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by Mrudul Shah 27 Jul '03

27 Jul '03

/* this is part of process (the error part only) */ /* i was trying to install "OpenPBS_2_3_16" @ my home PC Pentium III,having RH 7.3 , tcl/tk 8.3.1-53 */ /* i gave this command ---> ./configure --prefix /usr/pbs */ makedepend-sh: processing ./pbsTkInit.c makedepend-sh: processing ./hostn.c makedepend-sh: processing ./chk_tree.c makedepend-sh: processing ./printjob.c makedepend-sh: processing ./tracejob.c make[3]: Entering directory `/root/SETUPS/pbs/OpenPBS_2_3_16/src/tools' gcc -g -O2 -I../../src/include -I../../src/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c ./../scheduler.tcl/pbs_tclWrap.c gcc -g -O2 -I../../src/include -I../../src/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c ./../scheduler.tcl/site_tclWrap.c gcc -g -O2 -I../../src/include -I../../src/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c pbsTclInit.c gcc -g -O2 -I../../src/include -I../../src/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o pbs_tclsh pbs_tclWrap.o site_tclWrap.o pbsTclInit.o ../lib/Liblog/liblog.a ../lib/Libcmds/libcmds.a ../lib/Libnet/libnet.a ../lib/Libpbs/libpbs.a -L/usr/lib -ltk8.3 -ltcl8.3 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lm -ldl /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [pbs_tclsh] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/SETUPS/pbs/OpenPBS_2_3_16/src/tools' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/SETUPS/pbs/OpenPBS_2_3_16/src/tools' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/SETUPS/pbs/OpenPBS_2_3_16/src' make: *** [all] Error 2 /* Also when i tried using rpm */ [root@localhost pbs]# rpm - Uvh openpbs-2.3pl2-1.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libtcl8.0.so is needed by openpbs-2.3pl2-1 libtk8.0.so is needed by openpbs-2.3pl2-1 /usr/bin/tclsh8.0 is needed by openpbs-2.3pl2-1 /usr/bin/wish8.0 is needed by openpbs-2.3pl2-1 [root@localhost pbs]# find / -name libtcl* /usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so /usr/lib/libtcl.so /usr/lib/libtclstub8.3.a /usr/lib/libtclx8.2.a /usr/lib/libtclx.so /usr/lib/libtclx8.2.so /* i dunno wats the prob ..probably some version conflict ?? ..pls help */ thanx ___________________________________________________ Download the hottest & happening ringtones here! OR SMS: Top tone to 7333 Click here now: http://sms.rediff.com/cgi-bin/ringtone/ringhome.pl

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[ILUG-BOM] need OS-FSF and Linux distros cum s/w................URGENT
by Trevor Warren 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

Luggers, Need the following distributions and s/w to add to the library collection: * Debian * SuSE * Gentoo * Knoppix(en) * Yellow Dog * Slackware * Red Hat + SGI XFS * Lycoris * Mandrake (other than 8.2 and 9.0...older releases) * trustix * turbolinux * LDP(www.tldp.org) * Collection of FSF-OS ebooks-docs. * FreeBSD 5.0 * OpenBSD * NetBSD * etc related to FSF-OS. Please write in with a cc to "trevorwarren(a)softhome.net". Donations are welcome or if that isn't possible just lemme know the cost of the cd's and i will pay for the same. This is a bit urgent.....!!! Trevor -- ( >- LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ twarren(a)redhat.com __ /~\ | \) / Pre Sales Consultant - Red Hat \ (/ | |_|_ \ 9820349221(M) | 22881326(O) / _|_| \___________________________________/

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[ILUG-BOM] Info Req: AthlonXP/Duron & Linux compatible Mobos/Chipset
by Vishal Belsare 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

I am planning to get a new system, and this time am thinking of getting either an AthlonXP or Duron 1300 processor. This coupled with DDR 333/400 Mhz. [How about the Dual DDR thing?] After doing some online reading about the AMD processors and compatible Socket A motherboards, I am kind of confused as to which one would be good choice, and one of the most important parameters in selection is Linux compatibility and maximum usability under Linux. The chipset options seem to be: Via: KT400 , KT400A and KT600 nVidia: nforce, nforce2, nforce2 400 [this has a further option of getting either an IGP+MCP or SPP+MCP combination, with some further complications in MCP as MCP-T and MCP-D, of which I cant figure out thing...] nforce2 Ultra 400 [Dual DDR] SiS: SiS748, SiS746FX, SiS746, SiS745, SiS735, SiS733 After selecting a compatible chipset, I want to choose a motherboard offering the choice. To check for Linux compatibility, I searched for the hardware list on the Mandrake & Redhat sites, but none of them really give any information about these newer chipsets and boards. [I would be installing Mandrake 9.1] After considering nVidia's nforce2 400 and its Linux compatibility, reading its linux drivers page, I figure that the 6 channel audio etc. is not available under Linux. Also to enable the integrated LAN chipset under Linux, ACPI has to be disabled... what consequence would this have? I wonder what other features I might miss out then. If I am purchasing something I sure want to take benefit of all/most of the features under Linux. This is what nVidia's site says on its Linux Drivers page : ________________ Linux nForce Driver Version: 1.0-0261 Release Date: June 11, 2003 Release Highlights for 1.0-0261: Added kernel patch to support nForce GART Added "spdif_status" module parameter to audio driver to enable/disable S/PDIF support for compatability Fixed bug in audio driver that was causing MSI nForce board to only use 2 channels Fixed mmap bug in audio driver causing Quake III to hang. Fixed Red Hat Linux 9 build issue with remap_page_range(). Fixed problem with rebuilding SRPM on Red Hat Linux 9. Added Red Hat Linux 9 and Mandrake Linux 9.1 binary RPMs. This page contains drivers and documentation for the nForce chipset. The chipset includes hardware support for IDE disk control, ethernet networking, audio support, win modem support, and a USB controller. These packages have support for ethernet networking and *basic* ACI audio. USB and IDE hardware will work with standard Linux drivers. There is no win modem support. ________________ The motherboard choices I believe range from Asus, Gigabyte, Soyo Dragon series etc... Considering the thermal performance of the AMD CPUs, I probably am better off getting a motherboard which gives some option like fan RPM control based of system load etc. If getting onboard graphics [like nVidia's nforce2 400 Integrated Graphics Processors + Media Communications Processor which has GeForce AGP8x built-in ], onboard sound [nVidia's MCPs Audio Processing or Via's onboard AC'97 or Vinyl Audio], onboard LAN, onboard modem [are all of these 'winmodems / softmodems?] would these work with Linux? Any opinions about Serial ATA? IEEE 1394? Is anyone more than familiar with using the AMD line of products under Linux? I would appreciate if someone could spare time to help me make a reasonable choice. I must stress that I am keen to see that I can use all or most of the devices/features under Linux and not just Windows. Please Cc your response to * bvishal [at] gmx [dot] net V i s h a l . -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie sichern!

