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Re: [Commercial]Wanted Linux Hacker
by Rajesh Rajani 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Hi all, I guess we are all going off on the wrong foot here. If Anil wants someone to hack into a linux box which is said to be proprietory, it seems that he is the wronged party since he did not recieve the source along with the binary as per the GPL. Linux can be as proprietory or as open as you want. It just depends on to whom you distribute the binaries. If you don't distribute, then you can do whatever you want with the sources without giving it out to anyone. Anyway, from what I see about Anil's requests, he wants someone to hack into a linux box and install some software. This may or may not involve writing any software. It may be more a question of finding out weaknesses in the linux distribution on the box and exploiting them. Doesn't look like any GPL is being violated here though the ethics may be questionable. Just my $0.02. Regards, Rajesh

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First Americas Social Forum
by Kapil Karekar 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

The 1st Americas Social Forum (ASF) was held in Quito, Equador from 25th to 30th July. The ASF is part of the World Social Forum (WSF), which was initiated in 2001 and has become the world’s largest venue for NGOs and individuals who are critical of the current state of the world. The slogan of ASF was "Another World is Possible". This slogan has drawn over 10,000 people from more than 45 countries to take part in conferences, seminars, workshops, and cultural events. Globalization, the privatization of water, and communication rights in the information society were some of the primary issues being discussed. Environmentalists, members of sexual minorities, trade unionists, grassroots community activists and students formed part of the mosaic of expressions of civil society drawn to Quito from the entire southern Americas. The ASF also enabled to assess the imposition of a neo-liberal model of globalisation by means of free trade agreements and the installation of U.S. military bases in Latin America. http://libretech.com/?q=node/view/6 -- Kapil Karekar Norrix Associates (http://www.norrix.com) Reachable at: kapil {at} hipatia.info Readable at: http://www.libretech.com Audible at: (91)(22)2867 7305

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Re: Tolerance levels
by Linuxer Lin 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

> ATTACHMENT part 3.7 message/rfc822 From: Philip Tellis Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] tolerance levels Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:21:43 +0530 (IST) To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" Interesting how everyone who agreed that we should be more tolerant broke the list rules while doing that. :) Philip (the grouchy old man) Tellis -- Good old Dame Fortune. You can _depend_ on her. (The Truth) Dear Linuxers, Reminds me of an anecdote reproduced verbatim here. "When the company I worked for had an employee-suggestion competition, I told my staff to submit entries that would save money for the firm. The winner was a man in my department who suggested we post corporate memos on bulletin boards, instead of printing 100 individual copies for distribution. He got a mug with the company logo and ten shares of stock. And a memo announcing the prize went out to 100 people" Is this what we are seeing here too? Regards, Linuxer. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

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Fw: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels
by K Ravishekar 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Hi...Being a newbie myself I agree with Trevor and Vijay and I believe this will only result in a larger Linux Community... Regards Ravishekar ----- Original Message ----- From: Vijaya Rama Raju Alluru <vijay.alluru(a)gmail.com> To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels > Hi > > > culture. The sooner > > the newbies learn the better. Everyone on this group was a newbie once > > remember..... > > In my experience, a newbie joins a list to get some problem solved. He > is more concerned about the problem than the etiqutte. I agree this is > not an excuse. But can we not help him without making him feel sorry > for asking a question. > I am with Trevor on this one. More newbie friendly. > > Regards, > Vijay > MPIT 2 (N/W specialization), Symbiosis Center for IT, www.scit.edu > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/04

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Tolerance Levels
by yayati singh 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Quoting from Linux Advocacy-HOWTO http://www.datasync.com/~rogerspl/Advocacy-HOWTO-5.html Try to respond to one ``newbie'' posting each week. Seek out the tough questions, you may be the only one to respond and you may learn something in the process. However, if you aren't confident that you can respond with the correct answer, find someone that can. Regards Yayati.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Vickram Crishna 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

