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a short IRC intro/howto
by Bhargav Bhatt 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

The_Linuxer is of the opinion that "but the problem is that ... no matter how big geeks are they in linux, most are new to IRC"..."you should write a How-To on IRC & post it on the LUG". So i wrote a howto. However, I don't want to clutter all your mailboxes, so it's available here http://www.bhargav.com/Linux/irc.html This is *NOT* a tutorial/detailed HOWTO on using IRC. You can use google for that. This is simply a document to help you get started on IRC if you are unknown to it. Read it and get started on your way to becomig an IRC-junkie :) -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- http://www.bhargav.com -- The search for truth is more precious than its possession. --Albert Einstein (03/14/1879-1955)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] a short IRC intro/howto
by The Linuxer 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

> >huh? linux geeks who don't know IRC? what is this world coming to? > Well, that's my personal opinion which formed after talking to the few Luggers who came to the #ILUG-Bom IRC Channel. By the way, I never saw you on the # ... what happened to you ? ;-) _The Linuxer_ ======================================================================== Linux is like living in a Teepee. No Windows, no Gates, only the Apache inside. [Thanx ramanujan] ======================================================================== thelinuxer at hotmail dot com (sed -e's/ \+at \+/@/; s/ \+dot \+/./') _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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NEWS: GNU/Linux, Microsoft war at Kolkata IT fair
by FN 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Linux, Microsoft war at Kolkata IT fair By Krittivas Mukherjee, Indo-Asian News Service Kolkata, Jan 23 (IANS) An IT fair beginning here Friday is promising to turn into a battleground for users of software behemoth Microsoft and Linux as both propagate the benefits of their operating systems. COMPASS 2003, being organised at the Netaji Indoor Stadium by the Computer Association of Eastern India, will see the congregation of over 100 companies, but it's the presentations by the Linux users group that promises to be riveting fare. "We will use this opportunity to introduce Kolkata to the GNU/Linux and Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS), and demonstrate and educate that they can be a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows and proprietary software," a spokesman of the Linux users group said. Microsoft, on the other hand, says a study has concluded that in the long run, the cost of systems running Linux as operating system would be "considerably higher" than ones running on Microsoft platforms. "This year the fair, being sponsored by Seagate, will be different in that we will have a focussed event for software developers, resellers and service companies," the fair's chairman B. Hari told IANS. "We have new products in hardware, software and services that will be showcased in the four-day event. The fair will hold a special programme for the channels to discuss the challenges in the market place and on policies of large distribution companies," Hari said. COMPASS generates good business every year, its organisers claimed. Hari said last year the fair generated enquiries worth Rs.2 billion and "80 percent of that converted into actual sales over a period of time". He said this year the fair is expected to generate business worth Rs.2.8 billion. The fair is being held at two venues, the Netaji indoor stadium and Sangam Hall, in view of larger participation this year. While about 100 firms will set up stalls, about 150 delegates are expected to be present at interactive sessions and seminars. --Indo-Asian News Service

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Bouncing mails from list
by Amish Munshi 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Greetins, Whenever i post to this list I get a mail delivery error. I have uploaded the mail at http://myepoch.com/returnedmail Do any of you get errors similar to this? Bye. -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we trust.

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Ruparel Alumni
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

I'm studying right now in Ruparel COllege. Siddhesh

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[OT] [ACM] Seminar on Game AI by Amit Rao @ NCST
by Philip S Tellis 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

ACM Seminar - Game AI Friday, January 24, 2003 - 6:30 p.m. Speaker: Amit Rao Venue: Lecture Theatre, NCST, Juhu Entrance: Free (as in beer) Abstract: Gaming-AI, like any other discipline related to games, evolved away from the strictly academic to a more 'real-time- hack' approach which relies heavily on pre-compiled or hard coded information. This trend has been changing slowly, as more and more processing power is available to the AI module in games. Game-developers have started looking in the direction of academic research and have tried to duplicate their success in fields like graphics, where games are state-of-the-art in terms of algorithms and technologies. In this seminar we discuss some of the initial attempts and problems being faced by developers. We also briefly explore the academic techniques which have been exploited in games and the need for game AI to be different, at least in the near future. About the Speaker: Amit Rao is currently working at NCST as Visiting Software Engineer in the Graphics Division. He is passionate about games in both the player and the programmer sense. He is working on developing a robust game engine for NCST, which is capable of pumping out world class content. His large-scale professional plans have always revolved around games and game design, and so he has a permanent unshakeable belief that this is the right field for him to be in. His interests are real-time 3D graphics and AI integration into the gaming-pipeline. Getting to NCST: see the map at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/contactus/ (the first map on that page)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: how do i change the cartridge of my epson printer
by nici bhatt 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

