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re: [ILUG-BOM] Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Convert the pdf to html using pdf2html http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdf2html/?topic_id=867 Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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.kab to .csv
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all Does anyone know how to export the addressbook.kab to addressbook.csv. Also where does Kmail 1.4.1 which comes with RHLinux 7.3 store its addressbook. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre

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identify all process-id's of netscape!
by Vimala-SP 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hai, I am running Redhat -7.1. Having some specific query related to netscape in linux. when we open multiple netscape sessions, in gui of linux, all netscape sessions are listed under only one parent netscape session. I would like to all the process-ids of nestcape and map it to the netstat results. I have tried all ps options / ".netscape/lock" / "proc/process-id values. If i am missing out something can u tell me. -vimala/.

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something realted to NIC in promiscuous
by Vimala-SP 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hai, My query is How do i identify the status of all nic cards in my mac. I accept ifconfig will do, but how do i find out if any of NICs are in promiscuous mode or not? -vimala/.

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[OT] More MS sec flaws
by Amol Hatwar 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

More security flaws have been revealed in IE, precisely in the way PNGs are interpreted. One of the people who discovered the flaw has even written a poem on it. Find more news here: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137611 The flaw comes after many sites (especially ones titled to Free Software) stopped using GIFs and started using PNG based images. Is this coincidence? Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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DevFS
by Amish Munshi 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hello everyone, I was busy for a few days and had delivary to my account off for the mailing lists. Is there anything very major happenning on the list? I am using Mandrake 9.0 and something called DevFS starts everytime I boot up my PC. It takes approx 30 seconds of time during bootup. I realized that the following in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit causes it to run. # Try to get devfsd if [ -c /dev/.devfsd ]; then if [ -x /sbin/devfsd ]; then action "Running DevFs daemon" devfsd /dev else if ! grep -q "nodevfsd" /proc/cmdline;then # devfs is used but devfsd isn't installed quiet off gprintf " #### your system is currently using devfs but devfsd isn't availlable" gprintf " #### you should disable devfs (add 'devfs=nomount' to the paramaters" gprintf " #### that your bootloader gives to the kernel" # Let devfs being tested, but disable it on /dev action " Disabling devfs (was mounted on /dev)" umount /dev fi fi fi Can I disable it, I do not understand what it is. There is no man or any other info for it. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Generating images through scripts
by Chetan Vaity 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

I want to create simple images (mostly lines and text) programatically. Has anyone dabbled with Gimp scripting to create images? Or can someone tell me another tool/program which does something similar. - Chetan

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[OT] Economic Times Article "Windows far ahead of Linux: Gates"
by Nikhil Kale 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

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Asus V3005
by Satish Alwani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi I havent yet joined ilug yet.. will do so in a while.. if someone can forward me the exact url.. coz the site only shows me a mail login. Anyways.. I have a Asus V3005 32 MB agp (with respect to http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020708/005425.htm l) and I'd like to know if anyone has found a workable cure for this. I am trying to use this on Redhat 8.0 Thanks, Satish ilug(a)assid.com

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FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Philip S Tellis 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file Change 5050 to 23 in there. Same is true for everybuddy - change in the preferences window, or in .everybuddy/prefs gaim too probably. Philip -- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)

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Web publishers face worldwide legal liability
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

A judgment in Australia may mean web publishers face worldwide legal liability, says Dan Tench http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,860512,00.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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OT - Topology plotting
by kishor bhagwat 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

hello guys, I'm facing a vexing problem...one of my colleagues is writing a network mgmt system thats queries our WAN devices, collects info on their 'neighbours' and is supposed to plot the topology of the network. so basically...the input to the plotting program would be a list of: nodeID,{set of its neighbours}

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Check out Developement Languages
by Sachin Rase 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

[Fwd: [Ilugc] developer cd update.] -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC ----------

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I have also been hacked in almost they exact same way you have.
by toeknee 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I unplugged my cracked linux box from my network. I have tried not to tamper too much with the log messages however after reading your thread I to noticed in my .bash_history file there were very many similarities in your story. Let me know what I can do to help. Im not a linux guru but I did do really well in two unix classes I just took so I sort of know my way around. ToeKnee

