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FLOSS, how the term came into being...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 23 May '05

23 May '05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS Free/Libre Open Source Software >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Redirected from FLOSS The term Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS as different from FOSS) is a hybrid term for both free software and open source software, which are different terms for the same substance. "FLOSS" was created as a project acronym by Rishab Ghosh[1] (http://flossproject.org/people.htm), and popularised after the European Commission in June 2001 funded a study on the subject [2] (http://flossproject.org). In July 2002 a survey and study [3] (http://flossproject.org/report/) and a report of the workshop [4] (http://flossproject.org/workshop/) portion was produced and gave wider publicity for the term. The aim was to create a term which didn't alienate the advocates of either the free software philosophy, or the open source philosophy. It was hoped that such a term would ease friction between the two movements and thus improve cooperation. Indeed, Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software movement, has publicly recommended[5] (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/rms-interview-edinburgh-040527.txt) the use of this term for those, especially in the research community, who wish to appear neutral. The L in FLOSS is meant to emphasise the "has freedom" meaning of the word "free" rather than "no charge" (gratis), while FOSS, for Free/Open Source Software, can give the impression that "Free" refers to "no charge". Some non-English speakers prefer this acronym as it can be translated to languages other than English: the F can stand for Frei in German while the L was explicitly drawn from Libre in French and Spanish, Livre in Portuguese, and Libero in Italian, and so on. At the end of 2004, FLOSS has been used as an English-language term of choice in official documents in a number of countries including South Africa[6] (http://www.naci.org.za/floss/index.html), Spain[7] (http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/1637/470) and Brazil[8] (http://www.softwarelivre.org/news/1727). In Spanish and Portuguese, libre/livre software remains the term for free software, avoiding the English-language confusion that led to the creation of the term Open Source. Another term similar in aim to FLOSS is non-proprietary software. Legally speaking, however, only public domain software is non-proprietary. See also * Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) External links * Please read original The Lifecycle of Software Technology (http://www.moonviewscientific.com/essays/software_lifecycle.htm)) to find more. * Free/Libre and Open Source Software: Survey and Study FLOSS Workshop report (http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/workshop/proceedings.htm), links to full study. * Free as in Education. Significance of the Free/Libre and Open Source Software for Developing Countries. (http://www.maailma.kaapeli.fi/FLOSSReport1.0.html) * Information for development www.i4donline.net (http://www.i4donline.net/floss/introduction.asp) * FOSS primers at International Open Source Network (IOSN) by UNDP (http://www.iosn.net/foss-primers) * FLOSS conference at National Institute of Technology Calicut, INDIA (http://glugc.nitc.ac.in/conference) * FOSS examples and adoption in countries

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Saturday 21 May 2005 20:46, Rony Bill wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Windose users are actually abetting criminals indirectly. And > > Installers particularly those on this list are doing so directly > > by installing the stuff after being fully aware of the problems. > > And the banks and financial institutions all running windose. We > > are lucky cause the value of the rupee is 1/47 of the dollar so > > for the same effort the criminal earns 47 times more targeting US > > and Eur. > > As I happen to still use windows and advise customers to buy Win XP > to get regular updates and updates for the updates, I am splitting > my reply in parts. Noted your reply.And the counters from the list too which do a thorough demolition job. However the point missed here is this - u are a prime target for a law suit. 1) If a vendor of any thing were to deliver equipment which, if used in it's default state, would cause grevious harm he would be sued to bankrupty. The defence of ignorance is no defence cause vendor should not have been selling the stuff in the first place if he is incompetent. 2) M$ would have absolved themselves of most things and have the money power to outlast most individuals. But you as a vendor are a sitting duck. 3) All other arguments about usability, compatability, default configs, etc. are irrelevant. It's like selling a car with no brakes. One can supply a set of brakes and instructions for installation but that would not protect you from a lawsuit unless u very clearly stated the fact that fitting brakes onto the vehicle is a very complex task, beyond the capabilities of most car users, and that post fitting of brakes is still likely to fail. Apprise your customer of these facts and see how many still opt for winwoes. It's only a matter of time before some vendor is going to get shafted. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 09:51, Amol Hatwar wrote: > And JTD, get a life; choose a better subject line next time :P > Regards, > ah Ha Ha. You got me on that one. All ye on the list ah stands for Anmol Hatwar (as also AH i suppose). You are (er i am) forbidden from using ah or AH unless refering to AH er i mean Anmol. I was refering to the AHs not the AH - i mean the air heads - which i assure you Anmol is not. After clearing the air ahead I did agonize over several subject lines before my head got all aired. Are Windows users criminal conspirators? Windows os suppliers are in cahoots with the mafia Use windows and file for bankruptcy. Windows will attract lawsuits against you. A brief study on criminal elements in cyberspace - methodology and countermeasures. An introduction to cyber crime. How to get rich in cyber space. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:41, Trevor Warren wrote: > http://hardware.newsforge.com/hardware/05/05/17/1528245.shtml?tid=6 >8&tid=59 Talking of old pcs, I needed a few ttl ics and buffers to set right a communication system at a petrochem plant Sunday 3am. There were no devices available until i chanced upon an old pc. The mobo was dated 1988 and the cpu 1987. It was those horizontal boxes and weighed about 10 kgs. Inside was a 20MB harddrive, 5.25" fdd, 256 KB ram, cga graphics card, hdd/fdd card and a 286 16 MHz cpu. And several buffers and ttls. Tried booting it. But no luck as the onboard battery had leaked and corroded the pcb. I managed to desolder the ics i needed and get the communication system running. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 11:31, Trevor Warren wrote: > > The same process applies to freesoftware. Free > > software companies rely on lowering the entry > > > barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software > > > companies must affix a price to their product this > > cost is a balance > > between an entry barrier and profitability. The > > entry of free software > > has totally screwed this equilibrium. > > [snip] > > I do agree with the same and alogn with you have > seen the gradual metamorphisis but there are certain > views of yours where i beg to differ JTD. From a > business perspective the transition on this front as > you have mentioned has been very slow albeit steady. > Its growth is indeed highly important for the entire > ecosystem (closed-open) to flourish and for the > customer to have a choice in what he wants to buy. Unfortunately prop software vendors are continuosly erecting legal barriers to prevent individuals and small bussiness from entering the field in an attempt to shore up a doomed business plan i.e software distribution (this goes for open software too as the cd vendor case shows). The current spat on software patents is a case in point. As of now patents protect a product, not a generalised description of a method of achieving a task, which is what software actually is. One can write code in an infinite number of ways for doing a given task. Patenting software is one of the many causes dear to a prop company's heart and totally anthema to free software. Software in any case is more than adequately protected by copyrights. DRM is another. DMCA yet one more. All of these want to take away consumer and in many cases producer rights. And without exception it's the closed software companies actively supporting the S#$%. > In short gone are those days when vendors could shove > unsupported closed source applns/operating systems and > charge abnominable fees for continuing support. We now > see CTO's all across the country considering a mixture > of Open and Closed options across all horizontals and > verticals they play in. > > > Which has left > > the prop companies > > inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. > > Only a matter of > > time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. > > > Each one is important for the others survival. I seriously doubt it. witness the complete disregard for standards, by deliberately breaking them and refusal to publish communication , file format and other docs which encapsulate user data. While a closed software business may exist it would be impossible for it to survive for any length of time. Free software continues to grow stronger without relying on crooked laws or hiding formats. closed software desperately requires bsd code and obfusication to just stay afloat. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by Trevor Warren 22 May '05

