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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Qt Licence and GTK.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

On Saturday 04 December 2004 09:42, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 23:32, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Friday 03 December 2004 08:40, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 06:28, risqer wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Is Qt free now, I mean"free as in speech" ? > > > > > > Dual licenced - GPL/QPL (QT Public licence, akin to the GPL) > > > for GPL'd apps, and commercial seat based licencing for > > > commercial > > > > wrong terminology. U presume that GPL'd software are not > > commercial.GPLd applications can be very commercial. The right > > terminology would be "non GPL'd". > > > > This isn't the first time that an incorrect / misleading > > statement about GPL / commercial software has appeared on the > > list. Please take care not to mislead. > > > > > apps. Check their website for details. > > > > > >From one of their PRs > > > > "As before, any user who wishes to create proprietary or closed > > source software must first purchase a development license from > > Trolltech." > > JT, > > Please look before you leap (or comment in this case). Please read > the I have not only RTFL but written to Trolltech about the utterly misleading statement on commercial / GPL software. They replied with a wishy washy thing about trying to look into the matter (apparently they are still trying more than a year later). But the PR is very clear. > > The Qt Open Source Editions may be freely copied and distributed, > put on FTP sites and CD-ROMs, etc., under the same open-source > licenses that they are supplied with. This is completely different > from the Qt Commercial Editions which cannot be distributed at all. > > </snip> > > They state that the code content of the GPL/QPL edition is > identical to the *Commercial Edition*, but however clearly > differentiate the commercial edition by labelling it as such. That > is what I meant when I made the original post. While I have no > desire to get into a flame war over this, I wish you wouldn't use > terms like "misleading" and "incorrect" without RTFM. I stand by both statements. IMNHO Trolltech's attempt to explain the difference between GPL'd / Commercial software is misleading and incorrect and your mail does not clarify this, which is akin to "agreement". The fact is that GPL'd software can be very commercial and can be distributed for any consideration deemed fit except changing the terms of the GPL. (just hoped into flame proof shelter ;-). rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Salary Survey
by Devdas Bhagat 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

On 04/12/04 19:49 +0000, Saswata Banerjee wrote: > List Admin, > > this thread is more important to the community than many of the other > discussions that are taking place. All discussions should remain in the > group and not offline. I would normally expect such surveys to be summarised by the OP. Devdas Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Salary Survey
by Saswata Banerjee 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

List Admin, this thread is more important to the community than many of the other discussions that are taking place. All discussions should remain in the group and not offline. Don't forget that linux has as much commercial aspect as proprietory software has. Regard saswata Linuxers Admin <linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> wrote: __________ >Before this thread gets out of hand, please consider if your reply is >relevant to the community as a whole from a FOSS pov. The original >poster did ask for replies to be sent directly to him, please do that >instead of mailing the list on this thread. > >-- >List Admin > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Qt Licence and GTK.
by risqer 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

Hi, Is Qt free now, I mean"free as in speech" ? And is GTK better than Qt ? Thanks for help. -- Regards, Saurabh Sawant. (risqer).

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Salary Survey
by Raseel Bhagat 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

i agree with Biju. The deal is that programmers working on Windows Platform,with a year's experience gets 20Ktake home plus perks and benefits. If the Linuxenthusiasts gets lessdough then his Windows counterpart, no matter what you say about sharin' and open source, or whatever, its gonna serve as a detterent to him and thus to the FLOSS,etc. movements also. I say this because I have gone through this stage, and though now I am a wiser, a couple of years ago,I was ready to put Linux as nothing but just a hobby cuz "out there" no one seemed to pay you enough for it. On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 BIJU KRISHNAN wrote : >The Salary shd be no less than 12k take home if the guys exceptionally talented, no need for much exp. > >A good C on GNU-Linux\Unix programmer with one year exp shd get no less than 20,000 take home. > >Tests and interviews shd be kept rigourous but salary shd not be a compromise for the right talent. > >The above statements are my personal opinion. > >bye rgds > >bijuCyborg > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Raseel Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Salary Survey
by BIJU KRISHNAN 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

The Salary shd be no less than 12k take home if the guys exceptionally talented, no need for much exp. A good C on GNU-Linux\Unix programmer with one year exp shd get no less than 20,000 take home. Tests and interviews shd be kept rigourous but salary shd not be a compromise for the right talent. The above statements are my personal opinion. bye rgds bijuCyborg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[Commercial] Perl & C++ Consulting
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

