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LTSP get struck
by neel s Gurjar 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

hi i have FC4 on Server and i am trying thinclient networking with using LTSP. I could put 4 computers on thin client. For one computer i am getting problem. It has 200Mhz CPU, 32MB RAM, Trident Display. It is booting properly through LAN. It gets IP from DHCP also. Everything works fine upto login screen. at login screen X server cant show display properly. And computer get struck. What should i do ? Please help... Neelesh

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MTNL Triband
by Venkatesh Hariharan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

I just got the MTNL Triband installed on my IBM X40 running RHEL 4WS and it was a snap! Once the hardware was plugged in, all I did was go to the terminal, do a "service network restart" and I was online! The MTNL guy who came to set up my connection had never worked on Linux and said that if he had to set this up on Windows XP he would have to do a whole bunch of configuration. As that old ad goes, "You come a long way, baby!" Venky

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Re: Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

> Well you can start by: > 1. Posting your code > 2. Telling us what error it is flagging > > FYI remember, you cant create a socket to listen on > any of the first > 1024 ports. Only root has the rights to do that. > Though this isnt the > problem in your case. 1. Code snip /*Server code*/ int listeningport=0; System.out.println("Attempting to create a server socket at port: "+listeningport); serversockvar = new ServerSocket(listeningport); //Create a server on any freely available port //(read the api docs and modified this) System.out.println("Server Socket created"); I believe, there is nothing wrong with the code, it creates a server at a free port now, but takes too long around 9-10 mintues 2. The error displayed (now) When I start the client, it tries to establish a connection, but fails indicating, "Connection timed out" > are you converting host to network and network to > host correctly? What am I supposed to do for this, exactly? Everything is running on localhost! ------- /*snip*/ > You can check whether the server is created and > using the port 4000 by > keying > netcat -anlp | grep 4000 Thanks to Apoorva Madam. The server is does start now, (with some modification, mentioned above), but the client does not connect __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Re: Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 15:47, Roshan wrote: > > What is the range of port numbers bind to > different > > applications in Redhat Linux 9.0? > > > > Any command, other than netstat to find out that? > > cat /etc/services This helped; thanks! I am using the port 4000 in socket programming, locally creating a server and client for accessing, but the server program does not seem to create the server, while it does in windows :(... Any ideas? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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[OT] free dns server
by Harshal 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

guys, i am using this mtnl's triband service, and from last few days its dns server is not functioning properly. i was wondering if anyone knows an ip of good dns server on net to whom i can point my machine to look up for.

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Hide headers with command line
by Amit 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi All, Is there any way thru which i can hide my mail headers wen i am sending a mail thru command line i.e telnet <mail server> smtp. I tride RET=full option while giving sender's id but even that is showing ip of mail server. is there any way i can hide complete header of my mail? Rgds AK "I like to walk in the rain so that no one can see me crying" Rgds AK +919819851812

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Mumbai Asterisk User Meet - 29th April 2006
by Mitul Limbani 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi Arun, Quoting "Arun K. Khan" <knura(a)yahoo.com>: > Hi Mitul, > > This is Arun here, we met @ LinuxAsia2006 earlier this year. I am > interested in Asterix but cannot make it on 29th. Is your company an > Asterisk distributor in India? Yes i do remember you :) (oh btw its "Asterisk - *" ... Asterix is cartoon character) It would be great if you can join us, in any case we shall be organizing this every month, so you can join in any time. We are official Digium Hardware reseller, more over asterisk is opensource, free to download just like any other GPL'd software. There is nothing official about it ;) But yes, we are promoting Asterisk in most of the places in India and it would be great if you want to join hands in the effort (especially when India's Teledensity ratio has not reached its desired expectation) > BTW, did not expect you to hijack the "Digital Cert.." thread and create > this thread :) Oh did I? I did a fresh post, more over this is OT, hence put the relevant subject line. If you feel that I hijacked, then I apologize for the same. > Take care, > Arun Khan >> http://asterisk.pbx.in/blogs/asterisk-users-meet-april-2006 Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (R), www.enterux.com

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[OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

back to the thread, two things first: 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast inside TCS ;) We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who are not aware too! Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a perceived convenience (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) and (b) as many people as possible should protest -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! Prasad

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained
by Devdas Bhagat 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