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] multi-boot error w/ 2 hdd's
by linuxdev 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

Did you check out the map command of grub ? I know its specially for windows, yet ... C > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri." <spavri(a)vsnl.com> > > I have 2 hdd's hda and hdb. I have RH 9 on hda2 w/ grub as <snip> > > title Slackware 9 (2.4.20) > > root (hd1,1) > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 ro hdd=ide-scsi > ^^^^^^ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets on Air Sahara Flights at Prices Lower Than Before. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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[ILUG-BOM] Workshop for Saraf College, Malad (W) - GNU/Linux Networking and Security
by dinesh＠shahmicro.com 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

Hi GLUGers, We are organizing a workshop in Saraf College, Malad (W). Date is still to be finalised. I have made an outline of the topics to be covered. As usual, your comments, additions, modifications and deletions of the topics are welcome. Also calling Network and Security Gurus to contribute for the event. Date and Venue will be announced as soon as it becomes available. Duration : One day - 8 hrs. (9:30 am - 5:30 pm) Venue : Your premises Date : Unknown Target Audiance : Engineering Students Audiance Size : Unknown No. of Speakers : 3 to 4 Subject : Networking and Security Basics in GNU/Linux Topics to Cover : Networking What is a Network Why Network What is Computer Network Networking Technologies Network Hardware Ethernet, Arcnet, SLIP/PPP, ATM, Wireless, AX.25, etc. Network Topologies Peer-to-peer, Bus, Star, Token Ring, etc. Network Models OSI, IP, etc. Network Protocols IP, IPX, NetBIOS, AppleTalk, Frame Relay, DECNet, etc. IPv4 and IPv6 Networks IP stack and Comparison with OSI Network Model IP Addressing and Classes Subneting and Routing TCP, UDP, ICMP, IGMP etc. IP Networks and DNS System Role of /etc/hosts and BIND /etc/resolve.conf /etc/nssswitch.conf Higher Level Network Protocols HTTP, HTTPS, FTP SMB, CIFS SMTP, POP, IMAP Telnet, SSH, rlogin, RSH NTP, NNTP, NFS, NIS, NIS+, SNMP : Security Computer Security Threat Perceptions Risk Analisis System Level Security Physical Access Virus, Worms, Trojans and Software Bugs User Authentication Methods Passwords Smart Cards Biometrix Directory and File Permissions Access Control Lists (ACLs) Tools for Securing a System (Hardware locks, Tripwire, Bastille, Password crackers) Network Level Security Various types of attcks (DoS, DDoS, IP Spoofing, DNS Spoofing etc.) Weaknesses and Bugs in various Sofwares/Servers/Daemons Open Ports, Packet Filtering and Firewalls Network Security tools (Snort, nmap, SAINT, SATAN, etc.) TIA for your contributions. With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com +91-98213-11906 +91-22-56919423

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Re. shell information need
by koushik lahiri 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

Dear friend How do i know which shell in i m in command prompt & how i change current shell to other shell . plz refere some command that a great help me. thanks friends plz reply me koushik --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

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FTP SERVER!!
by vidyasagar venkatesh 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

does linux have an FTP server capability with which i can share my files over the internet.(similar like FTP in IIS)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel module support (2.6)
by goldwyn rodrigues 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Thanx a lot guys. It was finally module-init-tools which solved the problem. Even upgrading modutils could also have worked, but I guess I din't do it right. The xscreensaver problem still persists. Also, after starting X, all the text virtual consoles (Ctrl Alt Fn) vanish. This happens even after logging out of X. There is no console display, just a blinking cursor. I have enabled all sorts of dsiplays in the .confg file an tried. Moreover, bdflush is also unable to flush dirty buffers. And asks to fix init scripts. I cannot use y because it gives me the login prompt. Thanx again, -- Goldwyn :o) "Sthitaprajna" <sp.jena(a)irisindia.net> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent by: cc: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel module support (2.6) -bom.org.in 07/23/2003 07:14 PM Please respond to sp.jena; Please respond to "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" goldwyn rodrigues wrote: >> The module support is on in my .config file and so is unloading and force >> unloading etc. Any of the insmod, depmod or modprobe don't work. > >> Upgraded your modutils? > > Downloaded and upgraded to modutils-2.5.0 but it still does'nt work. The > error is still the same. http://search.luky.org/linux-kernel.2003/msg00887.html and more precisely, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/ Please subscribe/read the LKML. Test-kernel related issues are best discussed in a common forum which will help clear up isses wiht the kernel development, and not a local LUG list. Cheers, SP -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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problem with tv tuner card
by valmik＠hughestele.com 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

hi luggers my TV tuner card (bt878) is not working properly with kernel 2.4.21 i'm using xawtv and it dont give smooth movment of picture with this kernel to try to solve this problem i recompile my xawtv but no use. but same xawtv works fine when i boot m/c in kernel 2.4.19 pls can u ppl help me out thanks in advance valmik roy

