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linux bom2003...dates 4 students
by Gurpreet Singh 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

hi all this is bout the dates of linux bombay 2003 although end feb or early march was perfect as far as students r concerned but i'll just summarize the dates that'll suite studentz in maharashtra. *feb/ march early - perfect coz itz thhe starting of the sem n ervery1 is kinda free * march is gud but dont get too deep in march * april wud be not so gud, a few enthu onez might come but most will back up coz of pracs * may n june can be ruled out for students * july wud be gr8 but i dunno bout the rainz * august is rainy too, but we have a plus bout the independence day * sept and later wud be tooo late ( i cant wait that long lol) CONCLUSION- feb or march wud be the best for students ( i dunno bout professionals) decide asap fellas gurpreet

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Linux Poll 1
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Yes we should Create Poll " This is Poll 1 " [ you can put your subject in next poll , but please maintain Poll 's Serial number , creat your poll with name & your name's serials ] Lets take out the Subjects for Polling : 1] Which is Best : Billu baba's M$ windows or Linux ? Answer is Linux ! ........ [ ans is not going to change / " Lock kaar Diya Jaye " ] 2] most completed distro ? 3] mosr powerfull distro ? 4] most stable distro ? 5] which one you prefer ? 6] Fast distro ? Fast X-windows 7] KDE / GNOME ? 8] Linux should be in everyon's home pc : Yes / No 9] ISP preference win / LINUX ? 10] Programme Development Scope in Windows or Linux ? 12] ASP or PHP ? 13] which is Best Desktop Linux [ Easy to use for beginners ] 14] many more to come NEXT Time ! ##### Justify Your Answers if possible ! ########## Who is going to keep record of All Poll ratings ?

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RE:[OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
by Sankha Subhra Som 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

> * you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the > .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party > without Microsofts prior written approval. Yes heard of such tactics.A recent IEEE Spectrum issue had a feature on this specific type of arm twisting tech biggies are reverting to.Yes, it sucks. Cheers Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Tell me to 'stuff it'--I'm a taxidermist.

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libpcap & tcpdump alert
by Amol Hatwar 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

The latest sources of tcpdump and libpcap have trojan code. More details can be had here: http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=1436 Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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Summary of discussions on the Bom-Linux Expo!
by Ritesh Kala 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

