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Re: [ILUG-BOM] VoIP data transfer rates.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

On Monday 10 October 2005 14:24, Abhishek Daga wrote: > what does 1 min of VoIP usage translate into in terms of data > transfer? which codec? they vary from 2.15Kbps (speex codec) to 64Kbps ( G722 codec). You would be paying roughly one unit per 3300 secs ~ one unit per 125 secs. This does not include protocol overheads. A unit is Rs1.20 per MB as per MTNL rates. > > I am trying to work out the total cost of a VoIP service. > Got the call rates but one component is the bandwidth usage. > Since it works well with 256kbps and above, and both VSNL and MTNL > do not have unlimited plans for 256 kb/s and above therefore the > question. VSNL has an unlimited 128kbps plan for Rs.24000 p.a. which is good enough for voip. rgds jtd

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FYI: [commercial] IBM developerWorks: Linux technical briefing
by Philip Tellis 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

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VoIP data transfer rates.
by Abhishek Daga 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

what does 1 min of VoIP usage translate into in terms of data transfer? I am trying to work out the total cost of a VoIP service. Got the call rates but one component is the bandwidth usage. Since it works well with 256kbps and above, and both VSNL and MTNL do not have unlimited plans for 256 kb/s and above therefore the question. Ignorance is Strength. What you don't know cannot hurt you. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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Compiling Kernel source on debian system
by raykar＠hathway.com 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Dear All, Can I compile kernel source downloaded from http://www.kernel.org/ to build kernel image for debian? Is this source to be debianised in some way before compiling? Regards, Nilesh Raykar

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MTNL Triband
by Satish Alwani 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

You can have the modem setup to logoff the pppoe when the connection is not in use for in excess of 5 minutes. >>Once u disable your network u have no access to the modem (i dont >>use the usb connection).

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[off topic] LPIC Book needed
by Lintech 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Does any one have a used Linux Professional Institute book. I am willing to buy it. Email me off the list. LPIC - 1 : Exams 101 and 102

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MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Picked up the Dlink dsl modem from MTNL after infinite number of calls to all an sundry at gandhinagar and vikhroli (w) exchanges. According to an engineer Mr. Nullamuttu they have a problem with supplies and configuration of modem. Connected to an old box powered it up, changed a couple of passwords and it was up and running. Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. downloaded some stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the phone line away from the UPS to add a few kbps. So far so good. rgds jtd

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how to download data to USB stick
by hemendra jain 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi Friends, I want to download certain files/data onto my USB mem. device. What necessary things I shd do ? Rgds, Jain

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how to download data to USB stick
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Just put the usb drive and then type tail /var/log/messages which will have the message that a new USB drive has been detected and its name is /dev/xyz you can then give command #mount -t vfat /dev/xyz /folder/whereUwant_ur_USB $ cd /folder $ cp * /home/user1/ will copy all the things from USB to the users home directory Mahesh Deshpande Tel 09322034838

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Lord of the Code............
by Gaurav Mishra 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi all, Could anyone suggest me some projects for the lord of code, purely based on pyqt......., any suggestions will be helpful, any remarks won`t .. :) -- "Smooth Sea Never makes a Skilled Mariner" Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.modblog.com

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Alan Cox Lifetime Achievement Award
by Venkatesh Hariharan 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Alan Cox, sometime maintainer of the Linux Kernel and well-known open source advocate, picked up a lifetime achievement award at the LinuxWorld awards in London on Wednesday night. Picking up the award in front of a rapturous crowd, Cox stressed the strength of open source development. "Open source works because we all walk the path together," Cox said. "Whether the path is hard or easy, if you have OK people at your back anybody can walk any path." http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39226539,00.htm

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 19:57, Satish Alwani wrote: > You can actually disable the net connection, by removing the > route.. this works on windows and linux > in windows... removing the route will close the connection to the > modem That will only disable / prevent your box from connecting to the internet akin to removing the lan cable from the modem. The "modem" stays connected and logged in to mtnl. Hence it mtnl (in their infinite wisdom) will continue to bill u during non billing hours. > and you can disable the pppoe connection from the modem when > not in use in linux.. ifdown the eth interface and disable the > pppoe connection from the modem when not in use Once u disable your network u have no access to the modem (i dont use the usb connection). rgds jtd

