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RE: [ILUG-BOM] What is the difference between C and C++
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 17 May '05

17 May '05

> What exactly is the difference between C and C++ - save that we can >have OOP in both the languages?! We don't have OOP in C. That would be the answer. C++ brought in Encapsulation, Polymorphism, Inheritance, and a whole lot of 'heavy' concepts... Correct me if I'm wrong. Long time since I opened Let Us C Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting details required
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 17 May '05

17 May '05

>Can anyone give me the exact address of the location KReSIT, IIT Bombay(Mumbai)? >Please also specify the best way to get there from Ghatkopar or Vidyavihar. The way I would do it is.. 1. Get to kanjurMarg via train. 2. Get a rick from the towards VT end of the platform(you should see people scurrying like bunnies over the tracks) 10 bucks to IIT Market gate. 3. Get in ..5 min walk to Kresit if you go by the right route. Ask the people manning the gate for directions. No Idea if you need any ID to get in though... Gishu

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HPUX Training.
by Rajendra Rait 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi Linuxers, I would like to know any HP training centres in mumbai which offers courses for HPux(both H/W & S/W administration). Kindly help me. Thankyou for your time. Rajendra Rait.

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changing password in Squirrelmail
by sel 17 May '05

17 May '05

Hi all, I am using Squirrelmail 1.4.4 with qmail (with ldap services) ,the problem I am facing is that I can't change the password of the user through Squirrelmail and I am using the change_ldappass-1.7 plugin with the compatibility plugin already installed,but when I try changing the password,it gives me the error: "You must type in your old password.You must type in a new password" but the users can login read and send mails using squirrelmail,what can be the issue? followin is the config file of the change_ldappass plugin. <?php $ldap_server = "localhost"; $ldap_password_field = "userpassword"; $ldap_user_field = "username"; //put the ldap base dn of your server here $ldap_base_dn = "dc=mydomain,dc=com"; $ldap_bind_as_manager = 1; $ldap_manager_dn="cn=root,$ldap_base_dn"; $ldap_manager_pw="secret"; ?> pls let me know what I am doing wrong.thanks in advance. -Sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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Re: was acers latop now OT
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

On Monday 16 May 2005 08:20, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Saturday 14 May 2005 11:28 pm, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil > > to each other. > > if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group I almost took a vow to stay depressed. But now a ray of hope. By public demand (ahem even without ) I promise to be acerbic and spout black humour. Can u imagine using GNU/linux without being so spirited. I mean who would want to be a socialist distributing free software when the vulture capatalistas are circling overhead with gadzillions in cash barely able to avoid the next crash. But then you would have to be a sado-masochist with acute amenisia to use ie exploder on Windows eXtra Problems. And an abominable beast from hell to write programs you sell to customers for use on windows with an office suite on the 20th floor, particularly since i feel a desperate urge to leap from there every time is see a BSOD. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by V.K.Bharadwaj 16 May '05

16 May '05

>>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil >>> to each other. >> if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group >> kg > >I second that! He is part of an endangered species of people who actually speak their minds. >Gishu Friends, Gishu beat me to seconding kg. So I'd 'third' it so to speak, if that helps. This thread (acers laptop) was interesting and educative. I speak probably for many of the lurkers like myself on this group when I say... I've probably never met jtd or kg or Gishu or many like them except via the mail digests of the group. They add great value to the group and many of them have above average skills with their tech-appreciation, sharing, plus language/communications. jtd stays here please, else I may leave too. Vydya PS. Dear list-admin, Due apologies for top-posting earlier. Thanks Vydya

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[OT] LCD Panel
by vaibhav samant 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, Does anyone know, where in Mumbai, can I get an LCD panel along with cables to be connected to my Linux Server. Approx how much do they cost? Thanku. Vai

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Re: cisa/cissp ..any info??
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

Posting this on the list since it might be useful On Sunday 15 May 2005 19:10, Trevor Warren wrote: > Evening JTD, > > Thanks for the frank info. I have a lot of questions for you. > Please help me decipher the answers when you have time on hand > dear. > > >> What would you suggest as the best possible way to get > >> through?. The general pattern is that You need to read the study material from CISA. It includes Q & A at the end of every chapter which gives you a feel of the questions. > >> Is there some specific study pattern you think should > >> be adopted?. Read up the CISA material and practice the sample questions. Generate your own questions and answers. DO NOT MUG the CISA MATERIAL. 2 hrs a day for a month should be enough. But I know of quite a large number "studying" for 3+ hrs for 4 months and failing (i think due to fatigue). Please note that i read the boring stuff cause my CA wanted me to help him and we spent 2 hrs a day for about a 2 months on alternate days. I also attended a few classes conducted by the CISA Mumbai chapter, which i found mostly to be "a general intro to IT by the clueless for the clueless". The questions are multiple choice types, mostly wordplay, twisting simple facts into convoluted statements. The result is that you can't guess answers. And the exam is easy (should be considering that i passed it first shot). > >> Also, has the certification benefitted you in any > >> way?. since i never planned a career in IT audit, i never attempted to use it in any way. But imo it would help (particularly to members on this list since they are clued in to "real" IT), since most financial institutions respect the certification and most banks sponsor candidates for the exam. But one needs to pay extortion fees every year in order to remain a member of the "oh so elite CISA club". In return they offer discounts on some books and periodicals, IT Audit tools etc. > >> Would you recommend any other certification other than a > > CISA/CISSP that would help boost a career from a Techno Managerial > point of view Both would be useful. CISA focuses on general IT infrastructure and CISSP on IT security. Both follow the same principles of audit but in completely different directions. Since RBI has mandated IT audit for banks (and more recently SEBI for companies), It would be a fair guess that demand for these certifications will be high. Competition comes from ICFAI which is offering a similiar certification program. BTW i have been thinking of a CISSP certification since it is considerd to be tough and would love to prove em wrong. rgds jtd > > > Thanks and take care JTD. > > Trevor > > On 5/14/05, sherlock(a)vsnl.com <sherlock(a)vsnl.com> wrote: > > On Saturday 14 May 2005 09:39, Trevor Warren wrote: > > > Sirji, > > > > > > Me needs some info and books on cisa/cissp. Any idea whom to > > > turn to?. > > > > Cisa is utterly different from CISSP. > > I took the CISA test for fun (my CA said it was very tough) 4 yrs > > ago and passed first shot (most take at least two attempts). So > > it's quite easy. I think i have photocopies of typical questions > > and answers for CISA. > > http://www.isacamumbai.org > > should help. > > > > rgds > > jtd

