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Linux India Initiatives
by Philip S Tellis 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

I have been asked to forward these two files to the list, but as they are too big, I have put them on my website and am sending the links: http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Annexure.ps http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Letter+for+Linux+Meeting.ps Philip -- The purpose of Physics 7A is to make the engineers realize that they're not perfect, and to make the rest of the people realize that they're not engineers.

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please help
by prasant kumar sahu 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

some one change my (susi linux 7.1) root password so i could not enter into root please tell me how can i enter. it will display file sytem error give root password for repair . the repair command is fsck /dev/fd9 but how can i enter it will not display (root prompt #)after give root passwprd if will fix the bug and it will display file system repaired then next time i can enter into root.so plese tell me. prasant

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C and emacs
by Rahul Saxena 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

hi there, Can i look at values of constants or expressions, probably from an another file, say a header or somthing, using emacs. I guess it would involve going going through all the #defines or constructs in the header files ? I dont know how to program emacs and was wondering if somone show me a macro or somthing. :-p thanks and regards -rahul -- drug, n: A substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper.

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Re:CASE Tools needed
by pshah＠adaptivesoftware.biz 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Check out ArgoUML at www.tigris.org Its a good UML tool written in Java. regards Parag

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(no subject)
by c raja kumar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

hallo sir i copied one file from system to floppy.in the same system itself i opened the floppy. the file is in floppy.but when i put the floppy in another system and while opening the floppy the file is not there.it gives the following message. "it has read only option" please anybody answer

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URGENT REQUREMENT : Linux Pro
by akshaysalkar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

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Faster Startup of apps
by Amish Munshi 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Hi, About one year back in a Mandrake mailing-list one of the developer pointed out that they could not keep programs in memory as windows does with IE, so apps take longer to startup on unices. I was willing to keep some of the apps in memory and let them occupy my memory in favour of faster startups of those apps. I have not idea how to do this. Any clues on how this can be accomplished? Presently I am using Mandrake 9.0 on AMD K6-2 500Mhz, 160MB RAM. I would like a generic solution that can be applied on any distribution or unix rather than a Mandrake specific solution. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Re: Urgent: Mail not being delivered: Problem (almost) solved
by Bhargav Bhatt 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

consultant(a)columbia.edu wrote: > What is the list you are referring to? Have there been any bounced > messages that we can see? > > Joyce Fetterman The mailing list is ilug-bom (linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in - Indian Linux Users Group - Bombay). After this problem occured, I opened up another subscription to the list using this very email account but a different alias i.e bhargav.bhatt(a)columbia.edu instead of bbb2004(a)columbia.edu. Then it seemed to be work fine. However, the first problem(no mail from the list to bbb2004(a)columbia.edu) still remained. So then i just cancelled the subscritption from bbb2004(a)columbia.edu and it still worked So no problems anymore, Yippe! :) Thanks a lot for getting back, though. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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SQL
by slash_axl_rose_upen 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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CASE Tools needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hi, Can someone tell me about some CASE tools available under GPL for Linux that provide end to end support for the SDLC. Something on the lines of Rational . . . Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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Need a Linux Implementor
by vikas kashikar 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

I need help from a Linux implementor on a full-time to assist/contribute more in Linux implementation projects. Knowledge of C and PHP will be ideal VIkas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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(no subject)
by prasad 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

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Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Dinesh Shah 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

Hi All, Here are the Photos of LUG Meet. (Pictures by Navin Dhanuka. Thx Navin :-)) http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ Will put minutes ASAP. Need input for 1st hour of the meet. (Reached there @ 5:00pm instead of 4:00pm :-( ) Enjoy... With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com Mobile: (+91) 98213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 56919423 Tel: (+91-22) 26747120

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[Announce] libyahoo2 0.6.2
by Philip S Tellis 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

libyahoo2 0.6.2 has been released http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 is a C library implementation of a Yahoo! Messenger client. Changes include: * Fixes to work with big endian systems * Multiple offline messages are now received correctly * Memory leaks cleaned up * Check for glib-2 as well as glib-1 * Added a pkgconfig file and spec file for RPM, and make libyahoo2 versioned * libyahoo2 now automatically scans ports 21, 23, 25 and 80 if it cannot connect on the default port. * no longer strip colour/style codes from messages * added colour entry for any colour to yahoo2_types.h Get it at http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 comes with a sample client that you can use as a template to build your own client. Questions? Post them on the libyahoo2-users mailing list Bugs? Report them on the website. -- No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you.