>Amish Munshi <amish_munshi(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >__________ > >On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 12:01 +0530, Rishi wrote: > >> I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you >guys (moderators) > > > >I know that my reason is not practical, but on paper this stays true. >>""""Why should all of us user servers located in US to send and receive >>mails? If we have a mailing list mail server located in India, we live >>in India, and our personal mail servers (hopefully) are in India. Why > >should we waste international bandwidth on this?""" >> >More important, even if you have indian servers and an indian ISP, >you use international bandwidth. Last I checked a month ago, no ISP >in india provided interconnect to each other. So, you use siffy at >home to connect to vsnl email accounts at bom4 server in mumbai, >your data goes through some gateway in USA bcause vsnl and siffy >refuse to interconnect. > >I don't know whose fault it is, but I have been told govt is >planning to force large ISPs to interconnect here. This is discussed extensively on another list (exchinnet at yahoogroups). Several interested independent persons campaigned strongly for an 'exchange' (the facility that handles such a task - google for 'IX' if you would like to learn about this) and to the total dismay of all, the ISPs complicitly handed over the job to GoI, which later set up NIXI in Delhi and Mumbai. Unfortunately, NIXI is almost completely underutilised, mainly because its terms and conditions for interconnection are perverse and unrealistic. The result is the major ISPs, several of whom have created their own international bandwidth, do not use NIXI, and it is too expensive and too much hard work for the small ISPs (assuming there are any left), because a little professional networking skill is needed for their admins, who mostly don't exist at any real level of competence. I cannot see any reason why the government should 'force' anyone to do anything these days. It has consistently hogged tasks that it had no business to get into over the years, probably because when they succeed (and even when they don't: who looks once the ribbon cutting is over?) the politicians look good and the bureaucrats are given shiny awards for their dedicated years of spouting Sanskrit slokas. If the exchange is run on a professional basis then not only mail but even mirrors will come up fast here, saving uncountable millions of bucks in international bandwidth now being wasted on pointless shuttling up and down of packets that need never have hit those circuits. What the government needs to do is ensure that the playing fields are as level as possible for all kinds of participants, not only MNCs or conglomerates with cross interests in a number of media plays. Sadly, even the smaller ISPs have not acted to rectify this situation, because (and this is my opinion, Devdas - who also was active on exchinnet - is in a far better position to comment) the best thing to do was set up an alternative to NIXI. They didn't do it two years ago, and I doubt they will now, when they are even more squeezed on revenues. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Amish Munshi <amish_munshi(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: __________ >On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 12:01 +0530, Rishi wrote: >> Hi Guys (Moderators) >> >> I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys (moderators) >> consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when >> it is officially release it bug free? > >I know that my reason is not practical, but on paper this stays true. >""""Why should all of us user servers located in US to send and receive >mails? If we have a mailing list mail server located in India, we live >in India, and our personal mail servers (hopefully) are in India. Why >should we waste international bandwidth on this?""" > ha ! Here is the catch and joke. First indian servers are expensive. Due to high local bandwidth costs, servers in india cost 3 times of that in USA. More important, even if you have indian servers and an indian ISP, you use international bandwidth. Last I checked a month ago, no ISP in india provided interconnect to each other. So, you use siffy at home to connect to vsnl email accounts at bom4 server in mumbai, your data goes through some gateway in USA bcause vsnl and siffy refuse to interconnect. I don't know whose fault it is, but I have been told govt is planning to force large ISPs to interconnect here. Regards saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Post Installation Probs about RH9.0
by Vinayak Hegde 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:16:55 +0530, Ivan Bayross <ivanbayross(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > Hi Vinayak, > > Just thought I'd add my two paise, I use RH extensively, if all else fails I'd be glad to have you across (or perhaps to come across) to help, if you are close by 9i.e. not too far away). My office is at Vile Parle (East) and I stay at Santacruz (West). RH 9 is a great product and I've been using it for quite a while. RH9 is a good product no doubt. Unfortunately I no longer live in Mumbai.( I am based in Bangalore). > Could I have some generic info: > Processor used, Maximum RAM, HDD size, Type of sound card, built in on the M'board or a separate plugin card? I have used RH9 and other distros on a variety of hardware, the only two notable hardware /chipsets which gave problems were a Winmodem(s/w based modems) and the infamous SiS 6215 card. (I know many Linuxers have not so fond memories of both of these :D). > Regarding, The cablewala, what windows based s/w are you currently using ? If I've an idea then I could make an ntelligent guess on what could be used on RH9 Mention the cable internet provider and the windows based software they use. There are many people on this list who have got it working without any problems. They should be able to help you. > If you like visit my web site www<dot>ivanbayross<dot>com I have a downloads section in which there is a whole lot of doucmentation on how to connect a dialup to the NET via Linux. I would like to find out it you found it to be useful. > Ivan If you have written any documentation on your own consider submitting it to tldp.org (howtos/guides) and or linuxgazette.net so a lot other people can benefit from it. Last but not the least I did not ask the question but answered it. So you replied to the wrong mail. :D > > Absolutely NEW to Linux, I recently installed RH9.0 I also couldnt configure the Internet access wizard 4 dial-up access. > > If I wish access Internet thru Cable system how do I configure it coz our Cableman doesnt seem to know about it. All help shall be highly appreciated. Thx in advn. > -------------------- > > RH9 did not ship with mp3 plugin due to patent concerns. get the plugin here. > http://havardk.xmms.org/dist/xmms-1.2.7-rh8-rh9-rpm/ > > > You can use kppp to configure dial up access.

