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Don't bluff yourself, GNU/Linux is essential to our students today... lessons from New Mexico
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

A fascinating note. Facts and figures that might have missed you amidst all the proprietorial software propagand. Am grateful to Dr Charles Cosse <ccosse(a)psl.nmsu.edu> who sent me this note: "Hello -- Greetings from Las Cruces, NM (USA)! Just writing a quick note of thanks for your continued efforts towards the advancement of FOSS/Linux/etc...I've enjoyed your newsletter and continue to benefit from your information dissemination. Here in Las Cruces, NM, I am attempting to assemble the pieces of a "New Mexico Linux Corps". Please have a look if you get a chance...perhaps someday if your in the area we can meet for lunch! Hope so, meanwhile, thanks again! Sincerely, Charles Cosse http://linuxcorps.nmsu.edu http://www.asymptopia.org " The only thing is that I'm almost exactly at the other end of the planet ;-) Further contacts for those interested: Charles Cossé, Ph.D. Physics & Software R&D Physical Science Laboratory New Mexico State University ccosse(a)psl.nmsu.edu 505.522.9291 (voice) 505.522.9428 (fax) PS: Free/Libre and Open Source Software doesn't just teach you *one brand* of computing. It takes you to an indepth level of learning, which allows its students to cope with any challenges that arise in future... * * * * * * * * * New Mexico Linux Corps The New Mexico Linux Corps is an outreach project at New Mexico State University which partners with interested school districts to compliment and assist their efforts as they expand the resources available to their students in terms of OpenSource software and computers running the Linux operating system. A quick survey of businesses and government institutions that rely on Linux and OpenSource, daily, serves to emphasize the need for increasing its' presence in our schools: Google, Yahoo, Pixar, Amazon, Sony, NASA, Intel, IBM, OSX, FAA, NSA, CIA, FBI, DOE, DHS, NMSU, UNM, U.S. Military, Raytheon, Locheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Zianet, Hewlett-Packard, Hughs, Harris, Los Alamos, Sandia, Autozone, Novell, Calculex, Oracle, Shell, Conoco, Home Depot, Digital Domain, U.S. Postal Service, LCPS, State of Massachusetts, State of Indiana, Motorolla, and many more. As of today, Linux is the fastest growing software and powers 8/10 of the worlds' fastest supercomputers. Many school districts around the country -- indeed, the world -- have recognized the importance of Linux and OpenSource in today's workforce, and successfully educate their students with-and-about it. As New Mexico works to preserve its' status as a center for high-tech creativity we need to empower the next generation with a more complete set of practical skills to implement their innovations. The long-term benefit to the State of New Mexico will be the production of graduates with familiarity and capabilities in an area upon-which our local economies increasingly rely. We are currently in the process of advancing our program to provide modest financial support for a handful of mobile tech-staff to assist interested schools in Southern New Mexico with installation, training, application development, and technical support. We look forward to working together with these pioneering schools to expand the educational opportunities for their students, our future. Teaching with-and-about Linux and OpenSource has the potential to profoundly affect the lives of many students in positive ways. The New Mexico Linux Corps project remains committed to serving the students, the schools and the State of New Mexico. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 ---------------------------------------------------------- AsiaCommons' blog http://www.asia-commons.net/blog/39

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Help / installing a new ethernet card / Gentoo
by Abhijeet 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

Hi, I've had gentoo 2005.1 with a 2.6.15-r1 gentoo kernel installed for the past 6 months. Recently, my ethernet card conked off and after lots of testing, I was advised by my 'knowledgeable' cablenet operator to get a new one - so I did. I've got an intex lan card with an Realtek 8139d chipset now and I got a drivers cd along with that. I tried compiling the source for the module which they've provided in that CD but was unsuccessful. I used to have a Pronet card with a Realtek 8139 chipset and that was autodetected during installation. What I was wondering was if there is any other way to go about installing this new ethernet card and also unregister the old one; as during boot it gives an error saying that eth0 is not present or something to that effect. I tried looking up google and forums, but couldn't find much. Thanks in advance. Abhijeet