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A humble suggestion for robust system
by Rajagopal Iyer 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

greetings and ! I am an IT professional for last 18 years having varied experience in h/w, applications, network on various platforms. I am currently overseeing the IT operations of a leading construction company in Mumbai. After following linux in general and open source software in particular, I believe one question would have crossed people's mind at least once: Can there ever, single image deployable distribution, be made? In other words, can a single distribution fit all? In the process of following up various development in the OSS and after a study of REAL and PRACTICAL computing requirements, I found out that there is very little integrated approach to the open source computing architecture. I have tried my best to define one purely from Indian context. I hereby submit it for review of the linux user group. I hope you all find it meaningful, practical and easy. I welcome all questions, comments and criticisms. Many of the technologies are alrady available. I am ready to work with others to make it a reality. Rajagopal S. Iyer ---------- begin Architecture definition ----------------- yajur aNOTHER jOINT uNDERTAKING rESULT - veda eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE Proposed Computing Environment By Rajagopal S. Iyer, Thane, Mumbai. Phone: (9122) 547 3884 (Sr. Co-ordinator, Facilities, ISD, Lok Group) e-mail : rajsand(a)hindunet.com Copyright (C) 16th February 2002, Rajagopal S. Iyer. All rights Reserved by the author. Organisations and People who run it don't require computers: They require their familiar, private, powerful, secure computing environment anywhere, anytime. This architecture keeps the human in the centre of the design. Care has been taken to ensure that Most of the ideas mentioned here can be implemented with off the shelf technology with realtime acceptable performance for the user. A Vertically integrated machine with this architecture is not in existance but can be built by doing modifying various underlying technologies. vEDA eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE (veda) is proposed for very high availability and location freedom and absolute privacy. The proposed architecture A Unified Machine (AUM) architechture is proposed Overall architecture: The layered architecture is described below: The selection is based on ready availability of necessary hardware & Software. Many of the proposed channels are already functional and available under GNU GPL or other open source licence. Storage Pyramid: (all serving as network data reservoir) Registers (0) Cache (1) RAM (2) - Storage for programs RAM (3) - as a Cache for devices below HDD (4) Optical R/W & R/O disks(5) Magnetic tape (7) CPU/Kernel Pyramid (Only two states: Running and housekeeping) It is 128-bit word architecture out of which 120 bits for data and 8 bits for ECC. Error Checking and correction algorithm is based on a simple binary tree representation and a small recursive function which terminates when two immediate neighbours are found. Running implies that the CPU continuously switches between four states preemptively in real-time Run Level 0: (Kernel) (Ring 0) IPC Media : registers Line frequency synchroniser Premptive Task Switcher Memory Manager Device Drivers Heartbeat Generator/ Responder Network communicator local/remote real time calender (cosmological) Run Level 1: (Two Tasks only) IPC Media : Cache Memory Each task will listen and process from exactly one input channels and give output to exactly two channels. those two channels could be any. Virtual Machine 0 & 1 (Takes one input and gives two outputs - Local & network) Input Threads: (two only) Check & Listen to Local Input Device (core dump errors) Check & Listen to Network Input Devices (core dump errors) Process Threads (heartbeat core dumps to local storage) Take data from Input device (core,log dump after Checking) Prepare transfer of data (Presentation & core,log dump) Output Data to output devices (after Checking Tee to n/w and local storage) Output threads Check & Talk to Local Output Devices (core dump errors) Check & Talk to Network Output Devices (core dump errors) Run level 2 (Two Tasks Only - Graphics processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical tasks (high bandwidth requirement) Input = Images / Sound Process = Image/High bandwidth signals Output task = Display Update Run Level 3 (Two tasks only - Structured Text / Voice processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical Process (Voice processing, Structured Text processing) Input = Sound Device Processing = Uses ITRANS/ other algorithms Output = Sound Device Run level 4 (User Interface) Typical Applications: User authentication Configuration Selection IPC Media : HDD Input = Composite Processing = Transaction Output = Composite Run level 5 (long term processing - User Applications) IPC Media : Replicated file system Input : Messages from user in composite media Process : Composite processing using all lower run level facilities) Output : Messages to User in composite media Primitive Data types : Numbers: only whole numbers (unsigned 128 bit integer) 64613997892457936451903530140000000 = 2^119 1329227995784915872903807060280000000 = 2^120 (Max) no floating point representations no negative numbers representation in bare machine Zero represented by all zero bits Only closed infinity representation (all 1s) (affine or closure?) Text: Plain Ascii Graphic: For the simplicity sake of this architecture outline, A ring of primary colour Red Green Blue and White as four points are assumed. The ratio is somewhat similar to Television standards colour ratio for white and then twisting it a bit to suit to our prime requirement of simplicity and practicality Only Two colour spaces, RGBW and CMYB, are considered. Red, Green, Blue & White for display devices Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black for Print Devices The reason for adding white int RGB is for white temperature of 6500K. As the largest primitive definition (square limits are assumed as computationally it is easier on my brain): Raster: Each Pixel has 120 bits allocated for it for each colour. bit allocation for RGBW system are: 12 for Red 75 for Green 13 for Blue 20 for White 8 bits for ECC. (To be used as Data in Device Space) Vector: 57 bits : 19 per dimension (x,y,z) start point (524228 mm In device space) 57 bits : 19 for relative co-ordinates (x,y,z) from start point (all zero here can be treated as a point) 6 bitsRGB colour for each starting & ending points. 