22 May '05

> The same process applies to freesoftware. Free > software companies rely on lowering the entry > barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software > companies must affix a price to their product this > cost is a balance > between an entry barrier and profitability. The > entry of free software > has totally screwed this equilibrium. [snip] I do agree with the same and alogn with you have seen the gradual metamorphisis but there are certain views of yours where i beg to differ JTD. From a business perspective the transition on this front as you have mentioned has been very slow albeit steady. Its growth is indeed highly important for the entire ecosystem (closed-open) to flourish and for the customer to have a choice in what he wants to buy. In short gone are those days when vendors could shove unsupported closed source applns/operating systems and charge abnominable fees for continuing support. We now see CTO's all across the country considering a mixture of Open and Closed options across all horizontals and verticals they play in. > Which has left > the prop companies > inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. > Only a matter of > time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. [snip] My point is there is no "Single Open Source/Free Software Solution" that will serve all needs and the same is true for Close Source propreitary end-to-end stacks from MNC's across the world. In this day and age as the ilug-bom we should seek to work towards a harmonius ecosystem consisting of both Free Software/Open Source and Closed Source components. Probably one that fosters growth of such small classroom businesses based on sound business models. Be in terms of Venture Capital or possible helping intellectually support/stimulate peer groups that wll inturn mushroom into healthy business models. Each one is important for the others survival. No man lives as an island you see.The story of David v/s Goliath is indeed a fitting tribute to the FSF/OS movement and i pray it gives us the strength to continually mushroom into a great self sustaing movement. You indeed brought some good thoughts to bear with your wise words JTD. Trevor > > rgds > jtd > > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 22 May '05

22 May '05

On Saturday 21 May 2005 19:19, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Ninad Bapat <freeninad(a)gmail.com> > > > >Hi > >I thought I had found a wonderful site in > >*www.linuxbazar.com<http://www.linuxbazar.com> > >* based in Banaglore from where I could order Linux Cd's of the > > latest distros and that too within week. > > > >*Today i was shocked when I visited there site to find that it has > > been shut down.* Gives you an idea of what suppliers of packaged software are up against, shorn of the legal barricade they have boxed themselves with. A services based industry requires widespread adoption of the service hence reducing costs of equipment on which the service rides increases revenues. Thus cellular service providers heavily subsidise handsets to reduce entry barriers. The customer does not care too much about the phone (except to the extent that branding drives him to care about goodies in the handset). The same process applies to freesoftware. Free software companies rely on lowering the entry barrier - ideally no barrier. Closed software companies must affix a price to their product this cost is a balance between an entry barrier and profitability. The entry of free software has totally screwed this equilibrium. Which has left the prop companies inside their stockade with a raging inferno outside. Only a matter of time before these companies are burnt to a crispy. rgds jtd

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[ot][commercial]Fwd: A leading GNU/Linux Systems house is expanding, looking for GNU/Linux engineers to join our team.
by Trevor Warren 22 May '05