It might be the case if printer is install on linux system you never know? >From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: how do i change the cartridge of my epson >printer >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:20:22 +0530 (IST) > >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, nici bhatt wrote: > > > This is not fair at all, this is common list for all of us and no one > > is forcibly asking you at personnel level so if you dont want to > >the mail comes into my inbox - that is personal enough. Almost all of >us on this list joined to discus linux issues. If we wanted to discus >other things there are other lists for that. In short, don't use this >list to get non-linux related mails into my mailbox. > >Philip > >-- >"I'd love to go out with you, but there are important world issues that >need worrying about." > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RMS visit
by yash 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

hello everyone, This is in reponse to the article in the Times of India dt. 20th jan 2003 pg.3 stating that the IIT Mumbai is going to host a 3 day tech. fest. from Jan 31st., and among its events, there includes a lecture by RMS. This means that RMS is going to be in Mumbai either on Jan 31st or Feb 1st or 2nd. This leads to the whole schedule of ours into haywire. Yash. Acharya. Note: This is my first mail on this list. So please excuse any mistakes and also guide me into correcting them

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Invitation for TechnoMeet 2003
by imscdr ahmednagar 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

Dear Sir, IMS(CD&R) (Institute of Management Studies Career Development and Research, Affiliated to University Of Pune and Recognised by AICTE), Ahmednagar is organizing TechnoMeet 2003 on 16th and 17th Feb 2003. There would be sessions where professionals from reputed companies like yours, would be addressing the students. We would be very happy and fortunate to have someone represent your company and give a seminar on a topic related to the IT industry. Kindly confirm at your earliest, so that we can make necessary arrangements and schedule of our program. With regards IMS(CD&R) Dr.V.S.Dikonda Director

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[Fwd: Local/remote mpg123 exploit]
by Trevor Warren 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

