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Linux not recognizing VFAT partition (Kernel 2.4.18)
by The Linuxer 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

Hello, I've just installed SuSE 8.0 on my (friend's) P4 running Win2k. I resized the DOS VFAT partitions to accomodate Linux. My Windows (C, E and F) partitions are not being mounted within Linux - it says "VFAT is not supported by this kernel". I know that there is no problem with the kernel itself as I have already installed the same distro from the same CDs on my PC and it works fine. Please enlighten. B. Ghose _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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(kinda) Free Yahoo! pop3
by Nikhil Joshi 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

Hi! just found a gem for Yahoo! mail users the pop3 service is no longer free as you know thats the reason I switched to gmx.net Now I found this http://yosucker.sourceforge.net/ and it retrieves the mail from Y! account. Its ultra cool, it supports multiple accounts too. give it a try ... -- Nikhil Earth,19.12N 73.02E

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Meeting Agenda
by Amish K. Munshi 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

Greetings, The meeting agenda for the 12th is as follows. The meeting is at 4pm. 1. regex and libtool - Philip Tellis 2. Storage Area Networking - Kishor Bhagwat Bye. -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we Trust.

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Linux wish-list
by Nikhil Joshi 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

Hi! Here is a wish-list of the features I would like to have in Linux so as it to be usable/popular among the masses 1. Better hardware support: Let the multimedia k/b, the jazzy 5 button mouse, the fundoo steering wheel work under Linux. 2. Less dependence on root: 2.1 Lets say me and my brother use different ISPs and we would not like to share passwords. How to do that ? I believe there is no viable solution 2.2 My family members would like to install the apps they downloaded from the net (rpm files). How to ensure that they can install the stuff? (sudo ? but they can accidently uninstall some progs that I installed How to prevent that?) 2.3 My system is badly shut and for fsck the shell script asks for the root password. But I'm (the root)not available. The system wont proceed without fsck. What to do now? Note: even with ext3, if the fs is in real bad shape RHL *asks* for root password. 3. Leaner Desktop Environments Personal experience: GNOME/KDE, supposedly default desktop environs are slow (thats an understatement) on Pentium 166/32MB RAM. IMHO Windows GUI is leaner and more intuitive than KDE,GNOME (Caveat: I do not use Windows) I use Fluxbox. It is *only* for experienced users. (OK I'm not claiming to be one ;) 4. Better Software support Unless and until there is support for : Educational CDs (GRE,TOEFEL,GMAT...) Encyclopedia CDs ISP CDs (VSNL dialer CD e.g.) etc. we can be *very sure* that Linux wont be as useful as Windows for students and home users 5. More Games please Frankly majority of teenagers are gaming enthusiasts and understandibly so. Linux does not stand in the competition AFA games are concerned. OK there may be QUAKES and DOOMS but the numbers are nowhere near as those offered by Windows. 6. Better/Easier Development environment OK C may be good for experienced programmers. But I've seen many novice people write good sofware with VB. It is easy (period) 7. The (regulary) irregular crashes Please.. make some feature so that Linux crashes sometimes. It kinda gives you that deja-vu feeling. ah... those were the days :) -- Nikhil Earth,19.12N 73.02E

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linux lunacy, dec22 photos
by Gurpreet Singh 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

they are up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/lunacy/ and ppl who missed that dont crib! jump on the opportunity next time gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Announce] Sendmail: Header & Envelope rewriting howto
by Philip S Tellis 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

Have released an updated version of the howto. It has updates for sendmail 8.11.x get it at http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-authors/philip/docs/Hdr-Env-Masq-miniHOWTO.txt Philip -- Jones' Second Law: The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.

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Re: [PRC] reg DD....any mentors...????
by Trevor Warren 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

RAV AntiVirus has scanned the original mail and found it virus free. The clean mail is attached.

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ftp says No route to host
by Rahul Saxena 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

hi everyone, I am trying to connect to the below address, to upload files iusing ftp, but it fails with the below msg. "227 Entering Passive Mod (212,15,64,96,150,49) Cannot create a data connection: No route to host" whats the problem ? i am using ftp. rahul -- Woodward's Law: A theory is better than its explanation.