22 May '05

FYI folks. Trevor --- Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 16:03:14 -0700 > From: Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> > To: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com > CC: Youhan Mubaraki <youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com> > Subject: Re: Mazda Technologies, A leading GNU/Linux > Systems house is expanding, > looking for GNU/Linux engineers to join our team. > > Trevor, > Also I would like someone from your LUG to start > contributing to the > FSF/ Gluster project. If they do I am willing to pay > them a stipend or > bring them onboard as part of the Mazda team just > for making > contributions to Gluster. They can remain in India, > I just want someone > local in India to be associated with Mazda > Technologies and the Gluster > project. > So spread the word, if you have any questions or > need clarification > please contact me at youhan(a)mazdatechnologies.com or > youhanma(a)yahoo.com > Thank You > Youhan Mubaraki > > Youhan Mubaraki wrote: > > > Hi Trevor, > > Please post this on your LUG website! > > Youhan > > > > > > Mazda Technologies, a leading Linux Systems house > in the Silicon > > Valley is looking for an experienced Linux > Engineer with the following > > skills: > > > >In order of Experience importance... > > > >GNU/Linux HPC/Clustering Expert > > > >GNU/Linux System/Network Administrator > > > >GNU/Linux Systems programmer > > > >GNU/Linux Kernel Hacker > > > >Candidate must be authorized to work in US, US > Citizens preferred, Must relocate to bay area if > from outside.Most important is the person's > capability to work on large clusters, > >have intimate knowledge on all types of Open Source > software and applications like OSCAR and ROCKS, > >be able load and tweak for performance optimization > all flavors of Free Operating systems like Redhat, > Suse, Debian, Free BSD etc. > >The right candidate should also have Network > Administration experience with Linux and have > through understanding of the kernel. > >Experience with Intel and AMD 64 Bit hardware a > must. > > > >Mazda Technologies works with top tier enterprise > customers and the Governments DOE labs and this > experience could be really enhance the right > candidates resume. > >Mazda Technologies is a fun and flexible > environment and with the right candidate we are > willing to consider a candidate that wants to work > part time as well. > > > >Please email me or call me at 925 699 4700 if you > or someone you know is Interested in this position. > > > >Youhan Mubaraki > > > >Vice President of Business Development > > > >Mazda Technologies > > > >www.mazdatechnologies.com > > > >Land Line: 925 558 2722 > > > >Cell: 925 699 4700 > > > >Fax: 924 605 4000 > > > >Toll Free 1 888 510 9898 > > > > > > > >Address > > > >11501 Dublin Blvd, > > > >Suite 200 > > > >Dublin, CA 94568 > > > |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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(OT)Linux Bazar shuts down
by Ninad Bapat 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hi I thought I had found a wonderful site in *www.linuxbazar.com<http://www.linuxbazar.com> * based in Banaglore from where I could order Linux Cd's of the latest distros and that too within week. *Today i was shocked when I visited there site to find that it has been shut down.* Infact I ordered Debian Sarge and Slack 10.1 and many more Cd's from them in the 1st week of May 05 and I got them real fast. I dont know when they started there site but got the url from this mailing list. They site the shutting down is due to lack of time on there side and also that due to the advent of broadband downloading is fast and so distro downloads will be fast. Is it really the truth in India thru a broadband connection?. I do not have one but am planning to have one. This is the 2nd instance when a site which distributes linux distros at nominal prices has shut down basically due to time constraints. Anyways great job done. Thanks to Linux bazar for spreading or trying to spread linux in India by making Cd's available. Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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VPN thru iptables firewall
by scott max 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hi all, We have windows machine network at my both office locations. When I try to connect thru iptables firewall (Gateway settings on Win XP machine) to my remote network it gives error " Network path not found", but when i connect it thru router ip address (Gateway settings on Win XP machine) it works-I am able to access all machines and shared resources on remote network. What changes i need to make in my firewall script. I am using Redhat Linux 3.0 AS. Waiting for faster reply. Thanks, Scott -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! Powered by Outblaze

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Summer Vacation Seminar Series Time Table
by Ashish Karpe 21 May '05

21 May '05

Summer Vacation Seminar Series Time Table Timings :- (Session 1) 09.00am to 09.45am (Session 2) 10.15am to 11.00am DAY 1) Thursday 26/5/05 1. Introduction to GNU/Linux 2.Installation of GNU/Linux DAY 2) Friday 27/5/05 1. Future of GNU/Linux 2. Comparison of GNU/Linux Applications with other O.S. DAY 3) Saturday 28/5/05 1. Introduction to FOSS 2. Demonstration C,C++,Shell programming on GNU/Linux DAY 4) Sunday 29/5/05 Reserved Day DAY 5) Monday 30/5/05 Reserved Day DAY 6) Tuesday 31/5/05 1. Web development with MySql , Appache , PHP 2. Demonstration DAY 7) Wednesday 01/06/05 1. GUI programming with Qt, GTK+,Python 2. Demonstration DAY 8 ) Thursday 02/06/05 1. Networking programming 2. Demonstration DAY 9) Friday 03/06/05 1.Kernel programming 2. Demonstration DAY 10) Saturday 04/06/05 1.Communication Skills Development 2. Entrepreneurship Development Venue for the seminar is : Society for computer education & technology. British council library lane , F. C. Road Pune- 4 Dates and Timing : 26-05-2005 to 4-05-2005 Every day 9.00 am to 11.00 am I case of any query please Contact : Mr. Ashish Karpe 020-24482425 Mr. Amit Karpe 21112285 NOTE : We require speaker for 1st session only. So please those who are interested reply/contact as soon as possible because we are short of time. Thanking You , BLUG Coordinator www.groups.yahoo.com/group/bcslug -- -Ashish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Param Vaibhavam Netumaetat Swaraashtram | Samrthaa Bhavatwaashishaa Tebhrusham | | || Bharat Maata Ki Jay || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Want Speaker For BLUG's (BCS/MCS GNU/Linux Users Group ) Seminars
by Ashish Karpe 21 May '05

