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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Home network (connecting 2 pc's)
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

You just got yourself one helluva job there... I did the exact same thing.. I chose to keep my trusty old PII and bought a new heavy box with all the frills. Hey why throw a perfectly good thing + it was my first m/c :) I had Win98SE on the old box and XP on the new one. I also got the crossover cable and setup my Lan Cards now you are neck deep in ####. Both of them just didn't want to talk to each other. Cutting this story short, I ran the Home Network wizard over and over and over and finally one really bright day, I could see my XP Share in Win98. (Please remember this needs the Guest account to be activated on the XP box) Otherwise Win98 is shut out. Still XP can't see the 98 box... god knows why (XP I believe came out later than 98 or am I in a time warp ???) I haven't dared touch my current setup Then another really bright day, I got the bug of setting up Linux on the 98 box. I had the dream of surfing in Linux. I took out my RHL 8.0 Cds. To my great surprise I found RHL 8 won't install on XP after some desperate posts. On my 98 box, it just skimmed over in an hour. Now comes the sticky part, RHL 8.0 detects my modem but can't "activate" it. I haven't managed to get back to my adventure... Pull up your socks man .. it's a rocky road ahead. Do let me know if you manage to get it all up. I will know that atleast one guy on this planet has set up a home network in 2005 without having the sudden craving for a Colt 45 Gishu -----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Ninad Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:16 AM To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Home network (connecting 2 pc's) Hi Recently I bought a new motherboard and assembled a PC. The config is Intel P4 2.4ghz D845GVSR 256mb RAM,on board sound card,Dlink external modem. I used the HDD and cd rom drive of my old pc (a branded IBM PC) for the new one. I am duall booting Win XP and Slack 9.1 ( i am Now I have this pc as a spare PC for which I bought a HDD(40 gb) and also got a crossover cable. This Pc has a config of Celeron 500mhz 64mRAM 40gb HDD no CDrom No floppy drive. I want to connect these two PC's My questions 1.Can I make this old PC a linux only box (dual/triple boot Linux only) and connect to my dual boot new PC. this means that my primary partition should be linux native. 2.If (1) is possible then how do I load linux in this PC which has no Cd rom/floppy drive. 3.Which distro will be suitable as a primary distro. (i do not have problem if there is no GUI am comfortable with CLI) 4.Alternately I can create a Fat32 partition and load may be Win 98SE Any replies would be appreciated Thanks Ninad

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[semi commercial] Linux CDs
by swathantra software 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

Dear Sir, With pleasure we offer you the following latest GNU/Linux CDs. These CDs are ready to deliver immediately after receiving order. In case you need other specific free/open source packages, we can arrange that also on request. We look forward your valuable order. Mandrake 10.1 official Rs.220/- FEDORA CORE 3 -set of 4 Cds.Rs.220/- Fedora Core 3 64 bit -set of 4 Cds RS.250/- Mepis -set of 2 Cd Rs.120/- Knoppix 3.7 Rs.75/- Debian Sarge (test) Rs.40 per CD Debian 3.0r3 ( 7cd set) - Rs 480 K12LTSP-latest (4 cds) -Rs 260 Gentoo -Latest 2004.3 -2 Cds Rs.130/ Add Rupees 10/- for shipping charges by ordinary post. If you want delivery by courier, add courier charges extra Payments by DD/MO.( Draft/cheque in favour of s2s2, Cannanore Or Sujeevan.P,Cannanore) Payment by cash on delivery (V.P.P) is also available at extra cost. Payments thru UTI Bank also possible. For ordering please contact by mail or telephone. Sujeevan. P S2S2, 33/876,Brigade center,Ground floor, Near Prabhat Complex,Fort road, Kannur -670001. Kerala,India. Phone: Off 0497-2761182 Resi : 0497 -2790811 cell :09447449107 Email: s2s2service(a)gmail.com Web:http://s2s2net.netfirms.com

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a few replies
by BIJU KRISHNAN 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Amish : Thanks for the link...! i would evaluate the product and get back with a feedback..! Chirag : You could put an entry in rc.local (refer a script) to send a mail with all the logs /var/log/messages o/p of last o/p of history o/p of df -k For this u will need to configure sendmail as client on all servers..! This shd help u receive a mail every time reboots..! Also install tripwire to find any intrusions or changes in the files..! Harden ur servers before u put them in production..! u shd comment out ctrlaltdel in /etc/inittab it might be possible that somebody pressed Alt+Ctrl+Del on the console..! Animesh : have u worked on ACLs u once were excited abt...an excellent resource http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html bye rgds bijuCyborg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.

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ssh connection
by King 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi guys , I want to write a script that will check the ssh connection can u suggest me best method to do that apart from ping (telnet ) on the ssh port or nmap i knw that but anything better than this ... thanks in advance.. King __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Availability of cheap linux CD's
by Ninad 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi This is just to make a point that there are not enough people/organisations who distribute Linux Cd's or if there are any I dont know of them. Each time I wanted some Cd's I have struggled to find someone who can write them for me. Many a times I have found sites which advertise cheap linux Cd's but most are located outside Maharashtra none in mumbai or nearby. Can anyone help Require FC3,Slack10,Debian Sarge,K12ltsp. Thanks Ninad

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Boo Boo.
by lists＠munshi.biz 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Boo is a new object oriented statically typed programming language for the Common Language Infrastructure with a python inspired syntax and a special focus on language and compiler extensibility. http://docs.codehaus.org/display/BOO/Home Amish.