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[OT] IBM 'frozen' chip runs at 500GHz
by Arun K. Khan 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

IBM computer simulations show that their chip could reach speeds of 1,000 GHz http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/06/20/79449_HNibmfrozenchip_1.html -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there. -- Sydney J. Harris

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Billy baba resigning [OT yawn]
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

> This argument isn't true at all. What if the child wants to change the > file associations? What if the child wants to draw a simple drawing? > ( Paint brush kicks Kpaints a$$ ). What if the child wants to install a > flash plugin? Firefox has issues installing plugins on my FC5 system. Who knows? The child might just solve all these problems. eg., she might come with a KPaint that kicks Paint's a$$! IMHO it is much better to expose a child to things she can do, than stuff ready-made for her. Regards, Debarshi

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Linux hands on
by Vishal 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

Hello , I'm looking out hand's on trainning on Linux to clear my few doubt's . Is there anyone indidival or any trainning institute who can conduct a small session for me on on Linux hand's on . Regards Vishal

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[OT] Erratic service MTNL TriBand
by Arun K. Khan 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

Looks like MTNL has joined the band wagon of crappy ISPs of India. For the past 3 days, I have been experiencing erratic net access to the "Internet." I run my own DNS (bind) - an inordinate time for a name lookup is a good indication that queries to the root servers are not going through. Usually, a reboot of the modem has solved the problem. However, today around 15:00 it got to the point that I was not able to ping the MTNL gw 59.183.63.254 assigned to the Triband subnet. Upon further investigation I found that my modem/router was not getting any dynamic IP assignment for about an hour (ATM link layer checked out OK). My connection is off the Khar(W) Exchg. Anybody with TriBand service experiencing the same? -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) "I can resist anything but temptation."

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Re: Linux hands on
by Roshan 21 Jun '06

21 Jun '06

> Hello , > > I'm looking out hand's on trainning on Linux to > clear my few doubt's . Is > there anyone indidival or any trainning institute > who can conduct a small > session for me on on Linux hand's on . As stated in one of the earlier emails to the list, you can do it by yourself. You might explore a lot more, but disadvantages like inconsistency (aaj kiya, kal nahi, parson kiya, badme nahi....and so on...) time consumption is more (if you are fairly new) and have no idea of what of Windows to GNU/Linux Alternative (that's how I learnt, but that may not be the best or correct way) What you would probably require is to know which are the best sources for this. Among the billion's, here are a few of them which I would list out 1. the distro's (that you are using) website of documentation / how to's page 2. http://www.tldp.org 3. a few articles from http://desktoplinux.com/ 4. http://www.linuxquestions.org finally, 5. en.wikipedia.org (gr8 for some jargons that you might not know) and yes....for all google-ites, there's always http://www.google.co.in (Google India ;) ) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Billy baba resigning [OT yawn]
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Jun '06

21 Jun '06

>> seems like you hate him more than you hate sco . > Not at all. Never met him personally and unlikely to in the forseeable > future. so nothing personal about it. >> we must thank him for proliferating computers and software to the >> masses. > Rubbish taiwanse cloners and chip fabs did that. ..snip... >> it is our job to take this vision in a more cleaner way > Are u joking what vision - robbing other's software, writing illegal > contracts, being the big bully, writing software with more holes than > a sieve. And that is not my concotion - it's recorded in various > court judgements across the world. >> ... to >> make computing more affordable and relilable ... to make lif >> e a lot more easir by improving the interfaces to computers an >> making them more useful to common man without putting any efforts >> in learning... > All of which would have been a lot cheaper and easier and reliable had > it not been for the aforementioned Billybaba and his cohorts' > methods. First of all very well-written JTD! Well let me narrate an incident, a real-life incident when I visited Microsoft Campus in Gachibowli, Hyderabad. It was part of our college tour, and was made possible by one of the seniors who is working in M$. I had a nice debate regarding FOSS, M$, ...., which was mainly initiated by the M$ fellas who could not stop asking which one among us though Billy to evil, thought M$ was bad, etc... During the couse of this debate, suddenly when they were pushed to a corner, they came up with the question: Why would you ever use Linux? Why would you ever use anything other than Winblows? Now what about this? Is this how employees of a company, an American company owned by a good American citizen, behave? What about the philosophies of democracy that Mr. Bush and his cronies are trying to push forward? The whole point is that M$ is not as likeable as you think. Think of a world without Winblows and you would get the logic. The whole idea of Windows making computing easy does not hold. Yeah they have definitely made it a idiot-friendly thing. But that is dangerous in the same way that driving would be a dangerous thing if you made licenses optional. The plethora of viruses and worms that we find everywhere would have been lesser if it was not for that Winblows user who so happily clicks on every mail in the mailbox, and every .exe on the floppy. Cheerio, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux hands on
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Jun '06