-----Forwarded Message----- From: gobbles(a)hushmail.com To: bugtraq(a)securityfocus.com Subject: Local/remote mpg123 exploit Date: 13 Jan 2003 10:23:18 -0800 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ___ ___ ___ ___ _ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ _______ / __|/ _ \| _ ) _ ) | | __/ __| / __| __/ __| | | | _ \_ _|_ _\ \ / / | (_ | (_) | _ \ _ \ |__| _|\__ \ \__ \ _| (__| |_| | /| | | | \ V / \___|\___/|___/___/____|___|___/ |___/___\___|\___/|_|_\___| |_| |_| "Putting the honey in honeynet since '98." Introduction: Several months ago, GOBBLES Security was recruited by the RIAA (riaa.org) to invent, create, and finally deploy the future of antipiracy tools. We focused on creating virii/worm hybrids to infect and spread over p2p nets. Until we became RIAA contracters, the best they could do was to passively monitor traffic. Our contributions to the RIAA have given them the power to actively control the majority of hosts using these networks. We focused our research on vulnerabilities in audio and video players. The idea was to come up with holes in various programs, so that we could spread malicious media through the p2p networks, and gain access to the host when the media was viewed. During our research, we auditted and developed our hydra for the following media tools: mplayer (www.mplayerhq.org) WinAMP (www.winamp.com) Windows Media Player (www.microsoft.com) xine (xine.sourceforge.net) mpg123 (www.mpg123.de) xmms (www.xmms.org) After developing robust exploits for each, we presented this first part of our research to the RIAA. They were pleased, and approved us to continue to phase two of the project -- development of the mechanism by which the infection will spread. It took us about a month to develop the complex hydra, and another month to bring it up to the standards of excellence that the RIAA demanded of us. In the end, we submitted them what is perhaps the most sophisticated tool for compromising millions of computers in moments. Our system works by first infecting a single host. It then fingerprints a connecting host on the p2p network via passive traffic analysis, and determines what the best possible method of infection for that host would be. Then, the proper search results are sent back to the "victim" (not the hard-working artists who p2p technology rapes, and the RIAA protects). The user will then (hopefully) download the infected media file off the RIAA server, and later play it on their own machine. When the player is exploited, a few things happen. First, all p2p-serving software on the machine is infected, which will allow it to infect other hosts on the p2p network. Next, all media on the machine is cataloged, and the full list is sent back to the RIAA headquarters (through specially crafted requests over the p2p networks), where it is added to their records and stored until a later time, when it can be used as evidence in criminal proceedings against those criminals who think it's OK to break the law. Our software worked better than even we hoped, and current reports indicate that nearly 95% of all p2p-participating hosts are now infected with the software that we developed for the RIAA. Things to keep in mind: 1) If you participate in illegal file-sharing networks, your computer now belongs to the RIAA. 2) Your BlackIce Defender(tm) firewall will not help you. 3) Snort, RealSecure, Dragon, NFR, and all that other crap cannot detect this attack, or this type of attack. 4) Don't fuck with the RIAA again, scriptkids. 5) We have our own private version of this hydra actively infecting p2p users, and building one giant ddosnet. Due to our NDA with the RIAA, we are unable to give out any other details concerning the technology that we developed for them, or the details on any of the bugs that are exploited in our hydra. However, as a demonstration of how this system works, we're providing the academic security community with a single example exploit, for a mpg123 bug that was found independantly of our work for the RIAA, and is not covered under our agreement with the establishment. Affected Software: mpg123 (pre0.59s) http://www.mpg123.de Problem Type: Local && Remote Vendor Notification Status: The professional staff of GOBBLES Security believe that by releasing our advisories without vendor notification of any sort is cute and humorous, so this is also the first time the vendor has been made aware of this problem. We hope that you're as amused with our maturity as we are. ;PpPppPpPpPPPpP Exploit Available: Yes, attached below. Technical Description of Problem: Read the source. Credits: Special thanks to stran9er(a)openwall.com for the ethnic-cleansing shellcode. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wlwEARECABwFAj4jBA0VHGdvYmJsZXNAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEBzRp5chmbAP4gwA oKmMyRIxA74KZfAVv3MsEBKCZxRMAJsFFhywKWzMoiT/Qiy4FV+r1inukA== =OjMp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wj8DBQA+IwO0HNGnlyGZsA8RAuusAJ49gGSCJzKlRpn+7b9vd+GYydWzUQCgjq3Ofe2n WBnlQNf4GeyaFTit5N0= =RBjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: how do i change the cartridge of my epson printer
by nici bhatt 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Hi This is not fair at all, this is common list for all of us and no one is forcibly asking you at personnel level so if you dont want to answer than dont answer but at least do not answer in this manner which cause insult to someone if god has given us two hand than he has also given us brain to think twice before we react to something. So please do not have this kind of practice which causes some one to stop asking any difficulties. >From: vinayak_hegde(a)softhome.net >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: how do i change the cartridge of my epson printer >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:24:21 -0700 > >Pradnyesh Sawant writes: >>my doubt is that i have an epson 480 color stylus printer & i don't know >>how 2 change its cartridge. > >God has given every guy a brain and two hands. Gotta use them sometime >buddy !!! They may rust otherwise. Just try JTD's solution. It will >provide some exercise for your brain and your hands. ;D > >>thanx 4 all the help! > >Yeah welcome. ><sarcasm> >But don't expect us to call you or visit your place. You could >change your alias to doubtBOMB. Your questions have sent us running for >cover. ></sarcasm> > >>Pradnyesh Sawant ( The Doubtfire ) Ph: 27703060 >>B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) 004, Anand Math chs, >>Sindhi Society, Chembur, Sec - 19, Nerul, >>Mumbai 400 071. Navi Mumbai 400 706. > >**************** >Vinayak Hegde >APGDST Student >NCST-JUHU >**************** > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Reg. Squid
by Vinod Bhaskar 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Hi friends, I have installed Squid on my machine and changed the configurations. I am able to browse from the machine which I had installed squid by seting the browser to the proxy address. However, I am not able to browse from other machines which is connected with network. The message coming on screen is access denied at present for the Url... contact your service provider root. Please advice me what are the settings to be changed in access control part in squid.conf. My network IP are of class C type starting from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254. Regards, Vinod.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Job Opportunities on Linux-Marketing at TechnoInfosys Navi-Mumbai
by akshaysalkar 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