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Satire [OT]
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

http://www.theserverside.net/articles/showarticle.tss?id=Predictions2005 Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Marathon and Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

On Wednesday 12 January 2005 21:09, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote: > Dear Gluggers, > > FYI, Red Hat is the Technology Provider for the Standard Chartered > Mumbai Marathon. This means that all infrastructure in terms of > PCs, printers, laptop, internet etc will run on Red Hat Enterprise > Linux. This infrastructure will be used by media journalists, > volunteers, the commentator for the event etc. Excellent. Why not make a detailed presentation of the setup and put it up for the FUD brigade behind the gates to read. rgds jtd

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[commercial] Java/.Net programmers required
by Pankaj Dekate 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi Linuxers, ITELL Solutions is a fast growing software development company having corporate office at Mumbai, India.We are in urgent requirement of Programmers with the following skillsets : 1) Core Java/J2EE Knowledge of Struts will be an added advantage 2) .Net technologies Minimum experience : 1-3 years Ready to relocate to client location Salary will be at par with industry standards. Freshers will also be considered. Mail your resumes off the list to munish(a)itellsolutions.com Thanking you, Pankaj

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Mail Server Problem
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hi I replaced my crashed mail server(i.e sendmail on Redhat 9.0) machine (lets say machine A) with new machnine(say it machine B) and configured all mail accounts from scratch. Now machine B is working fine. After a month of time I fixed the hardware problem and also upgraded mail server of machine A and now I want to plug it again in my existing network and use it as the default mail server. Now I want to transfer all mail accounts and mails from B to A without discontinueing the mail service. What is the best way to do it? Regards, Bilal Ahmed Mazhar.

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Red Hat Scholarships Project List
by Venkatesh Hariharan 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Dear Gluggers, The project proposals submitted to the Red Hat Scholarships are now viewable online at the link given below: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/rhs/viewStdProposals_2004.jsp The categories under which projects have been submitted span from: Algorithm Application in Computer Aided Drug Discovery and Chemoinformatics Applications for Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs) Audio/Video applications like VoIP, feature recognition, text-to-speech Bioinformatics Embedded Linux for Net appliances e.g. smart cards, cell phones etc. Enterprise Application Integration (EAI) frameworks Geographical Information Systems Linux localization for Indian languages Network related e.g. protocols, security etc System software and tools Time Management Web Application i look forward to comments on these projects from the group. Regards, Venky

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Mumbai Marathon and Linux
by Venkatesh Hariharan 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Dear Gluggers, FYI, Red Hat is the Technology Provider for the Standard Chartered Mumbai Marathon. This means that all infrastructure in terms of PCs, printers, laptop, internet etc will run on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. This infrastructure will be used by media journalists, volunteers, the commentator for the event etc. Venky

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qmail logs
by Keith Fernandez 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hi, I have been searching on google groups so I am sorry if this is a stupid question. I am getting the following line in my log files. ------- 2004-12-11 19:01:57.728221500 delivery 335556: success: did_1+0+0/ ------- What does did_1+0+0 mean, I see this sometime, and other times I see did_1+1+0 or did_1+2+0.. etc.. Can any of the qmail gurus tell me what this means.. >From the net it said that "It's a count of the deliveries that qmail-local did. First one is the file deliveries, next is the forwards, and last is the program deliveries." Does file deliveries - mean just plain old text messages forward deliveries - means forwarded mail??? program deliveries - mean mail with attachments.. Regards, Keith

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FC3 DVD copied to HDD-want to write CD's from it
by Ninad 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hi I am a linux user since 2001 and have tried some mini distributions and Slack since 7.1. Currently using Slack 9.1 I had been reading posts on linux forums and found that FC3 and Gentoo were getting more and more popular.Finally I was taken in by the posts about FC3 and decided to try it. I got the FC3 DVD from the linux4u mag. I do not have a DVD. So i found a person in my workplace who had a laptop with CD/DVD drive. I copied all the files in the FC3 DVD to my HDD. Now I want to burn CD's from these files copied to HD. In which order are the files to be burnt Or is there an alternate way. Also when I had tried FC2 test2 The installer had some info abt disk geometry has this been solved in FC3. What is the general opinion about FC3 Thanks and Regards Ninad

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Seminar on perl and Mono on 18th Jan at Novell.
by Amish Munshi 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hello All, There is a session on Perl and Mono, details are as follows. Topics : 1. Introduction to Perl. (Level - Beginning) This session will serve as an introductory session on programming with Perl. Basic understanding of programming is expected. This session will help you getting started with Perl. For information about Perl visit http://www.perl.org 2. GUI programming with Mono (.NET on Linux). - (Level - Intermediate) Focus of this session is to create a GUI application that will work on Linux. Basic understanding of C# and Linux is expected. For information on Mono visit http://developer.novell.com/ndk/mono.htm Venue : Onward Novell Software (I) Pvt. Ltd. 62, 13th Street, MIDC, Andheri (East) Mumbai, 400093 India +91-09820931263 Duration : 5:30 - 7:30 PM Date : Jan 18, 2005 Registration : Limited seats are available, please register at the following URL at the earliest. Seminars are free of charge. http://www.novell.com/offices/asiapac/india/linux/registration.html Please circulate this mail to anyone who might be interested. Amish. Amish K. Munshi Consultant Onward Novell Software ( I ) Pvt. Ltd. Ph + 91 22 2834 2244 Fx + 91 22 2831 1277 amunshi(a)novell.com Novell Inc., the leading provider of Net business solutions. Onward Novell Software (I) Ltd. is the Joint Venture Company between Onward Group and Novell Inc. www.novell.com