8 bits for ECC Black or Non existance is all zero which is anyway not needed. All 1s will indicate a white line from begin to end point (ECC excluded). White or Black component not needed in pure colour space as the temperature, as percieved, could be essentially noise caused due to superimposition of the various waves from the invisible electromagnetic spectrum. For clarity sake the data for coordinates may be represented by Pure 7-bit ASCII at a higher level as each point at the most may require 22 bytes. (7x3) + 1 for colour (known light speed 300,000,000,000 mm/s) (To be used as Address in the device space) ( Comment on Practical Dimensions: 524 meters in X Y and Z dimensions > 1/2 KM media? -- Devices are still not available! ) Graphic Primitive Processing: Processing is by reading the co-ordinate and doing a binary recursion as specified above for either vectorising or rasterising depending on the device. Start at device Origin, Recurse along the X axis, at the end of device limit, switch axis to Y and then in Z axis, Return to Origin. Graphic Computational speed & predictability: As the binary recursion algorithm has the known termination condition under all circumstances, it can be safely said that rendering for worst case of two adjecent pixels P0(0,0,0 - R1G1B1) and P1(0,0,1 - R2G2B2), only the end points needs to be taken and the maximum iterations will be 6 * 13 = 78 iterations. In the proposed architecture it will take 78 clock cycles to render one graphic primitive primitive. Worst case will be one bit change in each of the succesive pixel. Proof of Efficiency of algorithms are to mathematically proved. O(n) to be obtained mathematically. {-- Proof? who? me? No, Sorry! I am mathematically challenged :-) } Network Layers (OSI based - Total 7) Physical (7 total): (Criteria: Speedwise and vicinity wise decreasing order) CPU-Internal-Registers (CPU/memory Bus(0)), CPU-RAM / Display path (1), CPU-System Bus (Sound card video capture) (2), Disk bus : SCSI, fibre channel (3) Ethernet (4), IR/Wireless (5), Serial Port (6) (allows use of local phone lines for PPP) Network: Ring 0 = Register Ring 1 = Cache Ring 2 = RAM Ring 3 = RAM Ring 4 = HDD Transport: Presention Translation???? Application Scheduling algorithm. There are three states to this machine: 0. Running 1. Preparatory 2. Wait 3. Review 4. Reorder Priority 5. Cycle complete The time slice ratio for these recommended are 20, 75, 12, 13 (total 120) clock cycles respectively 0. Running In this state the process is actually run 1. Preparatory In this state the necessary resource allocations for running the process is prepared 1. Read the Process Table 2. allocate necessary resources 3. signal to run the process 2. Wait State This is the stage the machine execute the heartbeat function which consists of 1. read any error status from the heartbeat messages of other nodes 2. prepare the status report 3. write error / log messages in the respective locations 3. Review In this state, the messages after running of the process and the necessary steps for transmitting the messages to the next process are taken 4. Reorder states In this stage, the states of the two processes are altered (If the state of the process 0 is 0123 then 1032 and of the process 1 is 1032 change to 0123) 5. Cycle Complete state In this state the Necessary logging of Machine state and heartbeat, Cycle No Detail Stamping is to be taken care of (Fill details here) 6. State Increment State This is the crucial state where the promotion of state is done. 7. respawn state process with incremented states will launch itself ??? (Fill in properly) In between these state is the idle state. The suggested scheduling is sequence (In the Real time) 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM0) | v 4 | v 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM1) | v 5 | v 6 | v 7 (This is binary recursion with the termination condition that both the neighbours of the tree are found.) Directed graph representation of states (Root) (0) / \ (1) (2) \ (3) If the inversion of 0 & 1 states are not done the machine will enter a be running uncontrollably with the binary recursion algorithm that is used for task scheduling. The head-inversion causes two breaks. The task is deemed completed only after machine enters the Idle State. In fact this data structure and processing can be replicated in the upper rings which will result in predictable performance. Performence factors are to be worked out mathematically. Implementation, & Availability Issues ------------------------------------------------- the two Ring-1 tasks are two identical clustered virtual machines using MOSIX or any other similar Kernel pathces. The clustering of one box with another is thru SCSI or System bus. (so there can be a single box high performance Cluster). Fibre channel/100mbps n/w media is the second option. Each machine is identical to each other in function. they communicate using Registers as network media. The proposed machine's will a Replicated, jounalled, file system. Where two disks are available, RAID Technology should be used. There is only one login and two directories for each person. The network is Purely a private network (IP address Space) with network path to Internet wherever necessary. It is envisaged that, by carefully planning each node's IP address and their neighbours, We will never run out of Private IP Address. The only data flowing in this network (if all