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Re: Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Rajesh Rajani 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Hi Rishi, >I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys >(moderators) >consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when >it is officially release it bug free? Do you know if it has the same facilities as this "MAILING" list. It is very convenient to write mails from my mail client rather than online on some website. Regards, Rajesh

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Microsoft says Linux, hmm, I need to worry!
by Amish Munshi 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Greetings, Are we now wasting time thinking about what Microsoft thinks about GNU/Linux, is it time for us to ignore Microsoft? Or is it still a little early still? Find out here: Some business intelligence about Microsoft and Linux from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5614334/ or http://www.forbes.com/businesstech/2004/08/05/cx_js_0805msft.html I have high lighted some information on MS opinion and Novell related info for you how like to get the essence of this. Also see how Microsoft message about Linux has changed: http://forbes.com/2004/08/04/cx_js_microsoftslide.html? Amish.

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Needed Qmail for Redhat linux 9.0
by Anand Pandurang Shelake 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi, Can anybody help me with Qmail and its installation, configuration for Redhat Linux 9.0. As i searched the google but not able to download qmail. Regds, Anand Shelake

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Using Google Groups 2 for ILUG Mailing List?
by Rishi 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi Guys (Moderators) I know Google Groups 2 is in beta right now... but would you guys (moderators) consider moving this ILUG Mailing list from your site to Google Groups when it is officially release it bug free? Or do you feel since they have not licensed their software with the GNU GPL like MailMan, you would not? Regards Rishi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mono VGA Monitor under Linux
by Chirag Wazir 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi Ajit, > Under Linux with those same settings we get a screen > that leaves an empty area on the top and bottom i.e. > screen display is not full screen. ..... > Can we do the some settings (software / hardware / cable) > to get fullscreen under Linux with a Mono VGA monitor.... Most distros include a utility called xvidtune. Start up X and run this - it allows you to change the monitor timings that affect the size and position of the display area. Once you have adjusted things to satisfaction, xvidtune can save the settings to your X config file so that they are used the next time you start X. Note that the program has a warning that fiddling can damage your monitor, but as long as you change one setting at a time in small increments you should be fine - I've used it plenty of times & it's never blown up a monitor for me yet :-) Always keep in mind that you can kill an X session and get back to the prompt in an emergency by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

quasi <quasiabhi(a)softhome.net> wrote: __________ >Saswata spake thusly: > >> The mail was marked as commercial. It was written commercial in >> brackets, but at end of mail instead of the begining. I think a >> private warning would have made more sense here as far as that point >> goes. > >I agree think location should not matter -- but the square brackets >and the caps should be preserved. This is for the sake of those who >filter. Even though I wonder who filters. All I am trying to say is that it was probably an honest mistake that he didn't realise he put round in place of square brackets. regarda saswata > >-- >quasi > >Utopia Unlimited! > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels
by gnurpreet＠softhome.net 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