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mozila scene
by upendra 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Are yaro I have created onw website , uploaded on solaris server. The webpages are simple html webpages. But somehow RH 9 linux mozilla users not ables to see vetical , horizontal lines of my table ( poor table) otherwise they can see everything in the table (except horizontal ,vertical lines ok!!!) What do i do for this? The webpage is .html only is there any good table creator for html files on linux ( yes but the page should also be visible on windows of M$) chalo bye rgds upen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel module support (2.6)
by goldwyn rodrigues 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

> The module support is on in my .config file and so is unloading and force > unloading etc. Any of the insmod, depmod or modprobe don't work. > Upgraded your modutils? Downloaded and upgraded to modutils-2.5.0 but it still does'nt work. The error is still the same. -- Goldwyn :o)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel module support (2.6)
by linuxdev 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

>I compiled the 2.6 kernel, (patched 2.5.74). The >kernel boots fine but >modules are unable to load. It gives the error: >QM_MODULE function not implemented. Use the newer modutils available in the developer "Rusty"'s directory on ftp.kernel.org Ur gnome problem should also resolve by the same as probably the acpi / agpart module doesn't load properly. C Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Progeny Debian GUI Installation ISO 'pgi/piggy'
by Sthitaprajna 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Warren Norrix wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:44:44 +0530 > dinesh(a)shahmicro.com (Dinesh Shah) wrote: > >> This ISO contains GUI Debian installation. > [snip] > You can use pgi to create your own installer. its a standard debian woody > package. > deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian unstable main deb-src http://archive.progeny.com/debian unstable main and docs at http://www.progeny.com/products/pgi/guide.html Frankly, I don't see how a "GUI" install would help. People complain about the plethora of information a Debian installation asks them, so for some people going from Win32 to Debian, or from other distros to Debian, with a not so very complete understanding face an information overload. If the current installation can include more information about howto do what to obtain the necessary info, plus a better hardware detection routine, installation might be easier for some people. Take a look at Libranet's installer. Its Debian, but nice. As in the current installer has been spruced up to detect "extra" devices over ieure's/ElectricElf's or standard Debian installation ISOs. I am sure there are other Debian based distros with spruced up installers. Rgds -- SP PS:I am sorry, I know this message will mess up your threading...have a problem with my MUA.

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Kernel module support (2.6)
by goldwyn rodrigues 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Hi, I compiled the 2.6 kernel, (patched 2.5.74). The kernel boots fine but modules are unable to load. It gives the error: QM_MODULE function not implemented. The module support is on in my .config file and so is unloading and force unloading etc. Any of the insmod, depmod or modprobe don't work. Problem 2: I start gnome and lock the screen after a while. I enter the password to get back to work, the system does not restore. Error message: xscreensaver: PAM grew by 68 K. (shown in the xscreensaver itself) Both these problems are with the 2.5/2.6 series kernel. 2.4.20 works fine. Anyone has any idea? -- Goldwyn :o)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel module support (2.6)
by Sthitaprajna 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

goldwyn rodrigues wrote: >> The module support is on in my .config file and so is unloading and force >> unloading etc. Any of the insmod, depmod or modprobe don't work. > >> Upgraded your modutils? > > Downloaded and upgraded to modutils-2.5.0 but it still does'nt work. The > error is still the same. http://search.luky.org/linux-kernel.2003/msg00887.html and more precisely, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/ Please subscribe/read the LKML. Test-kernel related issues are best discussed in a common forum which will help clear up isses wiht the kernel development, and not a local LUG list. Cheers, SP