participating machines are according to this architecture) will be 7-bit ASCII text The the most secure network protocol with PGP signature is suggested for base configuration. The User Authentication / configuration management is to be managed with LDAP. This include machine specific optimised utilities for highest degree of interoperability. All the network listen channel should act as an input device (stdin). All the network talk channels should act as an output device (stdout). All the network error channels should act as on error device (stderr). Hardware: The machine should be able to use the following as the network media: Register, Cache, System Bus, SCSI, NIC, Serial port, Parallel port, Sound (can be picked up thru System Bus), Optical & Wireless The machine should be able to draw energy out of following sources: Electrical, optical, Solar, chemical, Sound (if possible) The network and energy source path can be the same. Each of the machine will have a compute node, storage node and varied network paths as described above. Each node participating in this computer will have exactly one path for talk and listen. It should be able to Talk/listen through any of external network port to any other machine. All the network node will have fixed addresses for each network port. The base machine itself will have One IP address Networking protocols supported will be TCP/IP. Optionally IPX/SPX and NCP may be supported. Network Environment As the Machine is always in listen mode for message and talks only when required, the network bandwith requirements are based on three parameters associated with the message processing: 1. Path 2. Quanta 3. Frequency The aim is to select path in such a way that the product of quanta and frequency, (which gives the total message size) is transmitted through the network physical layer within user-acceptable time frame. The most common information formats are (in decreasing order of bandwidth requierement): 1. Video 2. Sound 3. Structured Text 4. Cosidering the common applications a correspondance table can made as follows: Network environment supports System environment GNU/Linux is suggested for is immense scalability and flexibility and most importantly configurability and its case sensitivess to file names as it is the heart of ITRANS encoding scheme for system filenames. All the networking code should be optimised into kernel. This machine will have at the primitive instrauction which will emulate the processing as described above. The base software which is suggested EMACS in its various incarnations as the self recursive nature of self-insert-command is what makes it the most extensible software. CVS at a lower level will ensure automatic journalling of all changes: textual and binary It is proposed that this machine will use ITRANS envelope for self-insert-command. This will ensure that the machine will be able to translate Voice into ITRANS encoding. As Sanskrit is a phonetic language, and ITRANS a viable and very practical representation of phonetics, A user will just have to record the basic letters of sanskrit that will be stored for voice reproduction. The messages can then be displayed and user's interpretation of the message is recorded and stored as a parameter "mother toungue" of the user. This too can be embedded in kernel with a little bit of effort. ITRANS processing should also be part of kernel. This will reduce the bandwidth requirement for data as only encoded text is required to produce speech. (ITRANS processing does not require backstepping). The phonetic ITRANS atom is max. 3 characters. The Cosmological time recording system should be the base time machine for all time processing. Already Open Source libraries are available for this. (Solar, Lunar, Planetery positions, Phase of moon, galaxy coordinates etc.) conversion routines for various current time systems should be there. The name space (LDAP or PostgreSQL Implementation) Transaction Engine A Unit transaction is defined as recording of the changes related to an entity caused by an internal or external event reliably. The transaction model is essentialy an event driven model. A single table - Event log - is to be maintained which captures all the external and internal events Event Master table will enumerate all the possible events at the given level of operation. Name Master will enumerate all the possible names that can be encountered in the system. Each name will have backward and forward pointers. Backward pointers for Source of Name, Forward pointers for transformed entities. It will also have an alias property referring to its alias in the same table. Data model for transactions It essentially consists of two self referential entities. This model yields itself to self learning feature of EMACS which is intended as the primary front end. In a parametrised form, the data model can be viewed as given below (In Hierarchical Model -- Inverted Tree) An entity can be oen of the three types: Human or System or Physical Corresponding Human Entities are: Person / Organisation Unit / Organisation System Entities are (all are goals -- Desire): Functional / Organisational Unit / Organisation Functional Entities are: Person / Organisational Role / Processes Physical entity can be Person or Hardware or Message An entity is located at: Physical or Document or Network A message can be Requirement / Status / Event Messages in the Physical forms verbal / Internal / External (Images/Document) Requirement will arise through expression and when recognised, will go through following four states in the order specified on each event type as shown below: (C) (M) (T) Desire ---> Want ---> Need ---> Necessity Status state diagram will be the following (C) (M) (T) Initialisation ---> Running ---> Result ---> Logging Event State Diagram will be: Creation ---> Modification ---> Transformation ---> Wait ^ | | | +-------------------------------------------------+ A matrix of the above could be formed to obtain master table and transaction tables. It should be an orthogonal matrix to arrive