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LTSP get struck
by neel s Gurjar 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

hi i have FC4 on Server and i am trying thinclient networking with using LTSP. I could put 4 computers on thin client. For one computer i am getting problem. It has 200Mhz CPU, 32MB RAM, Trident Display. It is booting properly through LAN. It gets IP from DHCP also. Everything works fine upto login screen. at login screen X server cant show display properly. And computer get struck. What should i do ? Please help... Neelesh

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MTNL Triband
by Venkatesh Hariharan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

I just got the MTNL Triband installed on my IBM X40 running RHEL 4WS and it was a snap! Once the hardware was plugged in, all I did was go to the terminal, do a "service network restart" and I was online! The MTNL guy who came to set up my connection had never worked on Linux and said that if he had to set this up on Windows XP he would have to do a whole bunch of configuration. As that old ad goes, "You come a long way, baby!" Venky

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Re: Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

> Well you can start by: > 1. Posting your code > 2. Telling us what error it is flagging > > FYI remember, you cant create a socket to listen on > any of the first > 1024 ports. Only root has the rights to do that. > Though this isnt the > problem in your case. 1. Code snip /*Server code*/ int listeningport=0; System.out.println("Attempting to create a server socket at port: "+listeningport); serversockvar = new ServerSocket(listeningport); //Create a server on any freely available port //(read the api docs and modified this) System.out.println("Server Socket created"); I believe, there is nothing wrong with the code, it creates a server at a free port now, but takes too long around 9-10 mintues 2. The error displayed (now) When I start the client, it tries to establish a connection, but fails indicating, "Connection timed out" > are you converting host to network and network to > host correctly? What am I supposed to do for this, exactly? Everything is running on localhost! ------- /*snip*/ > You can check whether the server is created and > using the port 4000 by > keying > netcat -anlp | grep 4000 Thanks to Apoorva Madam. The server is does start now, (with some modification, mentioned above), but the client does not connect __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Re: Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 15:47, Roshan wrote: > > What is the range of port numbers bind to > different > > applications in Redhat Linux 9.0? > > > > Any command, other than netstat to find out that? > > cat /etc/services This helped; thanks! I am using the port 4000 in socket programming, locally creating a server and client for accessing, but the server program does not seem to create the server, while it does in windows :(... Any ideas? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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[OT] free dns server
by Harshal 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

guys, i am using this mtnl's triband service, and from last few days its dns server is not functioning properly. i was wondering if anyone knows an ip of good dns server on net to whom i can point my machine to look up for.

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Hide headers with command line
by Amit 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi All, Is there any way thru which i can hide my mail headers wen i am sending a mail thru command line i.e telnet <mail server> smtp. I tride RET=full option while giving sender's id but even that is showing ip of mail server. is there any way i can hide complete header of my mail? Rgds AK "I like to walk in the rain so that no one can see me crying" Rgds AK +919819851812

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Mumbai Asterisk User Meet - 29th April 2006
by Mitul Limbani 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi Arun, Quoting "Arun K. Khan" <knura(a)yahoo.com>: > Hi Mitul, > > This is Arun here, we met @ LinuxAsia2006 earlier this year. I am > interested in Asterix but cannot make it on 29th. Is your company an > Asterisk distributor in India? Yes i do remember you :) (oh btw its "Asterisk - *" ... Asterix is cartoon character) It would be great if you can join us, in any case we shall be organizing this every month, so you can join in any time. We are official Digium Hardware reseller, more over asterisk is opensource, free to download just like any other GPL'd software. There is nothing official about it ;) But yes, we are promoting Asterisk in most of the places in India and it would be great if you want to join hands in the effort (especially when India's Teledensity ratio has not reached its desired expectation) > BTW, did not expect you to hijack the "Digital Cert.." thread and create > this thread :) Oh did I? I did a fresh post, more over this is OT, hence put the relevant subject line. If you feel that I hijacked, then I apologize for the same. > Take care, > Arun Khan >> http://asterisk.pbx.in/blogs/asterisk-users-meet-april-2006 Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (R), www.enterux.com

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[OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

back to the thread, two things first: 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast inside TCS ;) We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who are not aware too! Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a perceived convenience (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) and (b) as many people as possible should protest -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! Prasad

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained
by Devdas Bhagat 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

