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Emacs SSH color source
by Kapil Karekar 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

Hi, I am using emacs over SSH (emacs -nw index.html). However I am unable to see syntax coloring. Syntax coloring in Vim works fine. I tried google ... could not find the answer quick enough ... so I have posted on the list ... continuing my quest on google :-) Thanks, Kapil Karekar -- Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem with viewing TIFF files.
by linuxdev 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

============= original message ================ I presume that there is some problem with some graphic library (imlib?) which the image viewer software(s) is/are trying to use to display tiff images. Any Pointers? Rajen. ============= end of original messsage ========== Check out imlib_config for options and also your X server display colors setting. See if it is set to million colors. One possibility is that its eating up memory in color replacements. Another possibility being, using the stock kernels. I have faced really bad hdd trashing using stock RH kernels. They somehow eat up memory. C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets on Air Sahara Flights at Prices Lower Than Before. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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prblem in kernel compilation
by ketan s d 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

hello! i was compiling the kernel ( 2.4.22 ) it compiles properly. however after the compilation i am not able to mount the cdwriter i am getting the error : /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device i have 40*12 benq cdwriter..... any help would be appreciated.. thank you ___________________________________________________ Law meets Electronics; Veena Weds Sanjay. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://rediff.com/matchmaker?1

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Problem with viewing TIFF files.
by Rajen M. Parekh 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

Dear luggers, I have few scanned images, most of which are in jpeg format, but some of them are in tiff format. The problem I am facing is with images stored in tiff format. (I have a P4 1.7 cpu, with 256 MB DDR memory using Intel mother board 845GB and Nvidia Riva TNT2 display card.) Coming to the problem, while trying to view tiff files the system goes into spin. First of all the system memory gets completely used up. The system starts using swap memory to the extent of 200+ MB (I have 500+ MB swap partition). The system starts lot of disk i/o and even after almost 2-3 mins, there is no display of the tiff file. I tried with some of the small tiff files I have (around 15 images total), but with all the files I saw the same problem. The smallest tiff file size is around 150 KB. I have around 4-5 images around that size, and the rest are more then 1 MB. I didn't have the heart to try to view the bigger ones. These same files I am able to view in Windows without any stress on the CPU or memory. I tried using different viewer softwares to check out if there was any problem with any specific software. I tried "Eye for Gnome", "Qview", KDE's default viewer "Kview", and also "Kuickshow". I switched on the KSystem Guard to find out what happens. I found that the moment I clicked on any of the tiff files, the system memory gets used up to the maximum and the system starts lot of swap activity. Then I killed the image viewer process and I got a system message given some details about imlib. I couldn't understand much and there was not much detail in it. It was probably because I killed the viewer process while it was trying to display the image. I presume that there is some problem with some graphic library (imlib?) which the image viewer software(s) is/are trying to use to display tiff images. Okay, one more thing, I tried this with both Red Hat Linux 9.0 and with SuSE 8.2, but with same results. (BTW, I must say SuSE Linux is quite impressive then any other distribution that I have used till date. I have been using Red Hat since its version 5.2, and have used Mandrake 8.2, 9.1.) One more interesting aspect about this is that I tried viewing these files using a Windows based software called "Irfan View" using Wine. And to my surprise I could view the tiff file without much problem, albiet a bit slow then in Windows, but no swapping nor eating up memory. Any Pointers? Rajen. -- A housewife, an accountant and a lawyer were asked to add 2 and 2. The housewife replied, "Four!". The accountant said, "It's either 3 or 4. Let me run those figures through my spread sheet one more time." The lawyer pulled the drapes, dimmed the lights and asked in a hushed voice, "How much do you want it to be?"

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Problem compiling linux 2.6.0-test5
by Chirag Arjun Bhangale 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

I received the following error while compiling the kernel: I m ataching the file cosa.c and cosa.h........... PLEASE HELP................ Path of the file is :---- linux-2.6.0-test5/drivers/net/wan/cosa.c CC [M] drivers/net/wan/cosa.o drivers/net/wan/cosa.c: In function `cosa_ioctl_common': drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1167: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1167: case label does not reduce to an integer constant drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1171: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1171: case label does not reduce to an integer constant drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1175: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1175: case label does not reduce to an integer constant drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1179: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1179: case label does not reduce to an integer constant drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1181: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1181: case label does not reduce to an integer constant drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1187: parse error before '[' token drivers/net/wan/cosa.c:1187: case label does not reduce to an integer constant make[3]: *** [drivers/net/wan/cosa.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/net/wan] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers/net] Error 2 make: *** [drivers] Error 2 INSTALL drivers/net/3c501.ko cp: cannot stat `drivers/net/3c501.ko': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [drivers/net/3c501.ko] Error 1 make: *** [_modinst_] Error 2

