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by SP 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

I am using 7.2 with XFS. The GNOME login screen does not allow root login. I need to login as any other user and then always "su" to root. Any help on this please. --SP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Promoting Linux In India
by Parimal B. Shah 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

I don't seem to fathom the fixation of comparing Desktops? To put it very simply Desktops are for personal users! In govt / educations / business uses the stress should be on purpose built applications. There is no need for fancy desktops! MS is a PERSONAL COMPUTER user (CONSUMER) oriented product. I have seen friends and colleagues buying upgrading their pcs just so that they can talk about it with your friends / colleagues who have just got it. Its like your wife demanding a fully loaded BMW to drop the child to the school just because your neighbour does it in her fully loaded MERC!! It the MO thing, MO GRAPHICS, MO MULTIMEDIA, MO MONEY ....... I bet 90% of the users don't use 90% of its features. Specially in case of India S/w for govt / education / etc it should be no - nonsense, no frills attached, lean and trim and think Linux fits the bill. Parimal Shah

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux......a la carte
by Trevor Warren 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

--- Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> wrote: > From: Keyur Shroff <keyur(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Many many thanks Mr Trevor Warren. You have >nicely [snip] hello there Mr. Keyur, Trevor here......... U can just say sir, i am just doin my bit for the community that has given me somethin that i live for and i am proud to be part of. I think Philip has put forward some very good points wich you could make incorporate in ur presentation abt Linux advocacy. If there is anyway i may help to push Free Software usage in our upcoming policies of E-governance .........just mail me nd let me know. Attack will b the buzz word...;) Trevor Warren > put your > thoughts. It seems to me that not many people on > this list are > really interested in promoting Linux. Or that they > have not taken this > very seriously. Or they don't have much faith in our > Government. > Thanks and regards, > Keyur ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com \ (/ | |_|_ \ Urgent ->9820349221(a)maxtouch.co.in / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Promoting Linux
by Darshan.Wakchaure＠lntinfotech.com 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Hi, A little more from my side too. Linux is/should be treated just like anyother Desktop OS. Like Unix and Windows , Linux can be made as a server with much more flexible environment . At the same time this OS has more more power as a Desktop OS as compared to any other operating system in the market. The strength lies in understanding and working with the utilities provided by the open source community. These are simple marvellous. Also the graphics resolution on the desktop of this os is far better than Windows. Linux gives the feel of Unix and the easy of Windows- a perfect os. Cheers, Darshan The trouble with life is, you're half way through it before you realize it's a "do it yourself" thing. =========================== _\ /_ mail-me-at : darshanw(a)blackcodemail.com / \ ===========================

