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[OT][crosspost]India's First Freedom Toaster Released
by Anoop John 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Dear All, GNU/Linux users group, Trivandrum (www.ilug-tvm.org) and Zyxware Technologies are conducting a 5 day install fest at Technopark,Trivandrum, primarily targeting the IT professionals working at Technopark.This 5 day mega install fest is being conducted at Park Center, Technopark, Trivandrum from September 1-5. With this event we at GNU/Linux users group, Trivandrum, hope to carry the message of Free Software aggressively to one of the largest IT parks in the country. We have also released India's first Freedom Toaster during the inauguration of this Install fest. This Freedomtoaster was designed and developed by Zyxware Technologies and is being jointly promoted with GNU/Linux Users Group Trivandrum. You can read more about it and check out available resources and photos at www.freedomtoaster.in. The whole concept was based on the original Freedomtoaster developed by the Shuttleworth Foundation. A Freedom Toaster is basically a self contained kiosk that will burn any one of the free software distributions onto user supplied optical media. The freedom toaster serves as an easy way to distribute free software(mainly GNU/Linux distributions). Such a dispensing mechanism is highly relevant in a country like India where unlimited broadband internet is not exactly cheap, whereas the chief source of free software remains the internet. The freedom toaster intends to bridge that gap and thus make free and open source software easily accessible to the public, minimal human intervention being an added advantage. Along with the install fest we are also conducting a technical seminar series on various Free Software topics. Also visitors will have the opportunity to try out different GNU/Linux distributions and also many software including popular Free Software games. There will also be opportunities for visitors to get their questions regarding free software applications answered by experts. Kerala State IT Mission, SPACE Kerala and FSF India are the other partner organizations who are behind this and BSNL is sponsoring the event. Together, we have been successful in organizing similar events in the city this year. We hope that, the event and our freedom toaster initiative will get support from all like minded people all over the country and hopefully this will become an inspiration for other people to take the initiative and further strengthen the free software movement in our country. You can read more about the install fest at www.ilug-tvm.org. We also welcome you to join our mailing list - ilug-tvm(a)googlegroups.com - and help us out with the increasing support requests Cheers Anoop -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.anoopjohn.com http://www.thondomraughts.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Be the change you wish to see in the world", M. K. Gandhi ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Making DVDs videos from youtube.com is that possible using KUBUNTU LINUX tools. Is it legal. Use of Kubuntu LINUX to watch "naughty" sites.
by Erach 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Hi, I noticed that nobody is interested in a secure operating system like Kubuntu LINUX (CD-ROM available in 10 weeks by shipping). But with dual-boot Kubuntu LINUX can one watch any videos and any image sites without getting spyware and viruses and ad-ware -------------- that is very serious --------- some idiots might want to turn off google preferences from advanced to "watch everything" and then type in "naked mary" or some thing. On youtube.com can you make DVDs off videos off youtube.com I mean MTNL is free download at night and some idiot might make a huge DVD off videos of youtube.com Those would show all over the world. Of course, uploads by MTNL are free so nice, decent photos and videos can be posted for free. BUT is all this possible using KUBUNTU LINUX or any other linux. Erach

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foss workshop for hardware vendors
by Kenneth Gonsalves 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

hi, why do hardware vendors recommend customers to go for windows rather than linux? Most common reason is that they know nothing about linux, or are not confident of supporting linux. No one wants to admit lack of knowledge - so they recommend against it. Not evil minds - just ignorance. Check it out here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/56/NW/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/

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windows dlls v/s wine --- would need all older versions of WINE too to run under virtualboxes running LINUX
by Erach 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

