal computers, which in themselves are not (for your information) confined to a single operating system, and definitely not solely to versions of a proprietary operating system that constitute a virtual monopoly of consumer's mindspace, probably due in large part to such misleading public messages purveyed by prominent media organisations. In fact, you do not even mention the trademark 'Microsoft Windows' or its equivalent, thus implying in substance that there are no alternative systems in existence. It is only on reading the 'sample guides' in detail that it becomes clear that your offer relates only to use of Microsoft Windows and additional computer applications such as Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel sold by the same company. In very fine print (and at right angles to the normal text), the guide pages carry a certificate that the content of the guide has information pertinent to home users of computers running Windows 95 (not correctly trademarked Microsoft Windows 95) and above. There is no such disclaimer in the text or margins of your offer letter. I find this a shocking misuse of the goodwill that the Reader's Digest has built up over the years, one that supports free choice for the consumer to purchase goods and services, without being misguided by the media. I am copying this mail, in protest, to public service lists relating to the use of computers in India, and to users of alternate operating systems. I trust that others will be informed in time of the limitations of your offer and be able to make an informed judgment regarding their own purchase decisions. Unfortunately I do not immediately have at hand the mailing address of the Consumer Society of India or of the Advertising Standards Council of India, who also should be informed. I do hope you will immediately either unconditionally withdraw this partisan offer, or suspend it until your editorial team can expand your offering to users of alternate systems, or make it clear that your offer is indeed limited as described, explaining exactly why you have chosen in this case to withhold important information, thus relaxing your journalistic independence. Sincerely Vickram Crishna

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Re: Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by Network Accelerator 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Hi, What is the agenda for this year FOSS.IN? Thanks indeed.

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List Guidelines
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Dear Anurag and List Admins, Based on your statement below:- "List Members, Please keep the focus of your mails on linux and related technologies, and do not post replies to potential trouble makers." Could you please clarify more on the term `related technologies' with reference to linux or FOSS? Does any new idea or concept for any technology that has a potential use of Linux or FOSS in the future come under this category? Why is the presenter of such ideas being branded as a trouble maker? If the list members break rules and post anti-Govt. or communal replies, why is the OP being punished for it. Tomorrow if an on-topic discussion diverts into such replies, will the OP still be held responsible for that? My observation of this list as well as the general attitude of Indians towards scientific development is that we are not cut out to develop new technologies or inventions. We are destined to be slaves and coolies of technologies that are handed down to us by our foreign masters. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Dinesh Joshi 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi list, I am currently learning neural networks as a hobby. I would like to implement them in C and on Linux. I have googled around and there seems to be immense data on them yet its all theoretical. I am currently learning the BPN algorithm whose logic I am able to understand but the math is a bit tough. I would like to know if there is/are some book / website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) I've gotten links / pdfs if anybody is interested I can post them here ( not PDFs ofcourse ). Thanks. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[OT] Laptops - AMD Sempron v/s Intel Celeron
by Arun Khan 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Want to buy a "budget" laptop. The CPU choices are AMD Mobile Sempron 3000+ (1.8GHz, 128K L2 cache) and Intel Mobile Celeron (1.6GHz, 1MB L2 cache). Given resp. units have 512MB system RAM (w/ 128M for video) and comparable HDD, which CPU is likely to give better performance? TIA. -- Arun Khan

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Anyone going for FOSS.IN
by आनंद (Anand M R) 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

The dates of this year's FOSS.In have been announced as November 24/25/26. Is anyone planning to go from mumbai ?

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extracting metadata from media
by Arjun Jain 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hi everyone, I am trying to extract meta data from various file formats, viz JPEG, BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG and MP3. I was trying to look for a generic library which would support all (or most) of the given file formats. The only library(C/C++) I could find was libextractor but I couldn't use it because I want it to work on both platforms. Thus, For MP3 i am using id3lib and for JPEG exiv2lib. I would be grateful if anyone could point me to libraries which extract metadata from the other file formats (viz BMP, GIF, PSD and AVI, MPEG). TIA, Regards, aj -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arjun Jain, Development Engineer PI Corporation (http://picorp.com) http://arjunjain.net Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rvcelug/ -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Python Learning
by Sameer Niphadkar 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Hello guys, We wish to implement our project in python as it is one of the most robust open programming language. So can you give us some guidelines from where we can start our learning. We have got our hands on two books 1) Learning Python - O'reilly Pub (Lot of theoratical stuff) 2) Python Complete Refrence - (again lot of theory). Since we have good experience with programming, it would be great if we can start with Python coding directly. Any pointers ? regards Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Having a gateway outside the network
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

Hi, I was installing Ubuntu for my fiancee and found a strange little problem when configuring her network. Her IP address is 172.20.x.x and her gatway is 10.10.10.2. Ubuntu cried out loud about the gateway not being part of the network and didn't let me configure that way. What I did was add a startup script that added a direct route to the gateway first and then added the default gateway just after the interface is initialized (I removed the gateway line from /etc/network/interfaces). While this works, this seemed a very ugly fix to me. This odd network setting "Just Works" on Windows. Is there an easier way to do this that I'm missing out on? I've also tried adding the "up route add..." line in /etc/network/interfaces. That doesn't seem to work. Thanks, Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