21 May '05

Dear Sir/Madam, BLUG (BCS/MCS GNU/Linux Users Group ) is a Pune based group which was established on 26th Jan 05 to promote FOSS (Free Open Source Softwares). Our primary goal is to give a technical forum for students. 1)Advocacy of GNU/Linux and FOSS 2)Sharing knowledge of GNU/Linux and FOSS 3)Support for GNU/Linux and FOSS to a) Users b) consultants c) businesses d) non-profit organizations and schools e) Other GNU/Linux movement 4)Socializing The Computing We are glad to inform you that BLUG is organizing seminar series from 26 May to 4 June 2005 . Seminar will be held in two sessions .It is open to all & absolutely FREE. Venue for the seminar is : Society for computer education & technology. British council library lane , F. C. Road Pune- 4 Dates and Timing : 26-05-2005 to 4-06-2005 Every day 9.00 am to 11.00 am For This Seminar Series we need some speaker. So please those who are interested reply as soon as possible because we are short of time. P.S : I will be sending detail time table for this event shortly. In case of any query please Contact : Mr. Amit Karpe : 21112285 Mr. Onkar Kulkarni : 9850839908 Mr. Sameer Shirke : 9822248387 Thanking You , BLUG Coordinator -- -Ashish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Param Vaibhavam Netumaetat Swaraashtram | Samrthaa Bhavatwaashishaa Tebhrusham | | || Bharat Maata Ki Jay || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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MATLAB
by onkar mahajan 21 May '05

21 May '05

does any one know how to install MATLAB(TM) on Redhat FC(R) Onkar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 21 May '05

21 May '05

>From: Saswata Banerjee & Associates <scrapo(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >That is a real suprise, since I have been using the Wifi 11g on the 3002 >for the last 3 days for the entire day. Thats bad documentation on part of acer, isn't it? ;) >I think the above already proved you wrong. read on :) >The matter is not of opinions. Just dont try to feed wrong info to people. >There are people who will go by what is said in mails here when making a >decision. Thats the second time you're talking about "wrong" info :) >That is a real joke. Sempron 2800 is a 64bit core chip. Dont bother >comparing with a pentium m. Sempron is *based* on 64bit technology. That doesnt mean it can RUN 64bit programs/OSes. What it means is if AMD wants, in the future, it could use Sempron's architecture to introduce a 64bit version of the chip. It is only *that* chip which would be able to run 64bit apps/programs. Bottom line, you can't run any 64bit OSes. Thus, no 64bit apps. So you can very well compare AMD Sempron and Pentium-m, technically. But it wouldn't be right to compare them since they are *not* targeted at the same market. Just for everybody's GK, AMD Turion is a true 64bit chip meaning it is based on AMD64 bit technology and can run 64bit apps seamlessly as can other 64bit chips like AMD Opteron, AMD Athlon, etc... Don't believe me? Before you go off to google or call up your Acer tech support have a look at these links: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3100e_3.html Look at the pics. You will clearly see AMD64, EM64T, IA64 disabled :). Plus I am quoting the author of the article here: <------- "As for the AMD64 technology support, Sempron processors based on the E revision of Palermo core do not have it, either. I have to stress that this is a very disappointing drawback of all budget CPUs from AMD, because the 64-bit version of the Windows XP operating system is about to be released this month already." --------> Your CPU is based on the the D revision which means it doesnt even have the SSE3 extensions and is a 32bit chip which is _based_ on 64bit core ;). Too bad. Ok, now let's hear it from the horse's mouth itself i.e. www.amd.com : http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9331,00.ht… <------- "The AMD64 platform is leading the industry to pervasive 64-bit computing. The AMD Opteron processor, the AMD Athlon 64 processor, and AMD Turion 64 mobile technology comprise the AMD64 family." --------> As I had stated originally in my post, I was going to stay away from this thread. But I couldn't resist giving out correct information :) Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SQL
by Amish Mehta 20 May '05

20 May '05

Puneet Lakhina wrote: > technology knows no boundaries. My question is : is there some way i can > execute an update or delete inside a select statement thru any caluse from > where or anything is there anyway i can execute an update statement and use > these results in my select query. CREATE RULE SQL statement might just help you. Amish.

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SQL
by Puneet Lakhina 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi all, i guess this question is a little out of context at this grp but i guess technology knows no boundaries. My question is : is there some way i can execute an update or delete inside a select statement thru any caluse from where or anything is there anyway i can execute an update statement and use these results in my select query. Thanks

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VMS to Linux
by Surya Adiraj 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi, We are trying to Migrate Open VMS 7.1 to Linux. Following are installed on VMS Server -- Operating System --Open VMS AXP Programming Lang -- ANSI C DECMessageQ for Internal and external communication Oracle 7.3.2 RDBMS relatioal database DECNet Communication Software OSI layer based comunication software for SINEC- H1 BUS Oracle SQL*Net RDBMS network interface software. We Installed Linux and installed Oracle 10g on it. we had taken export from 7.3.2 database and impoted to New database. We can able to communicate with Client forms v4.5 but we are not able to do the DECMEssageQ. Applications are written in PROC to get data from PLC through telegrams to DECMessageQ mailbox and from there to Oracle Database. Any body has faced this kind of situation? How to go about this?Please suggest us to do it successfully? Regards, Surya Surya Adiraju ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/