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[Commercial] Job Openings for Sys. Admin
by OSPOnline 16 May '05

16 May '05

Greetings Everybody, We have immediate openings for Linux System Administrators. Those interested may send their profiles along with their salary details to admin(a)ospians.com or jobs(a)pearlconsultants.com at the earliest. Regards, Aishwarya

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[Commercial] File System Design & Implementation Training
by Concepts Systems 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hello All, Concepts has always been in forefront for providing software professionals with right directions, methodology to ensure that they remain on cutting edge of development and continue to win, with quality training from experienced Industry Experts. We are extremely happy to announce first of its kind special batch of �File System Design and Implementation for Linux�. During course, our team of File Systems professionals will be on hand to discuss: 1) File System Basics 2) Advanced FS features 3) File System Objects 4) File System Architecture for Linux 5) Fast I/O and Metadata Operations 6) Ext2 implementation overview 7) Kernel Memory Management & Allocation 8) Implementation of dummy file system 9) Overview of advance cluster file system Detail syllabus is available at http://www.conceptssys.com/SyllabusPdf/LinuxFileSystems.pdf Don�t miss this opportunity to see first-hand how Concepts illustrates File System Fundamentals across the Linux platform with a discussion of broader operating systems issues for developers as well as practical issues related to development of file systems and cluster file systems. Prerequisite: Participants must have an understanding of Linux Kernel Programming or have taken �Linux Device Driver� Course. Start Date: 23rd May 2005 Total Duration: 40 Hrs Days: Mon, Wed, Fri Timings: 08:45 AM - 10:15 AM Please note that entries are only with prior registration. If you have any queries feel free to mail us at training(a)conceptssys.com Or call us on 020-25381126. Thanks & Regards, Team, Concepts. www.conceptssys.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 16 May '05

16 May '05

>> All the same, it would definitely help if we could all stay civil >> to each other. >if jtd changes his style - i'm leaving this group >kg I second that! He is part of an endangered species of people who actually speak their minds. Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Online Installation of FC3
by saurabh daptardar 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, > On 13 May 2005 08:23:49 -0000, manish kumar > <manish_compbug(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done online. I was not able to find anything on "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to install it online. If anybody of you know how to do that, then please tell me how to proceed. > Steps for network installation 1) The entire distribution should be on the server 2) Copy the files from pxeboot directory to your local machine (initrd.imgand kernel) 3) Add entry to grub.conf and boot using these files 4) Installation process begins. Specify the URL of the distribution ftp://ftp.server.com/.../..../os Regards, Saurabh Daptardar P.S: Is this the write way to post ?

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SITEWATCH: apc.org and Free Software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 15 May '05

