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Minutes of LUG meet on 10th Nov. 2002
by Dinesh Shah 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi All, As usual the meeting formally started late @ 5:00 pm though the announced time was 4:30. In fact an informal meet was going on in the HBCSE canteen, and we have call the people from there to start the meet formally. :-) We started the meeting with introductions as there where many new faces, who were attending the meeting for first time. There were 29! members present in the meeting. :-) Sundeep gave a very insight full talk on various Free and Open Source Licenses in use by various developers and what does it mean to an average user and a possible developers. He covered following 4 prominent licenses widely used by developers. 1. X, BSD and Apache License. 2. GPL (General Public License) 3. Artistic License (Perl?) 4. MPL (Mozilla Public License. We also learned that, the most common aspect all licenses are that, software covered by them comes without any explicit or implied warranty. Also only GPL and MPL are written by either Law Professors or Lawyers and only they have any chance of standing in Court of Law. However, so far this has not happened. During Sandeep's presentation it became very clear that only GPL protects developers and users *rights* and *freedom* absolutely. That is why some times GPL is referred to as copyleft. Also during the discussion, Philip told us how a guy has written a proprietary instant messaging application using the library (libyahoo2) developed by him and how he circumvent the GPL. Then many people very curious to know the reaction and feeling of Philip. :-) In all, it was a wonderful presentation by Sandeep, where he covered most of the aspects of Free and Open Source licenses. Thanks Sundeep on behalf of LUG for such a nice presentation. We took a tea break @ 6:00 and as alway, very generous Dr. Nagarjun sponsored the tea for the attendee. (I strongly feel that we should do something is this regard. How about voluntary contribution or may be a nominal set fee for attending the meets say in the range of Rs. 10.00 to Rs. 50.00? This is just an idea, all suggestions are welcome, all flames >/dev/null :-)) We assemble again at 6:30 and Dr. Nagarjun talked about PRC (Project Resource Center) for students and various other activities for proposed Developers Network. The idea was to get more projects and invite more mentors for the PRC. We also found many volunteers for various task that needs to be done. Harsh Busa and Kapil will redesign and maintain web site. Amish Munshi and Ritesh Kale will co-ordinate LUG meets. Dr. Nagarjun and I will look after the server. It is decided that now LUG meets will be regularly done every second Sunday of the month. (Amish / Ritesh start inviting speaker and finalize the topic(s) for the next meet :-)) Also Dr. Nagarjun has generously offered the venue for all future meets. But we should also find other venues in various locations so more people for various other areas can also participate. In all, it was a nice meet almost after an year!!! LUGers see you all in next LUG meet on 8th Dec. 2002. PS: Kapil / Harsh Pls put this minutes on the LUG site as soon as u can. Pls edit correct as required. TIA Thanks for your overwhelming presence and warm response. With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)shahmicro.com dinesh(a)indiamail.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 56919423 Tel: (+91-22) 26747120

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name
by Hrushikesh Tilak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

I wonder how they generate the image based on the input. >From: "vinayak" <vinayak(a)myrealbox.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:56 +0550 > >Enter your name in the textbox @ the following page >and your will be amused with the result. > >http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html > >If you don't like the generated output , >don't flame me ;-). Be careful it can be addictive. ;-) > >---> >Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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lets have our own linux bombay 02
by Gurpreet Singh 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

hi fellows linux bombay 2002 or make that 03 soundz very very exciting.... I AM IN. i can start collecting masses from my part of the state and advertize in my sweet way. if thats scheduled for feb, i am in for anything that i can do. i've had some experiences with event management in college, but this wud need some real professionalism. and if its an expo... heard of pragati maidan?? its where all the exhibitions are held in delhi. my dad works in there so we can get some tips frm him(infact when i told him bout linux, he found the idea interesting). so thats how i can HELP nice idea but. whoz idea... that must be trevor, am i right?? gurpreet

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hello Prakash, Can we have a copy. I am ready to provide the media. --> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: Prakash Advani <prakash(a)indlinux.org> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 09 Nov 2002 15:46:41 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie I made a small improvement to the CD which Trevor gave me. The CD boots Linux, starts mplayer and plays the movie :) PS: Used Movix for it. Regards Prakash _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Digital Signature
by Amish K. Munshi 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I just noticed that the digitally signed messages from my Kmail (1.4.3) is not recognised as a valid signature. Same is the case for vice-versa. Isnt there any standard for digital signatures, and how to organizations work with different mail clients (that is if they do work with different mail clients) when their digital signatures do not work. Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. Get in touch with me at ICQ 85730949 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zdKO6apqhFnXaBMRAiupAKCR8Dsa6NIin8IE93CrsVhc1M0x/ACdGlbE T9zJjC3AS0d2VgxCIF/4uao= =wMwX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi Hrushikesh, Actually there are libraries availablw which let you generate images such as gdchart. You just need to write a server side script to generate the text and the image ---> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: "Hrushikesh Tilak" <hg_tilak(a)msn.com> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:41:41 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name I wonder how they generate the image based on the input. >From: "vinayak" <vinayak(a)myrealbox.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:56 +0550 > >Enter your name in the textbox @ the following page >and your will be amused with the result. > >http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html > >If you don't like the generated output , >don't flame me ;-). Be careful it can be addictive. ;-) > >---> >Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Trevor's sample letter
by Amol Hatwar 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi Trevor, Find your sample letter attached. Hope it fits the bill :) Regards, Amol Hatwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by Bhargav Bhatt 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hey, Its too big to put on my university server. Thats the only public one i have access to. So, i will put it up on my own ftp server. The connection might break sometimes(once in 2 days) due to a reboot, but other than that u should have no problems accessing it. ftp://thecode:thecode@orca.wien.rhno.columbia.edu:21 Let me know if u are having any more problems. On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:02:29PM -0500, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > If u still want to download it instead of getting it from someone on CD then > let me know. I will put it up on my ftp server. > Dont hesitate. > Actually I was trying say this but I don't what about copywrites etc.. So I didn't ask. But thank you very much - you asked me for that. Yes please put it somewhere and give me the url. warm regards. -- Pankaj Jangid Education Technology Unit, NCST On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 01:11:56AM -0800, Satya wrote: > On Oct 14, 2002 at 15:36, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > > >There is an excellent documentary on Linux, available for free download on > >ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/video/The_Code-Linux.avi Not able to connect ERROR: connection timed out. -- Pankaj Jangid Education Technology Unit, NCST

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Re: Disclaimer Problem
by Kiran Nadgir 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

I don't put the disclaimer in the mail...it comes from the corporate mail server....and i don't think such an ISSUE should be made out of it.......and i don need ur warning.....u can unsubscribe me from the list if its such a problem for u.....but dont give me any warnings or anything of that sort....u might b a gr8 lugger but u aint a considerate human being. rgds, kiran nadgir ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 6922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Disclaimer Problem Part -2
by Kiran Nadgir 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

And BTW phillips....The mailing list GUIDELINES dont talk anything about Disclaimers ......So please either change the guidelines or stop issuing warnings just for the heck of it. rgds, kiran nadgir ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 6922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> To: <kirann(a)mahindrabt.com> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Welcome to the "Linuxers" mailing list (Digest mode) > Welcome to the Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in mailing list! Welcome to > the GNU/Linux User Group of Bombay (ilug-bom)! > > Now that you are a member you can read and post mails to the group. > The messages have to be related to propogating, using, > trouble-shooting, bug-fixing, of GNU/Linux operating system. 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