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Version Ka Funda
by Nikhil Joshi 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Hi! I get confused by the versioning system of Linux. I would like to know why the versions are so cryptic and not easy to remember and understand like in the Redmond. I guess the general rule is: Software whose version has many odd nos. ---> Bad ( o.k. not so good ;-) even nos.---> Good Am I right? Also I've read that the first version of Linux kernel was 0.1 Why 0.1 ??? when it could have been 1 or 1.0 or whatever Also I've seen that kernels have huge version nos. My kernel version no. is 2.2.14-12 Does it provide any (useful) info ? Please enlighten. -- Women, when they are not in love, have all the cold blood of an experienced attorney. -- Honor'e de Balzac

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] kernel on a processor
by Amarendra Godbole (Intl Vendor) 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

> Has anyone thought of building the kernel into the processor ? > Definitely many must have thought of it. But I have never heard of > a processor with the kernel on it. What might be the > problems in doing this ? Search for `Crusoe processor' from Transmeta Corporation in Google. This the firm where Linus works ! ;) -a -- Amarendra A. Godbole / Spare time LINUX Hacker / Microsoft ``Services For UNIX'' / These opinions are _MINE_. If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you.

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #338 - 11 msgs
by Vishal Belsare 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Just a note... I think it is more proper for people to prefix their subject line with key words like COMMERCIAL, ANNOUNCEMENT, etc. to give a straight idea as to what the post contains. Came across certain posts which can definitely be regarded as commercials, going under names like "Workshop" etc.... people, PLEASE indicate earlier on that it's a commercial. and dint know that we could carry posts on stuff like embedded systems etc. on a linux group too.... guess its time for me to start marketing my CAD on Linux workshops by industry experts on linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in, huh? regards, vishal. "There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." ~ Albert Einstein. ----- Original Message ----- From: <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #338 - 11 msgs : 8. Re: [OT] Workshop on Embedded Systems (Philip S Tellis) : 11. Re: Workshop on Embedded Systems (Pradeep Tapase) : Message: 8 : Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:03:02 +0530 (IST) : From: Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> : To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> : Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Workshop on Embedded Systems : Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in : : Sometime on Jan 16, Pradeep Tapase assembled some asciibets to say: : : > I am attaching a PDF file which containing a detail about Embedded : : While PDF is definitely much better than Word - no macros, no redundant : data, little meta data - it is still preferable to use text pasted : inline in the mail. : : The advantages:.... : Ciao, : : Philip *Thanks Philip for reminding people as to what are usenet ethics.* : Message: 11 : To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in : Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Workshop on Embedded Systems : Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:50:01 +0500 (IST) : From: Pradeep Tapase <pradeept_iit(a)met.edu> : Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in : : A Conceptual Framework for Building Embedded Application : Target : Embedded PC , RTOS : uCos , Domain : Controls , Language : ‘C’ : Designed & conducted by Industry Experts : : Date : 19 Jan 02 – 21 Jan 02 : Duration : 3 days (Sat – Sun – Mon) : Venue : Mumbai Educational Trust, Information Technology : Timing : 9.15 a.m. – 5.30 p.m : Fees : Rs. 6,000/- Per Head : Faculty : Mr.V.M.Tilak & Ms.Ujjwala Deshpande : : Fee per participant : 60000/- : ALL PAYMENTS MUST BE MADE BY DD PAYABLE AT MUMBAI (FOR OUTSTATION DELEGATES) OR : BY LOCAL CHEQUE (FOR DELEGATES FROM MUMBAI) DRAWN IN FAVOUR OF “MET’ S~IIT.” : : Please mail the delegate form, along with your delegate fees on above address : to Ms.Sangeeta Chakravarty at MET’S ~ Institute of Information Technology or : Email: met(a)bom2.vsnl.net.in : Contact: Mktg. Office: 022-6519251 / 6440446 : : Form is available on http://krishna.met.edu/resonance : : Pradeep : End of Linuxers Digest _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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kernel on a processor
by Abhir Joshi 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Hi Has anyone thought of building the kernel into the processor ? Definitely many must have thought of it. But I have never heard of a processor with the kernel on it. What might be the problems in doing this ? Abhir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Workshop on Embedded Systems
by Philip S Tellis 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Sometime on Jan 16, Pradeep Tapase assembled some asciibets to say: > I am attaching a PDF file which containing a detail about Embedded While PDF is definitely much better than Word - no macros, no redundant data, little meta data - it is still preferable to use text pasted inline in the mail. The advantages: 1. It is much smaller. The text version of your document is 7K as opposed to 61K for your PDF. Multiply this by 300 - the number of people on the list. 2. It is readable by everyone. I'd have to start up my X server only to read your PDF. That's a waste for me, and I probably won't do it. 3. No messing around with attachments. Usenet is a plain text medium 4. It is incorruptible. If a couple of bits in your PDF get complemented, the PDF will no longer be readable. The same with text, and there is very little data loss. This is probably irrelevant here, but still. 5. It will stand the test of time much better. What happens when we come to a time when there are no pdf viewers available and the format is lost forever? Reading plain text takes only a knowledge of the character set in use. If that is lost, it won't be all that hard for a cryptanalyst to figure it out. The same can't be said for a data format with structure. We already have problems with the inavailability of 5 1/4" disk drives. Ciao, Philip -- ... The prejudices people feel about each other disappear when then get to know each other. -- Kirk, "Elaan of Troyius", stardate 4372.5

