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[rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable
by Tahir Hashmi 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Installation Problem - Sun Solaris 8
by Jim DiZoglio 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Soumen, You had posted a message on the web: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20011001/002530.htm l "I tried installing Sun Solaris 8 on the 2nd HDD... on the beginning of the intallation itself (before scanning for hardware devices), it returned this error : ----------------- Warning : ACPI Tables not in Reclaim Memory (next screen) Warning : Resource Conflict - both devices are added Non - ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00 - 9FFFF, FEE0000-FEF7FFF, FEF8000-FEFFFFF, FEC0000-FEDFFFF, FFF00000-FFFFFFF ACPI device : PNP0C01 Memory : 9FC00-9FFFF, E0000-EFFFF, 40FFC00-FEFFFF --------------" I was wondering you had resolved this? Regards, Jim

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[Announce] HTML.Template.java v 0.1.2
by Philip S Tellis 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

HTML.Template.java is a package that allows you to separate your HTML code from your java code. It is useful for servlet writers. You no longer need to recompile your code everytime you change the design. HTML.Template.java is 100% syntax compatible with HTML::Template.pm http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/ Version 0.1.2 fixes a bug that caused TMPL_VARs inside TMPL_LOOPs to be case sensitive even if case_sensitive is set to false. Philip

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Frederick Noronha 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Thanks to Ashish Kotamkar for sending this in via the Solaris list, run out of Delhi and Europe. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 NEW DELHI: If the Chinese have IT, get it. The Indian government seems to be taking a leaf out of China's operating system, and is planning a countrywide drive to promote the open source operating system, Linux, as the 'platform of choice' instead of 'proprietary' solutions. For proprietory, read Microsoft, which controls over 90% of the desktop software market. The Department of Information Technology has already devised a strategy to introduce Linux and open source software as a de-facto standard in academic institutions, especially in engineering colleges through course work that encourages use of such systems. Research establishments would be advised to use and develop re-distributable toolboxes just as Central government departments and state governments would be asked to use Linux-based offerings. DIT is in talks with leading industry players like IBM and HCL to get a feel of their work in the area and invite proposals for joint projects. "As a first step we are persuading all government institutions to offer courses on Linux and programming for Linux environment. We would also set up Linux Resource Centres in academic institutes (with co-funding from government and industry)," said a senior government official. Though India has made a name for itself selling solutions, software as a product is expensive within the country. And the cost will bite once India starts implementing IPR protection in earnest, as it has committed itself to. While redistribution of proprietary software is restricted through a licence agreement, the licensing terms for Linux grants the right to obtain and redistribute copies. Many analysts believe that China's growing dominance in the IT space is fuelled by its low cost open source bias. The Chinese government has consistently promoted its local software based on Linux, both for cost reasons, and reportedly for 'security' concerns as well. The source code for proprietory software is not revealed, and this, it is believed, has not found favour with the Chinese, especially in defence and security related applications. Microsoft, in what many observers and reports say is an attempt to soften the Chinese government's stand, recently committed to investing $750m in China in three years to help set up a software college and put its money into Chinese education. In comparison, Microsoft has announced investments worth only $75m over a three-year time frame in India. Howver, the Chinese company Redflag Software, which was set up by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the country's most prestigious research institute, has often come out with low-cost software based on Linux, in direct competition to Windows-based software. The Indian government's plan, however, is not driven by security concerns, but by the far more simple arithmetic of costing. To put it simply, India being a developing country needs low cost solutions. Unlike the Microsoft-developed Windows operating system, Linux code is free and downloadable from the internet. With the addition of special applications, it can be personalized to meet specific needs. An industry-government-user-developer conference on the subject would be organised to throw up ideas for specific initiatives including funding, reliable sources told ET. The only issue here is support and services, which Indian government sources feel is not likely to be an issue in a country known for its software support and service skills. Like China, the government is also eyeing the increasingly lucrative global support and services market for the Linux environment may prove lucrative. While proprietary support agreements govern only the systems purchased (with licences), for free software support is independent of the number of copies owned. "With applications in security being a focus area, inputs have been sought from the Defence on their experience with Linux. Indian-language based solutions, e-governance, embedded and high performance cluster solutions are other areas. But firstly we want to concretise the position on IPR issues in the use of Linux," the source said. DIT is planning a three-tier mechanism, with itself as the first, industry, user groups and state governments as the second and a national apex committee headed either by a government representative, an industry expert or an academician to oversee manpower and skill development, applications development and deployment and public policy support, said sources. According to IDC's figures for '00, Microsoft still controlled 94% of the desktop software market and while Linux is expected to overtake the number two � Apple Mac OS � by '03, it would still control less than 4% of the market. In server software, it fares a little better and is expected to control around 30% of the market by '03, according to IDC. Linux, which has established itself in the server space, is an open reliable OS that runs on virtually any platform and was developd by Finnish technologist Linus Torvalds. After developing the initial source code, Linus made it available on the Internet for use, feedback and further development. =============================================== Warm regards, Ashish Kotamkar (ashish(a)mithi.com) solaris--independant forum for IT & development issues un/sub info: solaris-request(a)mail.sarai.net with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. URL: http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/solaris/ archive: http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/solaris/