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PHP Freelance Developers
by Hitesh Dave 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

Dear Kapil, let me know where to send details ... for freelance PHP developers at what email id ??? regards, Hitesh

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Re: Happy New 2003.....plan for this year
by Trevor Warren 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

Hello luggers, good-morning. Greetings of the season and wishes of a prosperous new year ahead to all of you. I write this mail so as to invite suggestions on the events for the coming year....We ended last year with a bang and drowned in the gnu-linux waters at a linu lunacy trip. But this year we need to have a concrete plan on the following..... --> Workshops --> Gnu-Linux lunacy trips --> Conferences --> Competitions --> National Level Paper Presentations --> App Development Contests --> FSF/OS Business plan Contests --> Corporate workshops These are some very ambitious ideas i have in mind. I would like to use this podium as an idea to proliferate them into your minds. Pls think about the same. We should move from being just passive members of this laid back society and make sure that a minimum contribution from our end goes to the FSF/OS movement towards furthering its cause in our own spheres. Awaiting input from you on the same. Bye for now and have a great day. Trevor On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:45, sachin rase wrote: > May This year brings joy to everybody > including bill and his stupXd will > as i have got power of "ps" & "kill" > the gnu takes us to new hill this is my will > > -- > :) > > ===== > +----------------------------+ > |Touch the limits with Linux | > +----------------------------+ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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venue & time for LUGGERS meet
by Tushar K. Vilankar 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Hi: good morning... can the concerned ppl here in this grp make a post as to watz the exact venue at VJTI & time for the meet on 12/01/03. awaiting a prompt response. PS> i think that some1 had already made a posting 4 this info, but i guess no1 has reverted. -- Regards, Neo [Thomas Anderson] from the "The world of MATRIX which is an simulation & a creation of machines equipped with Artificial Intelligence."

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Windows vs. Linux/UNIX vulnerabilities
by nici bhatt 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Hi Aberdeen Group has published a study comparing the security of Linux/UNIX systems with that of the Microsoft Windows family of products. Aberdeen Group report, vol. 1, no. 35, is dated Nov. 12, 2002, and its a brief but interesting read. I cant post a direct link since you have to subscribe to see the report. But it doesnt cost anything, so I recommend that you go to the Aberdeen site, register, and then take a look at the entire report. site URL www.aberdeen.com even you can go to CERT advisories site to see this. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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[OT] Missing lines in email
by Tahir Hashmi 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Hi all! I got viki's mail with several missing lines in the earlier parts of the message that caused.The only thing that looks a bit different is that there's no X-Mailer header and the Content Type is text/plain format=flowed. Did anyone else experience this, especially Sylpheed users? I'm using Sylpheed 0.8.8 -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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help
by Purnendu Ghosh 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

can u find me a si 6215 driver for redhat 7.2 i need it badly for my office..plz try __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Linux India Initiative
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

On Saturday 04 January 2003 20:41, Nikhil Joshi wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > How did u conclude that i assumed the worms and crashes are imposible. They indeed happen, but are extremely rare in a well configured system. Hence the maintainence costs are very low. > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, jtdsouza(a)softhome.net wrote: > I guess you are assuming 3 things: > > 1. Worms/viruses are impossible under Linux > > 2. There are no free (beer) tools to combat worms/viruses under > Windows It is not the cost of the tool (capital cost) but the cost of putting these tools to work that is very high (service costs). > 3. Random crashes are impossible in Linux > > IMHO *all* these assumptions are misleading and incorrect. 1 and 3 are very rare in GNU/Linux. Morover they require a badly configured system to "infect". If u happen to use Debian u would be quite safe (IMHO). My point was "conversion" must highlight the maintainence and recurring cost aspect not the capital costs. As for the "piracy n religion" bit call NASSCOM if u wanna stick to the law. rgds jtdsouza(a)yahoo.com

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Meeting timings for 12th?
by Amish Munshi 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Greetings, What time is the meeting? Also where is the meeting in VJTI, the location inside VJTI? Bye.