----- Forwarded message from Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> ----- From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 To: linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid Hi. Would you ensure that my email gets to the mailing list? Thank you. -russ linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org writes: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org. > > Received: from pdam.crynwr.com > ([192.203.178.8] helo=ns2.crynwr.com ident=qmailr) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FY7q1-00082w-Ke > for linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:32 +0530 > Received: (qmail 1680 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: from rrcs-72-43-17-50.nys.biz.rr.com (HELO desk.crynwr.com) > (72.43.17.50) > by pdam.crynwr.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO desk.crynwr.com) (127.0.0.1) > by localhost with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: (from nelson@localhost) > by desk.crynwr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OKdg1e029913; > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Message-ID: <17485.14222.211817.868081(a)desk.crynwr.com> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > To: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > Cc: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > In-Reply-To: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > References: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid > X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.203.178.8 > X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nelson(a)desk.crynwr.com > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on cc4.tifr.res.in > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.0.3 > X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) > X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cc4.tifr.res.in) > > Hi. I'm Russell Nelson, a founding member of the OSI board of > directors. I travel to Mumbai from time to time, and I would be > extremely pleased to address you directly on this matter. Please tell > me when is the next Linux-centric conference in Mumbai, and I'll try > to wrangle my way there as a speaker. Hopefully they'll have fixed > the toy train up to Matheran by then. > > Nagarjuna: if you don't see this on the mailing list (because I'm not > subscribed to the list) please do me the courtesy of forwarding it to > the list. > > BCC'ed to the rest of the OSI board. > > Nagarjuna G. writes: > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > > them. > > > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Alas, your example is incorrect. Pine isn't open source, as it > doesn't use an OSI-approved open source license. Neither is scilab. > They both claim that they are open source, but please .... if you want > Open Source Software, look for the OSI-Approved trademark. If you > don't see it, then you should assume that the software is not open source. > > You may take this to be a flaw of the term "Open Source", but do > please remember that Microsoft distributes free software. You know, > free as in Kingfisher. > > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > Nope. The mapping of free software to open source software is one to > one and onto. > > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. > > Please see my blog entry: > http://blog.russnelson.com/opensource/the-price-of-freedom.html > > Still warm off the presses -- I wrote it for you. Custom blogging, in > real time. > > > Still, it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the > > values like freedom. > > We don't, and we don't tell people why either. But I'll let you in on > the secret. Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the > concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of > the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value > of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach > will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept > of freedom. > > I want to be clear here: the 10% of the population who are > intellectuals (which I expect includes most members of glug-bom), are > MOST effectively reached by Richard's advocacy. We need him. We do > not dismiss him. He says that he doesn't need us, and he asks you to > dismiss us by claiming that freedom is not important to us. We prefer > to push the experience of freedom over the concept and term "freedom". > > Shuzan held out his short staff and said "If you call this a short > staff, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a short staff, > you ignore the fact. Now, what do you wish to call it?" > > Experienced any freedom lately? > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com | A computer without Python is > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | like a CPU without memory: > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | it runs, but you can't do > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | anything useful with it. > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi, My comments inline. Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > Prasad wrote: >> back to the thread, two things first: >> >> 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it >> 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital >> certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates >> and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). >> >> We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux >> and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows >> tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but >> as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast >> inside TCS ;) > MCA-21 is a new system that the Department of Company Affaires has > implemented from today. > Under that system, all documents which were earlier submited to them on > paper now needs to be done in digital form. > The forms are there in digital form, which needs to be filled on your PC > / Laptop, then there are buttons that are to be clicked and it takes the > digital signature from the token and adds it to the file. Finally, the > entire document with the signatures (and I believe encrypted) is > uploaded to the MCA-21 server through a portal. > > I do not know, first if the form works in linux > second if the token will be recorgnised from linux (the TCS guys told me > it will - I mentioned that in the OP, but only for basic features.) > Since I know very little about digital certificates, I thought the LUG, > and people like Dr. Nagarjuna will be able to ensure it works properly > and that we dont get locked out. > I will *try* to get TCS-CA put a proper how-to on using the digital certificates on GNU/Linux. The how-to should include information on installing the usb-token, documentation on how to sign/encrypt files using tools available on GNU/Linux. > In addition, TCS is giving some software that will make it easier to > manage the digital signing of documents and to use the digital signature > / digital certificate for all other purposes (other than MCA-21). They > have not demonstrated that software, they just mentioned it. When I > asked the question specifically about linux and mac, they told me that > it has been made on windows as most computers work on windows only. > > If the software works on Linux, that is the best, if it does not, and > there are alternate tools in linux which do the same thing, it is also > acceptable. If the TCS reps and their partners inform people how they > can get such features to work on Linux, it would be an added advantage. > Ofcourse they didnt expect an accountant to come over and ask them about > Linux and drivers....... :-) > > That is my intention of posting the message here. Would even try to contact the MCA-21 team and tell them that there are users looking forward for GNU/Linux support. Prasad >> >> We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor >> lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad >> truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who >> are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. >> The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who >> are not aware too! >> >> Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and >> knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a >> perceived convenience >> (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) >> and (b) as many people as possible should protest >> -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and >> the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. >> >> will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! >> >> >> Prasad >> >> >

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Firefox and Yahoo
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hello All, I happened to visit a yahoo groups site and in the photo album section I could only see blank squares instead of thumbnails. On clicking the photos I get an empty space that resembles the photo size but no photo in it. If I right click on the empty space and select 'view image', it opens a new page and then downloads the image. Same with thumbnails too. On Netscape in Windows, everything shows normally. I checked the page source and its mostly javascript which exists in Linux too so why this behaviour. If anyone else is on any yahoo group that gives album access then please try viewing the album in Firefox. I have enabled java script in firefox and for this test I had enabled java too but still no result. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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5.1 Sound cards under Alsa/Gentoo
by Sriram N 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi all: I have an Audiotrak Prodigy 5.1 LT Card ( known in the ALSA world as ICE1724 (Envy 24 HT/PT). The card has Front, Rear, BS(HP), CW and Digital out connectors for audio. I want to get 5.1 audio to work on Gentoo Linux 2006. Here's what I've configured on kernel 2.6.15: - Alsa enabled (nothing else in the alsa sub menu enabled) - Alsa drivers emerged (1.0.10) - Alsa 1.0.11 drivers installed separately after the 1.0.10 was unmerged. I get audio on only the Front and BS connectors. I don't get audio on the Rear or the CW connectors. I don't have any audio accessory capable of connecting to the digital audio connector. I am about to read the alsa-project site wiki. However, I'm new to 5.1 audio and have some newbit-class questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with using 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards under Linux ? 2. Are there are special settings that you need to do ? 3. Are there any special audio connectors ? 4. I have stereo and mono MP3 files that I wish to play via GStreamer and xmms. What will I have to do to get such audio out of all four audio connectors ? Thanks in advance for all responses. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

What is the range of port numbers bind to different applications in Redhat Linux 9.0? Any command, other than netstat to find out that? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Networking skills...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Can someone help a friend in Belgaum? Networking skills? FN From: Nitin Bilgi <nbbbgm(a)rediffmail.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 ---------------------------------------------------------- Pics from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/popular-views/