From: "Mehul Ved" <mehul.n.ved(a)gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:22:59 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installing Windows applications via virtualbox or WINE On 8/27/08, Erach <erach27(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It seems my Visual Basic, Visual Windows C++ and Microsoft Windows 98 > edition are finally obsoleted if I try to use Wine but not if I use > virtual box. Yes, cos the dll's available in wine are newer. Wouldn't it be the same in case of using later versions of windows? No, virtualbox emulates the Intel hardware and you select the version of the hardware and the guest and host operating system. Then you install your copy of Windows and then run visual c++ and visual basic on it. Do do the same in linux, one would have to run different instances of virtual box on linux, below the virtual box, run different (older) versions of WINE and then the visual C++ and visual basic would run legally under the different versions of WINE. By the way, I did run Microsoft Office under WINE, and TALLY under WINE but the next day they did not run. I wish somebody would come up with an open source / free ERP version / or at least a TALLY. Erach

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Request for the venue for Sep 2008 ILUG-BOM Meet
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

H! Folks, We would like to conduct ILUG-BOM meeting in IITB/KReSIT. Are there in IITian lurkers on the list who can book the venue for Sep meet? Alternately, we would like people from central suburbs (Dadar to Thane) to come forward and offer venue for the next ILUG-BOM meet. The date for next meeting will be either 21st or 28th Sep. 2008. We have following topics and speakers confirmed for Sep. 2008 Meet. 1. Programing with QT by Prashant Shah (Thanks Prashant for coming forward to share knowledge) 2. Advance JavaScript Programing by Rakesh Pai (Thanks for your last and very good session and looking forward to the next one!) 3. Action Plan for Opposing Software Patent (Nagarjuna will brief the community about the topic and status, if he is around in Mumbai) With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 George Burns - "I would go out with women my age, but there are no women my age."

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[OT] Mini Laptop Makers Hoodwink Potential Buyers.
by Rony 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

Hello, I am looking for a good mini laptop with the new Atom processor but find the manufacturers using gimmicks to promote their products. First they announce a product launch by a certain date in order to apply the brakes on the rival products and still there is no mention in the news about the launch. Even during the initial unveiling of the product, they mention very low prices like 300 to 400 USD as the likely price and after the product is launched it is much above 600 USD. For the Indian buyer it is a whopping 10K above the previous rate. Even the iphone 3G is sold at a much lower rate in the US and in India which is price sensitive it is priced too high, almost double. Are people in developing countries richer than those in developed ones? -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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Installing Windows applications via virtualbox or WINE
by Erach 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

I have a comment on virtualization v/s WINE. WINE does not run my old Visual C++ or Visual Basic Compiler which runs on the Windows 98 because it says "sorry the new DLL's of Internet explorer 6.0 or 7.0 are here and conflict with the internet explorer 3.0 dll's of visual basic). So I prefer virtualization. That time, less memory was needed --- so it is easy to run multiple Operating System's on one machine. Of course, one should upgrade to keep enhancing the software ---- but I only want to learn my Visual Basic again. It seems my Visual Basic, Visual Windows C++ and Microsoft Windows 98 edition are finally obsoleted if I try to use Wine but not if I use virtual box. Erach

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Software patents Wiki archive link.
by vivek v 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

This might a bit ahead of the posting of the minutes. Yesterday there was this discussion about bringing together all the issues of Software patents as a whole and find answers. As this effort was initially started in lug Delhi couple of years ago . http://web.archive.org/web/20070311000422/http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/Sof… Original stub, http://kandalaya.org/Docs/patent-faq.html Thanks to Raj Mathur(ILUGD, founder )

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Kindly provide me with xubuntu linux
by Ashish Tripathi 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

Hello friends. Kindly provide me with a Xubuntu linux cd. I stay bhayander,mumbai. Kindly help

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I stay at bhayander. Mumbai.
by Ashish Tripathi 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

I stay at Bhayander, mumbai. Can you help me. My no. Is 9870891889. I can collect it personally or by post will do.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Smart kiosks as an extention to manned counters.
by Rony 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