at precise relations. at the lowest level,each Name has three properties: 1. Space Value 2. Money Value 3. Time Value Event Model A message triggers one or more or a combination thereof of the three events: 1. Creation 2. Modification 3. Transformation (into another name) The events Themselves are to be logged seperately in the audit trial table or event log table. These events causes insertion into the Transaction table with a time/location stamp. Any modification of any entity will cause also cause Transaction insertion. Transformation causes the change of name and an entry in the transaction table. After transformation the original entity ceases to exist for further transactions. Reports: Any kind of Report can be generated using a universal cross tabular reporting function from a normalised table of transaction. EMACS can be tweaked to be a report writer after EMACS isearch is modified with suitable atoms. (minimal effort..Lazy way out) In fact all the data may be stored in pure text as EMACS is Extremely good at handling pure text. Development tools: A suitable Development tool to define the Data model can be suitably designed for easy access of Data +++++++++++++++++++++++ REVIEW THOROUGHLY the following +++++++++++++++ (insert, update and delete thoughts only here) All the entities will have the followiong common attributes 1. Name 2. Location 3. Location timestamp 4. Type (Person) 5. Value Timestamp 6. Value (in Number) 7. Creation timestamp 8. Last Access begin timestamp 9. Last Access end timestamp 10. Last Modify begin timestamp 11. Last Modify end timestamp 12. Transformed to (target entity) 13. Transformation timestamp In the above scheme every entity has three phases: 1. Comes into existance at a given location at a given point of time with a given value at that point of time. 2. Its Value, location and other attributes may get modified over time which are recorded in the database 3. It finally gets transformed into another Name (after this go to step 1) A message is recorded along with every event that happens. A database of the following are to be available always: 1. Name of the entity 2. Value of the entity 3. Space of the entity (Add remaining database details here) A transaction engine which emulates the kernel in processing transaction. Transaction Engine will track Name, Message, Space, Value, state simultaneously and time / location stamp them. Each Transaction has four States: Initiation, Running, Sustanance and Perpetuality Each Message/Value transfer has Four State: Dire Needs, Actual, Key (for what???), Maintenence (of What?-- specify). Every transaction has four states at which money/material exchange occurs: 1. Initation 2. Actual 3. Result 4. Maintenance (Put a good deal of explanation text in here) ( a good begining would be a template in c++ taking a token of any data type as the argument, allocate memory and return a pointer to the that token. well I can't think further .... :-) int CreateData(<RetType> a) { <RetType> (typeof(a) malloc(NULL, a, sizeof(a)) } ...... or whatever... hope u get the point rather thatn syntax ) +++++++++++++++++++++++ END REVIEW THOROUGHLY ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hard copy printing Environment. It is envisaged that Four primary drivers must be made available: 0. Pure Text 1. Epson 9 and 24 Pin emulation 2. HP PCL Emulation 3. Postcript Language support Environment It is necessay that a minimum of following character sets 0. Plain ASCII character Set (7-bit) 1. Unicode 2. Devnagari (San98 TTF or Xdvng with suitably modified glyphs for ITRANS encoding) With glyphs in 0. GUI Mode 1. Character mode in either Hardware / Software form is made availble User environment ---------------- Each user will have exactly one login and one root directory. The owner of the directory decides the physical location of data The system will have on-demand appearence of file on invocation of a command (either timed or user decided) It is recommended that the user have two top level storage domains: Work (Organisation controlled access) Personal or Pleasure (User Controlled access) Rest all can be Organised below these two domains with relevent symlinks Application visibility is based on the User profile in the authentication System. This authentication System can then be suitably integrated with certification authority for B2B and other Internet based secure application requirements. A private port can be leased. The Machine fingerprint is stored in the LDAP. Based on the fingerprint the most suitable image from any of the nearby machine will be loaded. Training Isssues Primary user training will be on Touch Typing (gtypist) and EMACS in character mode. Only incremental training will then be required (Except for exceptional cases pointer device may not be required for most of the usual user activities under this architecture as mouse is deemed as a time waster / disruptive technology. Hence GUI Training takes a backseat.) Application training will be specific depending upon user profile. The user can use Character or Graphical Interface depending upon the available hardware at that point of time and machine The typical applications the Base users will need are: Document Processor (LaTeX) Text Processor (EMACS) Spreadsheet (SC or any better as required) Internet Browser (W3) E-mail (rmail of Emacs/mutt/pine) Printing to any printer from above application All the above application will be in character mode For slightly advanced users: All of the above in GUI and Character Mode. Bitmap Image Processor Vector Image Processor Presentation package Sound Recorder / Editor / Listner Video Recorder / Player For Developers: All the above and CVS Access All the necessary development tools For system end: LDAP (Authentication) PostreSQL or SAPdb (or similar RDBMS) for Data Storage (optional) A Transaction Engine A Time Engine A Logger Engine A Location Engine (with Lat/long/height & distance calculator) ---------- End Architecture definition ----------------- ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/