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject%3

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cannot boot into GNU/Linux
by aditya newalkar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi guys, I am facing somewhat wierd problem. I have Toshiba Laptop (Satellite 1410, Celeron 1.8GHz, 256MB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go Processor with 16 MB VRAM, 30 GB Hitachi IDE Harddisk, Windows XP preinstalled). I partitioned the harddisk using Partition Magic 7.0 into 15GB NTFS C: and 15GB E: FAT32. I installed Redhat 7.2 into that. I made following partitions /boot 100MB / 5GB /usr 3GB /home 3GB /var 3GB swap 512MB actually that much was not needed ... but anyway ;) Now Windows would boot without problem (fortunately) but it would not go to GNU/Linux at all! So I prepared a bootdisk with rawrite and went to rescue mode. I had experimented with GRUB this time which I don't have much idea about ;) In rescue mode it would mount my file system to /mnt/sysimage. To my surprise I found /boot partition empty! No vmlinuz there! Some pages about GRUB had instructed me to type "grub-install" on the command prompt. But that would say "/sbin/grub not found". So I figured probably this was becoz of the mounting the whole file system to /mnt/sysimage. So I saw that grub-install is a shell script I can modify. So I changed some variables to reflect the new mounting. But now it would give message that some file in /mnt/sysimage/usr/i386... is missing! I cannot make head to tail of that message. One mistake that I have done which seems to be quite common, while installing GRUB is I have not labelled the Windows XP partition. Apart from that I got one warning while installing that my architecture may not support the partitioning that I have made. As a GNU/Linux enthusiast I don't want to erase the system that is installed and am trying to find a way to make things work without it as I can. The questions are: 1) Why /boot partition is empty? 2) Why GRUB would not load? 3) What I need to do without going thru the hassels of reinstallation? Thanx ===== rgds, Aditya N. ======= Graduate Student, Electrical & Computer Engineering Department, Auburn University, Auburn AL, USA. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Downloading MP3
by Jeetu Golani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hey guys, Could anyone tell me where I can download a P2P client for Linux that'll let me download MP3 music. Limewire can't connect for some reason (maybe my ISP=Powersurfer, blocking Gnutella??). I'd really appreciate this Thanks

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MS un-denial leaves Linux option open
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Meta Group has made a bold prediction that Microsoft will deliver some server-side software to run on Linux beginning next year, but Redmond's official "denial" leaves the option wide open. It revives a rumor that's been doing the rounds for two years. Starting with .NET, thinks Meta Group, Microsoft will eventually move SQL Server and Exchange to the OS, too. Read more.. @.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28516.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Hi.. I am a new Lugger..
by Dileep Kumar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hello everybody, I am new to LUG Mumbai I am a s/w engr working with Tata Consultancy Services, Borivali Mumbai. I would like to be part of the activities of LUG Mumbai and to spread a word about the greatness of GNU/Linux to my colleagues and friends.I will try to attend your next meeting at VJTI. Does LUG have any program like visiting different companies and schools/ colleges to spread awareness about Open source software. If so I can arrange for the facilities in TCS. Warm Regards dk.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss : Saswata Banerjee & Associates
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. >

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to mo

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > The term .NET is confusing, you are refering to the passport >and other > > > services. Speaking technically correctly .NET is an >initiative... that > > > promises a lot of things. The Linux/Windows interoperability >that I am > > > talking of here is one of them. > > > > DotNet is not just a strategy, it is also a family of >products. It >includes >*snip* >Right on... the products are to implement the strategy... and the >strategy >as I see it will ultimately evolve to hoodwink the users. > > > > > The move to port dotnet to linux platform is another >version of the >same > > > > > > Like I said .NET is NOT a product that you install... its >an >initiative... > > > comprising of a multitude of products and services. >Porting... is some > > other > > > question. > > > > I was refering to the DotNet Server Software and the DotNet >Framework > > including Microsoft Intermediate Language. These will ensure >that all > > software designed for running on the dotnet server and those >made with > > Microsoft Visual Studio .Net RAD tools will work on linux. > >Right on again... M$ wants to reap from the Linux market as well. >Thats >because they know they're strong on desktop products.... the M$ >Office Suite >for instance. They want to sell that to Linux users too. Its like >a dual >strategy. They want to replace our applications and then our OS >as well. > > > > > > > > > > hedging......in case linux becomes more popular on the >server front, > > > > software designed on dotnet platform will run even if the >server is > > > running > > > > linux, and the desktops are windows. Believe me, they will >finalise >and > > > > complete the codes to production level only if linux >becomes too >popular > > > at server level.......Otherwise, it will remain >"experimental" > > > > > > Which OS do you think has the upperhand in server markets >now? :D > > > > True, Linux has a lead in the server market, specially in >large and very > > large applications, webservers, etc. But Windows is catching >on faster >than > > you realise. Futher, dont forget that there is another fast >growing server > > market, which is servers used by (small, medium and large%2

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