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X not starting up
by Dr . Sharukh K . R . Pavri . 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Further to my problems as mentioned in my earlier mail wrt kernel paging request, I am suddenly unable to start X windows. I am getting the following errors. ------------------------ <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 09691f73 printing eip: c012bfdc *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[<c012bfdc>] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: c02b015c ebx: c1371fec ecx: 0000000b edx: 09691f73 esi: ccfb7740 edi: ccfb77f8 ebp: 00000000 esp: cb961efc ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Process xauth (pid: 1395, stackpage=cb961000) Stack: c1371fec c012c0ca c1371fec c0126e56 c1371fec 00001000 cf771134 00000001 ----------------------------- These lines are also found in the error messages ---- /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 100: 1475 Segmentation fault xauth add $display /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 103: 1479 Segmentation fault xinit $clientargs -- $serverargs /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: line 107: 1480 Segmentation fault xauth remove $removelist -------------------------------------------- Please help !!!! I really am desperate :-( thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. Mumbai, India.

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Open IT - Govt to rewrite source code in Linux
by Keyur K Shroff 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Luggers, Read the following article published in Economic Times. TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2002 01:29:29 AM] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=24598339 - Keyur

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Re: workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct)
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Kapil, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Kapil Karekar wrote: > Hi Dinesh, > > If you need a helping hand with any thing viz. creating > slides or any paperwork regarding the workshop @ SPCE please > do let me know. Sure, will let u know when required... > I have taken leave from my work place on Saturday so as to > attend the workshop. I hope they allow me in at SPCE :-) :-) That's something called dedication. :-) BTW, which topic you are preparing? Even small talk on the topic you are interested will do. Looking forward to your great talk in the workshop. > Regards, > > Kapil Karekar Thanks for volunteering, With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Agenda for workshop @ SPCE / IEEE (19-20 Oct) - Call for Speakers
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hi Harsh, On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Harsh R Busa wrote: > hi willl be interested but tell me what topics are not yet tagged.... i can > do some homework if needed Great, If you can do C/C++, JAVA or any other topic that you may interested in? Please refer my earlier mail for list of topic. Thanks for volunteering, will include you in the list of speakers. :-) > take care > harsh With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+91-22) 6919423

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Re: Registration
by Dinesh Shah 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Dear Mr. Mallikarjun Angadi, It's nice to know that you are interested in participating in GNU/Linux seminar (The one @ SPCE on 19-20 Oct.?). However, the seminar is open to only student members of IEEE of SPCE (Saradar Patel College of Engineering). :-( But, after receiving the kind of response and requests to participate, we will soon plan a similar workshop in near future, which is open to all. Sorry to turn you and many more down, but wait for some time and we will give you a workshop for sure. Thanks for your interest in GNU/Linux. With regards, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Mallikarjun Angadi wrote: > Dear Mr. Dinesh, > > I would like to participate in the two day seminar on LINUX alongwith my colleagues Mr. Ganesh > and Ms. Sreeja, both are working as Sys. Administrators. A word of confirmation in this regard is > appriaciated. Registration formalities will be completed once we reach the seminar place. > > Looking forward to your reply > > Mallikarjun Angadi > > Inf. Scientist > > > ***************************************************************** > > MR. MALLIKARJUN ANGADI Ph: 91-22-5563289-96; > INFORMATION SCIENTIST Extn.282(O) > Tata Institute of Social Fax: 91-22-556 2912 > Sciences angdi(a)hotmail.com > P.B.No.8313, angdi(a)rediffmail.com > Sion-Trombay Rd., Deonar > Mumbai - 400 088, INDIA. > **************************************************************** > -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com dinesh(a)abriasoft.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Tel: (+9122) 6919423

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SMALL GRANTS: Need resources to write Free Software?
by Frederick Noronha 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Sarai/CSDS, a Delhi-based research network that realises the potential of Free/Open Source software, is offering a limited number of small grants (in three categories of under Rs 10,000; Rs 10-30,000; and Rs 30,000-60,000) for those willing to write socially-useful programmes and put these out in the public domain. Ownership of these programs will remain with its writer(s), under the GNU/GLP or similar suitable licence. But the coders will undertake to widely distribute and make available their work to those who desire to use the same, in the interest of promoting Free Software/Open Source in India. Email in your plans and suggestions via email to application(a)sarai.net with a copy to fred(a)bytesforall.org not later than October 31, 2002. Use "FLOSS application" as the subjectline. This should contain the following details: * Outline of project * How this project would be relevant to society's needs * Stage of the project (if work is underway) * Time-frame required for completion * Whether work will be done singly, or if jointly, names of all individuals/groups to be involved * Estimated number of man-hours for completion of this project * Estimated cost with break-up * Any other information you feel relevant. Last date for application is October 31, 2002. Feel free to pass around this note, particularly to students who could use such help productively.

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