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LUG Meet query
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hello All I became LUG member last year while searching linux article for my LAN setup. Even though I have been receiving messages everyday but don't read message deeply due to work load of migrating applications and other data to Linux platform. I am still on the way but at a glance today's article tells some kind of LUG meet. I don't know what is LUG meet? If its a meeting of mailing list members what is the aim and purpose of the meet? Is it chargeable? Kindly clear my queries. From: Bilal Ahmed Mazhar EDP Manager

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rpc broadcast problem
by vipin Dravid 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

hi i am stuck here in a rpc broadcast(udp) problem...i am unable to send rpc reuest to other linux m/cs on LAN thru my prog using clnt_broadcast(), when checked externally thru rpcinfo , i am getting response from other unix m/cs (solaris , unixware) but no other linux box is responding .... if somebody can throw any light , pls help Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also it will be nice if some1 can reduce size of pictures. My ISP charges me based on MB downloaded. I guess using compression-bit downsizing pictures can be reduced to 20-30k in size. Thanks. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Chetan Vaity wrote: > >> >http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ > >Can someone send me a commentary for each of the pictures? I'll put it >up along with the pictures. It will be nice for those who couldn't >attend. > >-- >Lewis's Law of Travel: > The first piece of luggage out of the chute doesn't belong to anyone, > ever. > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also, postmaster should be run with -i option. Or the better way is to set that option in 'postgresql.conf' located somewhere in /var/lib/pgsql/ Amish. Devdas Bhagat wrote: >On 10/12/02 02:31 +0530, Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote: >> A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for >> host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop >Make an entry in /var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf >host petshop 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 crypt > >Devdas Bhagat > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hi, I am kind of new to using PostgreSQL.I wrote a program which establishes a simple connection to the database by passing in three parameters; the database , username and password. I have created a postgres user and a have assigned it a password by using the createuser script. however running the program throws some exception which is as follows A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop and the first line of the stacktrace goes something like this at org.postgresql.jdbc1.AbstractJdbc1Connection:openConnection(.... I am not trying to do anything fancy over here, so any method to make postgres and jdbc run is welcome.I use Mdk Linux 9.0 which i think comes with PostgresSQL 7.3. thanx Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, I tried using VMWare but it runs too slow on my machine. SM>From: "Shahed Moolji" <shahed(a)enoor.com> SM>To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> SM>Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. SM>Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:11:45 -0600 SM>Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in SM>Hi, SM>I use vmware. Its commercial, and its probably not SM>quite the same as WINE , but it does allow me to SM>test network apps between linux SM>and windows, without having another SM>physical machine. SM>Regards SM>Shahed -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.
by Mitul Limbani 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Mitul : 9820332422 Trevor : 9820349221 Dinesh : 9821311906 Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Best Regards, Mitul Limbani CTO, Enterux Solutions (http://www.enterux.com/) P.S: The above details are as confirmed to me by Trevor