----- Forwarded message from Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> ----- From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 To: linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid Hi. Would you ensure that my email gets to the mailing list? Thank you. -russ linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org writes: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org. > > Received: from pdam.crynwr.com > ([192.203.178.8] helo=ns2.crynwr.com ident=qmailr) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FY7q1-00082w-Ke > for linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:32 +0530 > Received: (qmail 1680 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: from rrcs-72-43-17-50.nys.biz.rr.com (HELO desk.crynwr.com) > (72.43.17.50) > by pdam.crynwr.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO desk.crynwr.com) (127.0.0.1) > by localhost with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: (from nelson@localhost) > by desk.crynwr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OKdg1e029913; > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Message-ID: <17485.14222.211817.868081(a)desk.crynwr.com> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > To: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > Cc: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > In-Reply-To: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > References: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid > X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.203.178.8 > X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nelson(a)desk.crynwr.com > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on cc4.tifr.res.in > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.0.3 > X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) > X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cc4.tifr.res.in) > > Hi. I'm Russell Nelson, a founding member of the OSI board of > directors. I travel to Mumbai from time to time, and I would be > extremely pleased to address you directly on this matter. Please tell > me when is the next Linux-centric conference in Mumbai, and I'll try > to wrangle my way there as a speaker. Hopefully they'll have fixed > the toy train up to Matheran by then. > > Nagarjuna: if you don't see this on the mailing list (because I'm not > subscribed to the list) please do me the courtesy of forwarding it to > the list. > > BCC'ed to the rest of the OSI board. > > Nagarjuna G. writes: > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > > them. > > > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Alas, your example is incorrect. Pine isn't open source, as it > doesn't use an OSI-approved open source license. Neither is scilab. > They both claim that they are open source, but please .... if you want > Open Source Software, look for the OSI-Approved trademark. If you > don't see it, then you should assume that the software is not open source. > > You may take this to be a flaw of the term "Open Source", but do > please remember that Microsoft distributes free software. You know, > free as in Kingfisher. > > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > Nope. The mapping of free software to open source software is one to > one and onto. > > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. > > Please see my blog entry: > http://blog.russnelson.com/opensource/the-price-of-freedom.html > > Still warm off the presses -- I wrote it for you. Custom blogging, in > real time. > > > Still, it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the > > values like freedom. > > We don't, and we don't tell people why either. But I'll let you in on > the secret. Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the > concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of > the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value > of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach > will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept > of freedom. > > I want to be clear here: the 10% of the population who are > intellectuals (which I expect includes most members of glug-bom), are > MOST effectively reached by Richard's advocacy. We need him. We do > not dismiss him. He says that he doesn't need us, and he asks you to > dismiss us by claiming that freedom is not important to us. We prefer > to push the experience of freedom over the concept and term "freedom". > > Shuzan held out his short staff and said "If you call this a short > staff, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a short staff, > you ignore the fact. Now, what do you wish to call it?" > > Experienced any freedom lately? > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com | A computer without Python is > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | like a CPU without memory: > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | it runs, but you can't do > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | anything useful with it. > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi, My comments inline. Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > Prasad wrote: >> back to the thread, two things first: >> >> 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it >> 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital >> certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates >> and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). >> >> We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux >> and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows >> tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but >> as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast >> inside TCS ;) > MCA-21 is a new system that the Department of Company Affaires has > implemented from today. > Under that system, all documents which were earlier submited to them on > paper now needs to be done in digital form. > The forms are there in digital form, which needs to be filled on your PC > / Laptop, then there are buttons that are to be clicked and it takes the > digital signature from the token and adds it to the file. Finally, the > entire document with the signatures (and I believe encrypted) is > uploaded to the MCA-21 server through a portal. > > I do not know, first if the form works in linux > second if the token will be recorgnised from linux (the TCS guys told me > it will - I mentioned that in the OP, but only for basic features.) > Since I know very little about digital certificates, I thought the LUG, > and people like Dr. Nagarjuna will be able to ensure it works properly > and that we dont get locked out. > I will *try* to get TCS-CA put a proper how-to on using the digital certificates on GNU/Linux. The how-to should include information on installing the usb-token, documentation on how to sign/encrypt files using tools available on GNU/Linux. > In addition, TCS is giving some software that will make it easier to > manage the digital signing of documents and to use the digital signature > / digital certificate for all other purposes (other than MCA-21). They > have not demonstrated that software, they just mentioned it. When I > asked the question specifically about linux and mac, they told me that > it has been made on windows as most computers work on windows only. > > If the software works on Linux, that is the best, if it does not, and > there are alternate tools in linux which do the same thing, it is also > acceptable. If the TCS reps and their partners inform people how they > can get such features to work on Linux, it would be an added advantage. > Ofcourse they didnt expect an accountant to come over and ask them about > Linux and drivers....... :-) > > That is my intention of posting the message here. Would even try to contact the MCA-21 team and tell them that there are users looking forward for GNU/Linux support. Prasad >> >> We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor >> lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad >> truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who >> are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. >> The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who >> are not aware too! >> >> Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and >> knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a >> perceived convenience >> (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) >> and (b) as many people as possible should protest >> -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and >> the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. >> >> will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! >> >> >> Prasad >> >> >