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Digital Certificates
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hi Everyone, I attended a lecture at Indian Merchants Chambers yesterday on the new government rule called MCA-21. The new rule provides that all document sumbitted to the Ministry of Company Affaires now needs to be given in digital form only. They will no longer accept physical documents. Further, each of these documents will have to have a digital signature of the persons who were earlier required to sign the physical documents. This is the first step to moving all governement documents to digital form and save huge time and cost of users now wasted in standing in line and submitting documents to the government. The next will be Tax authorities, followed by Excise and Customs. Land Records are expected to be next thereafter. There are 7 companies in India who are authorised to issue digital certificates recorgnised under the Information Technology Act. TCS is one who was present at the seminar and demonstrated the use of the digital certificates. For those who have not used them, these are stored by TCS on USB Tokens, which look like USB Pen drives but are read-only 32KB drives with processors built in. You are supposed to insert in the token in the UCB port and then ask the Online-Form to pick up the digital certificate from the token and add it to the document to submit to the government. These certificates are based on 128 bit encryption and PKI. TCS assured me that it is designed to work both on Linux and Mac in addition to Windows and that they are including the relevant drivers with the token. However, the additional software tools they are providing for automating digital signatures on other documents will work only on Windows. I would like to know if any of you have used the Digital Siganture / Digital Certificates that is being issued under MCA-21 and can confirm that it works properly on Linux. The other providers of Digital Certificates includes MTNL. While TCS is charging Rs. 2075 for a 1 year valid certificate, MTNL is charging Rs. 350. They are sending it to you on email !! Ofcourse, they are doing this only at Malabar Hill Exchange and you have to go personally to their office and they will verify that you are the person whose name is on the form and your address, photo, etc. I do not know much on Digital Certificates. However with this becoming a major part of commercial and business transactions, I hope what the government is doing does not work only on Windows. If necessary, we (or perhaps FSF) will need to initiate a dialog with the government. In the next year, it is estimated that just government requirment will result in over 1 million digital certificates being issued. I think the actual figure will be close to 5 million as more government depatments like Income Tax, Sales Tax, Excise and Customs departments move to "digital documents only" mode. (Just imagine - if every shop keeper needs to file his sales tax returns online and needs a digital certificate to be able to upload the return to the government). It would be very important for us to ensure that Linux gets supported in the process. Regards Saswata

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[Fwd: Would you like to mentor a student paid to contribute to your package?]
by Nagarjuna 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Would you like to mentor a student paid to contribute to your package? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:56:31 -0400 From: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> To: gnu-prog(a)gnu.org The GNU Project is participating in Google's Summer of Code program. (See http://code.google.com/soc/mentorfaq.html for details.) In summary: * Summer of Code 2006 is a program that offers student developers stipends to work on development of free software. * The FSF will be paid $500 per project, too. * We need people to volunteer to mentor these students, and also people to evaluate other ideas that students may suggest. * Payment to the student is contingent upon feedback by the mentor. * There is no requirement that the finished code be included in the package itself, but goal is to get code we want to use. * For FSF-copyrighted GNU packages, we will ask the student to sign the usual copyright assignment before getting paid, to make sure there will be no legal obstacle to using his code. If you are willing to mentor one or more projects, this could be of great use to the GNU Project -- it would introduce new volunteers to your package's code base, get a little funds for the FSF, and enhance the GNU operating system. Before you volunteer to be a mentor, please make sure you can actually spare the time to do the work; having mentors become unresponsive or drop out would be very bad. It is important for projects to be feasible for a good student-level hacker to do in 2 or 3 months; nothing super large. It is ok if you talk with student candidates that you already know are capable, to plan projects with them. That is a good way to produce projects that are really likely to get done, and done well. To volunteer as a mentor, please send email to <summer-of-code(a)gnu.org>. Please describe the student projects you offer to mentor, and for each one, say which GNU package it will enhance. We need to find a "backup mentor" for each project; the backup mentor is someone who will take over in case you become busy, sick, or otherwise unavailable. If you can think of any obvious suggestions for backup mentors for your projects, please mention the suggestions in your mail. (We consider these suggestions are tentative, so you can mention them first, then ask them if they are available.) But if you can't think of anyone, please suggest your project anyway. We will look for a suitable backup mentor. James Youngman <jay(a)gnu.org> will be taking care of accumulating the offers and putting them in our web site, but he could use one or two people to help. If you are willing to help, please write to <summer-of-code(a)gnu.org>. _______________________________________________ GNU Maintainers Announcement List gnu-prog(a)gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-prog . -- -- Dr. Nagarjuna G. Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. Mumbai India. V.N. Purav Marg, Mankhurd, Mumbai, INDIA 400088 http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/Data/Objects/n/nagarjun/viewObject

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 36, Issue 58
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hi, The best solution is to use Synaptic. Synaptic was originally meant to be a front end for apt-get on Debian based systems. I saw it first in Ubuntu. However it has been ported for RPM based distributions too. Atleast I had used it myself, with great satisfaction in Fodera Core 2, although I have not tried it out on Fedora Core 5 yet. However I read that support for apt-get would be removed in later releases of Fedora Core. You can get the Fedora Core 5 RPM at http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/synaptic/. If anybody wants I have the tarball too, and can mail it to you individually. Hope it helped, Debarshi

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apt-get trouble
by Puneet Lakhina 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

hi all, I am trying to install totem using apt-get on a RH Linux 9 machine $uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.18-14 #1 Wed Sep 4 13:35:50 EDT 2002 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I have done $apt-get update $apt-get upgrade $apt-get dist-upgrade beofere doing $apt-get install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: totem: Depends: gnome-desktop (>= 2.1.0) but 2.0.6-4 is to be installed Depends: libXrandr.so.2 but it is not installable Depends: libXv.so.1 but it is not installable Depends: libgnome-desktop-2.so.2 but it is not installable Depends: libxine.so.1 Depends: xine-lib (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages What could be the problem. I did the samething on a diff machine and it worked fine. -- Puneet

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Adding Software in FC5
by Dinesh 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hi, I have installed FC5 on my PC in standard form. Now If I want to to add more software from Installation CDs whenever I use Add/ Remove Software it always check for Internet Connection And If its there then only it allow me to add new software. There is any way using which without internet connection also I can use this feature. Dinesh RHCE, CCNA, MCP+I 9869032205 --------------------------------------------- Free POP3 Email from www.Gawab.com Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!!