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RHCA
by Keith Fernandez 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hi there, Is there anyone studying for the RHCA exam. Let me know off-list.. So that we can combine resources. Regards, Keith

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Query about logs
by chirag radhakrishnan 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Dear All, I wanted to know if there is anyway I can check the reason for server reboot. We have this server which got rebooted under unusual circumstances. No one claims to have rebooted the system, in the boot.msg I see no errors (probably should have come if there was a hard reboot in form of fsck et al). Is there anyway I can crack this one? Are there any steps that I can take to ensure that next time atleast I can find the actual reason? Regards, Chirag ================================================== Network Engineer, Asian Paints, ================================================== --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.

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Try openwebmail
by BIJU KRISHNAN 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

How many of u have tried openwebmail....? Its probably the best web based email cient..! www.openwebmail.org RPMS are also available..! As for Suse OpenExchange server....the screenshots looked good...! Can it integrate with ADS..? Amish please mail the URL for the demo as i did not see any link..! bye rgds biju --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

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[Commercial] PHP Free lance programmers required
by OSPOnline 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Greetings All, We immediate require a PHP free lance programmer for a 45 days assignment. Only those with experience may apply. Those interested may mail their profiles off the list to jobs(a)ospians.com or resume(a)pearlconsultants.com. Regards, Aishwarya

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PAP auth. failed message
by manoj.ovhal＠waveletgroup.com 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

anandraj soni wrote .. > When trying to connect to internet using Reliance phone (LG -340E), I get Download rconnect1.0.tar Unzip it. run on commandline sh install.sh And It will connect to net. If you have problems for authorising then use Username as internet Password as password give the auth info in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets And this will connect to internet. If you connect to internet but not able to browse then add following to /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 202.138.103.100 nameserver 202.138.97.193 If you have problem to detect your phone then modify /rconnect1.0/usbwizard And give appropriate port settings. then run sh install.sh This is the practical experience I encountered with LSP 340 & LG LSI 110. Manoj Ovhal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] PAP auth. failed message
by manoj.ovhal＠waveletgroup.com 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

anandraj soni wrote .. > When trying to connect to internet using Reliance phone (LG -340E), I get Download rconnect1.0.tar Unzip it. run on commandline sh install.sh And It will connect to net. If you have problems for authorising then use Username as internet Password as password give the info in /etc/ppp/pap

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knoppix remastering
by Kunal Bharati 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

hello gluggers, i have remastered a knoppix cd but i m having problems in changing default desktop theme how can i do that?? kunal -- "Free as in Freedom"

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Mail server
by Vdk khar 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Hi I installed qmail on RHEL. Which is the good web interface compatible with this? ===== Thanks & Regards Vishwas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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PAP auth. failed message
by anandraj soni 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

When trying to connect to internet using Reliance phone (LG -340E), I get the following error message. Jan 11 00:11:01 localhost pppd[5210]: pppd 2.4.2 started by root, uid 0 Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: send (AT^M) Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: expect (OK) Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: ^M Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: OK Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: -- got it Jan 11 00:11:02 localhost chat[5211]: send (ATD#777^M) Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: expect (CONNECT) Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: ^M Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: ^M Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: CONNECT Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: -- got it Jan 11 00:11:03 localhost chat[5211]: send (\d) Jan 11 00:11:04 localhost pppd[5210]: Serial connection established. Jan 11 00:11:04 localhost pppd[5210]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 11 00:11:04 localhost pppd[5210]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 Jan 11 00:11:08 localhost pppd[5210]: PAP authentication failed Jan 11 00:11:14 localhost pppd[5210]: Connection terminated. Jan 11 00:11:15 localhost pppd[5210]: Exit. How do I avert it? I am using FC2. Anandraj Soni.

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out-house project on linux kernel
by A C E 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Hi, I am looking for a out-house project for my Fourth Year in Computer Engineering from Ramrao Adik Institue of Technology, Nerul. My project topic priorities are - 1. OS security (not network security) 2. Embedded Systems 3. Device Driver Development (all the above topics based on the Linux Kernel) I found companies doing kernel work but most (rather all) are based in Bangalore and Hyderabad. Since i stay in Navi Mumbai and we get just 1 day in our 7th sem and 2 days in our 8th sem for the project, i would prefer a company in Mumbai. I couldnt find any "Yellow Pages" for Linux Kernel related companies in Mumbai. Could someone point me to companies doing this work. Also if anyone is engaged with such a company in Mumbai I would like to talk to him/her with regards to my project. I have knowledge of Kernel Internals, Device Driver Development, Kernel Debugging. -- Another Computer Engineer ( ACE )

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Failover Ethernet Connections
by Mangesh V Rakhunde 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Hi Directly coming to the point. Suppose I have 3 ethernet connections from 3 diff. ISPs. How can I make failover from one to another. Like suppose first fails second shud come up if second fails the 3rd shud takeover and restore 1st connection when it comes up. Regards Mangesh