Hi My collegues at Pragati Software (who are in Corporate Training, Including Linux) have received an urgent request from one of their clients for help is solving a specific problem involving interworking between Perl and C / C++. The work is estimated at between 1-2 days presence at client office. We Quote below specific portion of the mail from the client. "I am specifically looking for help on interworking between Perl and C/C++. I want to be able to call Perl modules/subroutines and pass parameters from C/C++ programs and from those subroutines/modules I need to call the C/C++ class/function and pass parameters. My basic objective is to make an C/C++ application externally scriptable. Perl provides an excellent method for that (XS, SWIG, perlguts, perlembed, perlapi, etc.). However, if you have any other suggestions, I am open to them as well." The person should be able to solve their problem and train the programers on how to do it in future. If anyone on the group is capable of undertaking this assignment, please immediately call : Mrs. Preeti Sharma, Director, Pragati Software Pvt. Ltd. Mob: 98202 93357 email: preeti.sharma(a)pragatisoftware.com Regards saswata

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Chat on linux
by Iqbal Dehlvi 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

Dear All, Like the mailing list can we have some sort of chat IRC channel. may be it will be useful or may be it will not. seniors can think abt this. Regards ID

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Qt Licence and GTK.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

On Friday 03 December 2004 08:40, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 06:28, risqer wrote: > > Hi, > > Is Qt free now, I mean"free as in speech" ? > > Dual licenced - GPL/QPL (QT Public licence, akin to the GPL) for > GPL'd apps, and commercial seat based licencing for commercial wrong terminology. U presume that GPL'd software are not commercial.GPLd applications can be very commercial. The right terminology would be "non GPL'd". This isn't the first time that an incorrect / misleading statement about GPL / commercial software has appeared on the list. Please take care not to mislead. > apps. Check their website for details. >From one of their PRs "As before, any user who wishes to create proprietary or closed source software must first purchase a development license from Trolltech." rgds jtd

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[OT] Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with ILUG Acronym.
by Amish Mehta 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

Philip Tellis wrote: >> Sometime on Dec 3, Anurag assembled some asciibets to say: >> I'd suggest IGFLOSSUG-BOM :-) >> That way we will represent Indian GNU, Free, LIbre, OpenSource >> Software users group of Bombay !!! > That's insufficient, because you ignore the not insignificant BSD > community, so please add BSD to the list. There's also the quite large > perl, python and php communities, all of which deserve mention. And even 'Linux' itself. Amish.

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Aah Finally !!!
by Rony Bill 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Dear Luggers, I finally got the printer to print a document in Open Office. The problem of pages getting ejected without printing was due to a postscript setting in the printer properties in the OO Printer Setup (./spadmin). The correct command line on OO setup for printing was lpr -P lx300 which I found out from the good site, http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/printing/linux_print.html However the page still kept getting ejected. This problem was traced to the setting for postscript in the spadmin where the 'from driver' was changed to '1'. This finally printed the page on my lx 300. To cross check I tried 'from driver' and '2' but they ejected the page. Only postscript 1 is accepted by my printer. The print quality is terrible but this is because it is a postscript printout which is a very basic printout. OO does not support lx300 in its drivers database so only a 'generic printer' can be selected. Generic printer driver supports only postscript. Maybe the new versions of OO 1.1.3 and the preview 2.0 may have better features. Is there any way by which OO can be forced to use a system's default driver, without postscript? Regards, Rony.

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Debian on PCQuest
by Chirag Wazir 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi all, This is just to announce that PC Quest this month has 1 DVD + 1 CD on the cover. The DVD is Debian Sarge. I haven't tried it out myself yet, but plan to do so as soon as I can make time. I dunno how they have organized it, but at first glance it seems to be a standard debian CD distro with the rest of the DVD filled with packages to install - 4.3Gb of them :-) The CD has some useful stuff for Windows - OpenOffice, Firefox, Java SDK, Eclipse etc. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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[ILUG-BOM] Looking for Perl and C++ Consultancy Please Send Me the Profile
by Preeti Sharma 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Dear Sir, Sorry - I should have been more explicit in my requirements. I am specifically looking for help on interworking between Perl and C/C++. I want to be able to call Perl modules/subroutines and pass parameters from C/C++ programs and from those subroutines/modules I need to call the C/C++ class/function and pass parameters. My basic objective is to make an C/C++ application externally scriptable. Perl provides an excellent method for that (XS, SWIG, perlguts, perlembed, perlapi, etc.). However, if you have any other suggestions, I am open to them as well. Could you please revise the training program accordingly? Thanks and regards, Sagar Thakur Pragati Software Pvt. Ltd. 312, Lok Center Marol Maroshi Road, Andheri East Mumbai 400 059 Ph: 2850 1583/2850 4130/2850 6329 Mob: 98202 93357 preeti.sharma(a)pragatisoftware.com Web: www.pragatisoftware.com