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] clarification
by Vickram Crishna 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

At 7:51 PM +0530 6/10/05, Hardik Dalwadi wrote: >On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:11 PM, Guru prasath wrote: >>> Might be Linux, Apache, MySQL Perl/Python/PHP ;) >>> >>>> Anurag >> >> >> This is correct. >> >Might be Linux Animation Movie Player. ;) >Chech this link <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP> A LAMP whose light is murky.....? -- Vickram

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solution for connectivity
by Ramang G 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Dear All, We have 30 branch offices situated in the radius of 150kms. we plan to connect to all the branches (have 2 pcs) for file transfer. what will be best option for connection all the branches to our Head office. All the branch offices have a phone connection and dialup modem. Will PPTP will be of use? or any other VPN is of use? regards, Raman. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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MTNL Triband
by Satish Alwani 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

You can actually disable the net connection, by removing the route.. this works on windows and linux in windows... removing the route will close the connection to the modem and you can disable the pppoe connection from the modem when not in use in linux.. ifdown the eth interface and disable the pppoe connection from the modem when not in use Satish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 15:26, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > >Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. > > downloaded some stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the > > phone line away from the > > Don't you mean 20-30kbps ? if not which plan and what medication > is your machine on :) 25 to 27 KBps (Kilo Bytes / sec) which translates to 26*8 kbps (kilo bits / sec). > > Also since you have to switch on and off the modem, can it be > automated to login at say 12:15 and log out before 8 for the NUbies > ? Gishu Can be done with some telnet scripts which will make the modem reboot. But u cant switch it off without putting in some hardware btwn the modem psu and the modem. Will be doing it in the next few days (particularly after reading the billing nightmares). Will keep all posted. Today the register.mtnl.net.in site is down. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] solution for connectivity
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 15:01, Ramang G wrote: > Dear All, > > We have 30 branch offices situated in the radius of > 150kms. we plan to connect to all the branches (have 2 > pcs) for file transfer. what will be best option for > connection all the branches to our Head office. All > the branch offices have a phone connection and dialup > modem. > > Will PPTP will be of use? or any other VPN is of use? PPTP is about as secure as a lock with attached key. Use a proper vpn like freeswan. Ofcourse on a dialup internet connection u can have better speed with a bicycle. BTW what exactly are u trying to achiev. Alternately u can have a ras with multiple input lines and have your branches dial in. Will give u speeds of 9600 bps. Ok for trivial work. The minimal setup u require is 64kbps isdn lines. rgds jtd

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clarification
by Ramang G 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Hi all, Can I know the difference between Dynamic web page and Static web page? regards, Ram __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

>Ran the broadband test program which failed to complete. downloaded some >stuff speed is around 200kbps. I must move the phone line away from the Don't you mean 20-30kbps ? if not which plan and what medication is your machine on :) Also since you have to switch on and off the modem, can it be automated to login at say 12:15 and log out before 8 for the NUbies ? Gishu

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Fetchmail Multiple copy
by Ramang G 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Dear All, I am running Red Hat Fedora Core 4. We have a pop server in which aliases is enabled, Using fetchmail we download mails from single real account say "general" and distribute to users locally. I use Postfix as my MTA with default config. My fetchmail config below poll xyz.com proto pop3 localdomains test.linux.com no dns envelope "Delivered-To" user "general" password "xxx" is * here it works fine, but when I mark copy to other users, they get multiple copies of mail. How do i solve this issue? thanks in advance, Raman. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 13:44, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > >> Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank > >> graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. > > > >i sometimes wonder on whose side you are :-) Ahem! i am not sure either. After all according to some learned scientists we are (I am) mostly not consious. > > He's against all the profit monging capitalist swines ;) Actually i am against all the lies that go into slick marketing. Making fat profits does not make much difference as long as all the profits are kept in circulation. If turn around time was zero and there are no currency barriers u would spend your profit (loss) the instant u earned it. Transiting from an economy of infinite shortages to one of infinite surpluses is anthema to current corporations. And who cares if a few irritants like morals, individual rights etc are stomped upon. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

>> Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank >> graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. >i sometimes wonder on whose side you are :-) He's against all the profit monging capitalist swines ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 06 Oct 2005 9:32 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > You do get exactly the above - a formal warranty for fixing bugs > > that can be reproduced by a well defined set of conditions - when > > you purchase hardware & software from good vendors.And you fix > > the cpu-ram-mobo-whatever problem by making customised products > > defined to do just what u specified. People who need such things > > - petrochem, pharma industry, defence, medical electronics - pay > > fat sums for the privelege. > > ahh. this is what i mean. Why cant a quality conscious team > developing a foss app aspire to this? Just because some companies > give crappy warranties that warranty nothing it doesnt mean that > open source developers should follow suit. Not at all. The opensource developer is giving "everbody" an opportunity to define his conditions and warranty the software, mundanely referred to as SLAs and AMCs :-). You could test some combo, warranty it and sell it. M$ is desperately trying to do the same with their stuff. The poor sods who plugged M$ crap to businesses will now be cut out of the loop, cause only M$ can provide fixes. Ditto (almost) for RH / Novell / IBM / HP. > > ppl would be willing to pay fat sums to us too for the priveledge. Bulls eye. RH / Suse / IBM are laughing all the way to the bank graciously accepting the aforementioned fat sums. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Software Liabilities.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

On Wednesday 05 October 2005 21:19, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 05/10/05 17:25 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 Oct 2005 5:08 pm, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > > > Go ahead. Software developers will issue warranties only in > > > cases where they know and control the entire state of program > > > execution. You can't complain if a car refuses to run under > > > water and it was never advertised as doing so. If it fails > > > under a set of controlled conditions, the manufacturer is > > > liable. Multitasking operating systems just aren't controlled > > > environments. > > > > spose i gave a warrantee like: warranteed to work with > > > > os distro x version y > > apache version x > > python version x > > wxpython version x > > No. You have to guarantee exactly what is running on the CPU. And > you need the exact same model of CPU. If you CPU switches registers > too early, too late, has a few cycles more, the guarantee is void. > You would want something like kernel version x.y.z, glibc a.b.c, > apache version x with compile time flags C,O,M,P.I,L,E running with > priority X and every file matching MD5 hashes...., and running on > CPU <foo> over motherboard <bar> with hard disk model M from vendor > v with firmware version F.v, etc running no other programs > (including interactive shells)... > > > and that the defect complained off should be demonstrated on my > > box with the above setup? (this is just a rough idea, to be > > refined before we issue the GPW) > > This is about what you get currently. If a bug can be reproduced, > it can be fixed. Just no formal warranties. You do get exactly the above - a formal warranty for fixing bugs that can be reproduced by a well defined set of conditions - when you purchase hardware & software from good vendors.And you fix the cpu-ram-mobo-whatever problem by making customised products defined to do just what u specified. People who need such things - petrochem, pharma industry, defence, medical electronics - pay fat sums for the privelege. Now try fixing your problem running some closed program on your defined-to-the-last-solder-joint-hardware. Even M$ gives you the source for windows CE - even a mad man wont touch it otherwise. Which only goes to show how much faith they have in the drivel they dish out in their ads and PR.Libre software makes no assumptions and tells u point blank. I dont see a problem with that. The author of the bbc article is cunning (or clueless ?), while pretending to take issue with all software merrily goes on to make idiotic pronouncements about libre software which truthfully states facts. Someone gifts u a pen and says it's great for signing. You sign a check without enough dough in the bank and get clobbered in court. So sue the pen gifter for inducing you to sign checks without educating you in law, commerce, economics etc. fater all he told u it's great for signing. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

*snip* Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 64 bit linux with max device compatibility >1.What 64bit architecture are you on? (AMD or INTEL). AMD Sempron 2500+ >2.What kind of HDD are you using (SATA or IDE) IDE >3.What OS are you looking for a 64bit or a 32bit OS (64bit processors are >compatable with 32bit OS's). Actually a Linux OS that runs with all my devices (dual boot with win2k) >4.Do you have a DVDRom? Yup. but on another machine. I tried getting Knoppix (smaller download) yesterday from http://www.applia.fr/contents/knoppix64.html. But the download links don't work

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