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screen saver
by vipin Dravid 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

hi guys one trivial query, can i create and run my own screen saver ??? how to make a new screen saver work ??? i know KDE uses *.kss executables as screen saver, intead can i run a screen saver using xscreensaver ( a new one not system defaults) Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

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Running Windows Programs
by Girish Hanchate 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

You can use staroffice 6.0 also which is product of SUN to handle documents, Presentations & spreadsheets & it is very decent product. rgds girish Hi, KOffice, OpenOffice can handle your documents, presentations, spreadsheets etc as efficiently (rather more) than dear M$. Mozilla, Lynx, Konquerer ... etc are great for viewing websites. there are better mail clients so at the end of the day why do want to run M$ app from Linux when you have better alternatives. still if u want to use IE/ Office try using WINE - it does a decent job for lightweight M$ apps but u cant be sure as it is still in development. Regards Harsh R Busa _________________________________ BackendGuru Technologies http://www.BackendGuru.com info(a)BackendGuru.com Tel : 098206-93048 / 91-22-28985205 ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. > > Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I > am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet > Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. > Is there a way to do it? > > Thanking in advance. > > -- > Best regards, > Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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[Commercial] Vidyakash 2002 - International Conference on Online learning
by Philip S Tellis 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Some of you may be aware of Vidyakash 2002, the rest of you can have a look at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ People interested can either register online, or download the registration forms and mail them in to us. We're offering a special discounted rate for students. Conference registration for just Rs.750/- Tutorial registration is Rs.500/- for a half day tutorial and Rs.800/- for a full day tutorial. Students will not receive a conference kit, but will receive everything else (like lunch, for example ;) Rates for others: Delegates from Non-profit / Educational Organisations Conference: Rs.1500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.1200, half day: Rs.800 Other Delegates Conference: Rs.2500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.2000, half day: Rs.1200 Register at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ Mail vidyakash2002(a)ncst.ernet.in for more details. Phone: (022) 27565303/04/05 (Navi Mumbai) Philip