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ssh help
by Puneet Lakhina 19 May '05

19 May '05

hi all, im using a linux box thats behind a NAT. If i know the port as well as the IP address it has currently been assigned is there some way i can ssh into this machine from the other side that is from an external comp if yes then please tell me how. Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Sarfaraz Kazi 19 May '05

19 May '05

> Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 > Time : 3 pm > Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers > > Hi, > > Just wanted to know if this is a walkin or we have > to register somewhere. Please do let us know if > registration is required. > > Moreover does getting into IIT reuiqres I-card? > > Regards, > > Chirag > Hi Chirag, There is no need of any registration and u don't need any ID card to enter IIT. Regards, Sarfaraz. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] LCD Panel
by vaibhav samant 19 May '05

19 May '05

Its very difficlut to search on Lamington without correct specifictions or company name / model no etc. Vai On Mon, 16 May 2005 Svaksh wrote : >On 5/13/05, Devendra Laulkar <devendralaulkar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday 13 May 2005 6:05 pm, vaibhav samant wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone know, where in Mumbai, can I get an LCD panel along with cables > > > to be connected to my Linux Server. Approx how much do they cost? > > > > Well a 2line LCD display without backlight would cost around 200 Rs I think. > > You would be using LCDProc? You will have to by the connectors etc and do a > > bit of soldering though. Don't know where u can get them in Mumbai. > >check out lamington road :) >-svaksh > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by chirag radhakrishnan 19 May '05

19 May '05

Venkatesh Hariharan <venkyh(a)gmail.com> wrote: Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 Time : 3 pm Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai will hold its May GLUG meet on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. Talks on following topics will be conducted. * Eclipse, an IDE - by Mohan Jayakar Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. Eclipse, the integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM.Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp * Dynamic Tracing using dtrace - by Sameer Niphadkar Sameer has planned to give a small talk/presentation on Dynamic Tracing using dtrace with D Programig language on Open Solaris. This is probably the first GNU/Linux Users Group meet to be broadcast nationwide. GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: * Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai * Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded * Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai * Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore * Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune * Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur * Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa * Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune * K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon * Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad * Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. Directions for reaching IIT Bombay can be found at: http://www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/howtoget.html See you all there at IIT Bombay on 22nd May, 3PM at KReSIT! Venky -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Hi, Just wanted to know if this is a walkin or we have to register somewhere. Please do let us know if registration is required. Moreover does getting into IIT reuiqres I-card? Regards, Chirag --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Best non intel Pc configuration available in India
by Vickram Crishna 19 May '05

19 May '05

A very interesting hardware hack on the Mac mini, to build a Debian server powered by Li-ion batteries. This could be the core of a classroom network running thin clients, or an office network, especially outside Mumbai. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~silasb/macbat/ Incidentally, while on the subject, I read that the installation of choice for PowerPC is Yellow Dog Linux (http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/). -- Vickram

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Linux and BSD coexistence
by Ninad Bapat 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hi I have been planning to install freebsd on my old pc. It is a Celeron 500 with 64mb RAM and already Ubuntu 4.10 is installed. There is no Windows My question Can Linux and BSD co-exist? For e.g. can it boot from GRUB with GRUB having these options for e.g. Ubuntu Slackware FreeBSD/PC-BSD Thanks and Regards Ninad

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GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Venkatesh Hariharan 19 May '05

19 May '05

Upcoming Meet : 22nd May 2005 Time : 3 pm Venue : KReSIT, IIT Bombay & remote VSAT centers The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai will hold its May GLUG meet on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. Talks on following topics will be conducted. * Eclipse, an IDE - by Mohan Jayakar Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. Eclipse, the integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM.Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp * Dynamic Tracing using dtrace - by Sameer Niphadkar Sameer has planned to give a small talk/presentation on Dynamic Tracing using dtrace with D Programig language on Open Solaris. This is probably the first GNU/Linux Users Group meet to be broadcast nationwide. GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: * Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai * Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded * Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai * Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore * Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune * Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur * Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa * Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune * K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon * Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad * Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. Directions for reaching IIT Bombay can be found at: http://www.iitb.ac.in/campus/howto/howtoget.html See you all there at IIT Bombay on 22nd May, 3PM at KReSIT! Venky

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Perl
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 19 May '05

19 May '05

On Thursday 19 May 2005 09:15, onkar mahajan wrote: > I want to make a career in embedded sys.,Sys programming.. > Will learning Perl help me in long terms . In embedded systems both hardware and software are very tightly coupled. Hence abstraction layers are done away with or at best very minimal. There is no room (performance, primary and secondary storage etc.) for a rudimentary file system, let alone VM and intepreted languages. You are left with the option of c or assembly. However all embedded systems have to talk to humans, usually via a PC. So perl or python is most certainly useful. > If yes which extension of perl should i learn. Ask Philip Tellis. He is the Yoda on perl. rgds jtd

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Perl
by onkar mahajan 19 May '05

19 May '05

I want to make a career in embedded sys.,Sys programming.. Will learning Perl help me in long terms . If yes which extension of perl should i learn. Please guide me. Onkar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Samba perf query
by Sameer Niphadkar 19 May '05

19 May '05

On Wed, 18 May 2005 kishor bhagwat wrote : >Hi folks, >Can anyone tell me how to measure SAMBA/CIFS performance >in terms of IOPS on Solaris? > If you are using Solaris 10 then have a look at this http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/dtrace_for_dev.html rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Open TCP seesions in SUN
by Karia Amit 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hi all, Is there any way through which i can modify maximum number of opened tcp sessions in solairs ex. if at a time 50 ips are connecting to my server and then it reaches maximum connections state. Is it possible to increase default Allowed Open sessions(connections) in Sun-Solaris