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Please help me with my decision to purchase a Notebook.
by PenguinPuPPy 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hello list. Can anybody please help me with my decision to purchase a Notebook. After reading the previous messages i am a bit puzzled .I was planning to go for Dell Inspiron duo core Laptop which comes for a fair price i.e 799$ regarding these Duo Cores How are the CPU's any reviews or personal experience? i have seen various websites giving good reviews but it would be great if some one who has used it can guide me though. Also that gees without saying that these laptops should be LINUX compatable.Any help will be appreciated. Thanks -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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[OT] OSS Idea.
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hello All, This is with reference to the earlier discussions on OSS philosophy and I have started a new thread for an idea to promote OSS production in India. For the discussion, free OSS here will be refered to as free (as in freedom) software. Free software is generally looked upon as a conmmunity effort with little monetory gains for the programmer himself. Those who install and setup systems make money on the installation but the programmer may generally get little. Most of the training institutes too train students on the commercial closed source platforms as thats where they make most money. Free software creation is still not very popular in India due to lesser econimic gains for the programmer. IMHO, free software can commercially sustain itself only if its creation is sponsored in a way thats equivalent to what commercial software creation gets. This sponsorship can come directly from corporates and every other imaginable commercial establishments that make use of computers. Now the question that comes up is why will they sponsor free software creation? What do they get or benefit in return for their huge donations? As an incentive, the donors can be provided free tech support right from installation to maintainence in a limitted way and relative to the amount of donation. The incentives can also include free writing of drivers for special needs. The programmers are paid market rates for writing the softwares and the industry and commerce benefits by getting free ( as in beer and freedom ) software thats stable, secure and robust. This software can be posted on websites for anyone and everyone to freely download and use. No one will ever have to use commercial or pirated software and once the platform gains popularity, even institutes will offer courses on oss platform. The commercial software makers too will be forced to create software for open free data formats. Device makers too will have to provide drivers for the oss platform. As a heavily populated country, our industry is huge and very diverse and even a few thousand rupees from the majority can be enough to sustain foss growth. In return, they cut down their heavy software expenditure. The FSF India or such organisations can set guidelines for creating and running this model so that there are minimum trouble areas and the system runs smoothly. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

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[OT] XP on Mac (interesting comment)
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hello All, Here is an interesting link on the new development of XP being installed on Apple macs that use Intel chipsets. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12442563/site/newsweek/ "Ultimately, Apple isn't about supporting Windows—it's about trying to steal customers from Windows. The company known for iPod now knows what it's like to imbibe the sweet wine of high market share, and would love a taste of that for its flagship operating system (Macs currently comprise about 4 percent of the PC market). "The thing we market is our innovation and their lack of innovation," says Schiller of that other realm. "At the end of the day there's a place for PC makers who are innovative. And there's a place for people who make boring boxes for the corporate world." Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Michael Tiemann's comments on "OSS Philosophy Explained"
by Venkatesh Hariharan 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

I took the liberty of forwarding Nagarjuna's post, "OSS Philosophy Explained" to Michael Tiemann, President of Open Source Initiative (www.opensource.org) and here is his reply. For those who may have missed the original post, the same is included at the end of Tiemann's mail for reference purposes. Regards, Venky ===== Michael Tiemann wrote: Thanks for this. My response would be as follows. Feel free to publish in India if you wish. When I began writing free software in 1987, there were really only two major projects that offered enough freedom for me to even become a contributor: the GNU Project and the project at UC Berkeley to create a fully unencumbered version of Unix using a BSD-style license. To me, the GNU project was preferable because the GPL promised me that I would never be separated from my work, whereas the BSD license made it possible for some other entity to adopt my changes, improve them, and then keep them from me. I saw that as a huge problem, and so I began writing GNU software. At an industry event earlier this year I sat at a table with Greg Stein (Apache contributor) and Marten Mickos (MySQL CEO). I listened with amusement, and then frustration, as Greg tirelessly argued that it's OK for people to take his work, improve it, and then never give it back, while Marten argued the position that I came to nearly 20 years ago. But the fact that this argument can rage for so long speaks to a deeper truth: different people have different motivations and different value systems. What is better: to declare the Apache project null and void because it permits people to make it into a proprietary product (should they choose to do so), or to recognize that the world is a better place because so many people have the freedom to read, modify, and share Apache source code? I realize that as distributed, Apache software is both free software and open source software, so this is not the precise distinction as between non-free software like pine and free software like emacs. But it also shows that even within software that delivers the functional freedom of free software, different value systems among developers lead to different licensing preferences. The OSI chose to create a tent larger than the free software tent. We accepted non-free licenses because we wanted to give voice to people writing software and sharing source code who did so for reasons other than moral freedom. Is it wrong to accept works that strive for technical excellence independent of social agendas? As a scientist and an engineer (BS CSE, University of Pennsylvania 1986) I have to say no: the scientific method is, and must be independent from all moral frameworks. Does this make science immoral or amoral? Certainly there are those who apply or ignore science in immoral ways. But science itself is concerned with evidence and falsification, not morals. Open Source allows for software to be independent from freedom, while at the same time offering the kind of freedom that comes from independence. My personal preference, which has not changed in nearly 20 years, is the GNU General Public License. I like it for personal reasons. I like it for social reasons. I think it's a great license for protecting legitimate business interests. But I don't like it enough to use it as a battering ram against all other possible licensing models. And I think that the Open Source Initiative has helped to foster a far richer software environment by creating a larger tent in which more developers can experiment with and find their own best licensing models and software projects. On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 10:24 +0530, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Here is a thread from the "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" that > you may find interesting. > > FYI, the terms, "swatantra/mukta/ajadi" mean freedom in Indian > languages. > > Venky > > > > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:30:12 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > them. > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Take 'Pine', an email client, releases source code, you can modify the > sources, but can't distribute the changes you make according to pine > license. Such a software is open source according to OSI. So, > opening is not enough, we need the freedom to distribute the changes > we make. Similarly 'scilab', a scientific application, is open source > but not a <free> software. > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > However, the number of open source applications that are not free > software is very very tiny. So, it is also correct to say MOST open > source applications are free software. Count the number of > applications, not the number of licenses, to get the correct inclusion > relation between them. If, OSI excludes those few applications that do > not give the freedom to distribute the changes, then all <free> > software is open source and vice versa. FSF should not change its > stand is very clear, if you see how carefully the <free> software is > defined. OSI's definition is left vague. May be business thrives by > being vague. Let us ask OSI to modify their license listing policy. > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. But, as I told you > MOST open source applications do give you the freedom anyway. Still, > it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the values like > freedom. They continue to fetch contracts from govt and companies by > arguing that oss is economical. Remember, they said they wanted to > eliminate precisely this problem when they chose 'open' in place of > 'free'. Did they succeed in clarifying? Certainly not. > > Open source adherents talk of total cost of ownership, while <free> > software people say freedom is always expensive for we need to protect > it constantly. That is why I always end my speach with: "Run for > freedom even if it is expensive!" In order to sustain freedom we need > to constantly work against the tendencies that try to take away our > freedom. Metaphorically, a system must do work to maintain its > stability, other wise the system will tend to a state of higher > entropy. <Free> software community is an open system, like a living > organism, takes feed from the environment and sustains itself by > working against non-free software and those who promote them. > > I agree with the interpretation that <free> software is a social, > cultural movement with wider implications to the future of human > society. open source movement, if at all it is, emphasizes technology > and a development model. I have no disagreements with their > development model. > > If only OSI mends their licensing list policy, the differences between > <free> and open source community will become thinner, if not disappear. > > Nagarjuna >