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how to install from hdd
by rohit bhute 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

I want to install FC from the harddisk. 1. For that, do I have have to copy the CDs as iso files to the harddisk or do I create a RPMS folder and stuff like that ? If iso files are required, what s/w is there to create iso from a CD ? I know only nero which gives nrg files. 2. Also will Fat32 partition suffice for this job or do I have to create a Ext2 partition ? 3. Later on, if I have to add/remove any packages, will the OS look for them in the 'old place' to speak of. I have to do it this way because my CDROM is error-prone. I prefer a corrupted file to an aborted installation. -- Take back the Web - Get Firefox Rohit V. Bhute Mumbai

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Motorola A760 configuration as modem
by Vdk khar 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi, I have Motorola A760 mobile phone .. I want to use it as GSM Modem for mobile programming. How to configure it on Linux or Sun Solaris. Thanks... Thanks & Regards Vishwas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

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drivers for Intel® 82541EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
by sel 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi all, Needed driver for Intel� 82541EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller for RedHat 9.0 (kernel 2.4.20-8) Searched hell lot of sites,need help! asap Thanx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Printer
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

On Friday 03 December 2004 01:47, Rony Bill wrote: > Dear Luggers, > > My printer queue name is 'LX300' and device is a local printer > /dev/lp0. What command should I add in the command line for the > open office printer setup? I tried lpr, lp -d LX300, lpr -d LX300 > but nothing seems to work. In debian using cups and kprinter / xpp, replace the above with kprinter or xpp. This will run kprinter / xpp. I have tested it with hp710c, hp720c, hp4mp, hp3550 and epson lq1020. xpp is faster and provides much greater flexibility.U will have to install xprt-xprintorg and xpp if not already installed. Use debian - apt is fabulous and there is no commercial skullduggery to worry about. To be honest though I am cluless about redhat or any other distro for that matter. rgds jtd

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Gujarati Translieration input Support in OpenOffice
by Sachin A Chavan 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Dear all, I have added Gujarati Transliteration input support to keyboard driver. By using this keyboard driver now you can type Gujarati by transliteration in any application on KDE and GNOME. Some of these applications are OpenOffice Koffice Kbabel Konqueror(web browser) Kate Kwrite (All these properly tested on SuSe 9.1 and RH90) These are the few names. It will work on all applications. Executables you can use and distribute to any no. of people. If anybody want can e-mail me at sacindia1(a)rediffmail.com I am making it freely available to all. Thank you -Sachin

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An Interesting Site
by Rony Bill 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Here is an interesting site for Linux Questions on various topics http://www.linuxquestions.org/ Regards, Rony.

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Internet Problems
by Rony Bill 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hello Luggers, The internet access after the modem installation is quite queer. If I setup the internet conection wizard, it creates a network device ppp0 in the list, below the eth0 device. However even after dialing to my isp, it does not show the device ppp0 as active. I have 3 different ISPs so I configured them in kppp. Everything is fine and the connections take place, but when I want to go to any site it only keeps going upto 'resolving host' and does not find the site. If I use the network device control and click on activate for the ppp0, it dials and gives me access to the net but still is shown as 'inactive'. As a result of this I cannot close my connection. I have used RedHat 8 in my other comp earlier with multiple isps and kppp but this behaviour in RHEL is strange. I installed firefox in RHEL and it works fine, giving the addition of a tabbed interface. Regards, Rony.