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[ot] capture data from modem help
by SeekingGyan 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

hi i m trying to record voice from an external dlink 56k modem by dialing into the line. well i m able to record voice it and store it in an rmd ( raw modem data format ) file and then converting it to wav format. the problem comes when i want to stop recording by pressing one of the numeric or # / * keys. if i look for anyof the keys it stops recording immediately. is there a way to identify dtmf codes which is a part of audio stream Harsh

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Server Deployment Help
by Joel A Divekar 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Hi All We are working on a small application in php / perl, postgresql, apache and plan to deploy the same online. And so to start with we plan to setup our own server and so we need some guidance. Q) Which distro to use as we need following feature (i) Secure (ii) Stable (iii) Speed (iv) Scalable (iii) Easy to manage / configure (iv) Latest package port easily available. We are comfortable with Redhat 9 and still playing around with debian (sarge) and still quite new to OpenBSD. We are ready to takeup any distro headon if it meet our need. Please no flames, if it is going to be mucky please mail me directly. Regards Joel 9821421965

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Minutes: January GLUG-Meet @ Netcore
by Anurag 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

*Minutes of January GLUG-Meet @ Netcore Solutions* The GNU/Linux Users Group of Mumbai held its January GLUG meet on 9th January 2005 at Netcore Solutions, Lower Parel. This meet was attended by about 30 people coming from all over the city. Philip, Kiran paid a surprise visit at the meet. This meet also saw us giving a farewell to Karunakar. Following talks and discussions were held. * Open Source Architecture - by Satish Mohan. Satish Mohan from RedHat talked about the OpenSource architecture and the development work being carried out by RedHat in various areas. He talked about the GFS filesystem and redhat's RHN service which enables centralized management. --- tea break :-) * Farewell to Karunakar G. This meet also saw us giving a farewell to the stalwart of Indic Computing and Indian language localization, Indlinux.org project. Karunakar has played a tremendous role in resolving the technical issues around Indian language computing and his expertise has been sought by FLOSS localization groups in Nepal, Bhutan and other countries. Venky, Nagarjuna, Neerav shared their experiences with Karunakar and managed Karunakar to speak a few words. We will sorely miss him and wish him the best for his future plans. ---- *Details of next GLUG meet* Date: 13 February 2005 -> Agenda : to be decided -> Location: to be decided Presentation slides of this meet and pictures would be posted on the homepage. * Upcoming Events: There's a full day workshop on GNU/Linux at LT college of engg next week. Interested people can check this list for more details. - Anurag -- ----------------------------------------------- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Failover Ethernet Connections
by Mangesh V Rakhunde 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

All 3 IPs are public and seperate. Only one will be operational at any given point of time On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 Adil Kodian wrote : >-----Original Message----- > From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >[mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Mangesh V >Rakhunde >Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:13 AM >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Failover Ethernet Connections > > >Hi > > Directly coming to the point. Suppose >I have 3 ethernet connections from 3 diff. >ISPs. How can I make failover from one to another. >Like suppose first fails second shud come up if >second fails the 3rd shud takeover and restore >1st connection when it comes up. > > > > >More correctly - you need to first decide- do you need incoming access or >outgoing access ? > >And, do you have a fixed IP ? > >for incoming access - you need a fixed IP and need to involve all the 3 ISPs >by asking them to update their routing table to include a route to your IP/ >IP subnet. If they hardwire the rules, then youve also got loadsharing on >your incoming pipe. > >lookup BGP on linux for configuring outgoing access - it isnt trivial, but >is hasslefree once youre setup. >

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[OT] Public talk on the Nuclear Weapons issue at Open Space
by Venkatesh Hariharan 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Surpreet, this is truly off-topic for those who have subscribed to this the ILUG-BOM list PLUS it is in Pune! As it is the traffic on this mail is high. Therefore I request you to avoid such mails so that we can keep the signal-to-noise ratio at tolerable levels. Venky >Open Space, Lok Vigyan Sanghatana, PRAYAS, SOPPECOM and CEE > Invite you to a talk cum discussion on Nuclear Energy and Nuclear Weapons Issues for an informed public debate

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[ILUG-BOM] [OT] Public talk on the Nuclear Weapons issue at Open Space
by Supreet Sethi 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Open Space, Lok Vigyan Sanghatana, PRAYAS, SOPPECOM and CEE Invite you to a talk cum discussion on Nuclear Energy and Nuclear Weapons Issues for an informed public debate The talk will primarily address issues such as the questionable nature of the hypothesis of nuclear deterrence and the possibilities of accidental nuclear war, the issues that bear upon nuclear energy policy are the economics of nuclear power, the safety of nuclear reactors, and the impacts on public health and the environment from the nuclear fuel cycle. by Dr. M. V. Ramana Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies on Environment and Development (CISED) Bangalore at Open Space 5th Floor, Venu Madhav, Lane opp Income Tax Office 14th Lane, Prabhat Road, Pune 411004 Ph: 25457371 date and time 12 January (Wednesday), 2005; at 6.00 p.m. (The programme is expected to be over by 8 p.m.) Dr. M. V. Ramana Dr. Ramana, a physicist by training, is currently a Fellow at the Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies in Environment and Development (CISED), Bangalore. He obtained his M.Sc. in Physics from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur, and his Ph.D. from Boston University, U.S.A. He has held research positions at the University of Toronto, Canada, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Princeton University, U.S.A. He has taught at Boston, Princeton and Yale Universities. His broad research interests are in the area of energy and environment. He specializes in studying the Indian nuclear energy and weapons programmes. Currently he is examining the economic viability and environmental impacts of the Indian nuclear power programme. He is actively involved in the peace and anti-nuclear movements, and is associated with the Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament and Peace as well as Abolition-2000, a global network to abolish nuclear weapons. With C. Rammanohar Reddy, he is co-editor of the book, “Prisoners of the Nuclear Dream”, published by Orient Longman in 2003. He writes regularly on this issue both in academic journals and popular press.