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for and while loops
by Abhir Joshi 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Hi In the source code of some packages, I have seen 'for (;;)' where 'while (1)' could have done the job. Is it related to the efficiency of the code generated ? I have also seen that the a java decompiler generated 'for(;;)' from the bytecode which was compiled with 'while(true)'. Is it that all 'while' loops are converted to 'for' loops internally before compiling? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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zip
by acharya＠dacafe.com 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

hi can anyone tell me how to zip a folder. redhat linux 7.0. say folder is conf priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] bc and bash scripting woes
by Dinesh Shah 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Hi, try SUM=0; for i in `seq 0 10`; do SUM=`echo "$SUM+$i"|bc`; echo -n $SUM ;done here is the o/p... 0 1 3 6 10 15 21 28 36 45 55 On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Parvez Lanewala wrote: > hi luggers, > > > i'm having a problem with the following code... > > --snip-- > > for i in `seq 0 10`; > do > SUM=`echo $SUM+${ARR[$i]}|bc` > done > > --snip-- > > error says : (standard_in) 1: parse error > > although the segment > > echo $SUM+${ARR[$i]}|bc > > works fine outside the for loop. any hints on why and how i can avoid it. > > thanks, > parvez > > > -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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1.Configuring Internet Access via NIC & 2. CDRW advice
by Vishal Belsare 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Greetings all. Need help with a two things: 1. Configuring and setting up my linux box to access internet through a network card (Realtek 8139 chipset) 2. To know whether Acer CRW 2010A CD-Rewriter [ 20x(write) 10x(rewrite) 40x(read) ] is compatible with Linux. would like to hear from people who have used this model successfully or even otherwise. Regards, Vishal. P.S: I would also like to know whether there are any Linux users in the suburb of Andheri, Bombay. People willing to respond please e-mail and dont post on the group. "There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." ~ Albert Einstein. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Red Hat LInux 7.2 : How to Burn Installation CDs
by Vikram .. 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Hi there, I am a Linux newbie. I have downloaded red hat 7.2 via ftp under a windows 98 client and now I have to burn the CDs out of the complete distribution. Can anyone tell me which files to send to which CDs? I am confused about this. Total data is about 3 GB or something. Please help. Greetings, Vikram _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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bc and bash scripting woes
by Parvez Lanewala 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

hi luggers, i'm having a problem with the following code... --snip-- for i in `seq 0 10`; do SUM=`echo $SUM+${ARR[$i]}|bc` done --snip-- error says : (standard_in) 1: parse error although the segment echo $SUM+${ARR[$i]}|bc works fine outside the for loop. any hints on why and how i can avoid it. thanks, parvez -- It's pretty hard to tell what does bring happiness; poverty and wealth have both failed. -- Kim Hubbard

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Exporting a desktop
by Vaibhav Pradhan 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

How do I export a Linux desktop? Vaibhav...