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ipv4.ip_forward statistics
by Zainul M Charbiwala 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hello, I'm using my box as a gateway for my internal network using net.ipv4.ip_forward. I don't NAT so I don't use iptables. Is there a way that I can derive statistics about the number of connections going through the gateway? Specifically, which IP addresses are sending packets, size of packets, etc. Thanks, Zainul.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Friday 13 May 2005 21:44, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > > >Just to clear your ignorance, and inattention to detail Dell's > >standard warranty does not cover anything other than manufacturing > >defects. They have a "CompleteCover" warranty for which you pay > > more. And this warranty is valid only in some countries of > > Asia.So if u damage your laptop in London you will have to get > > back to one of these asian countries to get your warranty. > > > >But to keep the record straight the cost of the "CompleteCover" > > will determine wether it is useful to all. Imo a 15% hike in > > price would be justified. > > > >rgds > >jtd > > Ok, no offense dude Worry not. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words dont hurt me. Me is very thick skinned ;-). > but all Dell machines come with a complete > cover warranty (except the very high end ones where you get to > decide what you want). So it's a "standard" Dell warranty for which > you pay a bit more. You are right about the validity of the > warranty in Asia. You can get it "upgraded" to an International > level but for that you have to again pay more. As for me the > current warranty is good enough. Actually you will have to compare prices with a similar speced machine from whoever. You will be able to determine how much more you are paying for "CompleteCover". And by the way Dell is manufactured in China. In fact you will find it nearly impossible to get a piece of electronic equipment from any place other than China. Which means that they produce quality goods too. Most OEM factories produce stuff and sort them into a, b and c categories, a for the big brands (IBM, Sony, Matsuchita), b for their own brands (sold mostly in US, eur and gulf) and c for the importers from India and other third world countries. There is also a d category - junk - for consumables (batteries, pencils, inks, etc). We have a lot to learn about "cheap", which is mostly about efficiency and a little about cutting the right corners. You will find cheap laptop clones of IBM, Dell, Compaq etc. The price difference is a good 40 ~ 50% on the base models. If you buy the upgrades (harddisk, Wlan etc) from lamington road the difference grows by another 15%. Not to mention the fact that you are no more dependent on Dell / IBM. You are ofcourse taking a chance on the warranty. I am no fan of the Chinese - I continually pressured to readjust my bussiness to maintain margins and keep my customers happy. But that is life outside of Paradise. rgds jtd

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Debian Sarge-GDM login screen grainy
by Ninad Bapat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi I finally installed Debian Sarge(DVD) build date 26/4/05. After the initial configs and reading the CD I was presented with GDM login screen to my surprise the screen appeared very grainy just like what appears when one logins in safe mode in windoze. Why is this happening? Is any package missing to be installed Thanks Ninad

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian Sarge-GDM login screen grainy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 11:16, Ninad Bapat wrote: > Hi > > I finally installed Debian Sarge(DVD) build date 26/4/05. > After the initial configs and reading the CD I was presented with > GDM login screen > to my surprise the screen appeared very grainy just like what > appears when one logins in safe mode in windoze. > > Why is this happening? > Is any package missing to be installed incorrect settings in /etc/XF86config-4 You are running X in 16bit color 640x480 or lower. check your graphics chipset and add the right driver to the above file.You might need to change the monitor settings in the file too. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 18 May '05

18 May '05

>>From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> >>...apparently 'shes' are not allowed on this list >I hope you're kidding :O >Dinesh Quoting Limp Bizkit.. 'Take a look around'

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[OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Vickram Crishna 18 May '05

18 May '05

At 1:09 PM +0530 5/17/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: >If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the >chinese would have beaten us. But not, perhaps, for their sense of civility, as we have seen after smarting from many sharp replies on this list. Actually, the Chinese (Confucius, as he is called in English) invented the civil servant, but it took Indians to raise that personage to the heights of misrule and uncivility. Even ;-) Sherlock can't begin to compete. Of course, s/he may be one, and if so, I rest my case. Unlikely, of course, as s/he does not lack for knowledge or willingness to help, if not actually suffer fools or children. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Re: Re: acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Tuesday 17 May 2005 17:21, Vickram Crishna wrote: > At 1:09 PM +0530 5/17/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > >If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the > >chinese would have beaten us. > > But not, perhaps, for their sense of civility, as we have seen > after smarting from many sharp replies on this list. Ah the chinese are subtle - at first. Very often silence follows after u have taken a stab at them. But the next round is a missile. U will notice this in their dealings with the Americans. Remember the Chinese-killing-India rhetoric last year. Initially there were a couple of press releases stating the figures on rice and shrimp import from India. As usual the AH's who run this country did not understand. The next round was proposed chinese sanctions on Indian exports to china, which dwarf Indian imports by an order of magnitude. The indian ministers quietly shut their mouths. End of great Indo-Chinese trade war. > > Actually, the Chinese (Confucius, as he is called in English) > invented the civil servant, but it took Indians to raise that > personage to the heights of misrule and uncivility. Even ;-) > Sherlock can't begin to compete. Of course, s/he may be one, and if > so, I rest my case. No such luck. You can either be civil or a servant. I am not a servant so I might just make to the ranks of civility. And i am not employed by the government - a very good qualification imo. > Unlikely, of course, as s/he does not lack for knowledge or > willingness to help, (Big self glorification para) My knowledge (restricted to hardware only) has steadily deteriorated after the 486 era. I did have detailed knowledge of many of the chipset schematics and registers and designed a couple of 286/386 mobos including the external glue logic and a large number of addon cards for the isa bus. The glue logic was quite substantial inspite of the chipsets. > if not actually suffer fools or children. Actually the irritation is that most posters do not make the slightest attempt to exercise their fingers on google, let alone their brains before posting. Which is so much against the libre software philosophy of making you independent and productive permanently. We should have an initiation ceremony for new members. At every meet they will sit around a burning windows cd and the list admin will deliver a homily on list ettiquitte and FSF philosophy. They will then intone the homily thrice. The smoke from the cd should drive away all but the most determined. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need revolution os and code movie cd
by Animesh Singh 18 May '05