15 May '05

------------------------------------------------------------------ SITEWATCH: http://www.apc.org/english/news/os_index.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------ HOME MEMBERS ICT CAPACITY WOMEN ABOUT Version en Espanol POLICY BUILDING & ICT APC The Association for Progressive Communications - Internet and ICTs for Social Justice and Development Free Software Developers tell us about their favourite ActionApps-based site and the benefits for them of using APC's free software MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- *Oliver Zielke of Web Networks, Canada on AttavikApps, a derivation of ActionApps which allows the Inuit to publish online in their own language. *Jaime Torres of Peru on SIA an agrarian system for Peruvian farmers developed by CEPES in Lima *Sarah Escandor-Tomas on the *Voting Campaign for the Presidential Elections Centre for Migrant Advocacy* developed by WomensHub, Philippines. * And more! Audio interviews now ready to listen to. - 04/15/2005 More Free software camp in Asia brought together non-profits and grassroots hackers BANGALORE, India, -- In late January, India's technology mecca Bangalore became the venue for an international 'camp' intended to promote free and open source software (FOSS) among civil society. Asia Source, as the 'tech camp' is called, was held from January 28 to February 4, 2005 and "hopes to bring together over a hundred people from 20 countries to increase the use and awareness of FOSS amongst the non-profit sector in South and South East Asia." - 01/28/2005 More World Social Forum: Open Systems for Open Politics LONDON, UK, -- The World Social Forum has open information systems in place to go with an open political ethos. All of about 1,000 computers at the forum are using free software. The official website has been developed for the first time in 'php,' an open source language. A new translation system is also a free software tool. The Forum is hosted in Brazil, a nation whose government at the first phase of the World Summit on the Information Society held in Geneva in 2003, strongly opposed intellectual property on software, and succeeded in getting this omitted from the final resolution. - 01/26/2005 More >> NGOs, searching long for alternatives, find flavour in alt.software GOA, India, -- For an sector that talks of alternatives, the non-governmental organisations (NGOs) or voluntary sector stays surprisingly aloof from one significant alternative that has really worked -- free software. But there are stirrings to bridge this huge chasm. In end-January, India's technology mecca Bangalore is to be the venue for an international, APC-supported 'camp' meant to promote FLOSS among the NGO sector. - 01/22/2005 More >> Progressive programmers from across the APC and beyond gather in South Africa MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- Progressive technology organisations all over the world met in Cape Town to discuss the future of the free content management system - ActionApps. ActionApps is a software that makes websites easier to manage and more dynamic and facilitates the creation of portal sites, improving the visibility of civil society information. Almost 40 developers from as far afield as Egypt, Cambodia, Spain, Peru and the Philippines debated future plans, sustainability, documentation needs and a new online campaigning action kit for activists which will come to life in 2005. - 11/26/2004 More >> Training on free and open source software for NGOs MANILA, Philippines, -- The Foundation for Media Alternatives (FMA), together with key free and open source software (FOSS) advocates in the country organized a training-workshop for Philippine non-government organizations (NGOs). Held on 28-29 October 2004 and attended by 30 participants from 18 organizations, the learning activity sought to impart not only with the necessary skills and knowledge of FOSS but more importantly, to provide the trainees with the confidence in using FOSS-based applications. - 11/24/2004 More >> Resistance in Hungary to EU proposals on software patenting BUDAPEST, Hungary, -- A crowd of about four hundred turned out to demonstrate against proposed European software patents legislation. It was the first "geeky", free-software related demonstration in Hungary said APC member Green Spider, organised by groups not typically used to leaving their computer screens to get their voices heard. - 09/30/2004 More >> The Zitt Geeks - Young Nigerians turn to computing to improve their job prospects BAYANLOCO, Nigeria, -- The Fantsuam Foundation provides refurbished computers to civil society organisations and partners, runs computer training centres and offers the only internet connection for hundreds of miles around in rural Nigeria. All this in Kafanchan State where electricity is often unavailable and innovators power their computers using car batteries. The Foundation*s work is supported by a home-grown corps of ICT youth volunteers, the Zitt Geeks. The Geeks are already free software devotees and they are the first participants in Fantsuam*s business incubator which provides training, mentoring and funding to enable enterprising youths to become self-employed. - 08/30/2004 More >> Hands-on workshop on free software targets women technicians from Southern Africa JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, -- From 6-10 September 2004 in Johannesburg, South Africa, APC member Women'sNet hosted a southern Africa-wide workshop to build awareness of and demonstrate the potential use of free and open source software (FOSS) in the non-profit sector, and women's organisations specifically. - 08/30/2004 More >> Cambodians have access to Khmer-language email software for the first time PHNOM PEN, Cambodia, -- Until now, a native Cambodian has needed to be able to read in a foreign language to be able to send email in Cambodia. Software was not available in Khmer. But APC's member organisation in Cambodia, the Open Forum, is changing that. The KhmerOS portal, set up earlier this year to bring together previously isolated developers is starting out by providing Khmer translations of well-known free applications such as the powerful e-mail application, Thunderbird. Thunderbird was ready for use after just two months - sixty days earlier than expected! The Open Forum has sent APC the report on their advances in the first half of 2004. - 07/30/2004 More >> Free and open source software sweeps US non-profit tech conference PHILADELPHIA, USA, -- Looking around at the recent Non-Profit Technology Enterprise Network conference in Philadelphia, it would have been easy to think that free and open source software is sweeping the non-profit world. With an attendance of over 700 people, this year's NTEN event featured a full track of six workshops on free and open source software (FOSS) topics - almost all of which were packed. - 04/28/2004 More >> Tea and internet security advice come in the same cup at recent Hungarian green meeting BUDAPEST, Hungary, -- Once again, at the Annual Meeting of Hungarian Green Non-profits (OT2004) APC member Green Spider offered herbal teas and sound internet access, training and advice to participants. Raising awareness of environmental contamination and in support of free software, Green Spider collected up visitors' old CD-roms and exchanged them for new GNU/Linux CDs. - 04/28/2004 More >> Choosing open source software: Decision-making materials for civil society organisations MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- Free and open source software (FOSS) holds a great deal of potential for civil society organisations. The most obvious benefit of FOSS is that it is often free to use or low-cost. However, it also offers more including -crucially- better security. Ddid you know that if your computer uses the GNU/Linux operating system you don't have to use anti-virus software? No more days or data lost recovering from the latest virus... The materials available in the MultiMedia Toolkit's latest unit on FOSS provide an introduction to FOSS, tackling questions like 'what is open source?' and 'how will it benefit my organisation?' They also include practical advice on how to review open source software packages and select the right ones for your organisation. - 03/29/2004 More >> APC ActionApps is one of the top 10 open source tools for e-Activism MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, -- APC*s free content management system designed specifically for progressive organisations to publish news automatically and share content at the click of a button has been nominated one of the best open source software tools that can be used by activists to spread the message and promote interaction by e-newsletters, forums, blogs, and online petitions. Compiled by Dan Bashaw and Mike Gifford in an article for the Democracies Online Newswire APC ActionApps came out tops along with other well-known applications like PostNuke, Twiki and WebCards. - 02/07/2004 More >> New intellectual property law forces Cambodians to start developing their own Khmer-language software PHNOM PENH, Cambodia, -- *We envision, in 2007, a country where Cambodians can learn and use computers in their own language, a country that does not have to change to a new language in order to use computers!* say the activists behind the new KhmerOS initiative. Until now, computer use in Cambodia has been mostly in English, and mostly using unlicensed copies of Microsoft Windows products. However, a new Cambodian intellectual property law means that a user will have to purchase a license for each copy of software sold by companies such as Microsoft and that*s unaffordable for most Cambodian computer users. This new portal coordinated by APC member, Open Forum of Cambodia, gets together some previously isolated developers and is starting out by providing Khmer translations of well-known free software programmes such as Mozilla (the powerful web browser and mail programme). But the eventual goal is to create a full applications package under GNU/Linux, "which has 90% of all applications which 100% of all users need". Find out more about the motivation behind KhmerOS. - 02/04/2004 More >> Farmers and local government in rural Peru use free APC software LIMA, Peru, -- CEPES, one of APC's newest members, has trained participants in a rural-urban information service to set up a portal and exchange agricultural information from six telecentres in a remote area of the northern Peruvian sierras. A replication of the course is being organised for staff at the Peruvian Ministry of Agriculture's offices in the same region. The technology of choice is APC's free software, APC ActionApps. - 01/29/2004 More >> Idlelo - First African Conference on Digital Commons Cape Town, South Africa, -- The conference addressed the challenges and opportunities of the creation and use of free / open source software and open content and their development potential for Africa. The conference had both strategic and practical objectives, as it sought to bring together participants from government, education, business and civil society together with the developer community. - 01/16/2004 More >> Making it easier to build online information communities using APC*s free software: APC ActionApps MONTVIDEO, Uruguay, -- APC ActionApps allows anyone to publish online without knowing any programming or learning specialised software. It*s a content management system design specifically for progressive organisations. And because it is being developed and adopted all over the world APC ActionApps software is available in English, Spanish, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian, Japanese and German. Find out more about the ActionApps! - 01/05/2004 More >> *Free Software and Digital Inclusion*, a new book published in Brazil RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil, -- Two of the directors of APC member in Rio de Janeiro, RITS, are co-authors of *Free Software and Digital Inclusion* which was published in Brazil in August. *The book is an interesting project,* says RITS information coordinator, Graciela Baroni Selaimen, *and it*s part of a larger much larger digital inclusion initiative by the Sao Paulo e-government which is setting up community telecentres in marginal and often violent neighbourhoods throughout the city.* RITS is administering the telecentres and providing training in the use of free software. Visit RITS. - 09/15/2003 More Foundation for Africa: Action plan for the next three years JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, -- The Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa (FOSSFA) in conjunction with APC has completed an action plan for 2003-2005 and a briefing on the state of FOSS in Africa. - 07/02/2003 More >> HOME | MEMBERS | INTERNET RIGHTS | CAPACITY BUILDING | WOMEN & ICT | ABOUT APC Copyleft Association for Progressive Communications APC 1999 - 2005 - Contact APC .......................................................................... Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490 | http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..........................................................................