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COMMERCIAL: Qmail/Proxy/Firewalls Training on Linux
by SATNAM 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Dear Sir, Mail, Proxy and Firewall solutions based on Linux being hot today, Preetson's computers is glad to announce a high quality and comprehensive training program on the same on RedHat 7.2 platfrom. This is a no-nonsense course aimed solely at building competency and expertise for servicing corporate clients. The program is conducted by very highly qualified and experienced faculties and professionals. Date of Commencement: 21st of Jan 2002 Number of Seats : 10 only Program Duration : 30 hours Course content outline is given below. Registeration is strictly on first-come first-served basis. For Registeration contact: -------------------------- Ms. Maushmi or Mr. Darius (between 11.00 am to 1.00 pm & 3.00 pm to 5.00 pm only) Preetson's Computers 2, Jyoti Excellency, Opp. Sher-e-Punjab Gurdwara, Mahakali Caves Rd. Andheri (East) Tel: 8372826, 8261159, 8316226 Email: satnam(a)tatanova.com, preetsons_computers(a)rediffmail.com The Program covers these topics ------------------------------- 1. Qmail Installing and Configuring Qmail Configuring POP3 and IMAP4 mailers (eg. Outlook Exp) for Qmail Web-based Administration of Qmail Installing Anti-virus software for incoming mail for Qmail Utilization reports on per user basis on daily, weekly, monthly basis in graphical html format 2. Proxy Server Installing and Configuring Squid version 2.4-stable Configuring Squid for Transparent and Non-transparent proxy Auto/Manual Configuration of IE/Netscape etc. Configuring Password protected access in Squid Proxy Configuring Filters and Access Control in Squid Proxy Configuring Utilization statistics on daily,weekly,monthly basis in graphical HTML format 3. Firewalling Compiling and Installing Firewalls(IPChains/IPTables)Software on Linux Patching and Compiling linux kernel-2.4 with security patches Fundamentals of Packet Filtering Firewalls Packet Filtering Rules Configuration Creating Chains of Filtering Rules Network Address Translation (Transparent Firewalls)

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TV Tuner Card
by Harshal 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

hi, i'm planning to buy a TV Tuner Card. anybody knows which works best [with linux of course :-)] among those available at Lamington Road (mumbai). I don't know much about these cards. please help.

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CD writing trouble- SOS!
by kishor bhagwat 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

I'm using a Memorex CDRW-4224 to write some CDs.The process completes successfully, but when i try to mount them the CDs arent detected in the cdrom drive.I get a "no medium found" message. I'm at a loss to understand why this happens.The log shows nothing wrong except one message : "Warning: drive returns wrong startsec(0) using -150" I've managed to duplicate only one cd successfully using xcdroast, others are wasted.. Can someone tell me whats going wrong..what can i chk? regards, kishor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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Qmail Quota
by Warren Brian Noronha 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

dear users, is there a way i can set a quota for the users on a qmail based mail server. if so how can i do it. where can i find more information on the following topic. Regards Warren Brian Noronha. NobisTech, India. wbn(a)gnuos.org www.wbn.f2s.com

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Debiandistribution
by Amish K. Munshi 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Hi, Does anyone know the difference between all thos difference between the Debian distibution. Potato Rev 4 Woody HURD Slink Sid Which one is better for the developers and household use and to run a few server (not mission critical). Thanks for the help. Bye. -- _________________________________________________________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Feel at home at Linux. Sue it, Praise it, Envy it, but use it since it is the only thing that works. Amish K. Munshi. Email :- munshiamish(a)fastmail.fm If I am online then find me at http://amishmunshi.linux-dude.net Registered Linux User # 254593 @ http://counter.li.org ICQ 85730949 __________________________________________________________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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bash prompt
by Vijay Joaquim Stevens 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Does anyone know if I can use bash and gcc on simputer

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Kernel Version and Driver installations
by Anand Iyer 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