21 Jun '06

> I'm looking out hand's on trainning on Linux to clear my few doubt's . Is > there anyone indidival or any trainning institute who can conduct a small > session for me on on Linux hand's on . What doubts? Could you be more explicit? Cheerio, Debarshi

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Kernel panic in ubuntu
by rohit bhute 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

My Ubuntu install threw up a Kernel panic today. The details during start-up were as follows: <snip> [4294671.914000]crc error [4294671.915000]Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) [4294671.915000] </snip> In the GUI startup , the display would freeze at "Loading hardware drivers..." In safe mode, it dropped me to "root@bhute" -but I had no idea what to check and rectify. Incidently, even Win XP restarted automaically. In safe mode, it restarted at the same point i.e. loading drivers. Running Ubuntu's memtest gave me some 310272 errors. And to make me more confused, the system worked all OK after the memtest. Any hints would be welcome. Incidently, Dapper froze around 10 times on my machine in two weeks. Is my RAM or HDD on the death bed? -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org/

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Installing Fedora Core on other's hard disk?
by Roshan 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

Is it ok if I install Fedora Core 5 using my computer on my friend's hard disk drive? Would my friend be able to use the OS once, he plugs it back to his system? My computer configuration is completely different than his --------------------------------- If you don't know something, its always better to learn it and then experiment with components! PLAN THINGS BEFORE EXECUTION! Visit http://www.somaiya.edu You have the ability to change things so that they, not only benefit you but others as well, but you might resist to...think about it! The different distros of GNU/Linux pretty much resemble the different cultures of indians all having the same foundation (the kernel) Use OpenOffice.orgDownload it for windows from http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0/ "Intentions are written with pencil.Commitments are carved on Stones!" - CLINT A. D'SOUZA __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Kernel panic in ubuntu
by Roshan 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

> Sometime on Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 10:04:51AM +0530, > rohit bhute said: > > Running Ubuntu's memtest gave me some 310272 > errors. And to make me > > more confused, the system worked all OK after the > memtest. > > > > Any hints would be welcome. Incidently, Dapper > froze around 10 times > > on my machine in two weeks. Is my RAM or HDD on > the death bed? > > I was also facing same problem, your RAM is the > culprit here. Get a > new one if possible. I have a different story to tell. This was a year ago. I had the same problem, where the system would freeze anytime. Possibly, it your RAM, but, probably, you could try testing your RAM on your friend's computer. Also, observe the amount of time your system works before freezing, for few days. Also, in the BIOS, observe the temperature of CPU and the chassis, before it freezes. My problem had its root in the motherboard. I had tested my RAM, my power supply for faults, and replaced the power supply, after a number of test's at my friend's place. But, it did not solve the problem. Ultimately, I gave my motherboard for repairing and things are normal till now! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Installing Fedora Core on other's hard disk
by Roshan 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

> > On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 08:42:39PM +0000, Dinesh > Joshi wrote: > > > > OP, why can't you install it directly on his PC? He's usually busy during the entire day, and comes back late in the evenings. So, I thought, I would install Fedora for him, initially, but I think, I cannot do that straightaway. I would have to do some modifications in the installation procedure, as stated in the earlier mails to the list. > That reminds me, can the op store the dvd disc as an > ISO 9660 rom in the > hdd and boot the target system from it? I have the 5 CD's of fedora core 5 and I think, the best I can do is give him the CD's or give him the ISO's on his hdd and ask him to install it. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Software - Red hat 10.0
by Balwinder Arora 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

I wanted to know if redhat 10.0 is available freely ... if yes, can any one pass on the link to me.???