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qmail send
by Hozefa Motiwala 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hi ! i have installed qmail in linux box ,having about 20 pop accounts. qmail picks up email from one catchall account at another location and distributes emails in the respective Maildir(s) .what i need is to save all the out going email messages from all the pop users, in the email server , for backup of the messages. thanks Hozefa.

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Problem X-server in LTSP
by neel s Gurjar 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Hi I have FC-4 Server. I have done thinclient network for three PCs. I have problem with monitor resolution. Clients boot from network and it comes to login screen. But X display gets flickr on some b/w monitors. Display gets ok on color monitor but we cannot use color monitor as we dont have it. I think coz of monitor refres rate it is happening. Some b/w monitors give display ok. Resolution is 800x600. 1. How can i define resolution and monitor refresh rate for thin clients in LTSP ? please reply neelesh

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[COMMERCIAL] Shunya.in, thanks for the criticisms
by Kulpreet Singh 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hello Linuxers, A while ago I sent you all an email about shunya, and much appreciated your criticism and suggestions. We now have an improved shunya, with reddit like community voting that allows popular stories to remain on the main page. In contrast to reddit's "secret" formula of assigning positions to story, shunya is completely transparent. Read more on http://shunya.in/site/working I really hope the quality of the stories would be better than "shunya", as suggested in the past. Thanks for your patience ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

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Ref: [Fsf-india] (Ref:FLOSSWorld)Request for contact address
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi, Following is the message that has been posted recently on more than one of the FSF India mailing lists. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:12:10 +0530 From: "neeta mishra" <mishraneeta1(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Fsf-india] (Ref:FLOSSWorld)Request for contact address To: fsf-edu(a)mm.gnu.org.in Message-ID: <d95648670604202342r39b62fc5j7514394d0ab4bb63(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, The European-Union funded FLOSSWorld project aims to enhance the level of global awareness related to FLOSS among various sectors like industry, academia, government, etc. As a part of this project, we plan to conduct a series of surveys related to FLOSS, to understand the impact and usage of FLOSS among developers, employers, government officials and educational institutions across India.Please refer to www.flossworld.org for more details about the FLOSSWorld project. We are in the process of collecting contacts in order to circulate the survey questionnaires. We have collected a number of contact addresses from the internet and from references obtained from our regional workshop participants.Give your experience in FOSS related activities.We seek your help in reaching out to as many as people as possible.Could you please mail back any contacts you know of among the developer, e-government, academia and employer community, to whom, you think, we can send the survey questionnaires. Also, let us know if you would like to partiicpate in the survey. Thanks and Regards, FLOSSWorld team, C-DAC Mumbai ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What suprises me is this: > The European-Union funded FLOSSWorld project aims to enhance the level of > global awareness related to FLOSS among various sectors like industry, > academia, government, etc. Why EU? Are they not hell bent on enforcing sofware patents? Regards, Debarshi