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Knoppix customization and remastering
by Netbaba 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

Hello to all linuxites My college was thinking of using the knoppix cd based version for their OS practicals thus eliminating need of installing linux on each machine. the students need mostly command line for practicals. It needs to be on a network while on knoppix as it's in case when it's on windows. Configuring the card everytime a person boots is a mess I was wondering if that could be done while booting itself ( either by assignin a static ip per cd or giving it a dhcp server name in the script) we could run a dhcp server from a linux. A samba would be required to store data to a windows machine which will act like a server or can I use a machine that's running only rh8 with a ftp deamon? IF anyone has better method of doing this please tell me, that would be great all comps are P4 with 845 M/b and we are running one comp on rh8 Thank you Deepak Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now !

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Large order for Linux-OS PCs
by Nandkumar Saravade 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

Dear All The Maharashtra Police seems to be going in for large scale computerization. They have issued a tender notice for 1500 PCs, UPS and modems, with Linux as the OS [tender specification reads: "Linux operating System – latest version (along with Devnagiri script and Open Office Suite.) with latest Service Pack (preloaded) license and recovery CD media with every PC and compatible Antivirus software"]. The notice is available at http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/data/tender/document/2003/08/27/2003082716463…. No details of the computerization programme itself seem available, though. Nandkumar Saravade

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[ot][commercial][job] gnu-linux java developer for bbay
by Trevor Warren 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

Linuxers....if the challenge below is good enough please email your c.v's to epaul(a)redhat.com and a cc to twarren(a)redhat.com. Trevor Position Description: To develop server side integration technology for Enterprise Applications using J2EE and Linux technologies. To work as part of a team with a commitment to timely delivery of high quality software in an open source development manner. Position Requirements: Good knoledge on Linux internals and C/C++. Strong Java development skills with a solid working knowledge of servlet, applet and EJB technologies with hands on experience using an Enterprise Java Development environments e.g. Apache, Tomcat, JBoss, and JonAS. Knowledge and/or experience with Swing or similar client GUI technology very desirable. Ability to work in a multi-platform development environment which is fast paced, with open source techologies for Linux. Excellent working knowledge of Internet and Web technologies including HTTP, HTML, WAP, WML, CGI, TCP/IP, SMTP, LDAP etc. Add ons can be good exposure to development tools like GTK, QT and Kylix. Excellent written and verbal communication skills. -- ( >- LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ twarren(a)redhat.com __ /~\ | \) / Pre Sales Consultant - Red Hat \ (/ | |_|_ \ 9820349221(M) | 22881326(O) / _|_| \___________________________________/

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KNOPPIX Remastering/customization;problem with apt-get
by vivek b 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

hi, Kapil has asked me to try apt-setup, before using apt-get update. i tried it but after choosing the mirror for ftp, it gives an error that it could not connect to MY INSTITUTE's ftp site...time out.. i think it has to do something with the proxy settings. I am following the tutorial at http://gnubox.dyndns.org:8080/~sunil/knoppix.php In the tutorial the auther has asked to remove the link---/etc/resolv.conf--and to create a new resolv.conf file. i did this but it doesn't work. plz help. thanks, vivek. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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KNOPPIX remasetering: problem with apt-get.
by vivek b 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

Hi, I am trying to build a custom cd from knoppix. I am following the tutorial at http://gnubox.dyndns.org:8080/~sunil/knoppix.php when i do an apt-get the error is 'could not connect to...time out...' i think the problm is that my proxy server is not aloowing it to connect. so please help me in getting around this problem. AND ALSO PLZ TELL ME MORE LINKS ABOUT CUSTOMISING AND REMASTERING THE LINUX ON CDs THANKS IN ANTICIPATION, vivek. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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KNOPPIX Remastering/customization;problem with apt-get
by vivek b 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

hi, Kapil has asked me to try apt-setup, before using apt-get update. i tried it but after choosing the mirror for ftp, it gives an error that it could not connect to MY INSTITUTE's ftp site...time out.. i think it has to do something with the proxy settings. I am following the tutorial at http://gnubox.dyndns.org:8080/~sunil/knoppix.php In the tutorial the auther has asked to remove the link---/etc/resolv.conf--and to create a new resolv.conf file. i did this but it doesn't work. plz help. thanks, vivek. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Meeting of 14th Sep venue
by amish munshi 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