All this discussion was getting too difficult to follow. So I thought that a summary of the ideas till date would be nice! We could take pointers from other Linux Conferences like Banglore Linux 2002 (http://linux-bangalore.org) and LinuxWorld (www.linuxworld.de) Suggested dates (Timing) 1. End-Feb to Beginning - March: This may however not be suitable because an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. 2. end march to early may is not suitable as most corporates will be busy with accountsand year ending. Plus college / university exams are held around april / may. 3. July seems a better time....year-end is over, collegesabout to open, so students return to town, and generally considered dull period. 4. August: An idea to Couple it with Independence day celebrations has been suggested. Suggested Places Two places have been suggested so far: 1. IIT Campus, however someone suggested that a Conference held at IIT would be considered too technical to be of interested to the common users. 2. Nehru Science Centre 3. I would like to suggest that the place be as close to the centre of town as possible if we are expecting a large corporate turnout. The Bandra-Reclamation ground could be another option. Aim...to have the following core interests at heart. --> Conferences / Workshops/ Tech Presentations/ Competitions for Geeks/Programmers alike. --> Expo for commercial companies to demo/display their s/w and h/w products based based on FSF/OS tools. --> Get the Government to notice FSF/OS options. Invite dignitaries/Beureaucrats to be part of some key sessions involving FSF/OS implementations/pilots for the govt. --> Get major colleges and high schools as well as IIT to participate as they would provide a large audience. --> Get LUGs from other places to participate. Also find cheap accomodation for participants from outside Mumbai. Suggested places include YMCA and IIT hostels. --> Some fun events (Geeks vs. Nerds quiz? Geek of the yr. award?) Give away books on OSS by raffle / hourly quizzes. Oreilly/Wrox etc will be interested. --> A Professional Event Management firm could be used to handle the details. The acceptance of theis idea would ofcourse be based on the available money aand the numberr of volunteers we have. The cost of hiring one will be posted by Saswata some time soon. The main benefits of hiring an event maagement company would include the following as sugested by Saswata: The advantage would be that there is a strong business support backup. Things like sending out mailers, accepting registrations, collecting cheques and banking them, keeping track of budgets, making sure there are adequate trained personnel at the venue (pretty young girls for registrations, giving out the agenda, cds etc. -- every event has them), coording with the venue owners for seating, arrangements, lighting, OHPs, etc. If we dont have an event managemnt company doing the above, then we should have enough infrastructure and support system to do that type of work. I think you are talking of workshops and seminars where a large number of people would come over. (Mind you, I am not saying that volunteers from ILUG cannot do it, what I am saying is that there are hundreds of boring jobs which are to be done and these companies do it all the time, so for them it is child's play) --> We have to approach sponsors for the event. Also companies with commercial interest in mind (displaying their products) will be charged. Names like IBM, all time favourite RedHat, oracle have been suggested. --> What I'd really like to see is for the Expo to provide a recruitment office (??) for people who are intrested in contributing to the community in any way. Although the response may be half-hearted or flame out after a while, I think what really needs to be driven in the public consciousness is the fact that *YOU* can contribute. I mean, most people view Free/OSS software as just something to use, written by some ultra-smart geeks you have no hope of matching. A lot of help can be used, especially in non-programming tasks like indian-language localization, distribution, general help, etc. I suspect that there also might be programmers who are searching for a idea/project to contribute to (I know I am) so we could provide some sort of exchange for that... considering the variety of people planning to attend, it could be really useful :-) ( As contributed by Ashish Kulkarni) There are a few points to be taken care of: 1. The PRC site should be up and running. This would allow us to showcase the best projects. 2. The workshops should get underway. 3. Target audiences and speakers as well as topics have to be taken care of. 4. Hundreds of other things :) I think the December 8 meeting would be a really long one ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mûrphy rûñs thè wørld « It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. » -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Amish Mehta 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

No. Yahoo has its chat server open on many ports(so that it works through most of firewalls). And I have noticed many times that windows client, if it fails for some reason to connect on 5050 port, it tries ftp, telnet, even http ports. it must be some temporary problem on port 5050 that too on server you might be trying to connect. Yahoo chat servers are generally csNN.msg.sc5.yahoo.com where NN is number. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: > >It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While >windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port >number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file

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Google and HCI
by Amol Hatwar 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

People interested in HCI may want to check this out: http://www.goodexperience.com/columns/02/1015google.html Its an interview with Marissa Mayer, Google.com's product manager and has many revelations on UI Design. -ah.

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(no subject)
by amit kalyani 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