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LTSP
by OSP 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Is there any Indian Company that has implemented LTSP? If yes, where can I find the details on the same??? Ash

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need RHL 8.0 CDs
by sameer shinde 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

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Re: who are we kidding - GNU/Linux replacing Windows
by viki p 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Hey why are we all putting huge efforts to prove something which not in our hand this just pure wastage of time and costly productive man hours as well as Bandwidth. To prove Linux can gain place on common desktop we need to prove that Linux OS is user friendly and to use it as operating system is not a big deal. Logically arriving at conclusion which can prevent this from happening 1 for all the common people the words used like kernel, security, update kernel, access to file system, hacking, worms and troajans Are like out of the world. They dont look for all this when they go and buy a pc for them self. What they look for is how easy it is to use in daily life without much knowledge of pc or operating system. DO WE have this in Linux and I say BIG NO this is not the case. Dont look from your angle try to be on other side and you will find the better justifications for the BIG NO. 2 take example of top senior executives of any organization or any senior bureaucrats they dont have enough time to go and learn something new they are happy with what they have on their desktop so if they can not change then how we are going to change common people. For this you need very high level of efforts to migrate them to something of the same wave length and similar interface. 3 today you say MS is making lot of money from their product I dont understand why this kind of presumption should come across. Check last 15 years of IT industries and try to understand basic business model of all the big IT Company. They have done same things but ball game was different. One of the biggest money makers in that time was on the same track at that time. You know it and I dont want to name it. All the proprietary work use to drag you in the same black hole. sale product at low cost and then cut them in support, what is this dont you think same game but with different attitude. Today if some company is investing n billion dollars in R&D of Linux do you think that work will remain open source? NO I dont think so it will become their technology and they will sell it to recover as well as make n+1 out of n so this is business and every thing is fair as long as you can make money. Today MS is ruling the business as they want. this is because they dont have competitor to stop them doing this. Why Novell Netware failed to sustain their popularity, may be because they could not keep their technology to the mark what users really wanted. At one time there was major Demand of CNE and major public were certified so there was no one to beat Novell on the ground level and MS was in business of desktop marketing and not in server marketing. But still they took chance and introduced windows server product and then see how fast they have improved their technology in just second or 3rd major released of WINNT 4.0 and Novell was almost out of the demand this is not a joke you need to have lot of things to do this. I am throwing light on this because industries have never taken much needed lesson from this. MS can not stop any individual scholar from his development the way Mr. Linus has given us LINUX. Or neither they can stop any big organization from developing their operating system. But all are wasting their time in fighting MS in legal battle and not investing their time and money in developing something which can fight in market with all the needed things at ground level. Today if MS is making money then they are also providing fruit to lots of people just go in market and see how many developer are really working on open source/other project and how many are working on MS platform you will come to know why MS is more successful in business than others. I know their not giving chance to other products to prove but at the end if you or I own Microsoft would have been done the same things what they are doing. It is very easy to become number one but it is very difficult to maintain that position for long I am not at all a person who is pushing MS but rather I am a person who tries to understand the phenomena. 70% of the people in our LUG member must be using MS as a prime factor do they can assure you to migrate to Linux in next 3 month and I say they can not because there are lot of supporting application running which needs to be migrated on linux so guys this is not that easy. Do not take me other way I am not a person who sticks to one particular standard I am working on all the platforms that is Sun-Solaris, HP-UX, SCO-Unix, FreeBSD, AIX, Linux and MS. But our industry is a customer driven, so out 10 projects I am doing 7 are on MS platform. I was been very happy to see lots of mail have been exchanged on this topic and that triggered me to write the root cause of the problem. If at all I hurt you in any or part of the mail then I am sorry but take this positively and think what we should do to make linux more popular rather then abusing something which is beyond our control. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LTSP
by Sanjay Gurav 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