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[ILUG-BOM] [oot][commercial]enterprise system monitoring expertise needed
by Trevor Warren 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Morning guys, TCS urgently needs canidates with the following expertise: >> Extensive Gnu-Linux expertise on the admin >> Scripting capability on bash and perl >> AIX/HP-UX expertise will be an added bonus >> Exposure to Nagios using distributed approach ESSENTIAL >> Theoretical Knowledge of Tivoli Esential >> Practical Knowledge of Tivoli will be and added bonus >> Theoretical Knowledge of Hp OpenView will be an added bonus >> Practical Knowledge of Tivoli will be and added bonus >> The canidate will have to have sound gnu-linux /unix skills and will be trained on Tivoli. This position is for a Tivoli deployment consultant and administrator. Pls forward emails to trevorwarren(a)gmail.com if you find the position challenging. Trevor ===== |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Solaris 10
by selvin 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi all, Recently I heard a lot 'bout Sun getting into Open Sourse with their Solaris 10, after attending their seminar on Solaris 10,I think its worth giving a shot at.. so anyone in Mumbai who has downloaded the Solaris 10( I'm too lazy for downloading it myself ;-), and who is kind enough to share it kindly let me know I'll make a copy of it. thanx in advance, Regards, Selvin "The Future is Open, the Future is Bright" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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A Positive Attitude
by Rony Bill 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Dear Luggers, Its 2.40 am and I finally got my modem working in RHEL. The problem was that I had piled up many drivers one over another. I did a fresh install of the OS and then installation and setup was as smooth as butter. I also observe that though the site says that the free driver version is limited to 14kbps, I am able to connect at 56Kbps. I am sending this mail from evolution in RHEL and this is my very fisrt mail to you all and thanks to all of you, especially the admin for this lovely forum. Best Wishes, Rony.

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vsnl's new smtp auth settings
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi, This is about vsnl's new smtp authentication settings. As usual, they have only given instructions for outlook, outlook express and eudora and netscape. The chap on the helpdesk phone had no clue whatsoever as to what to do with linux or even what sort of authentication they were using. Of course, the 22nd November deadline is way past and I can still get my emails thru the vsnl smtp server without any changes in my config. If this mail gets thru, that should be proof enough. I am using FC2 w/ postfix (and fetchmail w/ mutt). So how do I go about ascertaining what changes I need to make in my config ? thanks, Sharukh -- Dr. Sharukh K R Pavri. Homoeopath, Linuxer. I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy." - Steve Martin

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] vsnl's new smtp auth settings
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

On Saturday 27 November 2004 09:53, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > Hi, > > This is about vsnl's new smtp authentication settings. As usual, > they have only given instructions for outlook, outlook express and > eudora and netscape. The chap on the helpdesk phone had no clue > whatsoever as to what to do with linux or even what sort of > authentication they were using. The authentication is plain text. And u can use smtp only thru a vsnl dialup or leasedline connection or thru dishnet. The goal is to prevent spammers using vsnl as a relay. That legit vsnl users get spammed to death (90% in my case) is incomprehensible to the zombies who sit on the heldesk. Or that u may want to access your mailbox from from other locations. Or why users have to endure ads and flash animations for a paid service.

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[ILUG-BOM] [commerical] Urgently required PHP developers with 1+ years of experience.
by Brijesh Mishra 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

We require PHP developers for full time job, having 1+ years of work experience. Salary as per industry norms. Best Regards, Brijesh Mishra. brijeshm(a)unitek.com

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Net Security
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

On Monday 29 November 2004 18:58, Rony Bill wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vivek J.Patankar" <vivekpatankar(a)spymac.com> > > That's not quite correct. The two most popular AV solutions, Norton > & McAfee, both check files as soon as they are accessed. IF the virus is in the database the AV program will find it. Usually u get infected by some uknown mutant of existing virii. And often by a new one. The average time to infection is 4 minutes on a dialup. The average time to download a patch on a dialup is several times longer - a rather idiotic situation. And this does not include the great OS killer win XP - SP2. > > > Migrating a customer to linux is not so easy even if the driver > issues are resolved, as all his old data has to be converted to the > linux format which his new non-microsoft programs in linux should > read and edit just as before. OO does that quite well. And issues if any are very minor. Just be clear that when you change to linux u have to learn to do things differently - a small price to pay for freedom, reliability, stability, security etc. If ur customer prefers to stew in the microsoft pot well happy boiling. And guess what it's u the support guy who will get the flack not Billybhai. He will be preaching homilies about security, piracy, innovation etc., at some lackey seminar. > Many use Tally or QFA or similar > custom accounting software and this data will go waste in linux > without the program being able to run. Outlook Express has one > unique feature where you can have multiple accounts with their own > individual smtp settings. If there is a suspicious mail you can > right click on the header and view its entire source code without > opening it. I have downloaded and tried out different email clients > but OE was most feature rich. Yeah features like executing random vb scripts - man wake up. Regarding printers, peripherals etc. Check if the stuff u plan to buy works under Gnu/Linux before u pay. rgds jtd