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25.7.03: Words on Water PREMIERE
by PUKAR Monsoon 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Dear Friends: PUKAR (Partners for Urban Knowledge Action & Research) cordially invites you to the Mumbai premiere of the documentary film "Words on Water", followed by a discussion with director SANJAY KAK. This film screening is part of our week-long PUKAR Monsoon Symposium, from 19-26 July 2003. "Words on Water" (85 minutes, 2002, English/Hindi) is writted and directed by Sanjay Kak, edited by Sameera Jain and Reena Mohan, with photography by Sanjay Kak and Ranjan Palit, location sound by Samina Mishra, and music composed and sung by Rahul Ram, Amit Kilam and Asheem Chakravarty. Date: FRIDAY 25 JULY 2003 6.00 P.M. to 8.00 P.M. At: PUKAR c/o Aragon Services 4th Floor, Kitab Mahal Dr Dadabhai Naoroji Road Mumbai 400001 Kitab Mahal is next to New Excelsior Cinema, and is near VT Station. Entrance to Kitab Mahal is from the New Book Company on Dadabhai Naoroji Road. Lift is available to the third floor. ABOUT THE FILM For almost twenty years, the banks of the Narmada River in central India have been the site of a remarkable struggle for human dignity. Faced with the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people by a gargantuan series of thirty dams, and the abject failure by the Indian government to resettle the displaced, the Narmada valley has thrown up a unique people's movement. "Words on Water" is a film that explores the contemporary contours of this resistance, as the struggle to save the Narmada -- the Narmada Bachao Andolan -- faces its most critical reverse, a verdict from the highest court of the land, which places the establishment's seal of the approval on the Sardar Sarovar dam, a colossal misadventure with multiple, irreversible consequences. "Words on Water" is about the transaction between power and powerlessness in the most populous democracy in the world, in a clash that is at once both intensely traditional and urgently modern. For the struggle over the dam contains within it many of the contradictions of Indian society. The contestation over scarce resources, the debate on the model of development chosen, and the nature of society itself, which allows the powerful to cannibalize those lower down in the hierarchies of caste and class, and pass it off as development. Inevitably, the Narmada valley has also become a testing ground for the new mantra of globalization, as international capital comes sweeping in, looking for new opportunities (and unrestrained profits) in the pockets of the impoverished Developing World. The valley boasts of India's first privatized hydro project, the Maheshwar Dam, although resistance by the people has already driven off investor after investor. But more than anything else, at a time when violence rages like a bush fire across the parched surface of Indian democracy, when resistance movements in the tribal margins of Indian society have steadily taken to the gun, the struggle in the Narmada valley continues to take its cues from the Gandhian notions of ahimsa (non-violence) and satyagraha (the force of truth). So ultimately this is not just a film about the decimation (by drowning) of the poor, the deceit of a political class, or the complicity of a powerful social class, which stands to gain by the centralization of natural resources. Words on Water is about sustained resistance, a non-violent, even joyous, defiance, which empowers you to struggle for your rights, yet saves you from the ultimate humiliation of violence, in which the resistance gets re-made in the image of its oppressor. ABOUT THE DIRECTOR SANJAY KAK is an independent documentary film-maker whose film, in the forest hangs a bridge (1999), won the Golden Lotus for Best Documentary Film at the 1999 National Film Awards in India. The film also won the Asian Gaze Award at the Pusan Short Film Festival, Korea. His recent work includes One Weapon (1997), a video about democracy in the 50th year of Indian independence, and Harvest of Rain (1995), made in association with the Centre for Science & Environment, New Delhi. His films on the theme of migration, looking at people of Indian origin in the fringes of the city of London, This Land, My Land, Eng-Land! (1993), and in post-apartheid South Africa, A House and a Home (1993) have been widely screened at documentary festivals. He has also produced and directed Cambodia: Angkor Remembered (1990), a reflection on the monument and its place in Khmer society. Born in Pune, India in 1958, Sanjay Kak attended St Stephen's College, Delhi and the Delhi School of Economics where he read Economics and Sociology. His early training in film was as writer/researcher on a shoestring black and white popular science series for Indian television. His first independent documentary Kinnaur Ke Log (1983) was an account of a year in the life of a Himalayan shepherd boy, followed by Savdhan! Bacche Khel Rahe Hain (Caution! Children at Play, 1984) is about the remedial uses of drama in the therapy of disabled children. His video Geeli Mitti (The Wet Earth) was awarded the Silver Lotus at the 1985 National Film Awards in India. In 1986 he helped found Octave Communications, a New Delhi based production company, which he still runs. To support his interest in the documentary film Sanjay has also worked extensively in television, where his work includes the seven-part travelogue Pradakshina: Journey Down the Ganga (1985-86). Between 1985-87 he also directed a series of Hindi language news documentaries for India's national television Doordarshan, including Punjab: Doosra Adhyaya (Punjab: Chapter Two), and Kiski Ganga? (Whose River Is It?). Sanjay lives in New Delhi where he is active in the documentary film movement. _____ PUKAR (Partners for Urban Knowledge Action & Research) P.O. Box 5627, Dadar, Mumbai 400014, INDIA E-Mail <mailto:secretariat@pukar.org.in> Phone +91 (022) 2207 7779, +91 98200 45529, +91 98204 04010 Web Site http://www.pukar.org.in

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Progeny Debian GUI Installation ISO 'pgi/piggy'
by dinesh＠shahmicro.com 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Hi, Can someone download this ISO and put it on a CD? I will arrange to peek it up from your place. It's 96MB in size. http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi/pgi-woody-20021023-i386.iso This ISO contains GUI Debian installation. TIA With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com +91-98213-11906 +91-22-56919423

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GNULinuxInIndia * July 22, 2003
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