I was tying to install Linux on a real time system (via an external CD-ROM drive with DOS device driver only. So copy files to Hard disk using DOS and then install using the boot diskette. Linux 7.0 official RH pack was loaded. When we loaded the systems device drivers used for real time data acquisition using, we found tat the modules did not get installed due to incorrect kernel version. We had 2.2.16-22 and 2.2.12-18 was required. We got another version of driver for 2.4.2, I loaded the kernel from PCQ (july-Aug 2001) but the PCQ kernel was 2.4.2-2 and even this did not work. The message that I got was that the driver required kernel 2.4.2 while we had 2.4.2-2 installed. Why is this so? When drivers are made for one kernel version then why should it not work with a higher kernel version. Anand

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[LINK] - The Simputer: A handheld for the masses?
by N.D. 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-8441711.html?tag=mn_hd Handheld computers are commonly seen as geek toys for affluent mobile professionals. An Indian group hopes to change that image with the Simputer, a device designed to bring portable computing and the information age to developing countries. The Simputer Trust, a group of individuals from the Indian Institute of Science, and Encore Software are behind the device. Vinay L. Deshpande, CEO of Encore, said the machine is expected to arrive in the second quarter. The finished product, which will run the Linux operating system, will be slightly larger than a Palm handheld but will operate as a simple portable computer. It will use 32MB of flash memory and 32MB of RAM. Other hardware features include a built-in modem, infrared port and USB port for connection with other devices. The interface comprises mainly icons and graphics on a 240-by-320-pixel touch screen. The device also supports text-to-speech capability and will be able to provide voice feedback in local languages, according to specifications provided by Encore Software. Sharp Electronics Singapore has been engaged to provide its monochrome and color LCDs, flash memory and smart cards for the Simputer. At a media briefing Friday, Encore said Sharp will also offer its engineering expertise to help with the development of the device. Sharp's Zaurus handheld, recently rereleased in the United States, also uses Linux. To use the Simputer, individuals will need to purchase a smart card to store personal information. Once inserted into the device, the card will provide access to private information, such as bank accounts. The Simputer will initially be available for government organizations. It will be targeted at businesses and consumers at a later date, Deshpande said. India will be one of the first countries where the product will be made available, he said. Bangalore, India-based Encore, which develops digital signal processor-based software and embedded systems, began the project two years ago, working on the idea of getting rural areas in India networked and connected to the Internet. The Simputer will be used in villages and districts so that small communities can share the device for various uses such as sending and receiving e-mail and carrying out banking transactions. Expected to cost about $200, the Simputer will be powered by three AAA batteries that can offer 6 hours to 8 hours of continuous usage, Encore said. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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qmail backup
by Mahesh Gharat 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Hello everybody, I'm running qmail-1.0.3 on my mailserver (linux kernel 2.4.2-2). I want to backup all the mails(header,body and attachments) going out through my mailserver.Can anybody tell me how to do it? I tried qmail-scanner(actually it is a virus scanner) which backs up all the incoming mails.But there is no provision to backup the outgoing mails. Thanx in advance. -Mahesh Gharat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LINK] - The Simputer: A handheld for the masses?
by Sudhakar Dayal 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Please where can I purchase simputer in Bombay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Does Any 1 Know headphone Speaker in red hat linux
by Sachin Rase 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

hi i am sachin , i am using linux since 2 yr i am having problem wtih my 4 speaker i am able to use 2 speacker properly (the desktop one) but not the head phone plz send me the reply sachin

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Linux Distribution
by Amish K. Munshi 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Hi, Anyone staying close to powai area? I just wanted to make friends with some guys (gals) who use Linux. That gets to a pretty important point. Are there any girls around using linux. Bye. -- _________________________________________________________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Feel at home at Linux. Sue it, Praise it, Envy it, but use it since it is the only thing that works. Amish K. Munshi. Email :- munshiamish(a)fastmail.fm If I am online then find me at http://amishmunshi.linux-dude.net Registered Linux User # 254593 @ http://counter.li.org ICQ 85730949 __________________________________________________________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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startoffice 6.0beta
by Kishor Bhagwat 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

hi guys, I used staroffice 5.2 for the first time yesterday..and i was really impressed. its the first time i saw such an installation on linux...(yeah..i'm more used to ./configure....) But seems like Sun has discontinued beta downloads...so can anyone lend me a 6.0beta copy? regards, kishor _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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