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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

vinayak(at)myrealbox.com wrote: > You have missed the point. The point here is not good > vs evil but about what one would prefer as businessman If you have followed this thread, you may have noted that it was about good vs evil. All my objections and counter examples have been to show that PS is not anything evil and that it is a viable parallel system. The fact that /we/ dont like it does not make it evil and so we should not have to encourage people to go for the FS way because the other way is evil. That is all I was saying. What a business man will prefer will be based on his practical needs. What we are talking about here is ethics.

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HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by Frederick Noronha 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

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[OT][JOBS]Fwd: urgent requirement for mainframes
by Trevor Warren 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

vinayak(a)myrealbox.com wrote >Also you will agree that being not being tied to a >single s/w vendor also makes sound business sense. So >that you are not at the nercy to the whims and >fancies of that particular vendor It makes good sense only sometimes. Consider this example: I am a company developing some solution for a specialised domain. I choose some OS and a commercial tool for the development from company X. I also buy the support package offered by that X. Well, during the development process we face many problems which are promptly dealt with by the support team at X. They also patch the product for a few of our specific needs. I find it a well worth investment for buying the tool from X. Replace X with Xanalys. The 'tool' was Lispworks. The guy who posted the above at c.l.l was Dave Bakhash and he was extremely satisfied with Lispworks and Xanalys. It helped him complete his (telephony product I think) ahead of schedule. The point is Commercial Proprietary Software per say is not evil. The Free Software Movement come from a Utopian spirit exibhited by some people. There is no need for one side to be evil for the other side to be 'good'.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

code_martial(a)softhome.net wrote >You're persistent :-) Unfortunately, that doesn't always help. And >no, >I am definitely not going to argue further with you. I succumb to >your >persistence. Have you suddenly developed an halo or something? I suppose if you have then it would be OK to stoop to patronizing me even when you dont have anything worthwhile to say. I succumb to your lack of will to even see ideas beyond your own.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

code_martial(at)softhome.net wrote On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:17:38 +0500 (IST) quasar(at)vsnl.net wrote: >> thought exist together? The proprietary software paradigm is what >> we do not like. But by us not liking it does not make it evil or >> wrong. Then where does the question of war come from? Or like the > Think I would also urge you to do it sometimes - has plesent side effects. > DRM, DMCA, Palladium, Trusted Computing. Those are all the > angelic gifts of Proprietary Software. And they sure are most > willing > to co-exist with Free Software Philosophy. The above mentioned are certainly /not/ direct gifts of Proprietary Software. They are completely seperate issues which are related to the Software-Hardware brotherhood. Proprietarty Soft does and can exist with the Free Software. BTW the FS Philosophy does not exist to negate the evil PSP. It exists because of a different approach to life by some people. And you Dear Microsoft is a non-issue here. Hopefully the LUG meet is on this Sunday the 10th were we can discuss these issues. I am looking forward to it.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by vinayak 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> <snip> On a related note, why is it that in mid 90s, 68% of webservers were Apache / Linux ? Not simply because the server owners thought open source philosophy is great (many of them probably did too), but because it met a very important need of theirs and it was business decision. ------------- There are fundamental differences between the Free software Movement (spearheaded by FSF) and the open source movement. There are not the *same* but *similar*. Hence it is not wise to mention them in the as synonyms. <snip> For example, If I ever tell my clients to switch to Linux, it will be considering business factors only -- cost (not necessarily free -- and considering hardware + software costs), options avaialble, ease of use, difficulty to maintain and availabity of good tech personnel who are willing to provide support at a reasonable cost. ----------- Also you will agree that being not being tied to a single s/w vendor also makes sound business sense. So that you are not at the nercy to the whims and fancies of that particular vendor ---> Vinayak Hegde

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in wrote On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:50:34PM +0500, quasar(a)vsnl.net wrote: >I just noticed that there is something really fishy about this >particular paragraph. All the original newlines that were present in >my >message are no longer there ... hand-edit quotes? And I was a fool to think we could have a adult discussion... They /are/ hand edited quotes. So? Your implication that I was cheating is ... for a better word ... a childishly personal attack. I am having to use the VSNL webmail interface which does not 'quote' a reply. So I had to 'hand-edit' them instead of leaving them unquoted. Yeah so I am the Evil Person (tm) now I suppose? >> pissed me off which resulted in more than necessary sarcasm. >>Sorry. >I kinda never had any rules in mind ... I thought this was >``discussion'' about The Right Thing (tm). /you/ may not have any rules in mind... please refer to Philip's initial musings about implementing auto-wraping by the mailer. Yes and I suppose /you/ own the (tm) for The Right Thing? >OT: Just discorvered something in vim ... pressed gq<down> at the >start >of the earlier para, and it correctly broke and indented it for me! Wow. But I suppose long lines are still 'evil'. >> suppose we can ignore it. >Aaah ... there goes gq<down> again! :-) That was so very funny. I almost choked. But how conveniently you have not answered/ignored the part about webmail. >The problem is in two parts - quoting somebody else's mail, which I >just >discovered that vim can do very easily for me, and horizontal >scrolling >... think of the column width that newspapers use instead continuing >a >line from edge to edge ... its about readability. yeah, you /think/ of a newspaper where we have a column on one side with the rest of the paper blank. >And of course, the problem with webmail access remains. you may consider rereading my previous post on this matter.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

At 03:56 even 11/4/02 +0530, Dr.N wrote: >In practice I refuse to use and try to convince people to use >Microsoft products. But I would refuse to set this as an agenda or >campign actively for this because, when GNU and FSF started there was >no Microsoft. The idea of free software is independent of Microsoft. >FSF and GNU have a positive agenda and to put it in a negative terms >will deviate the purpose. The reason why I cannot swallow everything >that Charles wrote in Business India is because, the media is now >manufacturing a new concent. As you saw the article talked about >economics but not about business ethics, freedom and philosophy. >They >are missing the point, but it is deliberate. And not because they are >ignorant about it. The war is not against Microsoft, it is against >proprietary software paradigm. >Nagarjuna You have put in a few excellent points. I read that article and it did not /feel/ right. It never mentioned the ethos of the free software community. It never talked about /how & why/ GNU/linux is where it is today. All they talked about was business & money. The media only needs a bandwagon to jump on. Like so many linux "pushers" out there it too has very practical reasons behind it. Of all those managers who have "embraced" linux they have done it because it makes business sense - not because they believe in the philosophy. And it beats me why we have to even think about them. The only point I do not see eye to eye with you is the question of "war". Is it really a war out there? Can not two schools of thought exist together? The proprietary software paradigm is what we do not like. But by us not liking it does not make it evil or wrong. Then where does the question of war come from? Or like the US are we now ready to 'bomb' anyone who does not agree with us? Is this real "choice"? Self protection for survival is one thing - war is another. Can we have a LUG meet to discuss this issue? Been a long time since a LUG meet anyway. regards,

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OT-Job opportunity
by kishor bhagwat 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

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