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Thunderbird Printing
by Rony Bill 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

The print quality in thunderbird improved by making some changes in its font settings. 1. In Preferences, in the Display option, instead of default 'Fixed Width Font', the 'Variable Width Font' was selected. This gave a better shape to the font look. 2. In Preferences, in the Fonts option, the 'Proportional' and 'Monospace' fonts text boxes were given the option 'Sans Serif'. This also improved the look of the messages in the window too. The message printouts are quite decent now. Regards, Rony.

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Invitation
by Rajesh Bhide 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

Rajesh Bhide has invited you to join hi5. By joining hi5, you will be connected to Rajesh and all of Rajesh's friends. hi5 is the place where friends meet. You can use hi5 for the following purposes: * Find old friends * Meet new people * Browse photos Join Rajesh, meet Rajesh's friends, and meet people that share your interests now! Click here: http://www.hi5.com/splash/YX3AL?inviteId=LPO17D00F16988221l143178537 This invitation was sent to linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in on behalf of Rajesh Bhide (rajeshsbhide2111(a)yahoo.co.in). If you do not wish to receive invitations from hi5 members, click on the link below: http://www.hi5.com/friend/displayBlockInvite.do?inviteId=143178537

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lan connection problem
by Kenneth Gonsalves 08 Jan '05

08 Jan '05

hi i had a redhat 7.1 server connected over bnc cable to a windoze machine. No problems. I changed the server to mandrake10 and the cable to utp - just a crossover cable. the nic cards on the two machines have been tested and they work. When the cable is connected, both lan cards show a steady green light. But ping doesnt ping. They guy who made the cable says that if the green lights are steady on both sides it means the wiring is correct. Is he right? -- regards kg tally ho! http://avsap.sourceforge.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Jan '05

08 Jan '05

On Friday 07 January 2005 19:35, Vickram Crishna wrote: I did the excercise of contacting and providing a background on FOSS and piracy to many cybercafes in a brief spell of prophetic zeal to save the "oh so poor souls". The superciliousness about harming somones rights should be seen to be believed. The cafe wallas care a shit about piracy, although fully clued in about the repercussions. So unlike most i do the groundwork before faffing. And it is not about billy baba, it is also about Corel, Adobe, Umpteen games, antivirus, firewalls. I found almost the same stuff in every cybercafe. Most of the owners were not poor, they owned multiple cafes. In any case if u happen to own a cybercafe you are proly in the top 20% of the wealth bracket in our country. Most surprisingly the very few really small owners were at least receptive to an alternative and quite apologetic about piracy. Unfortunately they do not form a sustainable market. > >But in brief > >1) we are talking and mixing multiple un related bussinesses and > > issues Training for end users and sys admins / service guys / > > installers Linux windows integration (u require highily skilled > > personnel) > > I don't think this point entered the discussion - it was merely > about giving end consumers (not the cybercafes but their customers) Eh. Where does the cybercafe walla come in then. Enduser seminars have been an on going prorgramme in the lug. > >Social change > >Law > > How can we live around FOSS without comprehending the extent of > social change this fosters? Seems to me that many here are still > confused about this. I see no harm in raising issues and awareness > now and then. No harm at all. but dont mix it with an excuse for illegal and unethical bussiness. > > >2) The individuals involved in piracy dont care. Their interests > > lie merely in making a fast buck. > > Cybercafe rates are not dependent - No they arent. But they sure have a keen sense of bussiness when it comes to screwing other peoples rights. Who cares if their bussiness sinks like a stone. They will be replaced with FOSS savvy entrepreneurs. > > >3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm > > it has to be acceptable. > > In one sense, this is actually true - even law school will tell you > that the pirate is defined by the lawmaker - when roles change, so > do definitions. But once again, let us not get sidetracked. The > discussion is about building a business case for FOSS services to > cybercafes, and using the LUG meeting to explore this. Here we go in contra mode > "it was merely about giving end consumers (not the cybercafes but > their customers)" Are we talking of a bussiness model using FOSS for the cafe walla? Or is it the end user. > > >4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are > > not to blame for their woes. > > How many PCO operators know beans about telephony? Or how many car > owners about automotive engineering? The PCO service guy knows a lot about the pco and the billing machine and the uneducated car mechanic too knows a lot more about cars than the average B.E mech. Dont confuse enduser with service provider. > Just as these two technologies > have become ubiquitous, so can we help make general purpose > computers running FOSS become ubiquitous. FOSS is already ready. Save for a legal thingy or two to do with illegal trade practices and monopolies. > main loser (at least in India) > is billy boy (unless cafes have illegal copies ;-) of Tally), AFAIR three cafes did.And come to think of it there was Delphi in one, VC++, CD ripping tools. It is possible tho unlikely that a user installed the stuff. > other popular software application needed on > Windows comes free, and is probably designed that way precisely > because the vendor or developer wants it to be that way. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041228040645419 Should remove any doubts. > Maybe it needs > a small-scale business to do this. Why close our minds to the > possibilities before they are even discussed? > But why are there so many list cribbers who seem to think that new > avenues of making money should not even be discussed before > dismissing the concept right away? How about some lurkers throwing > in their two bits? Not without a commitment to the foundation of foss - Respect for other peoples rights no matter how stiffling. By accepting gross licence violations u are doing a grave injustice ] to GNU/Linux. There have been court cases by foss developers (Netfilter) against bussineses violating the GPL. Linksys - CISCO were forced to publish their modifications when the FSF threatened legal action. They too had wishy washy arguments for violating others rights. And BTW the list cribbers are the ones who have spent their time and money repeatedly in holding seminars and training sessions (Dr. Nagarjuna, Philip, Dinesh, Parag, Trevor, me rarely :-( and several others). So go ahead and oraganise one for cybercafe's AFTER their assoc has done their miniscule favour to themselves. I will most certainly be there to help at the seminar in any way u suggest. BTW there is a distro specifically for cybercafes. Google and find. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] cluster management tools
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Jan '05