what a moron...... linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hi, friends, As All knows Linux is catching up in India, say Govt. or Large or Medium Corporation. or Education... We have our technical Team ready to handle any type of Linux solutions. And We have few hit products of our company some are :- Webmin's Linux Management Console, Internet Management System, Bandwidth Management System, Cache Server and many more... So On behalf of A Linux Company called "TechnoInfosys" , I would like to post Job Opportunities in Linux-Marketing in Navi-Mumbai. So that we can reach max.. places with Linux all around. Two Junior.Sales opening : 1> Having one year of Experience in IT field. 2> Bit Crazy on Linux - Technology ::: Push up ;-) Ready to compare with our competitive products and push our Linux product up. [All who understood Linux are made about its strength] 3> Ready to Convince IT People , Manager with our Linux Products. 4> Have a good knowledge of professional Indian market Scenarios. 5> And many more marketing qualities. We are looking out for people who can join soon :-) Do contact me or my friend on email : - sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com Regards, Deepen Dhulla & Sanjay Gurav deepen(a)technoinfosys.com sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* !!! Let Bring Linux to Every Corner of India !!!. #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using TechnoInfosys LA Mail Solution. http://www.technoinfosys.com/ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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help for RT
by Raj B 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

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Who is RMS... ?
by Frederick Noronha 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I am not so concerned that people raise this question *on* a mailing list. What is worrying however is that this question *is raised* at all by those who are positively disposed to Free/Libre and Open Source Software. Imagine talking about GNU/Linux (or, more often just 'Linux', the term popularised by the media, just like how it has converted the term 'hacker' into something negative) without talking about issues like freedom and the people (and their motivations) who started it all. There are some networks -- in India too -- which would like to pretend as if GNU doesn't exist, Richard Stallman comes out of some fictional book, and that Debian is a fiction of our imagination. Their argument is: we don't want politics. This (the claim of wanting to steer clear of 'politics') is, one could argue, a political stand in itself. By avoiding issues like freedom, just to make this campaign more palatable to business or the mainstream, we are taking a stand which has strong implications for everyone. Any newcomer to GNU/Linux out there wanting to get to know more about RMS, I would recommend reading his biography (Free As In Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software). I'm not sure how RMS views this biography, because in the journalistic style, it tries to be less hagiographical, and in parts critical of RMS, the person and the leader of the Free Software Movement. Nonetheless, IMHO it captures the spirit of the times fairly well... at least it helped me understand what shaped arguably the most collaborative project in humankind. --FN -- Frederick Noronha Freelance Journalist Goa India 0091.832.2409490/2409783 http://www.bytesforall.org Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference

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[Announce] ayttm
by Philip S Tellis 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Announcing the release of Ayttm 0.2.1 You can get it at http://www.nongnu.org/ayttm/ Ayttm is a fork of Everybuddy, and aims to, at first, address its problems: * stability: Ayttm should not segfault when you use it. * intuitivity: Ayttm should be almost instantly usable by my mother ;) * simplicity: almost useless prefs should be hidden, reserved to "advanced" users, and things have to work without wondering what this or that will produce. * (internet) accessibility: Ayttm's CVS and releases should be available 24/7. That's why it's on savannah. Ayttm is maintained by Colin Leroy. * Important notes about this release - There has been a name change. People trying out Ayttm for the first time do not care, but people upgrading from an older version should do the following: make uninstall (in the old version source) mv ~/.yattm ~/.ayttm cd ~/.ayttm perl -pi -e 's/yattm/ayttm/g;s,sounds/ayttm,ayttm/sounds,g' prefs menurc * Bugfixes - code cleanups - some memleaks plugged - some segfaults fixed - Decoding bugs (Utf8 messages in Yahoo!, Utf8 friendlynames in MSN) fixed - Default focuses should be in the first text field of each window - Conversation restoring improved - Default browser changed to mozilla (old code didn't work) - No more log file overwrite when you rename a contact - Font strangenesses (size reset to defaults, ...) fixed * New Features - Name change :) - Bring Ayttm in front in case of duplicate launch - Better lists handling in MSN - Group handling in MSN - Check account validity when adding a friend - MSN smileys are back, copyright free this time - Chatrooms improvements: multiline edit, smiley selector, timestamping, Typing... status support, * and protocol in window title, nicer default name - Ispell dictionnary specifiable - Crash handler (enabled by default) - pops the stacktrace up if Ayttm segfaults -- Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