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Firefox and Yahoo
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hello All, I happened to visit a yahoo groups site and in the photo album section I could only see blank squares instead of thumbnails. On clicking the photos I get an empty space that resembles the photo size but no photo in it. If I right click on the empty space and select 'view image', it opens a new page and then downloads the image. Same with thumbnails too. On Netscape in Windows, everything shows normally. I checked the page source and its mostly javascript which exists in Linux too so why this behaviour. If anyone else is on any yahoo group that gives album access then please try viewing the album in Firefox. I have enabled java script in firefox and for this test I had enabled java too but still no result. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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5.1 Sound cards under Alsa/Gentoo
by Sriram N 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi all: I have an Audiotrak Prodigy 5.1 LT Card ( known in the ALSA world as ICE1724 (Envy 24 HT/PT). The card has Front, Rear, BS(HP), CW and Digital out connectors for audio. I want to get 5.1 audio to work on Gentoo Linux 2006. Here's what I've configured on kernel 2.6.15: - Alsa enabled (nothing else in the alsa sub menu enabled) - Alsa drivers emerged (1.0.10) - Alsa 1.0.11 drivers installed separately after the 1.0.10 was unmerged. I get audio on only the Front and BS connectors. I don't get audio on the Rear or the CW connectors. I don't have any audio accessory capable of connecting to the digital audio connector. I am about to read the alsa-project site wiki. However, I'm new to 5.1 audio and have some newbit-class questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with using 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards under Linux ? 2. Are there are special settings that you need to do ? 3. Are there any special audio connectors ? 4. I have stereo and mono MP3 files that I wish to play via GStreamer and xmms. What will I have to do to get such audio out of all four audio connectors ? Thanks in advance for all responses. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

What is the range of port numbers bind to different applications in Redhat Linux 9.0? Any command, other than netstat to find out that? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Networking skills...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Can someone help a friend in Belgaum? Networking skills? FN From: Nitin Bilgi <nbbbgm(a)rediffmail.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 ---------------------------------------------------------- Pics from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/popular-views/

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Digital Certificates
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hi Everyone, I attended a lecture at Indian Merchants Chambers yesterday on the new government rule called MCA-21. The new rule provides that all document sumbitted to the Ministry of Company Affaires now needs to be given in digital form only. They will no longer accept physical documents. Further, each of these documents will have to have a digital signature of the persons who were earlier required to sign the physical documents. This is the first step to moving all governement documents to digital form and save huge time and cost of users now wasted in standing in line and submitting documents to the government. The next will be Tax authorities, followed by Excise and Customs. Land Records are expected to be next thereafter. There are 7 companies in India who are authorised to issue digital certificates recorgnised under the Information Technology Act. TCS is one who was present at the seminar and demonstrated the use of the digital certificates. For those who have not used them, these are stored by TCS on USB Tokens, which look like USB Pen drives but are read-only 32KB drives with processors built in. You are supposed to insert in the token in the UCB port and then ask the Online-Form to pick up the digital certificate from the token and add it to the document to submit to the government. These certificates are based on 128 bit encryption and PKI. TCS assured me that it is designed to work both on Linux and Mac in addition to Windows and that they are including the relevant drivers with the token. However, the additional software tools they are providing for automating digital signatures on other documents will work only on Windows. I would like to know if any of you have used the Digital Siganture / Digital Certificates that is being issued under MCA-21 and can confirm that it works properly on Linux. The other providers of Digital Certificates includes MTNL. While TCS is charging Rs. 2075 for a 1 year valid certificate, MTNL is charging Rs. 350. They are sending it to you on email !! Ofcourse, they are doing this only at Malabar Hill Exchange and you have to go personally to their office and they will verify that you are the person whose name is on the form and your address, photo, etc. I do not know much on Digital Certificates. However with this becoming a major part of commercial and business transactions, I hope what the government is doing does not work only on Windows. If necessary, we (or perhaps FSF) will need to initiate a dialog with the government. In the next year, it is estimated that just government requirment will result in over 1 million digital certificates being issued. I think the actual figure will be close to 5 million as more government depatments like Income Tax, Sales Tax, Excise and Customs departments move to "digital documents only" mode. (Just imagine - if every shop keeper needs to file his sales tax returns online and needs a digital certificate to be able to upload the return to the government). It would be very important for us to ensure that Linux gets supported in the process. Regards Saswata