>Last but not the least advocacy is a part of the culture and not the >only motive of this group. >We are not missionaries trying to spread any kind of religion but >trying to have fun and >help others in this process. I would say that all of us have gained something from the community. in terms of skills, in terms of technical help, in terms of software that we can use - "freely" I have a feeling that we have to give something back to the community. i am incapable of giving it back in terms of code, thus i give it back by spreading the word across. Thus for me, I have a specific goal wrt. FLOSS ie. increase the user base. I feel obliged to be newbie friendly thus. others may have a different opinion, with due respects... Since we clearly have two catagories of people regardign their opinion about being newbie friendly, why dont we have two seprate lists. 1. the newbie lists - the person who joins this list is expected to be tolerant enuff to entertain all types of stupid sounding questions form newbies. this shall be a lil less strict. 2. the general list - this list is used as a regular collaboration medium for the gnu/linux community in and around bombay. This way the posting of theselists can come to two diff folders in your inbox, and u can assign a time of the day(say15 mins in a good mood) to answering newbies. whereas your regular collaboration with your gnu/linux mates stays undisturbed from the crap of a few newbies. whats say? gurpreet ------------------------------------ GNUrpreet Singh MPIT 1 (Nw specialization) Symbiosis Center for IT www.scit.edu

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Fedora Core 2
by Shivanand Nadkarni 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi, Does anyone have Fedora Core 2 CDs? I heard that the CDs distributed recently have some problems. This is a bit urgent... Thanks, Santosh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: trevors mail - tolerance levels
by scrapo＠saswatabanerjee.com 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

gnurpreet(a)softhome.net wrote: __________ > > >let us accept this fact be a lil more newcomer friendly. but not spare any >oldies not tagging "[commercial]" msgs. The mail was marked as commercial. It was written commercial in brackets, but at end of mail instead of the begining. I think a private warning would have made more sense here as far as that point goes. Saswata

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[Commercial] Windows Device Driver Course
by Concepts 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hello All, We are starting a new batch of �Windows Device Driver� from next week. This hands on training course provides the knowledge and practice necessary to begin writing Windows device drivers for Windows XP, Windows 2000. This course provides a thorough grounding for Windows device driver development and Windows 2000 internals. Through lecture, class discussions and hands on lab work, the student will develop an immediately useful knowledge of how to write a device driver that will interface hardware to the system and to application programs. At the end of the course, a group of students will be given a problem statement for the Project. This project is aimed at making you proficient at writing Windows Device Drivers and solving real world problem. Syllabus is available at http://conceptsinc.s5.com/WritingWindowsDeviceDriver.htm Starting Date & Timings: 15th August 2004 (Sunday) 9.00 AM to 11.00 AM Saturday & Sunday Approximate Duration: 2 mths excluding project. Venue: Nirmal Complex, 3rd Floor,Nr. Vanaz Corner, Paud Road,Kothrud, Pune- 411038 For more details/queries mail us at conceptsinc(a)yahoo.com or call 9890454586. About Us: http://www.conceptsinc.s5.com Learn From Experts/ Engineers/ Professionals. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

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List search engine
by Linuxers Admin 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

The list search engine at http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers has been upgraded and the index has been cleaned up. -- List Admin

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Re: [Commercial]Wanted Linux Hacker
by Rajesh Rajani 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Hi, > > If Anil wants someone to hack into a linux box which is said to be > > proprietory, it seems that he is the wronged party since he did not recieve > > the source along with the binary as per the GPL. > >I don't see where he stated that he recvd. a linux binary. Receiving a box which works on embedded linux is equivalent to receiving a linux binary. This is what got Linksys into trouble. They were not giving the users of the router a way to obtain the source code, thereby infringing on the GPL. > > Linux can be as proprietory or as open as you want. It just depends on to > > whom you distribute the binaries. > >Nah ah. proprietory isn't the right word when you modify other ppl's >work. The changes are proprietory the original work isn't, unless of >course you happen to be RIAA/MPAA or m'be SCO (the ho-ho operation) . >Please correct me here. I agree completely. My mistake. An unfortunate choice of words. > > Doesn't look like > > any GPL is being violated here though the ethics may be questionable. > >Unless Anil comes out with any details of the whole thing, its going >to remain questionable. If you own the box, then hacking it cannot be illegal. If you don't own it, then it definitely is. BTW, is there any idea what is the validity of the GPL in India. As far as I know, it is based on the US copyright law. I am not sure if that applies to us. Before you flame me, please keep in mind that this is an academic question and I am asking merely out of curiosity. Regards, Rajesh