08 Jan '05

> Does anyone know debian based or redhat based cluster management > tools. I know about rocks(3.3.3) RxC roll. But It requires a > product key and all. http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=cluster&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 yielded 5 pages.And the distro is not relevant. A recomppile will do the job. Since u are talking of clusters which is not a regular newbie task i am sure u will know how. If you need tools search at http://freshmeat.net/ or http://sourceforge.net/search/ and of course finally google. Post the results of your research if u want something meaningful. It took me all of one minute to find the above five pages. Since cluster managment (or any other app for that matter) depends on the nature of the problem u are trying to solve u are likely to get stupid or rant responses like this one to a stupid question. And this was preeceded by a loooong argument about laziness and ineptitude on the list if u bother to read. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Saswata Banerjee 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

> >Exactly. The cyber cafe seems to me a waste of time as a commercial propostion unless someone is willing to work at slave labour rates. >Or add the cyber cafe revenue as opportunity bonus to an existing linux service catering to more up market clients by using the cybercafe as a training ground. The advocacy for cafewalas thingy by the lugs does not gel. It will be better addressed by (????????????????) > one apprach that may work is to tackle sify and reliance. If anyone has contacts there we can cnvince them. They have a software cost which bites and economics works in linux favour. They will say there is not enough support tallent in the market and we can say, ok, this is the list of independent support people by location and this is they rate you need to pay.......... If we can get lugs in smaller cities to provide such lists, even better. Say what ? Saswata > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Vickram Crishna 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

>On Wednesday 05 January 2005 18:56, Ashish Saboo wrote: >> Terrence, >> I for one certainly look forward for a " Real Education " & >> this is the reason I am on this mailing list. Here I am > >My earlier mail has been rejected due to size and i dont have a copy. > >But in brief >1) we are talking and mixing multiple un related bussinesses and issues >Training for end users and sys admins / service guys / installers >Linux windows integration (u require highily skilled personnel) I don't think this point entered the discussion - it was merely about giving end consumers (not the cybercafes but their customers) familiar applications - and I think there is good reason to believe that end consumers have little idea that 'IE' and 'Email' are two different things. >Social change >Law How can we live around FOSS without comprehending the extent of social change this fosters? Seems to me that many here are still confused about this. I see no harm in raising issues and awareness now and then. >2) The individuals involved in piracy dont care. Their interests lie >merely in making a fast buck. Cybercafe rates are not dependent - almost completely inelastic, I would venture to say - on software pricing. Telecom pricing and cybercafe rates are far more closely linked. The issue of piracy is only related (by me, in the original post, so please let us not get seriously sidetracked into general discussions of piracy) to an attempt to reduce the hafta percentage in the total cost of ownership. Nothing else. >3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm it >has to be acceptable. In one sense, this is actually true - even law school will tell you that the pirate is defined by the lawmaker - when roles change, so do definitions. But once again, let us not get sidetracked. The discussion is about building a business case for FOSS services to cybercafes, and using the LUG meeting to explore this. >4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are not >to blame for their woes. How many PCO operators know beans about telephony? Or how many car owners about automotive engineering? Just as these two technologies have become ubiquitous, so can we help make general purpose computers running FOSS become ubiquitous. Or not, if we choose to think the job is either unproductive or unremunerative. See below, the point about SLA's and wishlists. >Cyber cafe assoc describe your setup >Get your members to accept that they will not use illegal software >Tell us what is the SLA u want and the price u are willing to pay. Wow! At last someone is repeating exactly what was asked in the original post: a meeting between interested parties (cafewalas and FOSSwalas) to thrash out exactly these points. Once a definition is posited, the issue of remunerative efforts and productive use of time becomes relevant and a range of charges can be agreed upon. > >Rony Bill, Crishna et all >Tell us your SLA and your charges >Tell the cybercafe boys what hardware he should buy or better still >what hardware u will sell him. >What backend services and systems you will provide. Some confusion here: I don't think either of us (at least not me) is in any business connected with supply or service of hardware. Why don't you google and find out for yourself before you start making a lot of assumptions? >All the hot air about social issues, poverty, personal gain metrics, >difficulty of using linux et all will evaporate and put things in >the right perespective Which is - the cybercafe guy is happy making >his >living at somone elses expense and our list cribbers are happy >pretending that they dont need skills. Let's not get more holier-than-thou than anyone needs to be. When the cybercafe owner is a pirate, the main loser (at least in India) is billy boy (unless cafes have illegal copies ;-) of Tally), but I doubt anyone on this list is going to weep copiously about that. Practically every other popular software application needed on Windows comes free, and is probably designed that way precisely because the vendor or developer wants it to be that way. All the cybercafe owner needs is a viable alternative (cost effective and workable) to M$ piracy for the present, I suspect. But this can only be determined at the meeting, not by the kind of occasional and casual guesswork that outsiders (ie, non-cafe operators on this list, including me) can perform. Is the list expected to grow (and exponentially, let's not fool ourselves about which technology we are enthused by, and the way it is growing) or is it intended to be confined to a cosy little closed group of narcissists? There will always be newbies, and there will always be people who only need to know the basics to get their work done, there will be people who know a lot and that is their work, and hopefully there will be lots of people who not only know a lot, but are willing to take that extra step to work and help others - at what cost, only an informed discussion can determine. I sincerely hope there will be people here on this list who are enthused by this chance. My suggestion that we look at a coalition of interests (hardware - which is to say assemblers - suppliers, maintenance specialists, network specialists, integrators, buyers and finally end-consumers) that can exchange views on services, service levels and structures around which such services can be effectively marketed. For instance (maybe it doesn't need a meeting to determine this, but somehow we humans do love being heard), maybe we can consider a formal or informal FOSS collective or guild, with rules or guidelines governing rates, SLAs and distro designs. Maybe it needs a small-scale business to do this. Why close our minds to the possibilities before they are even discussed? But why are there so many list cribbers who seem to think that new avenues of making money should not even be discussed before dismissing the concept right away? How about some lurkers throwing in their two bits? -- Vickram