Greetings, Meeting of sep 14th is Computer Lab, Mechanical dept, 1st floor, VJTI, Wadala. Bye. ------------------------------------------------- Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Sify Power mail- a Premium Service from Sify Mail! know more at http://mail.sify.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Cable Internet any one ?
by Vilas Wagle 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

In Pune, there is one cable ISP http:\\www.smjet.com, www.siliconmountains.co.in (Silicon Mountains) using cable internet. In Pune a company Divinet (http://www.cdacindia.com/html/press/archives/otdn02/spot260.asp) (www.divinetaccess.com) is in the field of Cable network distribution devices. Cable Internet is a huge business / Tech area. There are various kinds of details you might want - e.g. Network itself (Back End, Distribution, Client-end), security, performance - especially in Metro environment, effect of metro envioronment on the distribution networks, Network applications e.g. browsing, multimedia, VoD, video streaming etc. If you just take the network itself then these are some of the thins that would come in - MAN, RF-Cable based networks, Fiber to the Kerb or Hibrid Networks), Network Management and User Life Cycle management are some of the other areas. Cable network equipment providers could be good resources. Regards Vilas Wagle

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[ANNC]Minutes of Sept Meet and Annc- Octorber Meet
by Harsh 15 Sep '03

15 Sep '03

Hi everyone, The main reason for low turnout for Sept 14th meet was the fact that the announcement was made at the last minute and no agenda was set in advance. The minutes of the meeting : Meeting starrted at usual time, and as usual i bumped in late. Dr Nagarjun had got along is beautiful Apple Book. Those who werenot there seriously missed something. The other issue over the meeting revolved around localization efforts of Prof J Shah and how low cost computing can be clubbed with localization project to make affordable computing solutions. Also the venue and agenda for next meet are also in place. October Meet : Date : 11th October 2003 - Venue : VJTI - Mechnical Dept 1st Floor - Computer Lab / Classroom. Agenda : 1) Progress made by Localization teams. - This will be default component of every glug meet 2) GIS - GRAS ----> by Swapnil 3) Low cost computing hardware ---> Terrence D'Souza.(sorry if i messed your spelling ) 4) Blender --> Dr Nagarjun will speak about Blender which out there to give Flash a run for its space. So folks we are all waiting for an all action packed October Meet. Admins please add the meet details in the header. Looking forward for heavy attendance. Regards Harsh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] J2EE vs LAMP
by Tahir Hashmi 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

> From: > Devdas Bhagat <devdas(a)dvb.homelinux.org> > >> >IMHO, J2EE and LAMP differ largely in scalability and complexity. J2EE >> >is more targeted towards complex applications, while LAMP is more >> >suitable for small - medium scale web applications. > Dunno. > Linux, Apache, Perl/Python, PostgreSQL *scale*. You do know that you can > do OO development with both Perl and Python, right? > Of course, doing proper, scalable design helps in any case. Scalability is not just about programming languages or handling N requests per second. It's also got to do with the facilities offered by the platform to handle application level complexity - the complexity that your application requires to support. Note that my comment stressed more on complexity. How well can your chosen platform allow the programmers to code as close as possible to the business logic as compared to coding the minutae like concurrency control or transaction management or messaging is what it's all about. Another little thing that might get ignored is that a P/L is not the /only/ deciding factor in a platform. So, indeed, you can have a highly scalable distributed computing platform developed entirely in Perl. (I don't know if we already do :p) >> >Personally, I am also planning to look into C++ with XML as a platform >> >for enterprise applications and web services. There are some really > > Buzzword Compliant Programming? LOL! IMHO, C++ is not a buzzword and XML is more than just a buzzword. If this combo looks like buzzword compliant programming, that's a favorable by-product :) >> >capable application development frameworks like ACE available for it. >> >Generally, stuff that's available in J2EE is also available in C++. >> >It's just that the former gets noticed since there's no >> >c++.bigcorp.com. Oh, but my opinion may be biased due to my perennial >> >rant against Java, the platform. ;) >> >>Are the libraries available in C++ for enterprise applications as >>extensive as J2EE? I think most people choose J2EE because of the huge >>array of libraries/components available, which they can leverage right away. Till date, I haven't encountered anything in the Java world that doesn't have a functional equivalent in the C++ world. Of course it could mean that I haven't encountered enough ;) AFA reasons for choosing Java are concerned, I guess a pretty strong factor is also the availability of programmers for it and the collective reference to the P/L, the platforms and the libraries as "Java", which makes it look like something really big. >>Another reason in favour of Java is automatic garbage collection. This >>makes it easier to create more robust applications. Does C++ have >>something equivalent. > > For those of us who know how to manage memory, garbage collection isn't > much of a gain. When we wish to avoid it, we use languages which do it > for us without the memory hogging and performance thrashing JVM. GC is not all that bad actually. Once you get used to programming with it, it feels a little arcane doing your own memory management. Good news is that there are GC libraries available for C++ also. Plus, you get a set of choices to make while optimizing your program, instead of just an always-on-for-everything GC. Here's some nice reading: http://www.iecc.com/gclist/GC-faq.html >>I have used Java for quite some time and have found it to be a >>reasonably good platform to use. However I have never used C++ to build >>enterprise level applications, so I am not familiar with it's strenghts. > > C++ can be a scalpel in the hands of a reasonably competent programmer. > Java makes some things easy, but the things that aren't really supported > by Java are a pain. That apart, Java also confines you to a very restricted environment. Either there's a library that allows you to talk to the world outside the JVM or you're stuck. -- Tahir Hashmi code_martial AT softhome.net http://www.codemartial.org I have seen The Source