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This script Block's YM, MSN, BOL!
by Mohan Cheema 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Hi all, I was going through the mailing archive of some site and found the queries regarding blocking yahoo and msn messenger using iptable. There is a small script which I have written to block the yahoo,msn and rediff messenger using iptable. I thought to share it with you all as it might help some one on the list to block them. u can download the script from http://www.linzsystem.com/iptmess.tgz Took around a week to compile this huge list of servers and it definitely works Mohan -- "...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer* being struck by lightning." (By Matt Welsh)

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ILUG-Bom IRC Channel
by Bhargav Bhatt 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Ilug-Bom now has it's own IRC channel. We are called #ilug-bom and are located on irc.freenode.net - Home of many popular open source projects' channels. To learn more about IRC go to http://www.irchelp.org. For the ignorant people, IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat. It's a medium which offers the opportunity of Real Time communication between a large number of entities - Basically, the biggest collection of chat rooms. To connect to IRC you need a client like X-Chat, BitchX, KvIRC, mIRC(for Windows users) etc. To connect to freenode type /server irc.freenode.net Once you are connected, type /join #ilug-bom That should get you into the channel. If you have a constant connection to the net, please come and stick around, as we would like to see this # grow. Hope to see you all there. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- http://www.bhargav.com -- Linux is like living in a teepee. No Windows, no Gates, Apache in the house.

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mgetty compilation options
by Abhir Joshi 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

How do I find out whether the 'mgetty' binary installed from its rpm is compiled with -DAUTO_PPP or not? Or going further and generalizing, how do I find the flags that were used to compile a binary? I have configured my machine as a dialin server. Currently, mgetty accepts the username and then calls /bin/login to accept and authenticate the password from the peer. But I want pppd to authenticate the peer rather than /bin/login. So mgetty should call pppd rather than /bin/login. The file /etc/mgetty+sendfax/login.config has the option for doing this. But a comment in the file says that mgetty has to be compiled with -DAUTO_PPP option for it to work. I suspect that the currently installed mgetty binary isn't compiled with -DAUTO_PPP because even after enabling /AutoPPP/ in login.config, the remote client still gets a bash prompt after authenticating which indicates /bin/login being called. I read the installed mgetty documentation but it doesn't say anything about the AutoPPP option being used while compiling or not. -- Abhir Joshi http://education.vsnl.com/abhir/

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samba configuration
by sameer shinde 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

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how do i change the cartridge of my epson printer
by Pradnyesh Sawant 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

i wud first of all like 2 tell u that i'm new 2 linux & have just started using it full time. so i request u all 2 plz forgive my so many questions in the past few mails. i don't want 2 give the impression, that i'm a good 4 nothing guy with no work 2 do other than ask questions. but i feel that the questions that i ask are of very trivial nature & will help me a lot in getting a strong foothold of my newly discovered OS. my doubt is that i have an epson 480 color stylus printer & i don't know how 2 change its cartridge. thanx 4 all the help! -- Pradnyesh Sawant ( The Doubtfire ) Ph: 27703060 B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) 004, Anand Math chs, Sindhi Society, Chembur, Sec - 19, Nerul, Mumbai 400 071. Navi Mumbai 400 706.