If I want to install ghostview how can I do it. In general what is the way to install a new software on the system in linux OS. Please reciprocate. thanks, amit. Amit R. Kalyani M-Tech Civil (structures) Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, Powai, Mumbai-400076. Hostel 4, Room no: 379. phone:5721008,5720194.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
by vinayak 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: Hanisha Vaswani <hanishav(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom? though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... ---------- ---------- I totally agree with the above point. By taking care of the logistics ourselves, we will be be able to control and conduct the event better than an event management company. ----------- ----------- an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] ---------- ---------- Also since this is slightly different event (I am talking about philosophy of free software Vs sell-sell-sell/FUD about others ideology of the corporates of the IT world) corporate events), it would be better if we manage it ourselves and get the message across. --------- --------- which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams --------- --------- of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter --------- --------- But I believe the effort will be worth it. ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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LINK: Don't Bill the Gates (Important/Long)
by Frederick Noronha 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:49 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Sneak Preview of Business Today Column on Gates' visit Since we are on the topic, and at least some of us seem to be thinking alike, here is the column that should appear in Business Today next Monday: ----- Don't Bill the Gates. Let's take the billionaire's healthcare handouts, and turn down the software handcuffs. By the time this article comes out, the world's richest man would have been here and gone. From what I hear around me, our state governments are in a tizzy, competing to outdo each other to dazzle the gent. All in a hope to get some of his cash into their state. Nothing wrong with any of this. But let's look a little closer at why the Chief Software Architect is taking 4 days out of that hyper-valuable time to hobnob with our CMs and CEOs. He's not really here because we need his money. He's here because he needs ours. Think about it - Microsoft has seen off legal challenges to its Windows monopoly. But never before has it seen such a strong marketplace challenge - in the form of the open source operating system called Linux. Linux is all the things a developing economy like India needs - open, well-documented, stable, secure, accepted worldwide - and, best of all, virtually free. Governments around the world, from Peru to the United Kingdom have begun insisting on open source to power their national initiatives. India is not far behind - Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka were among the first to direct atleast some of their IT buyers to first look at open source for solutions, and only later, at proprietary systems like Microsoft before placing orders. This worries the famously paranoid Redmonders. Small wonder that the CMs of these very states are on Bill's list of people to schmooze on this trip. "Hey buddy, I'll come and throw a few scraps your way from my private jet - but, pal, you gotta buy Microsoft." Governments and their directives are not Bill's only worries. India isn't that large a market for software - we barely account for 1% of Microsoft's sales. But the fact is that we are home to 10% of the world's software developers - and Billy boy just doesn't want Coder Coomaraswamy to go over to the Linux side of the development fence. Corporations around the world want lower cost, more supportable and stable solutions. And the nightmare of India becoming one of the world's strong Linux-based development centers has ensured that our Ambanis, Tatas and Narayanamurthy's get treatment on par with our Chief Ministers. The message again: "Stay with Microsoft and we can beat off those Open-source Outlaws and bring the world back to a place where a monopolist can still make a decent living." The trip is done and over with now - and hopefully some of the glamour and space-cadet glow would have faded from those who wanted to be photographed with His Billness. Time for a reality check. For buyers, it's time to consider how the very nature of software is changing. From a point where the internet offered the ultimate open, extensible infrastructure we now have offerings like Microsoft's Palladium which, in the supposed name of security, takes the free, open nature of TCP/IP: the platform under the internet, and adds proprietary bits that will ensure that Microsoft controls and gets paid virtually every time you go out of the gate onto the net. You will also see new Microsoft licensing models that force you to pay subscriptions from now till forever for whatever you use. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to. There are alternatives. Further, you will hear standard Microsoft FUD, as they call it themselves (rumours that add to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) that Linux is more expensive than Windows to implement. This is Redmond's new global anti-Linux positioning - once they realized their earlier "Linux is un-American and un-capitalistic" line actually ended up making it more popular. Don't take anybody's word for it. Do your own study, arrive at your own conclusions. More FUD is expected that Linux is insecure - but this coming from notoriously bug-infested Microsoft is like Saddam suddenly evangelizing humane democracy. If you're a developer, keep an equally open mind. There are advantages to being part of the Microsoft camp, especially if you want framed photographs you can show your grandchildren - or your customers live under a rock and will buy MS, no questions asked. For others, there is a global market for Linux-based solutions that is rapidly developing. You will have to re-adjust your thinking. And as far as the Bill and Melinda Foundation to eradicate AIDS? A wonderful effort by all means. The NGOs among you should strive to seek connections and funding. And having to write up your reports in Word or Excel is a small price to pay. --------------------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:59:55 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Reposting column on BillG's visit A few of you have asked for permission to repost this column. Please feel free to do so at will, <with attributions to Business Today and hopefully, me;)> Also there's a rabid discussion on /. about the general topic: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/11/185237&mode=nested&tid=109 Mahesh mahesh(a)passionfund.com

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