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Re: Re: Meeting details required
by Roshan 15 May '05

15 May '05

have u ever used google ? do u have access to internet ? if yes use this link http://www.google.co.in/search?q=reaching+iitb Actually, Later on I found you from ilug's website how to reach...Sorrry for not having a look at the website :-( who conducts ? its a community - anyone who can spare few hrs a month getting a venue and topic on in place. who heads the org of linux users ? who heads linux ? who heads internet ? The question I had put up, was, with the intention of thinking that there is someone who initiates a meeting and later on information is passed on to everyone, and that someone is the person who actually is responsible for forming this group in Mumbai. Secondly, I thought he/she would represent the community worldwide. read the archives ... fyi its eclipse ... :) I got the idea of the meeting, however, I thought I could give presentation about some topic related to GNU/Linux distros. (Small presentation) :) -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 15 May '05

15 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. >;) Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to months... Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external parts of the lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall off then you need to pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They only have warranty for the internal parts. I own a dell. It costed me a pretty penny and I can vouch for their build quality and after sales service :) And their warranty covers all parts - internal and external ;). They cover everything but dont protect against arson or theft. Regards, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Meeting details required
by Roshan 15 May '05

15 May '05

Hi everyone, Can anyone give me the exact address of the location KReSIT, IIT Bombay(Mumbai)? Please also specify the best way to get there from Ghatkopar or Vidyavihar. I would also like to know who actually conducts the meetings and who heads this organization of Linux Users. Do the members of this group give presentations in the meetings? What is the agenda of the meeting Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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Resizing partitions
by Nikhil Marathe 15 May '05

15 May '05

I am trying to reduce the size of a partition. In the various guides i read they have told to first resize the filesystem then delete and recreate the partition with fdisk. But how do I get the resized fs size in sectors and won't deleting the partition and recreating it delete the filesystem on it and the data with it.(I have a backup) Nikhil

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cissp/cisa study material
by deshpande＠vsnl.com 14 May '05

14 May '05

CISSP A cissp study book is available at computer Book Shop DN Road Fort Mumbai 400 001 For CISA visit their site and enroll yourself You will start getting their regilar mails and snail-mails Also at Matunga the CISA conducts regular courses for their June exams Bookings usually starts at Nov-Dec and closes by Feb Mahesh Deshpande Tel 09322034838

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cissp/cisa study material[ot]
by Trevor Warren 14 May '05

14 May '05

Morning Guys/Gals, Any idea about the CISA/CISSP exams and where i can lay me hands on some cisa/cissp study material. Thanks and take care. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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DLink ADSL Site
by Rony Bill 14 May '05

14 May '05

Dear Friends, I came across this usefull site from dlink for MTNL's adsl modem. http://www.dlink.com.au/Default.aspx?ArticleID=730 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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[OT]Mozilla Arbitrary Code Execution Security Flaw
by Asit Vadhavkar 13 May '05

