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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Letter to spearhead the movement
by Tahir Hashmi 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:24:27 Trevor Warren wrote: > > I am serious abt this pals...so pliss letz get on >with the actual work and finalise the draft as >proposed by mr.lakdawala. > >Trevor Warren > Right Trevor. The letter's fine enough but it might make more sense if we point out some broad issues like Quality of Software vs. Costs, exposure to more powerful systems etc. before we mention Free Software or FSF. Would you like me to attempt at rephrasing some parts of the letter? Another thing, late last year I did some extensive fact-finding for delivering a Seminar "Introducing Linux" in my office. I have documented the whole thing and you can find it at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~tahir/Linux Perhaps, it could help the volunteers in deciding on the content of their talks. I would also be grateful if people could have a look around and point out anything they find factually incorrect. Thanks --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com mailme(a)tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed 2,000,000,000 Web Pages--you only need 1. Save time with My Lycos. http://my.lycos.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux for Win2000
by Amish Mehta 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

If you mean 'Linux for Windows 2000'(as in 2nd line) then there is no(will never be) such thing. And if you actually mean 'Linux on Windows 2000' then this might help, http://www.vmware.com. Amish. shahazad(a)linuxplanet.nu wrote: >Can anybody tell me about runnning "Linux on windows 2000". >I have searched all over the net but havent found it for win2000.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux for Win2000
by Amish Mehta 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

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xwin display
by |= n I y A N T =| 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

hi, i dont seem to be able to start XWindows ... when i "startx" i can hear the intro sound but there's no display ... could it be that the driver selected while installation was the wrong one ... i have a DFI AM33 motherboard with onboard display ... hoping for some quick help ... ny _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Linux for Win2000
by shahazad＠linuxplanet.nu 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

Hi all, Can anybody tell me about runnning "Linux on windows 2000". I have searched all over the net but havent found it for win2000. It would be gr8 if anybody would supply me with the download url. Thanx regards </shahazad> -- Get your firstname@lastname email at http://Nameplanet.com/?su

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Letter to spearhead the movement
by Tahir Hashmi 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:23:37 Navin Dhanuka wrote: > >It is M$ Win, becuase of which the personal computing >has spread to millions of houses. [and u curse them for mkaing money, and >call ruthless ... ..] >It M$ Win was not there, then I guess computing, Internet etc. >must have been a distant dreams for all of us. >Can't remember which **ix company made any efforts in sprading computing > Personal computing didn't spread as much because of Windows as because of the cheaply available PCs and the easy availablity of compatible hardware components. And that's because PC became an open standard in Hardware. If you still think otherwise, Mac came up with a GUI and mouse much earlier than MS. Mac users still swear by the ease of use that Mac OS offers. Why then aren't we all using Macs? AFA the business model of GPL is considered, well, just concentrate on what Trevor is saying - promotion of Open Software in Schools/Colleges. What are you taught in Schools/Colleges? Basic fundamentals like Algorithms, PLs etc. Do we really need VC++ to teach somebody to program in C++? Of course not. People learn DBMS starting with Oracle / MS SQL. At UG level, they hardly go beyond SQL 92 Statements. That they can as easily do in PostgreSQL too. And please don't base your arguments on the de facto standard that MS Office has become in Office Apps. Office Apps aren't the end of the world. The user ignorance has reached to such levels that people don't even look at Notepad. They'll use MS Word even for 1-pagers they never intend to print. Isn't HTML good enough for on-screen formatting? When it comes to businesses, just tell me how much money does a company make out of selling mass-market apps? As compared to the custom solutions, this percentage is not too much. And no body stops you from building proprietary solutions on top of Free Software. I can deliver my customer a web application built using PostgreSQL/PHP/Apache and retain all Property rights without violating GPL. That's because my application *uses* free software. It's not *comprised* of it. This is a difference many people fail to understand or choose to ignore while arguing against GPLed software. Schools being the foundation builders that they are should definitely use Free Software so that they can provide better Computer Labs and powerful software without blowing through the school budget or tying the students down to some proprietary software they'd be reluctant to move out of. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com mailme(a)tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com __________________________________ We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed 2,000,000,000 Web Pages--you only need 1. Save time with My Lycos. http://my.lycos.com

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Letter to spearhead the movement---coments asap
by Trevor Warren 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