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Using ELinks access HTTPS sites.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi, I was trying to use ELinks (ver 0.11) on Fedora Core 5 system to browse the Web. However I am encountering a problem whenever I try to access sites which use SSL and HTTPS. eg., I can not log into GMail although the http://mail.google.com/mail comes up. Similarly I can not log into Yahoo Mail, Savannah, etc.. The error window that pops out reads something like: "Unable to retrieve proxy://172.16.20.2:3128/https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?... SSL Error" I am behind a SQUID proxy (172.16.20.2:3128), I have set the HTTP, HTTPS, FTP proxy:port using the ELinks options menu item. However does not seem to have any problem dealing with the above site. However I like ELinks' rendering of web pages and hence would like to use it more than Lynx. Any ideas? Thanks a lot, Debarshi [PS: Here is my ~/.elinks/elinks.conf. /etc/elinks.conf does not exist in my case. :(] ## ELinks 0.11.0 configuration file ## This is ELinks configuration file. You can edit it manually, ## if you wish so; this file is edited by ELinks when you save ## options through UI, however only option values will be altered ## and missing options will be added at the end of file; if option ## is not written in this file, but in some file included from it, ## it is NOT counted as missing. Note that all your formatting, ## own comments and so on will be kept as-is. ## ## Obviously, if you don't like what ELinks is going to do with ## this file, you can change it by altering the config.saving_style ## option. Come on, aren't we friendly guys after all? ############################## # Automatically saved options # ## config.saving_style_w [0|1] # This is internal option used when displaying a warning about # obsolete config.saving_style. You shouldn't touch it. set config.saving_style_w = 1 ## protocol.http.proxy.host <str> # Host and port-number (host:port) of the HTTP proxy, or blank. # If it's blank, HTTP_PROXY environment variable is checked as well. set protocol.http.proxy.host = "172.16.20.2:3128" ## protocol.http.proxy.user <str> # Proxy authentication username. set protocol.http.proxy.user = "mmh2" ## protocol.http.proxy.passwd <str> # Proxy authentication password. set protocol.http.proxy.passwd = "mmh2" ## ui.language <language> # Language of user interface. 'System' means that the language will # be extracted from the environment dynamically. set ui.language = "System" ############################## # Automatically saved options # ## protocol.ftp.proxy.host <str> # Host and port-number (host:port) of the FTP proxy, or blank. # If it's blank, FTP_PROXY environment variable is checked as well. set protocol.ftp.proxy.host = "172.16.20.2:3128" ## protocol.https.proxy.host <str> # Host and port-number (host:port) of the HTTPS CONNECT proxy, or blank. # If it's blank, HTTPS_PROXY environment variable is checked as well. set protocol.https.proxy.host = "172.16.20.2:3128" ## protocol.no_proxy <str> # Comma separated list of domains for which the proxy (HTTP/FTP) # should be disabled. Optionally, a port can be specified for some # domains as well. If it's blank, NO_PROXY environment variable is # checked as well. set protocol.no_proxy = "localhost, 127.0.0.1, *.glug.org" ############################## # Automatically saved options # ## connection.ssl.client_cert.enable [0|1] # Enable or not the sending of X509 client certificates # to servers which request them. set connection.ssl.client_cert.enable = 1 ## connection.ssl.client_cert.file <str> # The location of a file containing the client certificate # and unencrypted private key in PEM format. If unset, the # file pointed to by the X509_CLIENT_CERT variable is used # instead. set connection.ssl.client_cert.file = "" ## connection.ssl.cert_verify [0|1] # Verify the peer's SSL certificate. Note that this # needs extensive configuration of OpenSSL by the user. set connection.ssl.cert_verify = 0 ## connection.async_dns [0|1] # Whether to use asynchronous DNS resolving. set connection.async_dns = 1

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Re:Do DSL providers always give their subscribers public IP IP addresses ?
by Roshan 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

> The DSL Router you are using must support Bridge > Mode. Put the router in > Bridge more and on your computer use pppoe to > connect to the Internet. > > Now whenever you connect to the Internet, you will > be assigned a public > IP on interface ppp0 Aah...I connect through PPPoE/PPPoA with PVC0. Bridge mode is supported in my ROUTER from PVC2 to PVC7. > Your interpretation of the IP assignment is > incorrect. I have MTNL > TriBand; the modem/router has a WAN port with a > dynamic _public_ IP > address and a LAN ethernet port which by default is > 192.168.1.1. Does MTNL allow it subscribers to tweak the ROUTER to change it to Bridge Mode connection type? Or I am mixing up things? Arun sir, kindly elaborate a little more. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Re:Do DSL providers always give their subscribers public IP addresses ?
by Roshan 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Dinesh Shah wrote: > This is incorrect... All ISP except Cable Operators > provide Public IP > Addresses to their subscribers from dynamic IP Pool, > including Dial-up > users, DSL Users. I apologize, I fail to understand this. If I connect through a dial-up (considering MTNL's 172231, the IP address assigned to my computer is something from the pool of 202.159.x.x or 203.94.x.x or might vary. Agreed If I have a Cable Operator's internet connection, I connect through a private IP. Agreed. Net4India, in my area provides internet connections and subscribers have IP of the range 172.16.x.x BUT, I have MTNL's triband now. My IP was automatically assigned initially as 192.168.1.2 (using DHCP) and was changed for some odd reasons a few weeks before to the format of 192.168.x.x. How do I consider 192.168.x.x under public IP if 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x and 192.168.x.x are private IP ranges? ____________________________________________________ Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket http://in.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to take backup
by bimal pandit 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 Amol Hatwar wrote : >On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 21:09 +0530, Anurag wrote: > > Sometime on Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:17:12AM -0000, neel s Gurjar said: > > > hi > > > We have some PCs in LAN. I have one FC4 server. Now i want to take > > > backup of this server on other linux system. And it should be a > > > shedulde task for daily. The other system should take backup > > > automatically. How can i do this ? > > > > > > You could use a cron job that performs rsync over a ssh link. Using > > ssh keys you can enable passwordless logins which rsync can use. i had > > written a tiny shell script for the same. > >Or you could try using Bacula! > >Regards, > >ah > well, I also have a good solution : - "BackupPC" http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=603 regards, Bimal Pandit

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Do DSL providers always give their subscribers public IP addresses ?
by Sriram N 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hello: For a project that I'm working on, I require that the customer's computer be accessible over the Internet. Using dyndns, I'm able to allow inward HTTP and SSH connections. However, the IP address allocated to my DSL router is a public IP address. I assume that if my ISP providing my DSL service were to also place me behind a NAT (allocate me a private IP address), then I'd have to rule out inward connections. So, is my understanding correct ? And do ISPs providing DSL based service always provide public IP addresses ? -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Do DSL providers always give their subscribers public IP addresses?
by Roshan 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