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[commerical] workgroup server
by Harsh Busa 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

Dear List I need some help setting up a workgroup server which will typically work as 1) file / print server 2) domain authentication 3) local mail server 4) im server 5) firewall / proxy 6) vpn setup etc and a few other things which we can get into specifics offline we need support for upwards of 1 year along with this. only individuals with a definite services and support model contact me off the list . i m not looking this as a one time "do and disappear" activity. thanks and regards Harsh -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Billy baba resigning [OT yawn]
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

> wait right there. Linus Torvalds isn't responsible for Linux fanatics, > is he? So how can you hold Billy boi responsible for Windoze fanatics? He he... Did you go through what was written in the link you had earlier posted. Well here it is http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html. Gates (or Billy Boi) does sound a bit fanatic. Steve Ballmer's tirade against FLOSS is well known I thought. And yes it does have racist overtones at times: "How can you trust a programmer in China, instead of a ... like Microsoft?" > Microsoft's _major_ audience includes these "idiots" (no offense meant > to windoze users) and I guess nobody, not even the F/OSS community can > create idiot proof softwares. Micosoft can hardly keep up to these > bigger and better "idiots". Hence the proliferation of worms, viruses, > trojans, malware etc... What is the need for idiot proof software? We can do with some more less-idiotic users though. > Basically *nix users aren't the average computer Joe or Jane. And why is it so, when Unix is older than Winblows? Because of the apparent idiot-proof-ness of Winblows, and the South-East Asian pirates. It is interesting to note M$'s take on piracy. Oh yes thanks to Baishampayan for pointing out, Bill Joy wrote vi. :) Regards, Debarshi

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installing opera in linspire
by bombay news 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

Dear all, I am trying to install Opera in linspire. Downloaded Opera (opera_8.54-20060330.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386) but am unable to install this using apt-get. What commands do I give in the "Run Command" box? sk _________________________________________________________________ Fall in Love... Get married! Join FREE! http://www.shaadi.com/ptnr.php?ptnr=msnhottag

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exchange with ms exchange
by Steven Joseph 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

Hi, is there any way to get mail from m$ exchange to kmail. -- Life would have been a lot more easier if we could look at the source code.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Billy baba resigning [OT yawn]
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

> Debarshi, > The amount of energy you are expending in hating microsoft is so huge that > if you'd have started writing some code instead of that, you'd have a OS > much better than MS and Linux combined !! I was doing something like that when this whole discussion popped up on my mailing list. Nothing bad in taking a break though. ;-) Regards, Debarshi

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Re: Installing Fedora Core on other's hard disk?
by Roshan 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

> It's likely that it won't work out of the box. I'd > recommend setting it > up to boot into run level 3 by default. The major > problem would be with > X configuration, so once it boots into run level 3 > on his computer, > reconfigure X with the right display driver, and > switch back to run > level 5. I have no idea how to do this, but I'll find out some documentation, and may be attempt it. > you may want to trim your signature to be just about > 2-3 lines long. Yes. I would. I have "Use my signature" checked, by default, and when I forget to uncheck it before sending it to the list, the "biggie siggi" appears in the mail. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Eben Moglen and Cory Doctorow Videos
by Venkatesh Hariharan 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

At the recently held Red Hat Summit in Nashville, Eben Moglen, General Counsel for the Free Software Foundation, and Chairman of Software Freedom Law Center spoke about software patents. Cory Doctorow, noted science fiction writer, spoke about Digital Rights Management and copyrights. Both these speeches were highly appreciated by the audience. The videos of the same are now at: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Highly recommended! Apart from the videos, there is a whole bunch of news, blogs etc. From the Gnu/Linux Users Group perspective, what may be most relevant are the technical presentations archived at: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/presentations/cos.htm Regards, Venky

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[OT] AIX on Intel.
by Nadeem M. Khan 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

Hi. Is there any way by which I can install IBM AIX on Intel platforms? Maybe a power pc simulator? Google's results were discouraging. I need an AIX test server which I can muck up but dont have a spare pSeries to do so. Regards, NMK.