>> http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: >> export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" >> export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" > I am no expert, but should not there be a "/" after the proxy port? We > also use squid proxy, and have been told that the "/" is essential. Well it seems you are an expert after all. Adding the "/" and tinckering with the timeout value in yum.conf has got YUM working for me. Cheers, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 29 Jul '06

29 Jul '06

>> [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name >> resolution')> > I think that there is a problem with your dns server. No I do not think so, since wget is working absolutely fine, and so is Firefox. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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OLPC rejected by GOI
by jtd 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/75968 OLPC is not useful for the target audience. Classrooms and teachers is what we need. according to the HR development mandarins. -- "It may actually be detrimental to the growth of creative and analytical abilities of the child," the secretary added. Classrooms and teachers were more urgently needed than "fancy tools," Never mind that the schools already built exist on paper and the teachers are pure vapour. Same old logic about radio, tv and phones being luxury products "we need drinking water and medicine" went the refrain in a thankfully bygone era. Rgds JTD

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[OT] Apache URL Rewriting
by Joel A Divekar 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hi All I need help on URL rewriting under Apache 2.0.x. I need to do following : a) When following request is received by Apache http://127.0.0.1:85/spot?s=25&format=text/html it should be rewritten and called as http://100.100.100.100:85/spot?s=111&format=text/html with the following settings in my httpd.conf I am able to get ip address changed but no luck with the s=25 to s=111. I am running out of time and can anybody guide as I am not too good with regular expression. <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.+) http://100.100.100.100:85/$1 </IfModule> Regards Joel 9867572484

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

>> Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an >> optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former >> roomie), [name deleted] <arjuns[email deleted]> started writing a C++ > If that was my name and email, I'd be pissed off. Well, it was neither your name nor your email. I do have the permission to provide his email ID on this list. Comments like these are not needed and should be avoided in the aftermath of the horrible flame wars and OT mails that flooded the list. Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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YUM issues
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

I am using Fedora Core 5, and am behind a Squid proxy. I have set the http_proxy, ftp_proxy variables in /etc/profile as: export http_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export https_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export ftp_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" export socks_proxy="http://mmh3:mmh3@172.16.16.2:3128" My /etc/wgetrc looks like: #http_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ #ftp_proxy = http://proxy.yoyodyne.com:18023/ use_proxy = on Since the proxy variables are already set in /etc/profile I have not set them here. Moreover wget can successfully download files from the Internet. My /etc/yum.conf looks like: [main] proxy=http://172.16.16.2 proxy_username=mmh3 proxy_password=mmh3 cachedir=/var/cache/yum keepcache=0 debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 obsoletes=1 gpgcheck=0 plugins=1 metadata_expire=1800 timeout=7 However I get: [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo yum list Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up repositories updates [1/4] http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')> Trying other mirror. Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: updates failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ The same XML file http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/repo… can be successfully downloaded by wget and seen by Firefox. So why the error? Regards, Debarshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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Re: lug meet
by Roshan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

> On 7/23/06, Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > > I'm interested to meet LUG members. The last I had > > attended was in February. :( > Hehe, you think that was far back? The last I > attended was back in 2002 :P Oh..that is way back! > Are colleges (Ruparel, Bhavans, etc.) not open to > LUG meets anymore? Shouldn't they be? Perhaps, this will create more awareness among college students atleast. > They happen in the Eastern subrubs, rather than > central Mumbai. I am a > bit too far off to attend a meet sadly. Is there any "fixed" place for the lug meet? Just curious __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Share your views with LFY: CommunitySpeak Episode 3
by Janani Gopalakrishnan 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hello all, Greetings from the Linux For You magazine team! As you all know, two months ago we launched a new initiative called CommunitySpeak where we pose a question to various ILUG mailing lists and publish the top five responses (selected by our technical editors) in the magazine. Thanks to all those who responded to last month's question. The best among the responses received are to be published in the August 2006 issue of LFY. We have contacted the chosen respondents off-list. This month we have chosen the topic: "What does one gain from participating in an open source project that he/she does not gain from a regular work environment?" What's your take on this? Our eyes and ears are wide open and we are waiting to listen to your views. Please write to us at writetojanani(a)gmail.com with a CC to atul.goel(a)efyindia.com, before 5th August 2006. The top five responses will be published in the September 2006 issue of Linux for You. Look forward to your responses. Thanks, Janani Gopalakrishnan, Freelance Writer Atul Goel, Asst. Associate Editor, LFY He who controls others may be powerful but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. - Lao Tsu

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Neural Networks + Linux
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

> I would like to know if there is/are some book / > website / white papers which talk about Neural Networks from > implementation / performance point of view. Oh yes, it would be great > help if the math is explained in simpler terms :) Well, I learnt Artificial Neural Networks back in 3rd semester as an optional subject. One of my classmates (in fact he is my former roomie), Arjun Shankar <arjunsha(a)gmail.com> started writing a C++ library for ANN. It was very simply written. The project was hosted in Savannah but the codes are not yet available there due to network restrictions in our campus proxy. I hope you will be able to solve your doubts with Arjun's help. Cheers, Debarshi -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- ,= ,-_-. =. ((_/)o o(\_)) `-'(. .)`-' \_/

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