13 May '05

FYI : http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6582 - asit.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Friday 13 May 2005 13:17, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > > >Try getting a scratched LCD replaced from ANY vendor. Or a crashed > >disk / Mobo if the body is dented or cracked. The warranties cover > >ONLY manufacturing defects not intentional or accidental misuse or > >use beyond the rated capacity. Read the fine print in the > > warranty. > > Umm...do I need to rewrite my post which I wrote for saswata's > reply? Dell does cover scratched screens, crashed disks / mobo, > dented, cracked body etc EXCEPT arson and theft.... And yes, I have > read the fine print and NO its not just against manufacturing > defects. > > *oh the ignorance!* Just to clear your ignorance, and inattention to detail Dell's standard warranty does not cover anything other than manufacturing defects. They have a "CompleteCover" warranty for which you pay more. And this warranty is valid only in some countries of Asia.So if u damage your laptop in London you will have to get back to one of these asian countries to get your warranty. But to keep the record straight the cost of the "CompleteCover" will determine wether it is useful to all. Imo a 15% hike in price would be justified. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Online Installation of FC3
by Nadiem 13 May '05

13 May '05

--- Arun Khan <arunkha(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 13 May 2005 08:23:49 -0000, manish kumar > <manish_compbug(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done > online. I was not able to find anything on > "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to > install it online. If anybody of you know how to do > that, then please tell me how to proceed. > > > > I suppose by online you mean, over the network. I've done it lots of times on RHEL. You need to copy the installation CDs to a server. Then boot your client from the first CD and type "linux askmethod" on the splash screen. Select the appropriate method from the menu. If you select NFS, then NFS should be properly configured on the server to export the installation files that you copied. Regards, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] ristricted download
by Sameer Niphadkar 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Fri, 13 May 2005 dhaval thakar wrote : > >dear all > i want to ristrict download for my user 3mb/day > >if he crossed his net should get blocked >even if he was just surfing and occupied 3mb > Taken from squid.conf # The coss store type: # # block-size=n defines the "block size" for COSS cache_dir's. # Squid uses file numbers as block numbers. Since file numbers # are limited to 24 bits, the block size determines the maximum # size of the COSS partition. The default is 512 bytes, which # leads to a maximum cache_dir size of 512<<24, or 8 GB. Note # you should not change the coss block size after Squid # has written some objects to the cache_dir. # # Common options: # # read-only, this cache_dir is read only. # # max-size=n, refers to the max object size this storedir supports. # It is used to initially choose the storedir to dump the object. # Note: To make optimal use of the max-size limits you should order # the cache_dir lines with the smallest max-size value first and the # ones with no max-size specification last. # # Note that for coss, max-size must be less than COSS_MEMBUF_SZ # (hard coded at 1 MB). # try reading the file for more info rgds Sameer 'You will be what you WILL to Be' -James Allen

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Online Installation of FC3
by manish kumar 13 May '05

13 May '05

Hi, I want to install FC3 but I wanted it to be done online. I was not able to find anything on "http://fedora.redhat.com/" which can guide me to install it online. If anybody of you know how to do that, then please tell me how to proceed. Regards, Manish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 20:56, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > > > >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire > > 3002 NLC (running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > > I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. Oh must have had ie exploiter installed. them varmits come free with it. > > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem > > with that. ;) > > Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to > months... > > Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external > parts of the lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall > off then you need to pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They > only have warranty for the internal parts. I own a dell. It costed > me a pretty penny and I can vouch for their build quality and after > sales service :) And their warranty covers all parts - internal and > external ;). They cover everything but dont protect against arson > or theft. Try getting a scratched LCD replaced from ANY vendor. Or a crashed disk / Mobo if the body is dented or cracked. The warranties cover ONLY manufacturing defects not intentional or accidental misuse or use beyond the rated capacity. Read the fine print in the warranty. rgds jtd

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ristricted download
by dhaval thakar 13 May '05

13 May '05

dear all i want to ristrict download for my user 3mb/day if he crossed his net should get blocked even if he was just surfing and occupied 3mb i m using squid as a proxy server thanks in advance

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a history of free software Ch. 8
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 May '05

13 May '05

The Daemon, the GNU and the Penguin, Ch. 8 - by Peter Salus http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050509140911151 rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by tramsmai 13 May '05

13 May '05

"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"<linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> wrote: Hi all, I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am unable to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit color depth.During installing I could not find the proper driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever I set the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works fine with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. Please guide me. hi, If your graphics card is of Nvidia u need to download the drivers corresponding to the graphics card and then install them go to Nvidia's website and you will find the instructions and drivers bye ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Abhishek Daga 12 May '05

12 May '05

--- Dinesh Joshi <dinesh_pro(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > > >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC > >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > > I once saw ants crawlling out of an acer laptop. > > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. > >;) > > Cheap == bad quality == not work for more than a few weeks to months... > > Plus, their warranty doesnt include the screen or any external parts of the > lappy. So if you scratch your screen or your keys fall off then you need to > pay for getting it repaired or replaced. They only have warranty for the > internal parts. I own a dell. It costed me a pretty penny and I can vouch > for their build quality and after sales service :) And their warranty covers > all parts - internal and external ;). They cover everything but dont protect > against arson or theft. > While we are on the topic of promoting the various brands, I'd say there is surely a connection between Toshibas and rock solid performance. especially the Tecra series.. almost battlefield standards. Alright, out you IBM and Sony lovers. Though it would take a shareholder of HP-Compaq user to promote their brand.. :) Or would they dare? -abhi Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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[OT] - Linux Book for beginners
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi, Don't know if this is old news... Just snagged a book off the shelves.. Linux Bible 2005 - Chris. Negus. (I got it for rs.440) I'm just about to finish the 2nd chapter. so far so good ... not ready to comment on the book yet. But the killer thing is that the book comes with a DVD + CD ( the list as far I could see) DVD - Knoppix (bootable), RedHat FC 2, Slackware, SUSE LiveCD CD - Damn Small Linux (bootable - a knoppix variant), Debian Sarge Knoppix rocks! Yesterday was the historic day that I heard an mp3 play from linux + the sweet thing was that I was running linux off a Disc. No partitioning, no installation woes. "It simply worked !!!" I'd recommend this for someone who is just trying out Linux for the first time and doesn't want to "Initialize" his HDD Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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global address book using Open LDAP?
by agencies_ad1＠sancharnet.in 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hello. Is there any comprehensive how to out there to set up global address book using Open LDAP? Thank you Komal ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program