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Ringtone on Linux
by komal 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Is there any ringtone composer available for Sony Ericession or Nokia on Linux ? Thank you Komal

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RHEL CDs
by gnurpreet＠softhome.net 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

hi guys, can someone burn me a copy of the latest RH enterprise Linux CDs?? I'l get them pickd up from wherever u are in mumbai. Thanks Gurpreet

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option for LS
by lawrence_d＠sifycorp.com 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi ! Could some one help me out with the option needed for ls -l so that the FULL username and groupname fields is outputted. The default column width for the username and groupname is 8, so i dont get to see the FULL names. Thanks , Cheers, Lawrence.

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PCQ Linux and CHM file
by komal 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hello Those of you who have used PCQ Linux 2004 would know that PCQ Linux can open CHM file automatically i.e. PCQ Linux installed some rpm to view CHM file. Unfortunately, I do not remember which rpm I stalled. Can anybody tell me which rpm I should install? Thank you Komal

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sco site hacked
by SeekingGyan 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The site reads: "Recently we found parts of our code in almost all Microsoft(R) software. We want to bring an action against Microsoft(R) and our legal department is working on that. Parts of code found in in all Microsoft(R) products from MS-DOS(TM) 2.1 to Microsoft(R) Windows(TM) Longhorn. Currently we are checking older MS-DOS sources. It's obvious, that all while (1){ do_something; } and for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) loops came from our code." Clearly a hack it's highly embarassing for SCO who have been subject to lots of hack attempts and DDoS attacks on their servers in recent months. http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=25934&category=main

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RAID
by Rony Bill 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Here is a very simple but informative link about the concept of RAID. http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~yairamir/cs418/os8/sld031.htm Regards, Rony.

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[ILUG-BOM] [commerical] Urgently required PHP developers with 1+ years of experience.
by Brijesh Mishra 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

BlankWe require PHP developers for full time job, having 1+ years of work experience. Salary negotiable. Best Regards, Brijesh Mishra. brijeshm(a)unitek.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Net Security
by Vivek J.Patankar 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

On Sun Nov 28 7:35 , 'Rony Bill' <ronbilly(a)hotpop.com> sent: >An antivirus detects viruses after they enter the system and get resident. >Many of my clients are home users so the comp is used by the kids too and >they have their own choices and uses which are difficult to implement in >linux. They are used to the standard programs. That's not quite correct. The two most popular AV solutions, Norton & McAfee, both check files as soon as they are accessed. A file being downloaded from the network is scanned before being saved onto the disk. Executables are also scanned before they are run. I'll give you an example.... some years ago, I installed WinMe & NAV2002 on a friends PC. I updated the AV using the live update feature of NAV. Several days later during an online chat with him over ICQ, as a prank I sent him Sub7 trojan client, under the garb of it being a game. The download completed and the file then promply disappeared. It ended up in the quarantine folder of NAV instead of the specified folder. Vivek

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Invitation to participate in online discussion forum "Free and Open Source Software: Policy and Development Implications"
by Atanu Garai 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

{Apologies for cross-posting} Dear Mumbai Linux User Group, We welcome you to participate in the online discussion forum "Free and Open Source Software: Policy and Development Implications" (FOSS-PDI) at http://lists.apdip.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-pdi FOSS-PDI is a joint initiative of Bridges.org, (Cape Town, South Africa); Free and Open Source Software Foundation for Africa (FOSSFA), (Nairobi, Kenya); OneWorld South Asia (OWSA), (New Delhi, India); UNDP-APDIP International Open Source Network (IOSN), (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia); UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (APDIP/UNDP), (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia). The multi-stakeholder partners of this e-discussion firmly believe that FOSS is in line with the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs): because it increases access to, ownership of, and control of knowledge and information through the collaborative development of newer technologies and communication opportunities. FOSS also provides an innovative Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) framework that can be applied in all areas of development theory and practice - advocacy for Free Medicine (e.g. generic HIV/AIDS drugs), Free Seeds (e.g. seed banks), Free Books (e.g. Open Access Movement), Freedom of Information Movement et. al. Therefore the issues being considered central to this debate are: * Opportunities and drawbacks of FOSS for developing countries – the roles of government, civil society, business in the process * FOSS and Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) – stretching the development dollar for scaling-up impact * The global Intellectual Property Concern - Business monopoly of first world nations software giants VS third world collaborative efforts. * Enabling legal/regulatory/policy framework for country specific strategic evolution of FOSS. * Open-source processes outside the software sector – Free Medicine, Seed Bank, Open Access, Open Archiving etc. * Comparison of proprietary software vis-à-vis FOSS in terms of technical merits –reliability, stability, and vulnerabilities, especially in the context of national security. * FOSS versus Public Domain Software and Freeware – the Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) of FOSS. * Motivations for contributing to FOSS projects - What motivates FOSS developers to "donate" their time? In the context of developing countries, can these motivators be encouraged by government, civil society and private sector interventions? We expect the deliberations of this on-ine discussion will contribute toward evolution of enabling policy framework on building/using FOSS for developmental interventions. To post to this list, send your email to: foss-pdi(a)lists.apdip.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://lists.apdip.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-pdi We are looking forward to your active participation. Thank you. Warm regards, Moderators Sunil Abraham, UNDP/APDIP/IOSN Philipp Schmidt, Bridges,org Bildad Kagai, FOSSFA Naimur Rahman, OWSA Amandeep Singh Grewal, OWSA Atanu Garai, OWSA