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This list aims at being an *event-centric* announcement-list. Reports of meetings and events to be held or already held, and announcements of FLOSS special events, gatherings, tech sessions are welcome. Opinions, discussions, feature articles would be offtopic here. For further details contact Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <sankarshanmukhopadhyay at vsnl.net> who has launched this initiative with support from the compiler of this newsletter (FN). Says Sankarshan: "Let's hope this can bind the fragmented nature of the FLOSS world in India." Flosstoday mailing list * Flosstoday(a)mail.sarai.net http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/flosstoday INTEREST FROM BRAZIL: Christiano Anderson <anderson(a)debian-rs.org> writes in from Brazil to say: "I have read the President in India talking about free software, this is a very positive action, and we would like to keep in touch with someone from government in India to discuss about free software initiatives and experience with people from the Brazilian government. We would like to invite someone from India government to talk about the free software experience in our next Free Software conference. Do you think it's possible? Who could talk to us about the experience in your country? Marcelo Branco is the coordinator of Free Software Project in Rio Grande do Sul, he is also discussing free software initiatives for the Brazilian government." THIS IS AN INTERESTING page featuring Microsoft in India -- including the Shiksha Microsoft e-learning initiative, and reports of Gates committing $21 million to IT projects. Also links to FLOSS in India, and "Microsoft against Open Source". http://www.gnacademy.org/twiki/bin/view/SOS/MicrosoftInIndia KUNAL <kunalbharati at yahoo.com> OF THE NORTH Mumbai GLUG has arranged a seminar on FLOSS in his college. Says he: "It would really help if you give me some ideas what I (could) do. I will be distributing KNOPPIX 3.2 CDs. I would appreciate if someone from you comes up with other good ideas..." Students do need more options, any help would be welcome. DESI (India-linked) names continue to make news in the FLOSS movement worldwide. Guess who was making news when a new Debian Project Leader was elected by a narrow margin recently? Manoj Srivastava, the General Secretary of the Debian Project, who was credited with putting in the "work (that) had made the election possible". See the discussion on the debian-devel-announce list (lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce- 200303/msg00025.html) FROM GOA ANIMESH N Nerurkar <banduji(a)gmx.net> has announced plans for stepping up activities of the TUG-Goa network. On Saturday July 26, Prof (Ms) Kshama Fernandes will demonstrate the power of PDFLaTeX or LaTeX itself. Plans are also underway for activities in the academic circles of this small state on the west coast of India, otherwise better known as a touristic destination. All are welcome. SURAJ KUMAR <suraj(a)symonds.net> has on offer a copy of speeches on Free Software and Software Patents, downloaded from gnu.org. Says he: "I have cut a CD out of it. Unfortunately this collection does not contain RMS's speech at Chennai (Madras Institute of Technology) made on March 13th, 2002. However its worth noting that most of the speeches carry the same message (the only differences being the humour that he adds to various speeches)." See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/audio.html The CD also bundles two of GnuPress published books: * Free Software, Free Society - http://www.gnu.org/doc/book13.html * Free as in Freedom - http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ Also included are the web pages from http://gnu.org/philosophy/ and http://gnu.org/licenses/ LATEX WORKSHOP AT PUNE: Thanks to H S Rai <hsraidce(a)iitr.ernet.in> for this pointer. Read the detailed report of the Latex workshop held at Pune, western India during 9-14 July, which was jointly organised by Bhaskaracharya Pratishthana and Dept. of Maths, University of Pune. http://www.tug.org.in/download/pune-workshop-report.pdf or visit news item of the index page of www.tug.org.in FLOSS IN THE THIRD WORLD: Open Source practitioners from Asia, Africa, Europe and Latin America recently got together to produce a manifesto on the role of Open Source Software (OSS) in the development cooperation context. Asking all stakeholders to pay more attention to (FL)OSS, they argue that it has a special importance when viewed, used and produced in the context of development cooperation and should be employed wherever possible. http://sarai.waag.org/display.php?id=28 E-BOOK: Prashanth CM <prashpro(a)yahoo.com> has announced his e-book on the Vieditor. Says he: "I have compiled an e-book on using vi-editor. Please go through this book and please send me comments. I know there are lots of corrections (required)..." Contact him for details. GIMP AND CMYK: Subash Jeyan <nsjeyan(a)vsnl.net> notes that one of the major cribs about the gimp has long been that it doesn't support cmyk colour space. Now, says he, there is a plug that addresses this partially. If you're interested, have a look at: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/projects/separate-0.1.tar.gz HONG "FRED" FENG, one of the active Free Software proponents in China whom some of us here in India are in touch with, says: "My work in Koretide will be ended on Jul 20, 2003, so pls redirect the emails to me from the list to hongfeng at gnu.org" AN iLINUX DISTRO: Jyotirmoy Saikia <jyotirmoy_saikia(a)yahoo.com> of PicoPeta Simputers (Bangalore) informs that IIT Kanpur has released an iLinux distribution. Please check the site: http:///www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/isciig and go to the link "download Indian Linux" MALAYALAM DESKTOP PLAN: Dileep M Kumar <dileep(a)kumarayil.net> says they are working on project to create a Malayalam desktop for GNU/Linux. Says he: "We believe MGL may help to popularize 'Freedom' into Kerala in a minimal way. We are looking for volunteers to help us to translate more applications. As a first step we are concentrating on GNOME now. Take a look at http://smc.sarovar.org" RESTLESS SOUL TREVOR WARREN FROM MUMBAI <trevorwarren at softhome.net> has come up with a new initiative -- building libraries of freely sharable Free Software. He's looking out for anyone to sponsor/sell at a reasonable rate, the following distros: * Debian * SuSE * Gentoo * Knoppix(en) * Yellow Dog * Slackware * Red Hat + SGI XFS * Lycoris * Mandrake (older releases) * trustix * turbolinux * LDP(www.tldp.org) * FreeBSD 5.0 * OpenBSD * Collection of FSF-OS ebooks-docs. * NetBSD * etc related to FSF-OS. Can help? Write to Trevor with a cc to "trevorwarren at softhome.net". Says he: Donations are welcome or if that isn't possible just lemme know the cost of the cd's and i will pay for the same. This is a bit urgent. FLOSS IN AFGHANISTAN: BBC recently reported that the United Nations is training civil servants in the intricacies of FLOSS software to help them get government computer systems up and running. The first civil servants to complete their training in Linux went back to work earlier this month. The UN hopes that training government workers to use [GNU] Linux will help the country close the technology gap that separates it from many other countries. Broadly free, Linux is becoming a favourite among many organisations who want greater control over what they can do with software. In contrast to Microsoft operating systems, Linux gives programmers much greater flexibility to scrutinise the core of the program and to adapt it to their own ends. FROM KERALA, Mahesh Pai <paivakil at vsnl.net> informs of a report in the local newspaper *Mathrubhumi* (page 11, Kochi edition, 17 July 2003) that sees the Opposition leader VS Achutanandan raise questions about the role of Microsoft in the IT@School project. The translation reads: "One of allegations raised by Achutanandan relate to the 'project siksha' of Microsoft which is part of the IT@SCHOOL. The project is worth Rs 10 crore (100 million rupees). It was made clear in the agenda note given to the general body that an IT academy will be set up in 3000 Square feet space and and teachers will be trained (here) to use Microsoft products. However, the leader of opposition pointed out that it is made clear in the agenda note that the 3000 sq. ft. space in Technopark, Thiruvananthapuram, which would fetch rent of Rupees 6,84,000 is to be handed over to Microsoft for mere one rupee. He also stated that due to the training, the teachers will be able to use only Microsoft's products." It adds: "At the same time, authorities of IT@SCHOOL informed that there is no block to use of 'swatantra' (Free) software in the project. But the problem is that there would be no training support available. They also point out that the government has directed that there shall not be any new appointments for the training." SCRIBUS 1.0 IS OUT: Programmer Franz Schmid has released Scribus 1.0 - the Linux Desktop Publishing. Two years in development and available in 17 languages, Scribus represents the first open source DTP application capable of generating professional "press-ready" results. Unicode support including support for right to left scripts. Can export CMYK separations and "press-ready" PDF including PDF 1.4 features such as transparency. Scribus Home Page: http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/ and mirrored at: http://scribus.planetmirror.com LIC OF INDIA SHIFTS TO FLOSS: The Life Insurance Corporation has shifted to a Linux operating system on the heels of pinpricks experienced with a Unix system, according to LIC officials. At a media gathering to introduce LIC's new pension policy, Mr R.R. Nair, Additional Zonal Manager, said "we are shifting over to Linux; almost 75 per cent of the branches have shifted". http://thehindubusinessline.com/stories/2003071501310700.htm PUNJAB LINUX USERS GROUP: Jaspreet Willy <plug(a)linuxmail.org> has started a user group for the Punjab region. Check out the Punjab Linux Users Group website: http://www.plug.willywings.com IN THE HOSPITAL: Dr G Parthasarathy <gpartha72 at vsnl.net> from a Kochi hospital in South India writes: "I am a pathologist, also the IT Officer and Sysadmin of the hospital networkj of a 316 bed hospital in Kochi. We are currently running NT 4.0 with a proprietary hospital management software on the hospital's 65 node network. I am not quite happy with the state of affairs and want to port it all to Linux which is more robust and much cheaper a solution. I wish to learn more about other hospitals like Breach Candy who have used GNU/Linux with Open Source Hospital Information Systems on their hospital networks." DR BUD P BRUEGGAR (bud at sistema.it) of Sistema (www.sistema.it) in Italy writes in to suggest: "Probably the most complete site on open source in health-care can be found at http://www.euspirit.org/. Among other resources, there is a software index at http://www.euspirit.org/list.php. FROM THE IIT-BOMBAY, Prof Siva <siva at iitb.ac.in> says: "Thanks much for the mail about FLOSS in Asia.... Regarding interesting work at IITB, let me start with two students (who can later put you in touch with others). Nandan Dixit (nandan at cse.iitb.ac.in) see xmmsmplayer.sourceforge.net for his work and Nilesh Bansal (nilesh at cse.iitb.ac.in) along with others is working on KDE localization." See http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~siva WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SIMPUTER FRONT? Perhaps the FLOSS lobby has been guilty of ignoring it. Edward Cherlin <edward.cherlin at etssg.com> explains all the way from the US that Africa Digital Bridges is the Simputer distributor for the Middle East and Africa http://www.simputerland.com/appmaster/m.partners.view.asp?pcode=AA0024 Cherlin is also setting up to recruit development partners for Simputer applications in the US. Says he: "I have Simputers here in Silicon Valley, and can demonstrate them for you. You can find Encore's European partners at http://www.simputerland.com/appmaster/m.partnerlist.asp" There is also "a lot" happening in development and field trials. Says he: "I am working with a developer of literacy software in the US to produce a Free Linux version. The current program is for US English only. It can easily be adapted to other forms of English, and we will work on software for other languages as well." FREE SOFTWARE, AND THE WORLD SOCIAL FORUM-4 IN MUMBAI: Diego Saravia <dsa at unsa.edu.ar> writes in from distant Argentina to say: "I am searching for people in india related to the World Social Forum and Free Software, I see your bytesforall.org web site and I wonder if you could help me." Incidentally the WSF4 is being held in Mumbai(Bombay)-India in early 2004. Free Software advocates hope to deploy their solutions and raise issues at this global meet of activists there. See www.hipatia.info - info(a)hipatia.info - www.fsm.hipatia.info Fsm2004 mailing list Fsm2004(a)hipatia.info http://listas.hipatia.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsm2004 JOIN OUR Latin American (and other) friends in an initiative to harness the power of Free Software for free speech and knowledge! Writes Martin Olivera <martin_olivera(a)yahoo.com.ar> from Argentina: "At first (this mailing list) was intended to organize the Hipatia (www.hipatia.info) participation in the WSF4 (World Social Forum 4). The main objective of Hipatia is the freedom of knowledge, leveraging free software as the key tool to do this. In this way, this list would like coordinate efforts to fulfill WSF4 software necessities (web, mail, communications, news, virtual spaces, anything...) using only free software, cooperating worldwide." WSF4 is to be held in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) in January 2004. Do join this mailing list. It is open to everyone who could participate anyway for this: coordination, local (India-based) support, resources, free software selection/development/adaptation, content manmagement..." What possibilities we think of is restricted only by your imagination! FN List-Subscribe: http://listas.hipatia.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsm2004 OR mailto: <fsm2004-request(a)hipatia.info?subject=subscribe> AT SCHOOLS, IN GOA: Daryl Martyris <dmartyris(a)hotmail.com> of the Goa Schools Computers Project says that 20 schools use the LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) solution in Goa. "About 40 more use standalone Linux, and about 40 use Windows This link might give you an idea of cost comparison's - http://www.gscp.org/linux.htm " INDIAN LANGUAGE TOOLS: Prof Nagarjuna G <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> reports that a team of students are to be working on Indianisation of Mozilla. Says Sayamindu Dasgupta <unmadindu(a)Softhome.net> : "I have no idea about the coding procedures followed by the mozilla developers. However, I guess, it might help if the students take a look at the sources of already working tools (for Indian language computing), like Yudit, QT 3.2, Pango, etc." MAKING FLOSS SPEAK IN INDIAN LANGUAGES: Want to get GNU/Linux to speak your language? Visit the web page below that will tell you what are the words you need to translate http://www.indlinux.org/downloads/gnomegloss/GnomeGlossary.csv IN HINDI: Dinesh Shah <dinesh at shahmicro.com> writes: "We have GNU/Linux - Hindi Edition - Milan ver 0.5 CDs with us. This is a bootable CD based on Morphix. You can use it as demo CD or if you want you can install it on the harddisk. Those who are interested can buy it from me or Mr. Venkatesh Hariharan @ Rs. 30 each. We can mail it any where in India @ Rs. 50 inclusive of delivery charges. To learn more about Milan 0.5 CD, pls visit http://www.indlinux.org" Phone Shah +91-98213-11906 +91-22-56919423 PROGRESS OVER HINDI FONTS: Young font and web designers Avneesh Chhabra a.k.a. The Virus Shivaas Gulati a.k.a MaRiAnZ RuLe say "At last, after weeks of hard work filled with successes and failures, we have finally done it. We have come up with a new font that is totally handwritten. Feel free to use it anyway you want. Released under the LGPL license. Hope to get some good feedbacks. You can download the font from the ilug-d website's download section or from www.msmschool.com/hindi freehand.ttf They can be contacted via email fontdudes(a)rediffmail.com FREE FONTS: Want to create fonts on GNU/Linux? Check http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ S2S2 INITIATIVES IN KERALA: Sujeevan Pullanhiotan <sujeevan_p at rediffmail.com> reports that in June 2003, the Swathantra Software Solutions & Support( S2S2) conducted GNU/Linux awareness program at various colleges and schools in Kannur district of Kerala. Talks on "Free Software in Education" and demonstration on GNU/Linux system using Knoppix 3.2 bootable CD was arranged at all places. "It was well attended and appreciated by all," says he. A one-day orientation was held for 115 school teachers from government schools in Kannur and remote Wynad participating. A seminar on Free Software, Its Philosphy was held at Mahatma College, Iritty, Kannur, besides others. Feedback: "Programes were successful, in the sense that people at large got an idea of what free software is all about and what its impact will be on society. Both students and teachers were overwhelmed by the number of applications and packages available in GNU/Linux. For almost all of them, the use of computer is limited to only word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, music and movie playing. Students were found to be better in learning and trying out Linux. Teachers have a different complaint -- they would like to try out GNU/Linux in schools, but the school IT syllabus specifies properitary packages..." http://s2s2net.netfirms.com PUBLIC SECTOR FREE SOFTWARE INITIATIVES: Mitch Kapor and others have just announced a web site for public sector free software initiatives called http://www.opensector.org LINUX, TO THE FIELDS: J S Sandha <jsandha at vsnl.net> has been trying to weave two fields -- ICTs-for-development and R&D on agricultural tractors. Sandha would like to take a project www.jagriti.com over to using GNU/Linux-based networks, with no licensing issues and workable on lower PC configurations. www.jagriti.com CRITICAL FEEDBACK: Suman <mansu at gmx.net> has some critical feedback for the sarovar.org and the Project Resource Centre (http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc) initatives. Writes Suman: "It's good to see such sites coming up but i hava a few suggestions regarding this. As usual from the mail I see that nothing is different from sourceforge. These days the software that is being developed and hosted is pretty bloated, or they do not have any use or miss important features. Above all most of the work is being duplicated. Hence most of the free time of developers is wasted on projects which meet the needs of very few people and which in many cases is inadequate to do the job. Linux is maturing now so should the applications. Sarovar.org should be different. Why not host a module where people pour in their ideas so that interseted others can take them and work. PRC achieves this to a very small extent but it is no more helpful because it doesn't help answering the larger question.... The site can also host TODO lists of various projects seperately. In addition to the ideas that flow here another thing that could be done is the person who gives a suggestion should also give an idea of how to do it which helps the developer take an instant decision. Also, if some KDE/GNOME gurus put their ideas in they can ask people to write components which can be used by other programmers like bonobo for gnome. If the ideas are easy to formulate many engg. students will take it up for their projects. jus my two pence worth." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR INPUTS and criticism to this newsletter are welcome. Contact us at fred at bytesforall dot org COPYLEFT 2003. 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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Wine
by Chirag Wazir 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