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Problems loading XFree86 in 24-bit color and 1024x768 resolution on intelD845GLVA p4 motherboard
by rakesh hazra 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi all, I am having problems with graphics in debian.I am unable to run XFree86 in 1024x768 resolution and 24-bit color depth.During installing I could not find the proper driver for the graphics so I used vesa.But whenever I set the color-depth as 24-bit, it does not work.It works fine with 16-bit color depth.But the screen-size and video-quality is not upto my satisfaction. Please guide me. ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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bad magic number in superblock
by Karia Amit 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hi all, I am trying to open file system through debugfs command and then /open command under it however its giving me 'bad magic number in superblock while opening file system' error how do i go about resolving it please guide as i want to list all deleted files in last 5 days "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Amit Karia +919819851812

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] India eyes own open-source license
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 12 May '05

12 May '05

On Thursday 12 May 2005 00:49, Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5701861.html > > India eyes own open-source license > By Michael Kanellos, CNET News.com > Published on ZDNet News: May 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT > > MUMBAI, India--In the seemingly never-ending quest to balance > openness with profits, one of India's more influential professors > is devising yet another open-source licensing program. > > Deepak Phatak of the Indian Institute of Technology has kicked off > an effort to create the Knowledge Public License, or KPL, a > licensing program that will let programmers share ideas with one > another while at the same time allowing them to retain the rights > to their own software modifications. the gpl automatically retains the copyrights of the creator with the creator. The creator assigns these rights to others. He can also provide the same work with any other licence he chooses. What the gpl specifically disallows is taking this code and using it without providing the recipients the rights granted by the contributor and contributors with accreditation etc. Nothing prevents you or me from obtaining a piece of code under a different licence form the copyright holder. With all due respect to the justifiably lauded Prof. Pathak, I see this licence as yet another (doomed) attempt like the Sun licence. What commercial organisations would love to do is get their hands on other's work without having to do the hardwork or paying. IMO you can take copyrighted code, read it and REIMPLEMENT it independently. But that would be incredible hard with gpld code because gpld code resolves quickly with the most optimal solution. Recoding would mostly end up with a much less than optimal solution, not counting other very MAJOR cost factors like testing and documenting and paying for people who can actually think. IMO its not the licence but the bussiness model which needs some creative thinking. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 12 May '05

12 May '05

Whatever can be done to reduce the cost of affordable computing be it Free Software / Open Source / Closed Software....market forces will see its adoption. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 12 May '05

12 May '05

Shanti bhuva...!!!. The despicable person in me decided to take a long hike and stop yapping crap.:D. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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India eyes own open-source license
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 12 May '05

12 May '05

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5701861.html India eyes own open-source license By Michael Kanellos, CNET News.com Published on ZDNet News: May 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT MUMBAI, India--In the seemingly never-ending quest to balance openness with profits, one of India's more influential professors is devising yet another open-source licensing program. Deepak Phatak of the Indian Institute of Technology has kicked off an effort to create the Knowledge Public License, or KPL, a licensing program that will let programmers share ideas with one another while at the same time allowing them to retain the rights to their own software modifications. The license will likely function much like the Berkeley Software Distribution or the MIT License programs, he added. The idea is to create an environment where developers can take advantage of the collaborative power of the open-source movement while giving individuals the ability to exploit their own twists. Ideally, such a program could also help ease the raging tensions between the open-source software movement and proprietary software companies. "The free software people are afflicted by what I call the J factor, which is the jealousy factor. The proprietary people are afflicted by the G factor, the greed factor. They want to maximally extract money from the world," Phatak said in an interview here. "I am working to tell the world, 'Please permit these groups to coexist peacefully and harmoniously. There is a tremendous advantage to everyone.'" "Legally, we have to move very carefully because the Americans have a tendency to sue anybody for anything," he added. The number of open-source licensing programs has expanded rapidly in the past few years. Under some programs, such as the General Public License, developers have to publish their modifications if the modifications are used outside their own operations. Many in the open-source community have complained about the proliferation of licensing models and taken action to curtail the numbers. Budding software powerhouse If anything, Phatak's licensing proposal comes with the power of numbers. India's 1,750 colleges with computer science and electrical engineering degrees admit about 250,000 students a year, he said. That's up from 1983, when there were 70 colleges admitting 5,000 students a year. Combined with the boom in outsourcing, this makes India one of the major centers for software development. A contest sponsored by Red Hat seeking new concepts for open-source software drew more than 2,000 proposals, Phatak said. Winners will be announced in a few weeks. Phatak has also created the Ekalavya program to stimulate open-source ideas. Under the program (named after a Hindu legend), students submit ideas to a collaborative portal. Those with promising ideas are then linked up with mentors in the industry. "Let me tell you my dream: Today, India is a net taker in the open-source community. In four years, I want the world to recognize India as a net giver, and that is entirely possible" he said. While collaboration between universities and private enterprise is not as pervasive in India as it is in the U.S., it's growing, according to many sources. For instance, start-ups created to exploit technology that was developed at universities have begun to pop up, according to Rishi Navani, managing director at WestBridge Capital Partners, a venture firm specializing in Indo-U.S. investments. One example is Strand Genomics, which specializes in analytical software for drug discovery and development. Professors at major institutions such as the Indian Institute of Technology or the Indian Institute of Science also sit on technology advisory boards with corporations and government agencies, which are often run by their former students. ("The IIT is a big club," said one graduate.) Recently, a large insurance company adopted thin clients rather than PCs in part because an IIT study showed that it could cut ownership costs by about two-thirds, Phatak said. A recent visitor to Phatak's office was Microsoft Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie. "I told him a competitive price point (for a desktop OS) would be in the single digit dollars," Phatak said. END OF FORWARDED STORY [Thanks to Sunil Abraham for drawing attention to this story.-FN] _____ _/ ____\____ Frederick Noronha (FN) * Freelance Journalist \ __\/ \ Goa India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.goanet.org \/