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Re: csh scripting Doubt
by Kiran Agashe 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hello Manish, Thanks a lot for your response. Unfortunately my query was incomplete. I did not want way to append o/p of `pwd` to variable. What I wanted was a way to expand relative path to absolute path by removing unwanted prefixes such as "." or ".." and any other partial paths. csh by itself expands "~" but not "." and ".." So if I store: set ABC = ./my/relative/path set DEF = `pwd`${ABC} I get string such as: /home/kiran/./my/relative/path in DEF This is a valid path-string, But I wanted to get away with the "." OR in following example set ABC = ../kiran/my/relative/path set DEF = `pwd`${ABC} I will get /home/kiran/../kiran/my/relative/path in DEF which again is a valid-path string. But what I want is, /home/kiran/my/relative/path in DEF One way is: 1. Store current dir in a variable 2. cd to relative path 3. Do pwd and get result 4. Go back to original variable But I hope ther must be a smarter way to do this. Sorry for the incomplte query posted earlier. Thanking you, Best regards, - Kiran >Kiran Agashe wrote: > Or is there any alternative way this can be done in a > csh script? i.e. I have a relative path stored in a > variable, and I want to extract absolute path from >it. >Manish Wrote: >Try: >ABC=/my/relative/path >DEF=`pwd`${ABC} __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Suse 9.2 on Dell PC & Utility Partition Qs
by Shahed Moolji 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hi All, I just installed Suse 9.2 on a Dell 4600, with WinXP pre-installed. I used all the default / suggested disk partition settings. My Dell seems to have a "Utility Partition", which was detected by the installer and Grub gives me an option to boot into it. However, I am not able to boot into it I can boot into WinXP though without any problem. If I press F12 when I reboot the PC, there is an option to go into the utility partition, but this just brings up grub. I have not really understood the problem fully, so I dont know what to search for to look for answers :-( Does anyone have ay idea what may have gone on during the install process ? Thanks Shahed

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Net Security
by Rony Bill 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Dear Luggers, Cable internet is a reality that one cannot ignore but it also has its problems of security. Viruses and trojans keep getting in frequently and its quite a nuiscance having to get rid of them often on the same machine. A firewall is not very usefull here as it is in dialup. To access the net, the gateway traffic has to be allowed, so that brings in the unwanted elements too. Being a LAN based system, there is unauthorised traffic from other infected machines too. The clients are all on windows as linux is still not very popular. However, the principles of security should be similar. So what is the way to keep the client machine clean even if the gateway is not so? Regards, Rony.

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New Poll for topic
by lists＠munshi.biz 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Greetings, Anurag has created following poll on my request Which of the following topics will interest you the most for GLUG meet?: 1. How mono works? 2. Philosophy behind mono/.NET and their legal and social issues? 3. How to setup mono with apache for ASP.NET? 4. Database access with mono 5. Creating GUI apps with mono. 6. Develop on Visual Studio.NET and deploy on Apache/Mono Please visit http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/forum/ and vote before 5th December Where is the meeting? Thanks and regards. Amish.