Hi, On 22 Jul 2003 "joel_divekar" <joel_divekar(a)indiatimes.com> wrote: >S.O.S. Can anybody guide me how to use MTNL Telephone >directory CD using wine. >I am also open for any other alternative solution. As an alternative you could just use the data. The last time I used the MTNL CD - a couple of years ago - the data was in standard DBF (dBase) files. I presume the data is still in that format. There are several ways to access DBF files under Linux.... Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] encryption & decryption of file
by Chirag Wazir 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

Hi, On 22 Jul 2003 Sabu Thaliyath <sabu_linux(a)softhome.net> wrote: >I want to encrypt a file in Linux and decrypt it in Windows >that is my encryption code in gcc and decryption code in VB/VC.... Blowfish or DES should be fine for this sort of stuff. Take a look at these: http://www.eskimo.com/~weidai/cryptlib.html http://www.virtualunlimited.com/products/beecrypt/ On 22 Jul 2003 Anand Kumar Saha <anand.kumar(a)gavsin.com> wrote: >how critical is your data? why not use the XOR encryption ? >though its simple, its very hard to break with a PC. This is NOT a good idea. XOR is relatively trivial to crack - AFAIK the only way to make it secure is to make the pass phrase as long as the data to be encrypted. In fact, if you encrypt binary data with a short password, any string of zeros in the data will encrypt as the password and make it visible for all the world to see! Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Running servlet on apache server.
by P.T. Bhandari 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