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Word wrapping in Emacs
by Sandesh Singh 12 May '05

12 May '05

I wanted to know how to set up word-wrapping in Emacs. I went to the top level customization group -> Editing -> Fill and set a few options, but there seems to be no difference. Also, will the word wrapping work if I go back and press a few backspaces? Is there a way to justify-align my text documents? Like the man pages that come fully-filled to 80 columns (padded with spaces)? -- Sandy (http://sandesh247.blogspot.com) He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others. -- Samuel Johnson

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] delete file from inode number
by Nadiem 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Suppose i have some file with some difficult > character for ex ■hel∞.sh in linux . I > want to delete the file from inode number how do i > do that.. is it possible to delete the file if we > have just the inode number rm `find -inum xxxx` where xxxx is the inode number. Regards, Nadiem. Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html

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delete file from inode number
by Karia Amit 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi all, Suppose i have some file with some difficult character for ex ■hel∞.sh in linux . I want to delete the file from inode number how do i do that.. is it possible to delete the file if we have just the inode number "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Amit Karia +919819851812

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RTlinux training in Mumbai
by onkar mahajan 11 May '05

11 May '05

I am looking for RTOs training in Mumbai (preferably Main/Hrbr line). Can any one help me. Onkar Mahajan

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party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Trevor Warren 11 May '05

11 May '05

FYI. http://news.com.com/AMD+debuts+low-cost+Net+device/2100-1042_3-5430689.html… Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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GLUG meet 22nd May 2005 on Eclipse
by Venkatesh Hariharan 11 May '05

11 May '05

The next GLUG meet will be held on 22nd May 2005 at 3PM at the DEP auditorium of the Kanwal Rekhi School of IT (KReSIT), IIT Bombay. The topic for this GLUG meet will be Eclipse, an integrated development environment that was open-sourced by IBM. Mohan Jayakar of IBM will be giving us an introduction to Eclipse. You can read more about Eclipse at www.eclipse.org. Eclipse has gained a lot of momentum and is gaining more and more developers. A roundup of Eclipse related news can be had from this link: http://www.eweek.com/category2/0,1738,1485700,00.asp I am not aware of past history but this could be the first pan-Indian GLUG meet!!! This GLUG meet is being held in the Distance Education Program auditorium at KReSIT, IIT Bombay and will be broadcast to the other 11 DEP remote centers listed below: 1) Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology, IIT Bombay, Mumbai 2) Mahatma Gandhi Mission's College of Engineering and Technology, Nanded 3) Center for Development of Advanced Computing, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai 4) Shri G.S. Institute of Technology and Science, Indore 5) Sinhgad Technical Education Society, Pune 6) Visvesvaraya National Institute of Technology, Nagpur 7) Virtual Institute of Training of Goa University, Goa 8) Persistant Systems Pvt. Ltd., Pune 9) K.C.E. Society's, Mooljee Jaitha College, Jalgaon 10) Nirma Institute of Technology, Ahmedabad 11) Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute,Mumbai GLUG members at these remote centers are also welcome to attend this GLUG meet and IIT will also be sending out invitations to its collaborators at the remote centers. As always, the program is open to everyone and there are no fees for attending this GLUG meet. See you all on the 22nd of May, 3PM for a non-solar Eclipse! Venky

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acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Erle Pereira 11 May '05

11 May '05

Acers Laptop Ad in Times of India (today: 9th May '05), page 15.the "fine print" *** "the Linux that is loaded is a free version and would have limited functionality until another operating system is installed" *** this is really stupid!... can anything be done to educate the acer guys? this doesn't make any sense. It is extremely misleading. What "Missing / defunct " functionality are they talking about? I think it will take us very little time to get *fully* functional *free* *Linux* working on that laptop that they can give out. anyone has any contact with acer? Free software doest work like proprietary stuff which revels in *limited" functionality. Ads like these are _extremely misleading, damaging and do more to confuse people about GNU / FSF than anything else. more M$ fud ? c'ya Erle

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] party time...low cost pcs to hit the stand
by Abhishek Daga 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > FYI. > > http://news.com.com/AMD+debuts+low-cost+Net+device/2100-1042_3-5430689.html… > > Trevor > I was about to put out a missing person AD for Trevor Warren and his insights and posts. What gives? Are you gagged or is a silence vow in place? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GPL related clarification sought
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 11 May '05