Abhay Jaykar wrote: > This is all already thought of at > > www.intellvisions.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rony > > I find this technology has tremendous potential for use in various Govt. > as well as private organizations where there are long queues on manned > counters. For example bill payments for MTNL, BEST. The Post Office is > another department that would benefit very much from this. Multiple PO > kiosks inside the PO could offer services like stamps, money-order as > well as registered letters. Just like the current manned counters, you > simply enter the sender and destination address and 2 identical sticker > labels with bar codes will pop out. One is to be pasted on the letter > and the other is the sender's copy. A smart plate on top of the machine > can be the weighing scale for determining the postage as per the weight > of the letter/parcel. The letter/parcel is then dropped inside a > designated box. An extra feature would be to optically scan the movement > of the letter inward as proof of dropping. This kiosk can also be placed > in banks and enterprising shops who can be given....say 5% of all > earnings through that kiosk. so now the Post Office is not far away but > right near your home and the Postal Dept. does not have to invest in > land or office manpower to extend its reach. The same technology can be > used by courier companies too. MTNL's telephone exchanges too can use > these kiosks for bill payments and adding/removing extra services to > their subscription like changing plans, enabling CLIP. The kiosks can be > linked with wireless networking so that it is immune to cable problems. > So any office that experiences long queues for payments can take > advantage of this technology. > > Various kiosks already exist. This idea was to have an extended office counter for Govt. offices and extending their reach and services to new territories without major investments in premises and office staff. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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Provide me with the cd of either Xubuntu-Linux or Puppy Linx.
by Ashish Tripathi 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

hello friends, This is C.A. Aashish tripathi, im in a desperate need of a Linux OS for my pc, whose configuration are as follows: 1. 256 MB RAM 2. PIII Intel Processor 3. 700 Mhz Processor 4. 40GB of HDD. I am looking out for Xubuntu/Puppy Linux but since my internet is very slow I cannot afford to dowbnload it. kindly help me & provide with a CD of it as soon as possible. regards, C.A Aashish Tripathi a.k.a NEEL

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Request to post minutes of the Aug 2008 ILUG Meet
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

Dear Mehul, Please post the minutes of yesterdays meeting. You have taken quite good notes! TIA for your efforts. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Emo Philips - "I was sleeping the other night, alone, thanks to the exterminator."

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Minutes of August 2008 GLUG Meet
by Mehul Ved 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

Date: Sunday, 24 August 2008 Time: 1400 hrs to 1700 hrs Venue: HBCSE, Mankhurd Attendance: The meeting was attended by 22 members from the community Talks: * Rakesh Pai - JavaScript Mr. Rakesh Pai started off the August GLUG meet with an introduction to JavaScript, beginning with the history of JavaScript, how the name JavaScript came about and where it is headed in the future. Then he explained the features of JavaScript, how loosely typed nature of JavaScript enhances creativity, object oriented nature of JavaScript, the available data types, math library. The topic then got more indepth with practical demonstration and discussions covering the datatypes, operators, loops, functions, keywords, deep object structures. The session ended with a small overview of Aptana IDE and Firebug for debugging. * Mr. Sanjay B. - jQuery After getting familiar with the basics of JavaScript, it was time to move on a little higher. Sanjay then intoduced us to a fascinating JavaScript library called jQuery. We started off with names of some popular JavaScript libraries like dojo, prototype, jquery. Then Sanjay put up a demo on jQuery to explain the concepts. Various of useful and fun stuff like getters, setters, event handlers, JSON objects with animate, handling AJAX were covered with examples. Then he covered on the overhead of using jQuery library in your page, cross browser compatibility, documentation, working with CSS. The talk ended with a small discussion on processing.js by John Resig. * Discussion on software patents This section got deferred due to unavailability of Dr. Nagarjuna at this point of the meet. So, Mr. Dinesh Shah took the initiative of discussing what software patents are and why should we care for them. It surely introduced some new attendees in the meet to the real side of software programming, where patents play an important role. Anurag and Vivek Iyyer joined in to explain more on the same. Some of the highlighted points were o hardware-software patent combinations o software only patents are not allowed o effect on mobile industry and opencourseware o can similar software be written on different hardware if hardware-software combination has been patented? o question and answers covered a few years back on ILUG-D wiki on the topic o how LUG as a community can help organisations like FSF challenge the patents eg. documenting the process o publishing of patent information as image PDF's Fixing Namazu: After the talks were done with Anurag and Dinesh Shah started the process of fixing up namazu. Apparently generating index is a long process, so it had to be left unfinished at that point.