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[ILUG-BOM] does anyone have an idea of a bit peeling server based on Ogg Vorbis
by Alok Rao 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

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Tomorrows meets
by Netbaba 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

What time will the meet start tomorrow? and exactly where in VJTI campus is the meeting? I am coming for the first time.Please give all the details so I don't get lost .. Deepak Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now !

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Cable Internet any one ?
by Nikunj Virani 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

Dear All, Can any one provide me with some guidelines to how does a Cable Internet thing work ? Has any one done such a setup before and what all things are required for the setup. Thanks for your valuable time. Regards, Nikunj Virani Senior System Administrator

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Help for setting up mail server & proxy
by Netbaba 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

Please help me with setting up a mail server for my college I want to know what software should I use and what distro is better for this work I have PCQlinux 7.3 PCQlinux 8.0 and redhat 9.0 The requirement s is as given below WE need to schedule the email downloads from our main webserver through a ISDN line. We need web based interface for the staff to be able to check their mail All mails sent to the domain endup in a single IMAP /Pop3 acc come to xyz(a)some.com that email needs to be sorted according to the TO address into different mailboxes It even needs to act as an outgoing email server too. Now coming to proxy I want to knwow if squid is the one I should use. Also where can I find a step by step tutorial since I have hardly any command line experience as well I don't have much time to do it. Thank you Deepak Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now !

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[ILUG-BOM] configuring moxa C502-ISA/35 dual Sync Board with RH 6.2 kernel 2.2.14-5
by dhanraj sheth 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

hello all , well i want to know if any one has configure the same ( moxa C502-ISA/35 dual Sync Board) on Rh6.2 kernel 2.2.14-5 when i install drivers of that which are downloaded from site(www.moxa.com.tw) they get install with out any errors but when i do #insmod mxc502 #insmod sysncppp #insmod mxc502m baseaddr=0xCC00 txclock=0 speed=64000 bps isairq=4 it gives me error in command 3 like --> /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/net/mxc502m.o : init_module Device or resource busy and that time at dmesg this is the output of the command given -->mxc502m: Not any Moxa board is set. -->Some of the required outputs # lsmod Module Size Used by syncppp 8776 0 (unused) mxc502 3040 0 lockd 31592 1 (autoclean) sunrpc 53540 1 (autoclean) [lockd] rtl8139 12388 1 (autoclean) # less /var/log/messages Sep 12 16:05:43 router kernel: Generic Moxa C502 board interface driver v1.0 Sep 12 16:19:19 router kernel: Cronyx Ltd, Synchronous PPP and CISCO HDLC (c) 1994 Sep 12 16:19:19 router kernel: Linux port (c) 1998 Building Number Three Ltd & J an "Yenya" Kasprzak. #dmesg # less /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 84008 XT-PIC timer 1: 1165 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 11: 945 XT-PIC eth0 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu 14: 534839 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 and #less /proc/ioports 0000-001f : dma1 0020-003f : pic1 0040-005f : timer 0060-006f : keyboard 0070-007f : rtc 0080-008f : dma page reg 00a0-00bf : pic2 00c0-00df : dma2 00f0-00ff : fpu 01f0-01f7 : ide0 03c0-03df : vga+ 03f6-03f6 : ide0 03f8-03ff : serial(auto) 6000-6007 : ide0 6008-600f : ide1 6200-627f : eth0 what could be that ? and how to short out this error ? WEll if some one has done the same or some one has pointer for this thanks in adv Dhanraj sheth ===== The World is a samll Place to be in!!! So Keep (: & keep in touch http://linuxdhanraj.tripod.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Looking for (offshore) Resources
by Virendra Rode 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