11 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 20:27, Abhishek Daga wrote: > >--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > I am absolutely sure of the above. However IANAL. So take a legal > > opinion from two lawyers together a copyright expert and a > > contract expert if you plan on tangling legally with RH or Suse > > or whoever. If you are planning a bussiness by placing > > restrictions on the recipient, perish the thought. > > > > Final word. If the original code is gpld, you can copy and > > distribute the code and the binary to your hearts content - > > contract or no contract. > > Thank you. great insights. > > a) As far as placing restrictions on the recipients.. Well, not > that I would, but if I could, wouldnt that be so cool? It would not. Apart from the moral and legal issues it is a pain to maintain upgrades to your code given the everchanging hardware and software environment. A case in point M$ lifted the bsd tcpip stack and yet their closed version has far more security flaws a few yrs later than a newer bsd and linux stack. quite obviously they do not have the resources to foldback new developments from bsd into their own stuff or the ie exploder which was also based on a NCSA rendering engine (afaik). > > b) Not planning to tangle with Suse or RH, but am wondering, > whether I need to "buy" 40 licences or subscriptions to RHEL or > SuSe when I could buy 1 and load on all. How would it affect my > working. Would I be breaking the law in any form and can anyone > kick my butt for it. They can stop you from accessing their upgrade services. That is all. In any case imo you are better off with Debian if you are not using RH's / Suse's services. Using their services allows you to concentrate on your bussiness instead of worrying about a million different things. It also helps a lot in pointing a finger when things go wrong (with GNU/Linux hardly ever). > > Since an "activation" is required, would i be able to start it at > all? No idea at all. > > Not that RHI has shown any interest in making me a paid customer > despite a couple of requests. I guess business must already be > super for them which in turn means Open Source is already quite > happening on a commercial scale. go RH. GNU/Linux is definetly a very happening place I assure you. Particularly in organizations with poor IT setups. And there are many such with 300 up pcs and a handful of servers. Why should RH be bothered with 40 machines, when the same effort can rake in the cash for 400. Which is why Linux on the home user desktop has not caught on as much as it should - it does not make commercial sense. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Clinton Goveas 11 May '05

11 May '05

Amol Hatwar wrote: > Pedantically, there is a lot of difference between cost-effective, > inexpensive and cheap ;). And its a good thing most of us know that difference. -- Clinton Goveas - http://www.clintongoveas.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] acers latop AD: can we do something ?
by Dinesh Joshi 10 May '05

10 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >I disagree that Acer sucks. I should know. I own an Acer Aspire 3002 NLC >(running Mandrake Linux 10.1). > >As for being cheap, I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. >;) > >Pedantically, there is a lot of difference between cost-effective, >inexpensive and cheap ;). I forgot to mention. The dell is running Fedora Core :) Regards, Dinesh. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GPL related clarification sought
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 May '05

10 May '05

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 15:05, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 10/05/05 01:53 -0700, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > > > > Questions > > a) Does that mean I can buy 1 copy of SuSe/Xandros/RHES/ and > > distribute it as many times as I want? > > RHES is distributed under a specific (FSF approved) contract. Ask > your lawyer for information on the specifics. whatever the contract says u dont care. If the contract prevents u from excersing the rights as assigned in the gpl, the contract is null and void and RH Suse whoever cannot distribute or prevent you from distributing. > > > b) Some Linux distros have the system of activation keys. Is that > > in violation of GPL terms? Which distro. One such - Fortinet - lost a case and gpld everything. " News.com reports that Fortinet has settled its GPL violation suit. "Fortinet has agreed to provide the source code of the Linux kernel and other GPL-licensed components to any interested party. The code is available upon request, for the cost of distribution, from the Fortinet Web site. The company has also agreed to modify its licensing agreement to include the GPL licensing terms with all Fortinet shipments. The settlement agreement also states that no Fortinet partners are subject to legal action." > > For Instance, if I am required to activate my Distro online then > > logically the same activation key will NOT work for the copies of > > the distro? Which therefore prevents me from giving it away for > > free? The activation key is for updates from their website. Quite obviously bandwidth costs money. Hence the machines with copies you make will not be permitted to connect to the website. You could ofcourse setup your own website with the upgrades and have your clones connect to the same. > > Again, ask your lawyer for advice. > > > So is the original statement on that site itself interpreted > > incorrectly or I am reading it out of context? > > This deals with the specifics of copyright and contract laws, and > as such, the best person to answer this would be your lawyer. Read my first line - contract or no contract - u dont care. You cannot have a contract that violates some other part of the law. In this case the rights assigned to a recipient is contingent on the fact that the same right is automatically assigned to the next recipient, without exception of any kind. So if distributor signs a contract to the contrary with anyone they have automatically abrogated their right to distribute and are in fact in violation of the copyrights of numerous contributors to the distro. The contract they have made you sign is illegal and they have willfully committed an illegal act. and have no right to distribute. And as a result you are not bound by the contract and are free to distribute and that you too could file a suit of fraud against distributor for misleading you into an illegal contract. However you cannot file a copyright violation suit against distributor, unless you are a code contributor (Afaik Philip Tellis could do so as also Karunakar of Indic fame). Note that contracts permit two parties to sign away their own rights, not the rights of others, which is what this contract does. This is irrespective of the fact that distributor is offering a service of compiling, debugging, packaging etc. These services are what they can charge for. Infact they can charge the recipient without providing any of these services. Eg you cannot have a contract with me to sell Devdas' house, because u dont own it.But suppose Devdas leases his house to you with a clause permitting subleasing, subject to the condition that the subleasee can further sublease in whole or part and that no leasee can remove this clause in their downstream sublease contract. Then you can sublease to me some or all part of the apartment and i can do the same and so on. Note that we cannot introduce a clause preventing subleasing as per the original contract. So If i sign a contract with someone else preventing sub leasing, i immediately loose the right to sublease. However I can continue to use my portion of the apartment. I am absolutely sure of the above. However IANAL. So take a legal opinion from two lawyers together a copyright expert and a contract expert if you plan on tangling legally with RH or Suse or whoever. If you are planning a bussiness by placing restrictions on the recipient, perish the thought. Final word. If the original code is gpld, you can copy and distribute the code and the binary to your hearts content - contract or no contract. rgds jtd

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