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[INFO] Finally Linux catches up in India !
by Chetan S 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

Check out this article on popularity of Linux across the Globe ... http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=340 Surprisingly as per their methodology India comes out on the top !!! regards, C

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KDE 4.1 for debian lenny
by Joju Joshua 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

Hi, lenny backport of KDE 4.1 though not official, it is prepared by the same folks who package kde for debian http://kde4.debian.net/ cheers -- Joju Joshua Zyxware Technologies Trivandrum www.zyxware.com Ph: +91-471-243-7711 Mob: +91-989-587-7134 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------< "Be the change you wish to see in the world" M K Gandhi >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<

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MCA Correspondence Courses
by Jay Mistry 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

I have a background in Medicine; but being interested in computers, esp. use in biostatistics & data analysis; would like to do an MCA correspondence course; to learn such concepts as Basics of computers (hardware)/Operating Systems (UNIX), Programming Basics (eg 'C language), Databases/SQL, etc. Any suggestions for a good course (*correspondence)*? I was thinking of IGNOU & Sikkim Mainpal Univeristy. Have installed the recent openSUSE 11.0 Linux distribution (till now was using only MS-Windows XP & related applications), & learning about Linux basics (that may serve as an intro to Unix OS also.) Thanks,

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Reminder: ILUG-BOM August 2008 Meet
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 23 Aug '08

23 Aug '08

H! All, Here are the details of the upcoming ILUG-BOM meet. Date: Sunday, 24th August 2008 Time: 2:00 - 5:00 PM (IST) Venue: HBCSE, Near BARC Bus Depot, Mankhurd, Mumbai Agenda: 1. Progamming JavaScript 2. JavaScript Framework(s) 3. Fixing ILUG-BOM Mailing List Archive Search (Namazu) 4. Strategy and action plan for countering software patents. Looking forward to large attendance. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms."

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chech_snmp ..... how to determine OID
by Agnello George 23 Aug '08

23 Aug '08

Hi I have installed nagios on one of my server and now i am tring to understand how to query my client machine using OIDs. But i just not understaing is one thing is how does one determine a a OID. I am following a tutorial by http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/linuxoids.htm . But what i don't seem to understand is how do they determin a OID. Can some on help me with the concept of OIDs and how do i come up with my own OID i followed the above tutorial and tried to query my clinet server to get the path where the disk is mounted but was not successful here .. [root@vps libexec]# ./check_snmp -H 121.XXX.XX.11 -C public -o 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9.1.2.1 SNMP problem - No data received from host CMD: /usr/bin/snmpget -t 1 -r 5 -m '' -v 1 [authpriv] 121.XX.XX.XX:161 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9.1.2.1 can some one help me here Thanks a million !! -- Regards Agnello D'souza www.linux-vashi.blogspot.com

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[X-POST] [SECURITY] Hold all Fedora updates
by Raj Mathur 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

If you're running Fedora please hold off updating your system until the Fedora Project issues a new package signing key: http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/1130 Original announcement: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.h… -- Raju -- Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves

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Bangaloreans Say No to Software Patents
by Anivar Aravind 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Bangaloreans Say No to Software Patents http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Say_No_To_Software_Patents/PressRelease On 23rd August, 2008, a group of Bangaloreans is to gather outside Town Hall to protest software Patents under the aegis of Free Software Users Group, Bangalore at 5.30 PM. This protest comes in the wake of attempts by the Indian Patent Office to push software patents, despite the same having been rejected categorically by the Parliament of India in March, 2005. At that time a particular lobby had tried pushing Patents for Software through a Presidential Ordinance. This having fallen through, software patents are now being pushed through the back door in the form of a manual ostensibly to help people file patents. While the draft in circulation glosses over the fact that software is not patentable in law, it instructs people that software patents can be filed in combination with hardware. The manual is trying to permit something that is explicitly forbidden by the Indian Patent Act, 2005. Further, it is amusing the way the manual tries to get around the legal obstacle posed by the Patents Act, by positing a category of "software in combination with hardware" . It leads one to wonder whether software can exist independent of hardware In this regard, former Supreme Court Judge, Justice V. R. Krishna Iyer has commented that "neither the controller nor the central government has authority or sanction of law to publish a manual of the kind put on the website". The Free Software Users Group also would like to point out that software is a form of knowledge and software patents would amount to propertisation of knowledge and would be detrimental to the pace at which software is growing. Software patents further kill innovation and competition and turn software publishing into the privilege of a few. As software today pervades all walks of life, any dent in the pace of its growth would have a cascading effect on the economy in general. The Free Software Users Group also would like to point out to the lobby that is trying to push for software patents through the back door that; * Software is already protected under copyright law, and no additional protection either to individuals or industries is required * Hardware innovations are already patentable under the regular innovations; therefore all innovators are already covered * The current ICT revolution happened with science and technology under public domain and it is important for the growth of software that this remains so. For Free Software users Group Bangalore 1. Anivar Aravind +92 9449009908 /080 23435606 2. Praveen A +91 9986348565 3. Renuka Prasad +91 9901945674 4. Vikram vincent +91 9448810822 PDF Version: http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Bangaloreans_Say_No_to_Software_Patents.pdf Event Posters http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Say_No_To_Software_Patents#Candle_Light_Vigil Digg it http://digg.com/tech_news/Bangaloreans_Say_No_to_Software_Patents Vote for it : http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Bangaloreans_Say_No_to_Software_Patents -- Anivar

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Windows/LINUX development times. Now replying to JDT's response --- firefox v/s windows for WIFI security
by Erach 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi, I was busy. Happy Parsi New Year. JTD replied whose reply I intepret as follows that Windows (am I correct ---- does not have a secure kernel like UNIX)---- then how is Windows security done. Now, for all over Mumbai/INDIA, WIFI can we say that we have to have a secure kernel ---- for banks can one advocate a "develop new applications / enhancements over LINUX development tool with Windows running on top of LINUX using the emulator VIRTUALBOX which is open source). Now the key issue is that has anyone taken a software project of say one year and shown it is cheaper to develop using Windows v/s LINUX for the "easy to use touted set of Windows tool v/s which tool set to use of LINUX". Not over the entire life-cycle, but just over six months time to go live. What if we take a fresh graduate of say visual basic/ASP from a windows school and put him thru linux programming ------ how will the development cycle be cheaper/prototyping cycle be cheaper. Erach

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OSM sprint
by Kenneth Gonsalves 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/OsmSprint add details here -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/

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[OT] small cabinet for miniITX boards.
by Arun Khan 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

I am looking for a cabinet similar to the PC thin clients (the size of a thick oversized book). On Lam. Rd., the smallest cabinet I have found is the iBall Baby 306 or 207. Please share the source if you know of any place that stocks the PC thin client cabinets. TIA -- Arun Khan

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Fwd: Warning: maharya@usindia.com - User unknown!
by Kenneth Gonsalves 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

how many of you are getting this message? Begin forwarded message: > From: "MDaemon at usindia.com" <MDaemon(a)usindia.com> > Date: 21 August 2008 1:15:24 AM GMT+05:30 > To: lawgon(a)au-kbc.org > Subject: Warning: maharya(a)usindia.com - User unknown! > Reply-To: MDaemon(a)usindia.com > > maharya(a)usindia.com - no such user here. > > There is no user by that name at this server. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/

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