18 May '05

Afternoon Mr. Warren, > > Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution > OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a > great pal and never got them back. I have code and Revolution. I can give you by this saturady evening. Regards, Animesh. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Samba perf query
by kishor bhagwat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi folks, Can anyone tell me how to measure SAMBA/CIFS performance in terms of IOPS on Solaris? regards, Kishor Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian distro difference
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 10:07, Ninad Bapat wrote: > Hi > > I just bought some Linux Cd's from linuxbzar. > I found > Debian v3 r5 and > Debian Sarge (25/04/05 build)(DVD) > listed there. > I have ordered for the Sarge DVD from http://www.debian.org/releases/ " The current “stable” distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r5, codenamed woody. It was released on April 16th, 2005. " That is Debian v3 r5 aka woody. "The “testing” distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a “stable” release yet, but they are in the queue for that. The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more recent versions of software. Official security support for this distribution started May 3rd 2005." That is testing aka sarge. Sarge comes with Openoffice, 2.6 kernel, gcc3.xx KDE3.2 and newer, versions of all the packages in woody. A few orphaned packages from woody have been dropped from sarge. I am using the pcq sarge dvd. Works great. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] need revolution os and code movie cd
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 18 May '05

18 May '05

> Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution >OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a >great pal and never got them back. Is this just to bug Yayati ? Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:was acers latop AD: now ot morphing to conspiracy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 00:29, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > >So dont you worry. Where can i get an audience who are forced to > > read the #$%^& that i post.On second thought isnt there a windoze > > users list. > Hey dude, I like your style. Now what are you talking about this > windoze users list? :P Just imagine the fun asking 1) How do i install windows XP on a floppy on a 386 with 64mb ram. I want to use it as a firewall and bandwidth shaper. 2) How do i install windows XP server on my reiserfs partition 3) I cannot find the X server files in the XP installation. 4) The file browser shows D: but cannot read the partition (i have installed linux on this partition ( hda5 reiserfs) 5) I get a message "illegal operation performed" who is performing the illegal operation. 6) I have made thirty copies of this crappy windows XP to distribute to my enemies is it legal. Boy oh boy am i excited. And hopefully there will be some cyber cafe guys and some anti virus and security "experts" on that list. rgds jtd

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Debian distro difference
by Ninad Bapat 18 May '05

18 May '05

Hi I just bought some Linux Cd's from linuxbzar. I found Debian v3 r5 and Debian Sarge (25/04/05 build)(DVD) listed there. I have ordered for the Sarge DVD What is the difference between these two. Thanks and regards Ninad

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A little piece of computer history for sale
by Trevor Warren 18 May '05

18 May '05

FYI luggers. http://hardware.newsforge.com/hardware/05/05/17/1528245.shtml?tid=68&tid=59 Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re:was acers latop AD: now ot morphing to conspiracy
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 18 May '05

18 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 15:18, V.K.Bharadwaj wrote: > >>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay > >>> civil to each other. > >> > >> if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group > >> kg > I speak probably for many of the > lurkers like myself on this group when I say... > > I've probably never met jtd or kg or Gishu or > many like them except via the mail digests of the group. > They add great value to the group and many of them > have above average skills with their tech-appreciation, > sharing, plus language/communications. > > jtd stays here please, else I may leave too. Who is conspiring to throw me off the list. Why am i being persecuted. I refuse to be civil. And i wont leave. If you throw me out I shall reregister and post with a disclaimer combining those from ICICI and Reliance and M$. That will teach all u conspirators a lesson. HA Ha Dont worry VKB i am not about to leave the list just because someone wants me to be civil or anything else at that. Nor am i going to be thrown out (afaik). So dont you worry. Where can i get an audience who are forced to read the #$%^& that i post.On second thought isnt there a windoze users list. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 17 May '05

17 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 19:05, Rony Bill wrote: > Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > Yes, I agree with you. Chinese companies do produce quality > > goods > > > > otherwise they would never survive in the western market. It is > > only countries like us which are dumped with low quality stuff... > > Do they dump them on us or do we (Indian Dealers) look for cheap > products to capture the market for a quick buck? If an Indian > dealer asks for Class A products, will he be refused by the > Chinese? Infact they will always offer u the best that they have and will show u the worst only after u have revealed your inner cheapskateness. U will love to see the chinese squirming as u notice all the flaws. Everybody in the country is to blame, not just the importer. While other nations have passed thru this phase we seem to be stuck with a lazy, laid back attitude for the past 1000 yrs. We seem to be in such awe of our historical achievements that we dismiss every other nations achievements. The cheap chinese is one such. Right now we are trumpeting ourselves as a great software powerhouse. In reality we are only leveraging our english speaking capability. If it was anything else (low cost, innovation, efficiency) the chinese would have beaten us. rgds jtd