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[Fwd: Would you like to mentor a student paid to contribute to your package?]
by Nagarjuna 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Would you like to mentor a student paid to contribute to your package? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:56:31 -0400 From: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> To: gnu-prog(a)gnu.org The GNU Project is participating in Google's Summer of Code program. (See http://code.google.com/soc/mentorfaq.html for details.) In summary: * Summer of Code 2006 is a program that offers student developers stipends to work on development of free software. * The FSF will be paid $500 per project, too. * We need people to volunteer to mentor these students, and also people to evaluate other ideas that students may suggest. * Payment to the student is contingent upon feedback by the mentor. * There is no requirement that the finished code be included in the package itself, but goal is to get code we want to use. * For FSF-copyrighted GNU packages, we will ask the student to sign the usual copyright assignment before getting paid, to make sure there will be no legal obstacle to using his code. If you are willing to mentor one or more projects, this could be of great use to the GNU Project -- it would introduce new volunteers to your package's code base, get a little funds for the FSF, and enhance the GNU operating system. Before you volunteer to be a mentor, please make sure you can actually spare the time to do the work; having mentors become unresponsive or drop out would be very bad. It is important for projects to be feasible for a good student-level hacker to do in 2 or 3 months; nothing super large. It is ok if you talk with student candidates that you already know are capable, to plan projects with them. That is a good way to produce projects that are really likely to get done, and done well. To volunteer as a mentor, please send email to <summer-of-code(a)gnu.org>. Please describe the student projects you offer to mentor, and for each one, say which GNU package it will enhance. We need to find a "backup mentor" for each project; the backup mentor is someone who will take over in case you become busy, sick, or otherwise unavailable. If you can think of any obvious suggestions for backup mentors for your projects, please mention the suggestions in your mail. (We consider these suggestions are tentative, so you can mention them first, then ask them if they are available.) But if you can't think of anyone, please suggest your project anyway. We will look for a suitable backup mentor. James Youngman <jay(a)gnu.org> will be taking care of accumulating the offers and putting them in our web site, but he could use one or two people to help. If you are willing to help, please write to <summer-of-code(a)gnu.org>. _______________________________________________ GNU Maintainers Announcement List gnu-prog(a)gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-prog . -- -- Dr. Nagarjuna G. Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. Mumbai India. V.N. Purav Marg, Mankhurd, Mumbai, INDIA 400088 http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/Data/Objects/n/nagarjun/viewObject

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 36, Issue 58
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hi, The best solution is to use Synaptic. Synaptic was originally meant to be a front end for apt-get on Debian based systems. I saw it first in Ubuntu. However it has been ported for RPM based distributions too. Atleast I had used it myself, with great satisfaction in Fodera Core 2, although I have not tried it out on Fedora Core 5 yet. However I read that support for apt-get would be removed in later releases of Fedora Core. You can get the Fedora Core 5 RPM at http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/synaptic/. If anybody wants I have the tarball too, and can mail it to you individually. Hope it helped, Debarshi

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apt-get trouble
by Puneet Lakhina 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

hi all, I am trying to install totem using apt-get on a RH Linux 9 machine $uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.18-14 #1 Wed Sep 4 13:35:50 EDT 2002 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I have done $apt-get update $apt-get upgrade $apt-get dist-upgrade beofere doing $apt-get install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: totem: Depends: gnome-desktop (>= 2.1.0) but 2.0.6-4 is to be installed Depends: libXrandr.so.2 but it is not installable Depends: libXv.so.1 but it is not installable Depends: libgnome-desktop-2.so.2 but it is not installable Depends: libxine.so.1 Depends: xine-lib (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages What could be the problem. I did the samething on a diff machine and it worked fine. -- Puneet

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Adding Software in FC5
by Dinesh 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hi, I have installed FC5 on my PC in standard form. Now If I want to to add more software from Installation CDs whenever I use Add/ Remove Software it always check for Internet Connection And If its there then only it allow me to add new software. There is any way using which without internet connection also I can use this feature. Dinesh RHCE, CCNA, MCP+I 9869032205 --------------------------------------------- Free POP3 Email from www.Gawab.com Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!!