Hi there, Sorry about the off topic but just wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction and /or help me connect with the right team. I'm currently looking for people who can build devices (IC, Board design and Firmware Development) and do Embedded Software Development (consulting basis) to work with me on a project-to-project basis. Please respond with your proper skill sets, contact information and the list of projects that you have done directly to me at vrode(a)socal.rr.com Feel free to pass this thread to anybody you know and /or mailing list. regards, Virendra

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GNU/Linux talks... in Goa
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

Program of GNU/Linux talks at the Exhibition of Computers and Allied Products, to be held at Hotel Mandovi, Panjim on this weekend. All are welcome! FN Saturday, Sept 13, 2003 11.00 GR Bhat Enterprise mail & messaging solns with Linux 11.45 Animesh Introducing Gnumeric and Latex Suite 12.30 Ashley Multimedia & GNU/Linux at Home 14.00 Tushar Joshi * Business Networking Applications (IP Tables, ProcMail, SSH, Spam Assassim, FreeSwan) 15.00 Kshama Free Software in the World of Finance 16.00 CSI TALK SCHEDULED 17.00 Mario Made-in-Goa hotel management software 17.45 Tushar Linux in London: How, What, Why... ------------------------------------------------------------ Sunday, Sept 14, 2003 10.00 GR Bhat Intranets 11.00 Dr Seth Python, Without Venom 12.00 BBShaha Linux Made Easy 14.00 Vidya GIS, and GRASS5 14.45 Yunus Embedded Linux 15.15 ArvindC Computer Security: A Primer 16.00 CSI TALK SCHEDULED 17.00 Easaw Latex, the document preparation system in GNU/Linux 17.30 KVMadhav Multimedia for Beginners Under Linux 18.00 Sanil Software development in Linux 18.30 ArvindY FLOSS in the Corporate World FN

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Solaris experience?
by Subba Rao 12 Sep '03

12 Sep '03

Hello I am being interviewed for some jobs where they are asking for Sun Solaris experience. For a long time I have been a *nix user but did not pay too much attention to the System V vs the BSD camps. I know Solaris falls into the BSD camp. How different is it from Linux? My experience is in System V, AIX and Linux (some HP/UX). Having this experience, what areas of Solaris should I focus on to get my foot in the door. Thank you in advance for any advice. -- Subba Rao subba9(a)cablespeed.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old American Wild West saying: God created men but Colt made them equal. Today: Linus created Linux and Linux made IT companies equal.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] i810 Framebuffer
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 12 Sep '03

12 Sep '03

Hi, ________________________________________________________________________ Thanks anyways, I got it to work with the earlier email (thanx Tapeshwar Nath :)). What I was striving for was the penguin logo :). I had to compile the driver into the kernel for that though. > probably the same would go in 2.6 too. Its quite different in the 2.6 kernel. Its been officially included in the kernel as i810fb. BTW, does anybody know if I can get the logo without compiling the framebuffer and the fbcon drivers into the kernel? How? I tried for days, just could'nt get it. Finally settled with bloating my kernel by a few KBs. (Sorry boss... the penguin's kinda cool ;)) Regards, Siddhesh.

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advanced web page editor in LINUX
by walgude.sameer＠mahindra.com 12 Sep '03

12 Sep '03

is there any web-page editor as much powerful as Frontpage - XP in any of the linux packages which can handle cascaded tables (which latest editions of netscape/ opera even not been able to handle) best example of cascaded tables can be found at: http://wtiindia.b3.nu/ surf this portal in Internet Explorer 5 / above & surf this in Netscape / Opera & see the difference Regards, Sameer Jaysing Walgude Strategic Sourcing +919820849808

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