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08 Jan '03

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Help
by OSP 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Is there any Indian Company that has implemented LTSP? If yes, where can I find the details on the same??? Ash

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Re: Re: Happy New 2003.....plan for this year
by Gurpreet Singh 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 Trevor Warren wrote : > >Hello luggers, > good-morning. > > Greetings of the season and wishes of a prosperous new year >ahead to >all of you. > > I write this mail so as to invite suggestions on the events >for the >coming year....We ended last year with a bang and drowned in >the >gnu-linux waters at a linu lunacy trip. But this year we need to >have a >concrete plan on the following..... > >--> Workshops CS deptt at RIT has planned to arrange very specific talks this yr which will take up important topics one at a time. topics like networking, security, LAMP etc etc etc. we can have one expert come down and hold an intensive workshop instead of having too much in one go. >--> Gnu-Linux lunacy trips ahh i loved the first one and would be happier to see more participation in the next one... >--> Conferences >--> Competitions >--> National Level Paper Presentations >--> App Development Contests >--> FSF/OS Business plan Contests for all of the above, there is one perfect platform according to me. Linux Bombay 2003 as we had discussed extensively some time back! Very good thinking trevor! it was gr8 idea to be listing what we can actually do in this new year. regards Gurpreet >--> Corporate workshops > > These are some very ambitious ideas i have in mind. I would >like to use >this podium as an idea to proliferate them into your minds. > > Pls think about the same. We should move from being just >passive >members of this laid back society and make sure that a minimum >contribution from our end goes to the FSF/OS movement towards >furthering >its cause in our own spheres. > > Awaiting input from you on the same. > >Bye for now and have a great day. > >Trevor > > > > >On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:45, sachin rase wrote: > > May This year brings joy to everybody > > including bill and his stupXd will > > as i have got power of "ps" & "kill" > > the gnu takes us to new hill this is my will > > > > -- > > :) > > > > ===== > > +----------------------------+ > > |Touch the limits with Linux | > > +----------------------------+ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Linux India Initiative
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Saturday 04 January 2003 22:55, vinayak_hegde(a)softhome.net wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > > > All American companies do "offshore developement" in > India. We build the software, they sell it, they make > the money. Why not get paid for own work? They make millions > and pass on measly thousands to us. All Those who say > they employ us are wrong. We can sustain ourselves, though > this approach is slightly unrealistic in today,s global > economy. Our domestic potential is HUGE. They depend on us, > not us on them to a very great extent. However we tend to > overlook this "obvious" fact. Could'nt agree more. And pray why is this unrealistic. We are less economically developed because of stupid government policies and monopolies. This has resulted in more than 70% of our tax revenues being frittered away in salaries and sops to sections with political clout. Further the issues of IPR and copyrights are cleverly used by developed countries to keep products out and immigration and labour laws to keep people out. Farm products are kept out in the name of environmental protection (while merrily dumping nuclear waste in africa). In plain words developed countries are more protected than the "protected" un developed countries. So the government must level the playing field by specifying Swantatra software in all government procurement. And we can start by refusing to use closed software (even Indian made). Using imported Swatantra software would not be a problem as it would benefit all those who care to study the source. > > "Swatantra" software will break these shackles by making > computers and software accessible to the common man on > the street. However I may hastily add this is just one of > the factors under consideration. Forward to the Brave new GNU world :-). jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux India Initiative
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Friday 03 January 2003 21:34, Nikhil Karkera wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : > >Come on who are we kidding? > >Do these ppl really care (and why should they?) if theres Linux > >or GNU/Linux or whatever and what is the right (read purists) way > >of The shopowners and home users already use free (read pirated) > >software. While the step is very welcome it would be really good >> to see the lowest denominator using Linux apart from scientists,sarkari babus,geeks Wrong presumption that initial capital costs is the only cost. As usage increases, the costs for maintainence and security of data exceeds the initial capital cost by orders of magnitude (now u know why M$ is trying to change it's bussiness model). This is true for any user. The hassle of keeping out worms and preventing random crashes is what will turn the shop owner and home user to GNU/Linux. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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