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New Tux Requies Help
by Amit Bagadia 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Hi Fellow Penguins. This is Amit Bagadia. Am a final yr student from PVPP Coll of Engg. purusing Infomation Technology. I recently got inducted into the linuxers group. and no offense but most of the articles have been going way over my head. i'd like to know where do i begin? what should i go for? i duno What is BASH or Shell Scripting? I Dunno which distribution is good? whether fedora core or suse or mandrake or unbunto or the most recent one Xandros(hyped to throw windows replace in near future) the scenario here is like water water everywhere but not a drop to drink. there are hundreds of tuts available for Linux. but its truly confusing. i'd be grateful to find a good way to get around all this. plus i, being my college IEEE Secretary, am interested in organising a Linux Seminar or may be two. 1. To introduce my fellow students like me to Linux 2. To Tell them in Deep About Linux, esply About shell scripting. i'd wanna know if any of you would be interested in coming forward to conduct it. people interested can inform me. Awaiting your earliest reply Thanks. Regards. Amit Bagadia.

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cluster management tools
by Vihang 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

On Wednesday 05 January 2005 18:56, Ashish Saboo wrote: > Terrence, > I for one certainly look forward for a " Real Education " & > this is the reason I am on this mailing list. Here I am My earlier mail has been rejected due to size and i dont have a copy. But in brief 1) we are talking and mixing multiple un related bussinesses and issues Training for end users and sys admins / service guys / installers Linux windows integration (u require highily skilled personnel) Social change Law 2) The individuals involved in piracy dont care. Their interests lie merely in making a fast buck. 3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm it has to be acceptable. 4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are not to blame for their woes. The moment u want windows / linux integration u are escalating costs by orders of magnitude and reducing performance by an equal magnitude. However if you accept GNu/Linux machine with far greater functionality and stability as opposed to one with pirate stuff then things are completely viable. So Cyber cafe assoc describe your setup Get your members to accept that they will not use illegal software Tell us what is the SLA u want and the price u are willing to pay. Rony Bill, Crishna et all Tell us your SLA and your charges Tell the cybercafe boys what hardware he should buy or better still what hardware u will sell him. What backend services and systems you will provide. All the hot air about social issues, poverty, personal gain metrics, difficulty of using linux et all will evaporate and put things in the right perespective Which is - the cybercafe guy is happy making his living at somone elses expense and our list cribbers are happy pretending that they dont need skills. rgds jtd

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stop unix vs linux { now its time to hack linux}
by vijay mishra 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I had got a person who just hacked linux server in Florida and i will be reaching to that level soooooooooo............ u people unstd .. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

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[Commercial] Opening for PERL Programmers
by OSPOnline 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Greetings All, We have an immediate opening in an MNC for a Project Intern. The candidate must know PERL programming. Those interested may mail their profiles off the list to resume(a)pearlconsultants.com. Regards, Aishwarya

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MTNL Broadband
by Rony Bill 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Dear Friends, MTNL has given some good information of how its ADSL internet access works. Download this pdf file. http://web1.mtnl.net.in/internetservices/adsl/adsl_pr.pdf Regards, Rony.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