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Configuring smtp auth between servers (qmail to any smtp relay)
by ming 17 May '05

17 May '05

Dear All We have qmail server configured it is working properly But the problem has arised when the "ISP smtp" we had using for all outbound mails from our qmail server to internet requires "SMTP AUTH" Need to know how we can configure the qmail server to use amtp auth. So that it can deliver the mails to the smtp relay of ISP. I have tested the ISP smtp relay direct in my email client works properly need to do the same for my qmail server. Thanks to all in advance Best Regards Ming Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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[Fwd: Belgian Gentoo-Linux Project in Mumbai]
by Dinesh Shah 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi All, This is an invitation received from Mr. Johan, Thank you Mr. Johan and Team for doing a great work here in India. Though he has given the time but not given any day/date, may be any day/date few people can visit them, possibly from Monday to Friday. I will try my best, if I can make it. With regards, -----Forwarded Message----- From: Johan Van Lon <de_oppergod(a)hotmail.com> To: linuxers-owner(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Belgian Gentoo-Linux Project in Mumbai Date: 17 May 2005 16:10:50 +0000 Dear, -This mail can be sent as an invitation on your mailing-list if you like. we would like to have somebody from every LUG in Mumbai to join us for a tour of our project.... You yourselves are off course also invited. Dear, Allow me to introduce a Linux-project that has been going on for almost 3 months now, right here in Mumbai. We think that you and your organisation might be quite intrested. Almost 2 years ago now, me (Johan Van Loon) and Jan Van Steenkiste got the assignment to find a good firm in Belgium to complete our internship, in one of my previous schools I had done an internship as wel and I hadn't really learned anything in that time, afraid of a repitition of the events, I decided to find an alternative internship. We told our idea to Elise Daans and she thought it was a good idea as well, so we went to the school to see if it would be possible to complete this project. We got a green light and started planning right away, very soon it became very clear that 3 persons would not be enough, so we invited Joeri Balcaen and Tim Bastiaensens to join us, a marvelous decision it turned out to be. The next year we organised a bunch of money-collecting actions and tried desperately to get the attention of the press... The PC's started dripping in... In the end we collected enough money for the transport, but not for our tickets, nor for our stay here. So we decided to finance our tickets and our stay here ourselves. Just in time we recieved a huge donation of screens and PC's and from that moment on good luck shone upon us, we got a couple of very large donations that turned out to be very nessescary here in India since the customs charged us a huge amount of import-taxes on our OWN PC's. We arrived in India and were very nicely welcomed by the school who had provided a very nice appartement for us and a huge classroom. At the moment we have about 30 PC's working in the classroom and the classes are going very fine. We have thought our students the history of PC's, basic PC knowledge about hardware and everything. Further we thought them the basic use of the CLI in Gentoo Linux, now we are teaching them xHTML and we will leave behind a course-book about openOffice.org . We know this is a little short-notice but we would like to invite 2 representatives of your organisation to come and pay a visit to our classroom. We are looking for some people that are apt at using Gentoo-linux, or just linux in general who would like to give up a little of their spare time to keep the network up and running after we have gone... Therefor we would like to invite you to come visit us around 19.00h in our school "Joseph Cardijn Technical School" at Parel. Khashaba Jadhav Marg, Off Dr. Ambedkar Road, Dadar, Mumbai-400014. If you are coming by train, "Elphiston road" station and "Parel" station are the closest, "Dadar" is about 20 minute walk. If you are coming by taxi, ask them to bring you to the back of "Tata Memorial Hospital" in Parel, there ask for the "Mahindra Milestone Workshop" the school is working together with that workshop, and if you arrive their, just ask for the people from "Belgium". Kind regards, Johan - Jan - Tim - Elise - Joeri Allready since my youth, India has attracted me, largly due to my aunt and uncle who were real adventurers and allways spoke very highly of the beauty of India and about the generousity of the people here. So I decided to organise and internship that could help those great people of this great nation. The decision was not hard, the idea i got was going to India to teach the usage of PC's for free and as I talked it over with Jan, we decided to go the whole way, we were going to collect all the necesary PC's and materials ourselves and donate a complete computer-classroom to a school in India. -- --Dinesh Shah :-) <Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com> Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906

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What is the difference between C and C++
by Binulal Narayanan 17 May '05

17 May '05

Dear all: What exactly is the difference between C and C++ - save that we can have OOP in both the languages?! Thanks Binulal Narayanan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by Nadiem 17 May '05

17 May '05

--- rakesh hazra <rakeshhazra(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Hi all, > I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am > unable > to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit > color > depth.During installing I could not find the proper > driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever > I > set > the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works > fine > with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and > video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. > Please guide me. I had the same problem on RH9. I resolved it by increasing the video memory in the BIOS to 16Mb (Or more - don't remember.) Regards, Nadiem. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by Philip Tellis 17 May '05

17 May '05

Sometime Today, Amol Hatwar assembled some asciibets to say: > Who said we can have OOP in C? Kernighan and Ritchie said it through example. Read the book. Then, have a look at the gtk+ project. -- Entropy isn't what it used to be.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by swapnil ambre 17 May '05

17 May '05

concept of CLASSES is not there in C. C++ has the concept of classes. ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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