Hi All, I have RedHat 7.2. My website contains few ASP pages and few java servlet classes. I am a newbie. I don't know how to run my website on apache server successfully. My Apache server is working fine. But i am not able to view ASP and servlet pages. What i should do? Please help. Bhandari

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] internet - a basic requirment
by Chandrashekhar Mullaparthi 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

Hi, > -----Original Message----- > From: Anand Kumar Saha [mailto:anand.kumar@gavsin.com] > > i think cable lines are the future. and reliance already has a nation > wide optical fibre link. Their infrastructure can support much more > bandwidth than they are using now. cable would be very good - but without a critical mass of users, there wont be a demand for more bandwidth. If there isn't a high demand, it wont be cheap...cable modems are more expensive as well. But then again, I think cable could become easily accessible with a push from the government, as has happened in South Korea. They have one of the highest penetration of broadband thanks to a Government program. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/27587.html > so we need more zenith like vendors. assembling/(getting assembled) > is always a cheaper proposition. actually now PCs _are_ penetrating > homes and business. question is to connect them to the internet. Hmm...I dont think assembling is really an option for the average household. Getting assembled - yes. That is what I meant by a desi-Dell, someone who is big and assembles kit and has a few standard configurations which fulfil different needs. Chandru NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Running servlet on apache server.
by Chandrashekhar Mullaparthi 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

I'm no Java expert (because I hate it) - but I think you need an application server like Tomcat to run servlets. And ASP pages are a M$ thingy, isn't it? They probably will only run on IIS, I think, but I might be wrong. cheers Chandru PS: Sorry about the HTML email, I would disable it, if I could :-( -----Original Message----- From: P.T. Bhandari [mailto:bhandari@jnport.com] Sent: 22 July 2003 08:42 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Running servlet on apache server. Hi All, I have RedHat 7.2. My website contains few ASP pages and few java servlet classes. I am a newbie. I don't know how to run my website on apache server successfully. My Apache server is working fine. But i am not able to view ASP and servlet pages. What i should do? Please help. Bhandari NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] internet - a basic requirment
by Anand Kumar Saha 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

hi, > You are right - but before that, if telephones are made a basic requirement, > that will automatically enable access to the internet. But I suppose it > is now easier to get a telephone line now that private operators are > in the business. i think cable lines are the future. and reliance already has a nation wide optical fibre link. Their infrastructure can support much more bandwidth than they are using now. > Then we would need some desi-Dell to make cheap Linux machines. > And some big store(s) to start selling those machines with a credit > facility. I think shelling out ~20K upfront is still a big hurdle for > many in India. But if they were just asked to pay about 5000 upfront > and about 600 every month? > How much does it cost(in India) anyway to build a low end Linux machine > i.e 5/10GB hard-drive, 256MB RAM, 15" monitor, CD-ROM drive, modem... > How expensive/cheap/easy/difficult is it to make the TV as a display unit > (instead of using a CRT monitor?) - will it save money. Lot of people > have TVs! Is the quality any good? Anyone tried it? so we need more zenith like vendors. assembling/(getting assembled) is always a cheaper proposition. actually now PCs _are_ penetrating homes and business. question is to connect them to the internet. anand

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] internet - a basic requirment
by Chandrashekhar Mullaparthi 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

You are right - but before that, if telephones are made a basic requirement, that will automatically enable access to the internet. But I suppose it is now easier to get a telephone line now that private operators are in the business. Then we would need some desi-Dell to make cheap Linux machines. And some big store(s) to start selling those machines with a credit facility. I think shelling out ~20K upfront is still a big hurdle for many in India. But if they were just asked to pay about 5000 upfront and about 600 every month? How much does it cost(in India) anyway to build a low end Linux machine i.e 5/10GB hard-drive, 256MB RAM, 15" monitor, CD-ROM drive, modem... How expensive/cheap/easy/difficult is it to make the TV as a display unit (instead of using a CRT monitor?) - will it save money. Lot of people have TVs! Is the quality any good? Anyone tried it? cheers, Chandru -----Original Message----- From: Anand Kumar Saha [mailto:anand.kumar@gavsin.com] Sent: 22 July 2003 07:14 To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in; ilug-cal(a)ilug-cal.org Subject: [ILUG-BOM] internet - a basic requirment hello everybody, shouldn't the govt. start considering the internet as another basic requirment, like electricity and water. the open/free source movement has been possible due to the internet. and when we talk abt reaching every corner of india to benifit each and every ppl with the outcome of such a movement, the internet is going to play the major role. shouldn't we press the govt. to declare the internet service as a basic requirment, just like electricity ? anand saha -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information.

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