On Friday 07 January 2005 01:14, Rony Bill wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 10:57, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > Involved in what way? It is the customer who ultimately takes the > decision if he wants to pay or get grey stuff. 'Free' software is > not charged for, so no one is making money on it. I make lotsa money giving away away free software :-)) > > > 3) Many in this posts seem to think that since piracy is the norm > > it has to be acceptable. > > No that is not true. What is however true is that piracy has kept > software prices low and more affordable. Oh God -- i am tired of repeating everything. > If there was a software > sourcing monopoly, it would kill the customers. Without > 'competition', the customer is at the mercy of the software > company. Could not agree more. So happy pirating (how does that change the monopoly situation tho is tooo complicated for my stupid brain). > > > 4) Many in this post think that people with poor tech skills are > > not to blame for their woes. > > Thats not true either. Every skill is important and yet different > in its own way. Everyone is playing their role in promoting the > computer industry. Of course they are. But with a little more effort they would do much better using GNU/Linux. AND they are no more at the mercy of some crooked company. Infact there is a whole new market emerging for servers and maintaining them in small and medium enterprise. In short opportunities caused by free availability of a total computing environment - development tools, applications, manuals, Source code, hardware designs, massive totally cooperative technically very competent user community for everything u could possible imagine. All u need to add is a bussiness plan and your resources. If you had to pay for the above to get even a small bussiness started your investment would be anywhere between Rs.10 to 40 lacs. AND guess what after spending all that moolah Billy boy and gang would be taking away the lions share of the money u collect. It tickles me no end to see the "idiots" in our industry spending their hard earned cash to enrich a crooked corporation who will use the same to fleece them again and again. What is SLA? Service Level agreement. It defines your responsibilites in terms of time to respond and solve a problem and liability if u fail to do so. A mutually agreed measurement of quality of service for which u are being paid. > > I have some suggestions for a practical solution to this vexed > issue. > > 1.The software experts in linux on this forum could have a meeting > with the Lamington Road dealers or the Association itself and get > atleast a few of them to tie up for selling linux compatible > hardware. U dont need a software expert for that. AFAIK all hardware from the local shop works well under linux. List some hardware that u have problems with. > The other> luggers including I, can give their requirements for > drivers they need for commonly used hardware and peripherials. Ok name the hardware. I am sure the drivers will already be there. The devices for which drivers are not available is because the manufacturer refuses to provide hardware details. A mojor reason to avoid such companies in the first place. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] OT-Linux Runners
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

On Thursday 06 January 2005 14:07, vaghul wrote: > Hi folks, > I guess everybody must be aware of the mumbai Marathon,going to be > held on 16th Jan 2005. > Hey guys, why cant there be a group Linux runners,all clad in Linux > themes. Good publicity for both Linux and our Bombay group. > As venky rightly said "What makes Linux so popular is the community > around it"............and its us !!! It's a good suggestion if u are very fit and have VERY GOOD quality shoes and a correct running style. Running on tar roads only a few kilometers is very likely to screw your knees and lower back longterm without the last two. Also the entry form date is long over. Can't u have a virtual run with everbody pressing the right arrow key and their mug shots lurching forward ;-). Or a live stream from the race course. BTW one of my friends from the dojo is running the full marathon. Inspite of being very fit last yr he was out of action for three days after the half marathon. rgds jtd

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does ubuntu have apt-get?
by rohit bhute 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I finally got enough money to get a new OS. So far I've tried only RPM based distros. I have heard only good things about Ubuntu - single CD though based on Debian. What I want to know is after installing Ubuntu, using the much talked about apt-get (provided I'm connected to the net), can I get specific Debian software packages (say related to engineering and such stuff) onto my OS ? And what about updates - how soon will Ubuntu be deprecated vis-a-vis Debian ? -- Take back the Web - Get Firefox Rohit V. Bhute Mumbai http://rvbhute.blogspot.com/

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new year resolution
by Kenneth Gonsalves 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

hi, my new year resolution: whatever it takes, avsap must knock tally off its pedestal positives: translation is no problem - enough guys around to do it tally has opted for mysql and shot themselves in the foot avsap has tamil, telugu, gujarati and hindi - tally doesnt negatives: indians dont like to work for free conclusion: as long as there are guys to translate, i'll do the rest btw like tally, avsap is hiring: no pay, only qualifications is a willingness to work invoicing and inventory control modules should be up in a week happy new year all kg

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Device drivers
by Raseel Bhagat 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 Kiran Divekar wrote : >FYI, >check this out. > >http://www.geocities.com/kirandivekar/downloads/ldd.pdf > Hey Kiran, Really awesome work. Especially for all the mewbiesa re going to hail you. I wish I had found this document before I found Rubini and Corbet. I wouldn't have damned their opor souls for making Linux sound so much like greek, then. So for all the newbies asking to join this project , please go through this article as thorughly as you can. But actually, what my freinds here, and me too, want is someone to guide us while we actually write a linux device driver from scratch. Lets say for example, a keyboard dd or a new filesystem or something like that. See, it doesn't matter what device it is, serial or block or network... the point is we want to try writing a driver from absolute scratch and would like some of you experienced people to mentor over us. Rubini and Corbet and lot of other authors (incuding you) have given us the basic knowledge required and maybe even a complex PSEUDO-device driver. Also, one may argue, there are drivers with source in the linux source and also freely available on the net. However, unless we end-up writing a full fledged dd from scratch, I think the education remains incomplete. I hope you are getting I'm driving at. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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