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Please help me with my decision to purchase a Notebook.
by PenguinPuPPy 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hello list. Can anybody please help me with my decision to purchase a Notebook. After reading the previous messages i am a bit puzzled .I was planning to go for Dell Inspiron duo core Laptop which comes for a fair price i.e 799$ regarding these Duo Cores How are the CPU's any reviews or personal experience? i have seen various websites giving good reviews but it would be great if some one who has used it can guide me though. Also that gees without saying that these laptops should be LINUX compatable.Any help will be appreciated. Thanks -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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[OT] OSS Idea.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hello All, This is with reference to the earlier discussions on OSS philosophy and I have started a new thread for an idea to promote OSS production in India. For the discussion, free OSS here will be refered to as free (as in freedom) software. Free software is generally looked upon as a conmmunity effort with little monetory gains for the programmer himself. Those who install and setup systems make money on the installation but the programmer may generally get little. Most of the training institutes too train students on the commercial closed source platforms as thats where they make most money. Free software creation is still not very popular in India due to lesser econimic gains for the programmer. IMHO, free software can commercially sustain itself only if its creation is sponsored in a way thats equivalent to what commercial software creation gets. This sponsorship can come directly from corporates and every other imaginable commercial establishments that make use of computers. Now the question that comes up is why will they sponsor free software creation? What do they get or benefit in return for their huge donations? As an incentive, the donors can be provided free tech support right from installation to maintainence in a limitted way and relative to the amount of donation. The incentives can also include free writing of drivers for special needs. The programmers are paid market rates for writing the softwares and the industry and commerce benefits by getting free ( as in beer and freedom ) software thats stable, secure and robust. This software can be posted on websites for anyone and everyone to freely download and use. No one will ever have to use commercial or pirated software and once the platform gains popularity, even institutes will offer courses on oss platform. The commercial software makers too will be forced to create software for open free data formats. Device makers too will have to provide drivers for the oss platform. As a heavily populated country, our industry is huge and very diverse and even a few thousand rupees from the majority can be enough to sustain foss growth. In return, they cut down their heavy software expenditure. The FSF India or such organisations can set guidelines for creating and running this model so that there are minimum trouble areas and the system runs smoothly. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

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[OT] XP on Mac (interesting comment)
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hello All, Here is an interesting link on the new development of XP being installed on Apple macs that use Intel chipsets. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12442563/site/newsweek/ "Ultimately, Apple isn't about supporting Windows—it's about trying to steal customers from Windows. The company known for iPod now knows what it's like to imbibe the sweet wine of high market share, and would love a taste of that for its flagship operating system (Macs currently comprise about 4 percent of the PC market). "The thing we market is our innovation and their lack of innovation," says Schiller of that other realm. "At the end of the day there's a place for PC makers who are innovative. And there's a place for people who make boring boxes for the corporate world." Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Michael Tiemann's comments on "OSS Philosophy Explained"
by Venkatesh Hariharan 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