> luggers...... > > pliss refer to the letter as attached....... > > > ***************************8 > > > Hiyee Luggers, > > There should be no doubt that the most important > places where free software should be advocated and > propagated are schools and colleges. Instead of > trying > to wean away people at a later stage when > they are used to or worse, addicted to proprietary > software, we must educate people about free software > when their exposure to proprietary software is > minimal > and when they are most amenable to absorbing > progressive ideas and beliefs. > > The long term goal of FSF-I/LUG's should of course > be > to ensure that the school and college syllabi are > free > of all proprietary software and > that students are introduced at an early stage to > the > simple philosophy of free software. This would > require > petitioning the various bodies responsible for > framing > these syllabi and that involves > going through a labyrinth of bureaucratic red tape. > This obviously is not an easy goal to achieve > although > we must make a start on this > front sooner rather than later. > > In the mean time, we can involve ourselves in a more > grass roots approach of contacting individual > schools > and colleges and requesting them to arrange talks on > free software to be given by local volunteers of > FSF-I/LUG's. This approach has no major bureaucratic > hurdles, except > perhaps for the convincing of individual principals > or > head masters, and promises the immediate benefit of > more and more young and > impressionable minds getting exposed to the simple > philosophy of free software. > > > Here's a draft plan: > > Volunteers in each town/city/suburb should compile a > list of schools where they could go and give a talk > on > free software and submit this > list to FSF-I/LUG's. FSF-I/LUG's should then in turn > send request letters to these > schools, including the contact details of the > particular volunteers whom the school should contact > for scheduling the talk. > > A preliminary draft of the request letter follows: > > To, > The Principal > name and address of school > > Dear sir or madam, > > Sub: A request for arranging a talk on Free > Software and conducting a workshop on GNU/Linux in > your institution. > > The Free Software Foundation of India FSF-I and > the LUG ( Linux Users Group ), is a non-profit > organisation formed for the purpose of advocating > and > propagating the use and development of Free Software > in India. Please see the enclosed literature for > an > explanation of and a brief introduction to Free > Software. Please also visit our website at > www.fsf.org.in and http://www.ilug-bom.org.in, for > further information on our activities and goals. > > As part of our efforts to spread awareness > and educate people about Free Software and > Gnu/Linux, > we have started a program of holding talks in > schools and colleges and technical institutions, > with > the aim of exposing youngsters to the simple > philosophy behind Free Software and educating them > aboutthe moral, ethical, and practical advantages of > using and developing Free Software along with a > 2-3 > workshop on basics of GNU/Linux from the perspective > of enhancing the students technical vocabulary. > > We believe that this exposure is important for > all > students who have any interest or connection with > computers and computer software, as it will enable > them to make a more informed choice, based on > virtues > other than mere technical and marketing facts, when > the time comes for them to choose which software to > study, use, buy or develop. > > Sir / madam, we hereby request you to arrange > for > such a talk to be given in your institution by one > or > more local volunteers of our organisation. The names > and contact details of the volunteers with whom you > can discuss the schedule of the talk are as follows: > > 1. volunteer name and contact details > 2. volunteer name and contact details > > We propose addressing this talk to students of > classes SE,TE and BE. However, we leave the actual > composition of the target audience entirely up to > your > discretion and judgment depending on the current > level of exposure of your students to computers and > computer software. > > You may please distribute the enclosed > literature > on Free Software/Linux among the intended audience > as > a preparatory step in advance of the talk. > > Thank you very much for your cooperation and > time. > > Yours sincerely, > Sd. > for > Free Software Foundation of India > & > Linux User Group of Bombay > > > > ************************************* > > This letter has been framed by "Khuzaima A. > Lakdawala", and i owe him due > for every word and idea in here. Just that i have > modified parts to include > the LUG and Linux as part of our overall agenda. > > > ********************** > > > Trevor Warren > ===== ( >- LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com \ (/ | |_|_ \ Urgent ->9820349221(a)maxtouch.co.in / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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(no subject)
by l_i_l_o_i_n 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

Does any one know how to configure Qmail for outgoing and Sendmail for Incoming on same server. Thanx in Advance -Shanker l_i_l_o_i_n Li NUX---LoVER---InDIA

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root privelages to another user?
by akshaysalkar 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

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looking for mail client
by Manish Jethani 25 Feb '02

25 Feb '02

I'm looking for a [gui] mail client that (doesn't suck): 1) Allows me to use any smtp server (with authorization) 2) Supports pop3 at least. imap4 is optional 3) Works in ``offline mode''. That is, when I'm offline, it should queue the mails and only attempt to contact the smtp server when I go online (as in outlook). Should not depend on /usr/lib/sendmail in any way. 4) Supports mail filtering and sorting, pref. with the help of procmail. i.e. it should use procmail if I ask it to. 5) Stores mail in mbox format. 6) Supports search through messages by regex. 7) Let's me use Vim as editor for composing mails. I can add more to the list, but this much will do. Pine doesn't have 1 (auth), 2, 3, 4, 6. Mutt, AFAIK, doesn't have 1, 4. Most GUI clients don't have 6 and 7. Outlook doesn't have 5, 6, 7 (and 4, if you don't like the message rules in outlook). I've been living with sendmail+fetchmail+procmail+pine+vim all this while but I want something easier now. I want to get rid of sendmail in that equation. I'd like something like Outlook plus a portable file format, regex searches, procmail-like rules, and the ``Let Me Use VIM'' feature. Suggestions? Manish -- The only difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman is that the car salesman knows he's lying.

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