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qmail book
by Girish Hanchate 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Hi, can anybody suggest same good book on qmail on linux or any informative sites on qmail. Rgds girish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by nici bhatt 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Hi It is really good to know that out government is willing to promote linux , it will be really good idea to push this at extreme level so no doubt can cause this idea a premature death. Here I have some points to raise my voice for, and they are as we should not make any point which make this operating system is nice for email,firewall and proxy...etc. specific as I have seen lots of people use linux for this purpose so my request to all of you is dont try to prove that by doing this we can save lots of money because we know that this true but on other side you are doing injustice to all open source developers who have put their efforts for porting other application and this full scal os limits to one corner. So moral of story please come out of this mind frame that this is all linux can do. There are lot many things that can be done. So keep vary general attitude and try to justify it commercially as well as technical aspect of the operating system, I mean limitation of other operating system, commercial and technical comparison chart and availability. I will defiantly like to write some article on this issue but that will take some time so till then you people can contribute lots . Happy usage of linux. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Promoting Linux
by Suryaprakash Kompalli 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hey Keyur - This is my 2pence - (subject to critical review of the grp :)) Im sorry for the late reply, though, man - Under the heading Demand profile segments - Education - Competent training in the academia demands the availability of wide range of resources. These resources need to be in the form of example source code, Workable Systems, whose internals can be studied. As an example, Many US universities, have switched from Unix based classes in Operating Systems to Linux and GNU - Based OS, because of the free availability of source code and the opportunity for students to experiment with a reconfigurable system. Students in many Indian universities and colleges too are demanding the prescence of such reconfigurable labs in their premises. If there is official coursework that enables them to use such resources, it would be a great help. Linux and GNU - Software provides to the academia an excellent platform to test their skills, learn and apply them to real-time situations. The usage of GNU - based software in scientific fields like Supercomputing, Image Processing, AI, and other related fileds is already very widespread - it only to be identified. Most of the toolboxes developed by US university labs (and other universities too) includes OSC s/w. Support for OSC is not just in the form of company-based support as in proprietory s/w like windows. Due to the OSC nature of the s/w resources, A large number of user and help groups are available online. This takes education out of the classroom - Making knowledge widely available and affordable. Usage of Linux in the academia is not something that needs numbers to prove itself. It is pure common sense - The academia needs the most information and knowledge it can get - and OSC provides at every student the support, help and encouragement of thousands of OSC programmers all over the world. Need we say more? Hey yes - forgot to add - Lets see a non-OSC s/w do its' thing like OSC s/w does on a REALLY old machine - OSC software exists that can run on very basic systems - Very cheap systems could be of great use to educational organizations. This will enable even wider reach of resources at a lower cost. Action Plan - Introduce Linux and OSC based s/w as a defacto standard in Indian educational institutes. Developing coursework that encourages students to use such systems, and more importantly, learn how such systems are different from non-OSC systems. Encourage the use and development of re-distributable toolboxes among research organizations. Enjoy!!!! Bye, SP On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Keyur Shroff wrote: > Hi Friends, > > A good news is that our central government is also taking deep > interest in promoting Linux in all area. Government wants various > agencies to give some feedback on the information related to > Linux. They have sent a draft to NCST also. > > I think this mailing list is the best place where I can post the > questions and get answers so that I can forward the information to our > government. Please give as much input as you can. > > I am directing the revised information/feedback format on "Linux > India Initiatives" for your kind consideration and input. The format > is as follows : > > "Linux India Initiatives" > > Information may kindly be furnised under the following heads : > 1. Linux - The need; > 2. Demand profile segments - such as Home, Education, Research, Govt, > Defence, Business, Embedded systems etc. > 3. Present scenario (International) vs competing products > 4. Issues to resolve : > (i) Indian Language Support > (ii) Security > (iii) Awareness/education > (iv) Certification > (v) Standardisation > (vi) Service Model vs product model > (vii) Identification of minimal set of application > 5. Transition strategy - Unix to Linux, legacy port > 6. Consortium for linux based collaborative Development? > The Li18nux, OSDL, LSB...? > 7. Action Plan > > Kindly send your views/comments as soon as possible. > > Thanks, > Keyur > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > __ __ |__ |__| |/ __|urya |rakash |\ompalli Email - kompalli(a)cse.buffalo.edu Finger - kompalli(a)cse.buffalo.edu Phone - Home - (716) 862 0366 (67,Lisbon Ave,BUF) - Work - (716) 645 6164 X 519 (CEDAR, UB Commons) Website - http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~kompalli

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIP] Getting the yahoo protocol - updat
by Tahir Hashmi 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

http://sprint.bantu.com This is an applet based messenger that works with Yahoo! --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_02020…

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: VPN with two invalid IPs
by nici bhatt 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

hi please give us more info as even client side also you will require nating or public IP address so can you elaborate your case. as this is possible vpn with nating will work fine, If you are not using new kernel then you have to have port forwarding mechanisam other wise this will not work through nating. so please give more details about your network. nici >From: Devdas Bhagat <dodobh(a)nettaxi.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: VPN with two invalid IPs >Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:49:36 +0600 > >+++ Amish Mehta [01/04/02 17:46 +0530]: > > Hi, > > > > I want to connect my home and office computers(atleast share files, > > full TCP/IP would be best). But the problem is both computers > > have invalid IPs 172.16.x.x and I do not have control over gateways to >The invalid IP range will not be a problem. Just ensure that they are in >different subnets. >At least one of the systems will need a static IP address. >Run the VPN server on this system. The other system will act as a client. > > > setup VPN(one on in2 cable network, other on star cable network). I > > can keep both computers on 24 hrs, having access to internet via > > their local gateways. But I do not know how they will find each other. >One of them needs a static IP address, > > > Currently I manually email and download files but is there a way I > > can actually FTP to and fro? >I would recommend scp actually, but you need the VPN first. > >Devdas Bhagat >-- >People are very flexible and learn to adjust to strange >surroundings -- they can become accustomed to read Lisp and >Fortran programs, for example. >- Leon Sterling and Ehud Shapiro, Art of Prolog, MIT Press >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] CyberRoam Linux Client
by Amish Mehta 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi, Can you give us the official link? Or you managed to get it from your cablewala? Thanks. Amish. Trevor Warren wrote: >--> Luggers..this is the CyberRoam software that has > http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com/rel/

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