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[ILUG-BOM] any speech to speech softwares for devnagri in open source
by ashwani mahajan 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

hi , i would like to know about any speech to text software in open source. like DRAGON NATURALLY SPEAKING for english Micky __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Open Office
by komal 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Is there any option like Text to Column in Open Office Calc which is available in MS Excel. Thank you Komal

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csh scripting Doubt
by Kiran Agashe 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Hi linuxers, I have a doubt in related to unix directory paths. Is there any unix command to convert a relative path into absolute path? Or is there any alternative way this can be done in a csh script? i.e. I have a relative path stored in a variable, and I want to extract absolute path from it. Thanks, Regards, - Kiran __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

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Samba and BDC
by komal 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Hello How to configure Samba 3.0.9 as a BDC server ? Thank you Komal

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NCST term
by Nikhil Joshi 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Hi! Can anyone give a link to ncst-term or perhaps mail it to me ? I have searched all over but it seems it is part of some distro or other. I would really like Unicode support in Pine. Thanks, Nikhil -- Miss Wormwood : Calvin where was the Byzantine empire? Calvin : I'll take "outer planets" for $100.

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Differences between Bolnagari and My Keyboard driver
by Sachin A Chavan 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Dear all, Sometimes back Dr. Nagarjun was asking about difference between Bolnagari and My keyboard driver. Please Note These are the differences : ============== Bol-nagari ============== Bolnagari is keyboard layout created by Indlinux team. it supports only phonetic XKb keyboard layout by using compose key feature supported by Operating system. They are just adding the kmaps to the system rest is done by operating system. =================== My keyboard driver =================== 1. This is program written in C using Xlib library. 2. It can supports ITRANS, INSCRIPT, PHONETIC, TYPEWRITER and any Custom Keyboard layout. 3. Not only for Indian languages but also European and Chinese ,Korean, Japanese language Input. 4. It supports all kinds of right to left scripts which are in Unicode range. 5. I have full control over the keyboard. Currently it supports Only Unicode devanagari itrans input. Works perfect on OpenOffice and Koffice. Similarity : It works at system level similar to Bolnagari but have some problems which can be eliminated. Future releases will include : 1. On fly selection of keyboard layout. 2. Display of possible key combinations for keypress. It is not available for Download. those who need it can send me mail at sacindia1(a)rediffmail.com -Sachin Chavan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] vsnl's new smtp auth settings
by Chirag Wazir 27 Nov '04

27 Nov '04

Hi, > This is about vsnl's new smtp authentication settings. ..... > ..... what to do with linux or even what sort of > authentication they were using. ..... > So how do I go about ascertaining what changes I need to make in my > config ? You only need to make changes in the SMTP settings in your mail client. 1) Set the outgoing SMTP server as smtp.vsnl.net 2) Switch on outgoing server authentication 3) If the client doesn't automatically use the POP login & password for SMTP also, you need to manually put these in. 3a) Make sure you put in the FULL email address as the username, not just the login. I had hell until I figured this out - and the helpdesk didn't know about this. 3b) If you need to set authentication type in your client use "LOGIN" not "PLAIN" or "CRAM-MD5". What these are called depend on your client. Just try sending a test mail to yourself with each possible authentication type till it works :-) Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Installer fails to read HD geometry
by komal 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hello There is a serious problem with FC3 Installer fails to read HD geometry. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138419 Anybody has solution? Regards Komal

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firewall for Ronny
by Onkar Nawathe 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Rony wrote : The linmodem site has various drivers but the full version is available for a price, not free. The free version is limited to 14kbps. Suppose one were to choose a new internal modem available in lamington road,then what make of linmodem would be best suited for a wide variety,especially on P4 systems and latest linux distros of RedHat, SuSe, Mandrake etc. There are websites for compatible hardware, but If anyone has actually purchased one from Lam. Road and is satisfied with the drivers available and the ease of installation, then the details for the same would be most appreciated. At present I am switching between XP (for internet) and Linux too. Xandros does not have a firewall so its very scary to go online. There are too many entry attempts being detected by my firewall. Regards, Rony. hi rony, as far as linmodems are concerned i have no idea... ....but as far as ur concern abt no firewall in linux is concerned, try installing "clamav" (its a firewall for linux). I downloaded it using apt-get in KNOPPIX...i'm not sure if it works with other OSes. regards, Onkar. Onkar P. Nawathe

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Fedor Core 3 problem
by komal 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hello I am trying to install fedora core 3 on my system. But every time after booting and showing language selection menu it shows me bug like assertions(sector<=3) and assertions(head>=0) and installation abort abnormally Please help me what is wrong Thank you Regards, Komal

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