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Re:[ILUG-BOM] Performance vs. "Easibility" (was deleting oversi...)
by Nosferatu 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:20:41 +0530, Tahir Hashmi wrote: > I'd rather prefer going through some pain on my part than have > thousands of users pay the performance price. Nor do I want to > pay the performance price myself, so my PC doesn't have a JVM. That's exactly the point! If you want performance, then C/C++ or Assembly(!) is better. But, that takes a long time to code and debug. Whereas, doing things in a more higher-level abstracted language makes development and deployment easier. So, basically the choice depends on the requirements. You might want to look at the different scripting languages available out there and decide which one to use. It's not very difficult to implement a solution like this one. Why, maybe you could try out the Korn Shell - it has support for regex, sockets and other goodies built-in! Nosferatu

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Re: [OT] Performance vs. "Easibility"
by Amish Mehta 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Rahul Saxena wrote: >Amish Mehta wrote: >> In my opinion, for a good programmer, with good knowledge >> on libraries available and how to use them, C program is >> much easy(, faster, etc.) to develop(with power and performance) >> than Java. > >I am not really sure of what you are saying.. because PC is JUST ONE platform. >there are plenty of others.. >and linux is written in C dosent mean everything else has to be, especially I am not sure what you are talking too! ;-). I am trying to compare C and Java, based solely on my experience. What I meant is OS, if we all use/fix GNU/Linux as OS then do we really need Java? Because Java programs are slow and my experience is that C programs can be written faster than Java. Also as far as I know, Java is written in C too. Amish. P.S. I agree many would debate, so I say its my opinion, experience and belief.

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my cdrom is giving problems?
by Pradnyesh Sawant 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

i have a samsung 52x cdrom drive, which has recently started giving me problems it used 2 work fine with my previous rhl7.1 installation.now i use rhl7.3. whenever i try 2 use the "eject" option after right clicking the cdrom icon on the desktop, the hdd is accessed for some secs, then the cdrom light glows for some secs, but the cdrom tray doesn't open. the same thing happens even if i try 2 manually eject the cdrom tray by pressing the button below the cdrom tray. i don't seem 2 understand the problem. the cdrom drive is 2 yrs old, & i haven't done ne cd drive cleaning since. is it bcoz of this? also plz throw some light as 2 how do i clean the cdrom drive. -- Pradnyesh Sawant ( The Doubtfire ) Ph: 27703060 B.E. I.T. (V.E.S.I.T.) 004, Anand Math chs, Sindhi Society, Chembur, Sec - 19, Nerul, Mumbai 400 071. Navi Mumbai 400 706. -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Performance vs. "Easibility" (was deleting oversi...)
by Tahir Hashmi 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 Manish Jethani wrote: > Tahir Hashmi wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:41:50 +0530 Manish Jethani wrote: > > > > > of C/C++'s "unspecified", "undefined" (nasal demons) and > > > "implementation-defined" things have well-defined > > > equivalents in Java. > > > > Use a compiler from just one vendor and use it for just one > > Just one vendor?!! Now you've started misguiding people, man! Do all Java compilers implement the specifications as they are? Don't specifications change with versions? Are all JVMs alike? Of course, I don't program in Java so I won't know but I heard about VJ++ and Microsoft's JVM bundled with WinXP creating some issues. And I also found this: http://pds.twi.tudelft.nl/timber/jacks.html > You're asking people to go back to their > GCC/SUNWPro/MSVC++/Borland/blah compiler kit and create > relatively unportable/unmaintainable software that ties its > users down to one OS. Yes, because that's what I'd essentially do with Java too. I'd write Java code and it ties users down to a Java Virtual Machine. BTW, I heard about something called "GNU Autotools". They are what enable GNU to provide portability to their software across a wide range of platforms, without much ado. And I won't buy the "unmaintainable" software argument since there's a lot more to maintainability than just a PL. > > My point was that they are not exclusive to Java and certainly > > available in C++. > > How about: "No! They're not available in C++." Eh? Just to remind you: Garbage Collection: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, through GC libraries) OOP Support: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, in-built and more complete than Java) Dynamic typing: Java (yes, in-built) C++ (yes, in-built, plus in-built static typing too) PS: Have you, by any chance, read "Thinking in Java"? Also, I didn't get this message in my mailbox so I had to pick it up from the Archives. This might break threading. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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