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Mono VGA Monitor under Linux
by Ajit Gulanikar 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

We are shifting out of Windows to Linux using Red Hat Linux (7.3) and Ethernet Cards that boot off the server We have many (old) Mono VGA monitors (Make: Samtel / Microtek) Under Windows 98 we get a full screen display by setting the following paramters in display settings a) 640 x 480 b) 60 Hz c) 256 Colours Under Linux with those same settings we get a screen that leaves an empty area on the top and bottom i.e. screen display is not full screen. If we use a colour monitor all is ok i.e. we get full display Can we do the some settings (software / hardware / cable) to get fullscreen under Linux with a Mono VGA monitor -- basically we want to hold down the cost of the switch from Windows to Linux without investing in colour monitors Regards Ajit Gulanikar

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keep track of passwords of users in linux.suggestions or hint orfaq site link please
by camsbgl＠vsnl.net 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Dear Sir I would like to educated/introduced in a method or procedure for keeping track of password changes of users in Linux environment/Redhat thanks and regards P.R

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Sept 12th LUG meet
by Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

At the August 8th LUG meet it was decided that the organizing committee for the September LUG meet will of Nirav Mehta, Narayan Kejariwal and myself. This meet will be held at IIT Bombay, Powai. The three of us are coordinating amongst ourselves and our plan is to get one well known speaker from industry, and one expert in legal issues to speak on GPL and patenting issues. If there are any recommendations for either of these, please let us know. For the October 10th LUG meet, Mitul has volunteered to organize the meet. Incidentally, Michael Tiemann, Vice President, Open Source Affairs, Red Hat Inc will be in India in the second week of October. He is an excellent speaker and it would be good to have him address the LUG meet. The only problem is that he is coming during the week and our LUG meets are always held on Sundays. Perhaps these can be two seperae events. Red Hat is willing to host his talk. Perhaps the October LUG meet organizing team can suggest what can be done? Mitul? A brief profile of Michael is attached with this mail. Regards, Venky ===== Michael Tiemann is a true open source software pioneer. He made his first major open source contribution over a decade ago by writing the GNU C++ compiler, the first native-code C++ compiler and debugger. His early work led to the creation of leading open source technologies and the first open source business model. In 1989, Tiemann's technical expertise and entrepreneurial spirit led him to co-found Cygnus Solutions, the first company to provide commercial support for open source software. During his ten years at Cygnus, Tiemann contributed in a number of roles from President to hacker, helping lead the company from fledgling start-up to an admired open source leader. Tiemann serves on a number of boards, including the Open Source Initiative and the GNOME Foundation. Tiemann also provides financial support to organizations that further the goals of software and programmer freedom, including the Free Software Foundation and the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

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qmail clustering query
by Ninad Purohit 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Hi Guys I m planning to build up a Qmail cluster based on RedHat advanced server 3.0 FOr the shared stoarge quorum requirement of RedHat , i m planing to have a small Compaq/HP shared JBOD box of about 100GB However for the maildir storage , i m planning to have it exported out of an NFS (exported by some NAS ) | Qmail-1| | Qmail-1| --------- --------- | | | | SHARED STORAGE (100 GB) ----------- |NAS Server| (2 TB) ----------- The 2 servers wil mount their respective /home/maildir out of the same NAS export. The idea is that if any of the server goes down the other will take up and be able to serve all the users. Clustering is thru the use of Redhat Advanced server cluster .. not through HeartBeat or the likes Google tells me that maildir is **absolutely safe ** on NFS ... Can u guys pls throw some more light on this ..any practical experiences/issues ===== ninad purohit ninadonline(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)in have a nice day :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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403 Forbidden Error when Document Root is empty
by Vinayak 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Hello This is the first time I am configuring Apache on a Knoppix server. We use Redhat most of the time. The problem is if there is an empty directory in the document root, it gives me a 403 Forbidden Error. In Redhat, in a similar scenario, the directory index used to be displayed. Any pointers, anyone? Regards Vinayak

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