/*snip*/ > > And do ISPs providing DSL based service always > provide public IP addresses ? I use MTNL's Triband ADSL service. All MTNL Triband Users are provided with IP addressess in the private IP address range. 192.168.x.x addressess However, they can demand for a fixed IP address; is what their webpage talks about. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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[COMMERCIAL], Senior System Administrator.
by Niklas Palmqvist 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Shipco Transport, a leading international cargo transportation company, has an immediate opening for a skilled senior system administrator at our regional IT R&D center located in Mumbai, India. Reporting to the Director, Information Technology, the senior system administrator is responsible for developing and supporting next generation systems and services, ranging from DNS to high volume mail servers to high transactional Ecommerce environments. Requirements: - At least 5 years of IT field experience. - Solid understanding of computing and well versed in many different areas of IT, you should be known as a guru among your peers! - Extensive experience with Linux and possibly other *nix flavors. Includes customizing distros, kernel building and debugging, performance optimization, software packaging. Currently the Linux environment is a mix of RedHat Enterprise and Debian. - Advanced networking skills. Includes firewalling (netfilter), subnetting, routing etc. Cisco router experience. - Infrastructure planning experience, with concentration on redundancy and service availability (fail over). - Advanced Perl and PHP development in an OO environment. - Good organizational & interpersonal skills and a good command of the English language, both written and spoken. - Ability to work in a fast-paced environment where deadlines are the norm. Desired Skills/Education: - RDBMS, including advanced MySQL and Oracle. - Strong security knowledge, possibly paired with a certification like CISSP or similar. Occasional (international) travel could be required. We offer a positive and friendly atmosphere with opportunities for advancement and personal growth. Please submit your resume accompanied by a cover letter, clearly referencing the job title of Senior System Administrator - Mumbai, to hrit(a)shipco.com.

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How to take backup
by neel s Gurjar 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

hi We have some PCs in LAN. I have one FC4 server. Now i want to take backup of this server on other linux system. And it should be a shedulde task for daily. The other system should take backup automatically. How can i do this ? Regards Neelesh

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[OT] Lenovo laptops
by Dinesh Joshi 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hi guys, I just came across a slashdot article ( http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/124244 ) which said that the user base of IBM Lenovo laptops is falling just because they are now being manufactured/owned by the Chinese. I just want to get your opinions. Some say that the quality has indeed deteriorated while others say its just psychological. Many feel that these people are just plain biased while some say that the Chinese are less accountable than their american counter parts. Personally, I am not biased against the Chinese but Chinese goods tend to have the "cheap" feel to them and I think that they have definitely lowered the quality and have cut costs at the same time while trying to improve their margins. What say the group? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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Wireless mesh workshop ?
by PenguinPuPPy 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hello everybody. Do we have the Wireless Mesh Workshop tommorow if yes then what time is it starting.? -- To Love The Penguin(aka TUX) You Need To Be As Faithful As A Puppy

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(Ref:FLOSSWorld)Request for contact address
by neeta mishra 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hi, The European-Union funded FLOSSWorld project aims to enhance the level of global awareness related to FLOSS among various sectors like industry, academia, government, etc. As a part of this project, we plan to conduct a series of surveys related to FLOSS, to understand the impact and usage of FLOSS among developers, employers, government officials and educational institutions across India.Please refer to www.flossworld.org for more details about the FLOSSWorld project. We are in the process of collecting contacts in order to circulate the survey questionnaires. We have collected a number of contact addresses from the internet and from references obtained from our regional workshop participants.Give your experience in FOSS related activities.We seek your help in reaching out to as many as people as possible.Could you please mail back any contacts you know of among the developer, e-government, academia and employer community, to whom, you think, we can send the survey questionnaires. Also, let us know if you would like to partiicpate in the survey. Thanks and Regards, FLOSSWorld team, C-DAC Mumbai mailto:aparna@cdacmumbai.in <aparna(a)cdacmumbai.in> neeta(a)cdacmumbai.in mishraneeta1(a)gmail.com <http://neeta@cdacmumbai.in/> neeta_mish(a)yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Lenovo laptops
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

> Anyway, the HP (being an american company) Is not IBM American too? > has screwed up quality and > the sub-terranian levels to which they have dropped, I will actually be > willing to pay a premium for a Chinese brand if the alternate is to buy > HP. so it is not whether you are american or chinese, it is quality v/s > price. 5 years of having Florina as the CEO has moved Compaq / HP's > laptops from being the most desired to the most shunned. My Compaq Presario 2203AL will be turning 2 years this October, and till date I have had absolutely no issues whatsoever. It has survived 3 not-so-gentle falls and some pretty rigorous usage (downloads running for hours on end, fairly regular linux compilation, and so on). On the otherhand I have seen my room-mates' Acer Travelmate give some minor issues. One of his speakers went kaput, and until very recently he had trouble configuring ACPI in GNU/Linux. Regards, Debarshi

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Linux Snobs: Real Barriers to Entry
by Venkatesh Hariharan 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Interesting article. This reminds me of 1995 when the Internet opened up in India. One of my friends, a nuclear scientist at TIFR (remember that the atom kickers were the pioneers of the net) sniffed his nose at the great onrush of people into this exclusive territory and called it the "lumpenization of the Internet." To his credit, he subsequently changed his mind. :-) Venky Linux Snobs: Real Barriers to Entry http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml "Today, Linux growth includes a vast number of new comers, sometimes well versed in technology but at other times not so well versed. These new users are coming to us and asking us to help them cross the great divide. I hope that more people will extend a hand to someone who sincerely appreciates Linux and wishes to be part of the Linux community, and help offset those who see new comers as bad." "After all, we do share a common goal, and the growing and continued success of Linux invariably depends on each of us individuals. My hope is that many new comers to Linux will see what a great community and what a great promise Linux holds not only for themselves but also their organizations." http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml

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Copy/Paste from tty1 to tty2
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Hello All, Postfix, mutt and fetchmail are now up and running. Is there any way I can copy a url within a message in mutt in one terminal and paste it in the go option ( go to url) in lynx opened in the second terminal? How do I secure my fetchmailrc? I tried to make it root only but fetchmail gave a message that user should own the file. Regards, Rony. Using Mutt. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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tabbed browsing in terminal - (was Copy/Paste from tty1 to tty2)
by Amish Mehta 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk (Rony) wrote: >I don't know if its possible but can I also use the terminals as tabs >for opening lynx links in another terminal (tab) to simulate tabbed >browsing? I dont know if you are asking or telling but 'elinks' (enhanced-links) has tabbed browsing. Comes packaged with Fedora atleast. Amish.

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Wireless Mesh
by jtd 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Hi all, Today amny members turned up at HBCSE to put up an experimental mesh. Fred Pook walked us thru several aspects of deployment. We will be on the job on Sunday ironing out thingies. It was most interesting cause we fiddled with hardware which is what i love the most. Make it a point not to miss this most interesting meet. -- Rgds JTD

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[commercial] computer books for sale.
by Akshay Salkar 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Dear All, I have some good books for sale. Discount for New books ranging from 20%-25% approx. off the normal price. Old Books at discount more than 40%-60% approx. off the normal price. BOOKS ON C AND C++ : 1) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 2) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 - Wrox 3) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 4) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 BRAND NEW: (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 2) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 3) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 4) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 5) Programming Perl 3/e - Wall - Rs. 450 6) Professional Linux Programming - Mathews - Rs. 410 - Wrox 7) Professional PHP - Wrox Edition - Rs.350 8) Apache Web Server - Rs. 120 SECOND HAND: (Costs after Discount) 1) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag - Rs. 80 - Techmedia 2) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 100 - BPB 3) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 4) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 5) Using Linux - Gunter - Rs. 270 6) DNS & Bind - Liu - Rs.100 - Oreilly anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)gmail.com or telephone on Mobile: 9821599801 akshay.

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cpio archive size limit.
by Nadeem M. Khan 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Hi. I created a cpio archive of my / directory, excluding unwanted directories like /proc, /tmp, and /dev called fullbackup.cpio. The size of the archvie is 5.1 GB. Now when I try to extract or list the contents of this cpio archive, I get the following error. [root@appsdms /]# cpio -itv < fullbackup.cpio cpio: standard input is closed: Value too large for defined data type Is there a limit for the size that a cpio archive can have? My filesystem is ext3 (RHEL AS3). I wanted to backup this data to tape, and wanted to test it by saving it to my hard disk first. Googling for the exact error didn't help apart from mentioning some 2GB file size limit for ext3 (??) Regards, NMK.

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configuring the lirc receiver
by Sharan Rao 19 Apr '06

19 Apr '06

( referring to the last ilug talk on lirc) i have a creative infra cdrom drive with it's remote too. I went about installing lirc , put the creative infra remote specs in the lircd.conf file etc. After starting lircd , the daemon , when i try to connect to the device by running irw (say) the lirc daemon stops. i checked /var/log/lircd ( i run Debian Sarge kernel 2.4.27) i got this lircd: lircd(creative_infracd) ready lircd: registering local client lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd lircd: Creative iNFRA driver: begin search for device lircd: Probing: open of /dev/sga failed and so on.... it repeats the last line till /dev/sgy is it because the receiver is not properly configured ? i remember Rajiv using /dev/sg1 as the device (scsi) . How do i configure the creative infra cdrom drive as a receiver ? sharan --

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Billy(Microsucks) speaks Chinese(lenovoooooo)
by PenguinPuPPy 19 Apr '06

19 Apr '06

Guys check this out now billy is going to speak "Ameriki Chini Bhai Bhai" ,Check this news . Lenovo, Microsoft To Sign Intellectual Property Pact Microsoft and Lenovo Group Ltd. executives formally signed a $1.2 billion deal Monday, cementing a joint effort by the companies to provide genuine Windows software to Chinese customers. http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/441134/5190136/16114/2/

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Linux support for MSI RS480 Motheboard
by Aseem Rane 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Hi, My H/W vendor recommended MSI RS480/RS482 motheboard with AMD-64 for me. But I have a few doubts about its Linux compatibility. I got mixed reaction on the net. http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2005/03/17/msi-rs480m2-il-athlon-64-mot… http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=352536 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95776 http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=3520&cat_id=556 The problem seem to be with onboard graphics Has any one of the list members tried this one? Or would you please suggest a good Linux compatible (out of box) Mobo/CPU (< 7K)? I want a motherboard with video/sound/lan onboard. Regards Aseem

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Number of CPUs
by Nadeem M. Khan 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Hi. How do I determine the number of physical processors installed on my server from within the OS? I used to trust /proc/cpuinfo till I came across a Xeon box which had four physical CPUs, but /proc/cpuinfo reported eight. Talk of multithreading! Surely there must be a way to find the correct number of physical CPUs? Something like.. No of CPUs: 8 ( 4 Physical ) Regards, NMK.

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Re: Linux goes to High Court!!
by Roshan 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

> Hi, > The Linux has penetrated to High Courts of >Maharashtra and soon will >enter > district and session courts too. > The online information system is based on linux. The >IVRS is based on >low > cost external modem and my Perl module for IVRS > (http://search.cpan.org/~mukund/Ivrs-0.24/Ivrs.pm) > The online information system is being extended to >350 courts of > Maharashtra. > The project was completed by NIC Pune team. A year ago, I was informed, they were using Redhat 9.0 and used the terminals (CTRL-ALT-F1, and so on)... I wonder to what they have migrated to now..:-? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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