I took the liberty of forwarding Nagarjuna's post, "OSS Philosophy Explained" to Michael Tiemann, President of Open Source Initiative (www.opensource.org) and here is his reply. For those who may have missed the original post, the same is included at the end of Tiemann's mail for reference purposes. Regards, Venky ===== Michael Tiemann wrote: Thanks for this. My response would be as follows. Feel free to publish in India if you wish. When I began writing free software in 1987, there were really only two major projects that offered enough freedom for me to even become a contributor: the GNU Project and the project at UC Berkeley to create a fully unencumbered version of Unix using a BSD-style license. To me, the GNU project was preferable because the GPL promised me that I would never be separated from my work, whereas the BSD license made it possible for some other entity to adopt my changes, improve them, and then keep them from me. I saw that as a huge problem, and so I began writing GNU software. At an industry event earlier this year I sat at a table with Greg Stein (Apache contributor) and Marten Mickos (MySQL CEO). I listened with amusement, and then frustration, as Greg tirelessly argued that it's OK for people to take his work, improve it, and then never give it back, while Marten argued the position that I came to nearly 20 years ago. But the fact that this argument can rage for so long speaks to a deeper truth: different people have different motivations and different value systems. What is better: to declare the Apache project null and void because it permits people to make it into a proprietary product (should they choose to do so), or to recognize that the world is a better place because so many people have the freedom to read, modify, and share Apache source code? I realize that as distributed, Apache software is both free software and open source software, so this is not the precise distinction as between non-free software like pine and free software like emacs. But it also shows that even within software that delivers the functional freedom of free software, different value systems among developers lead to different licensing preferences. The OSI chose to create a tent larger than the free software tent. We accepted non-free licenses because we wanted to give voice to people writing software and sharing source code who did so for reasons other than moral freedom. Is it wrong to accept works that strive for technical excellence independent of social agendas? As a scientist and an engineer (BS CSE, University of Pennsylvania 1986) I have to say no: the scientific method is, and must be independent from all moral frameworks. Does this make science immoral or amoral? Certainly there are those who apply or ignore science in immoral ways. But science itself is concerned with evidence and falsification, not morals. Open Source allows for software to be independent from freedom, while at the same time offering the kind of freedom that comes from independence. My personal preference, which has not changed in nearly 20 years, is the GNU General Public License. I like it for personal reasons. I like it for social reasons. I think it's a great license for protecting legitimate business interests. But I don't like it enough to use it as a battering ram against all other possible licensing models. And I think that the Open Source Initiative has helped to foster a far richer software environment by creating a larger tent in which more developers can experiment with and find their own best licensing models and software projects. On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 10:24 +0530, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Here is a thread from the "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" that > you may find interesting. > > FYI, the terms, "swatantra/mukta/ajadi" mean freedom in Indian > languages. > > Venky > > > > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:30:12 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > them. > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Take 'Pine', an email client, releases source code, you can modify the > sources, but can't distribute the changes you make according to pine > license. Such a software is open source according to OSI. So, > opening is not enough, we need the freedom to distribute the changes > we make. Similarly 'scilab', a scientific application, is open source > but not a <free> software. > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > However, the number of open source applications that are not free > software is very very tiny. So, it is also correct to say MOST open > source applications are free software. Count the number of > applications, not the number of licenses, to get the correct inclusion > relation between them. If, OSI excludes those few applications that do > not give the freedom to distribute the changes, then all <free> > software is open source and vice versa. FSF should not change its > stand is very clear, if you see how carefully the <free> software is > defined. OSI's definition is left vague. May be business thrives by > being vague. Let us ask OSI to modify their license listing policy. > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. But, as I told you > MOST open source applications do give you the freedom anyway. Still, > it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the values like > freedom. They continue to fetch contracts from govt and companies by > arguing that oss is economical. Remember, they said they wanted to > eliminate precisely this problem when they chose 'open' in place of > 'free'. Did they succeed in clarifying? Certainly not. > > Open source adherents talk of total cost of ownership, while <free> > software people say freedom is always expensive for we need to protect > it constantly. That is why I always end my speach with: "Run for > freedom even if it is expensive!" In order to sustain freedom we need > to constantly work against the tendencies that try to take away our > freedom. Metaphorically, a system must do work to maintain its > stability, other wise the system will tend to a state of higher > entropy. <Free> software community is an open system, like a living > organism, takes feed from the environment and sustains itself by > working against non-free software and those who promote them. > > I agree with the interpretation that <free> software is a social, > cultural movement with wider implications to the future of human > society. open source movement, if at all it is, emphasizes technology > and a development model. I have no disagreements with their > development model. > > If only OSI mends their licensing list policy, the differences between > <free> and open source community will become thinner, if not disappear. > > Nagarjuna >

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qmail send
by Hozefa Motiwala 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hi ! i have installed qmail in linux box ,having about 20 pop accounts. qmail picks up email from one catchall account at another location and distributes emails in the respective Maildir(s) .what i need is to save all the out going email messages from all the pop users, in the email server , for backup of the messages. thanks Hozefa.

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Problem X-server in LTSP
by neel s Gurjar 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Hi I have FC-4 Server. I have done thinclient network for three PCs. I have problem with monitor resolution. Clients boot from network and it comes to login screen. But X display gets flickr on some b/w monitors. Display gets ok on color monitor but we cannot use color monitor as we dont have it. I think coz of monitor refres rate it is happening. Some b/w monitors give display ok. Resolution is 800x600. 1. How can i define resolution and monitor refresh rate for thin clients in LTSP ? please reply neelesh

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