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[commercial] Hiring GNU/Linux administrators
by TAC Forums 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

Hello, We, www.TheArgonCompany.com , have an opening with the following requirements. Interested candidates can send there resume to jobs(a)theargoncompany.com. Requirements - 6months-1yrs. of experience in GNU/Linux - A basic understanding of DNS, Mail servers, File servers - a fair idea of customer support - Love for GNU/Linux :-) Regards, Boskey Chheda -- TAC Support Team

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e: [ILUG-BOM] Billy baba resigning [OT yawn]
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 19 Jun '06

19 Jun '06

First of all, has anybody on the list seen Revolution OS? It is a small documentary. I think I have a copy so junta can take it from me if required. > Right now they have made a "contribution" of US$30million to Mass. > government to "help" needy students buy M$ malware. Funny they dont > offer it to everybody - only those insisting on Open standards. And > in an attempt to get a future legal handle they are fast racking > their version of XML in two rubber stamp "standards" organisation. During the same visit to M$, they talked about a scheme where low-cost limited edition of their .Net stuff was to be given to colleges for their students' to use. Forgive me for not remembering what 'low-cost limited' exactly meant. But then the employees were very proud of the fact that the Gates Foundation has donated generously for the betterment of AIDS patients and so on. However on being informed that a certain Bram Moolenaar- author of vi, does organize donations for poor children in Uganda the M$ people came up with the "Why at all Linux" thing. Secondly the guys at M$ seem to be extremely satisfied with the fact that most (according to them an overwhelming majority) of the people are using Winblows. That they say is the clinching factor. They are even more pleased to note that most of my class-mates are Windoze lovers, and they are the ones to be tomorrows CEOs. However they do not mind that atleast 60% to 75% of these users use pirated copies. And today's pirates would be tomorrow's CEOs according to them. The thing is proprietary software is a pain in most cases, if not all, and M$ aggressively pursues it. My friends at BARC's Remote Handling and Robotics Division experienced a similar problem RMS had faced at MIT's AI Labs. These fellows at BARC have bought a nice digital compas from Honeywell. The demo program which apparently demonstrates how to operate the thing is a mere EXE and the code is not available. In the absence of it, nobody has got any idea how to program the thing and use it in a robot. BARC I am given to believe is central to India's fundamental R&D and this is how the situation is. The whole impression that people (Winblows users actually) get today is that Windoze is the 'standard' thing, and that GNU/Linux is the real trouble. eg., you can not install Windoze after you put on GNU/Linux, Fedora does not come with MP3 support while Windoze has no problem, etc.. People seem to miss the point that it is Windoze that overwrites the bootloader entries while GNU/Linux appends, that MP3 is patented and M$ pays for it, and so on... Regards, Debarshi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxformat in India
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 18 Jun '06

18 Jun '06

>> if you notice that the average student outside the Mumbai metropolitan >> region spends more than that on fuel alone. > Fuel?? You're certainly talking about a different class of people > here. I (and most of educated India, AFAIK) don't spend on fuel. > Mostly its on bus and train fare ;-). And why do the buses and trains require you to buy the tickets? Only to pay the drivers? I thought they ran on some fuel too. In my opinion Rs 100-Rs150 for a really good quality magazine is not too much. Googling is ok, but having a hard copy still counts. Not everywhere in India do you get good stable Internet connections, and so using the net is still remains a pain for some. And remember the Internet also costs some amount. Lets not confuse a 'good FOSS magazine' with the ones we already have like Digit, PCQ, etc.. In my opinion they often advertise proprietary software that runs on otherwise Free OSes. Hence they do not serve the purpose. Bye, Debarshi

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