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Using Dreamweaver with WINE
by Kapil Karekar 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hi Luggers, I tried using Dreamweaver with wine. However it is not working. Whenever I try to run any windows programs it throws up a kernel32.dll error. Does anybody know how to tackle this? The exact error message is given below: err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found I tried including the line "kernel32" = "builtin,native", the result was that I got the error given below: err:win32:do_relocations FATAL: Need to relocate C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll, but no relocation records present (stripped during link). Try to run that file directly ! err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll failed (error 193), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found Thanks! Kapil Karekar

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Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. Is there a way to do it? Thanking in advance. -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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Java Applets on Linux Netscape
by kshitijv 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi luggers, I Wanna know ways of detecting presence of java 2 plugin and its version before loading my applet. If user's browser does not conatin jva plugin he should be redirected to download it first. (applet should not load). How can I do this? One of my firends told me I can use Object tag for this. But in Netscape on Linux how can I do this? Thanks in advance. -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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problem with mounting of windows partition
by Pradnyesh Sawant 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hello, i currently have rhl 7.3 installed on my system. i added the foll line to "/etc/fstab" "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user 0 0" this change mounts the win partition in the partition in the directory /mnt/win with the permissions 755 & root as the owner so that no other user gets the write permission but i want to give write permission to my normal user account so i tried the foll line "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,rw 0 0" but it does not work so i tried adding the foll line to "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" "chmod -R 777 /mnt/win" this only increased my boot up time, but did not solve the problem this way i have to log in as the root 2 do even small changes am facing a lot of problems this way plz help!! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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(commercail) linux hosting
by Harsh R Busa 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi all, I m in need of 5-10 blocks of 10mb each of Linux based webspace. Please contact me via email OFF THE LIST , quoting your price, site url, will be nice if i cud get demo of control panel. etc Regards Harsh R Busa

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Wine, Dine and Network(tweak)ing
by Jeetu 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hey all, Am new to the list and relatively new to Linux in general, though have been using it as my primary OS for quite sometime now and luv it :) I'm using Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18 and my research interest is in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP) - a subset of AI. I have my open source project called Mother (http://mother.sourceforge.net) Have a few queries and would really appreciate if I could get some help on them : a) Over a period of time have been trying to follow the Wine project and it's progress. I'm quite impressed by it. Recently I've been trying to install Office 97 on it using wine-20021125 and the installation fails after it searches for installed components. Any ideas on how to get it goin?....and I use OpenOffice and just wanna see if I can get this going to guage the progress of Wine (basically trying to see how long it'd be before I can run my VB based inventory software at work which is currently under development under Linux....then I can run Linux at work :) ). The Wine newsgroup doesn't seem to respond to this, however there are ppl who say Office 97 is running for them....if anyone here knows how then i'd appreciate. b) I have a Realtek 8139 based NIC and it runs great. I'm using the BSES Powersurfer Broadband service. I get speeds similar to those I get under Windows and was wondering if there's tweaking I can do that'd help improve that. My network interface comes up during bootup as set in half-duplex mode....is that due to the card? or due to the network?? basically can I set this to full duplex? or is there any other way to significantly improve speeds. c) The Konqueror file browser upon trying to unzip a .tar.gz file seems to do it very very slowly, for huge files, when compared to the tar utility. Is that a bug or is there something i should do to set it right? d) Anyone here knows of any project (or app) that aims to bring Voice Chatting abilities to MSN clones under Linux. I know the aboves quite a long list of questions.....thanks a lot in advance for all the help. Bye for now

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Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

On Thursday 05 December 2002 10:18 am, bsf wrote: > hi all > > why not hack a working mailing list server ( say mailman ) to include this > functionality > by this we wdn't have to reinvent the wheel for actually building up a > mailing list prog .... > secoindly it could provide an option for traditional sending out emails > too ... for people who are behind a firewall and cannot pop access ... I am going to follow these basic rules. 1. Should use the same mailing list software and not try to reinvent the wheel by writing a new mailing list software. (This will include studying the present mailing lists softwares and their analysis) 2. Include POP as an option to it instead of forcing everyone to POP from the server. So POP will only be an feature and not a compulsion, list admins my diable this feature if required. 3. Support to reply to mails online - web based. (Online Yahoo groups or google groups for example). The interested programmers who have contacted me and I have managed to gather their info are: "Srinivasan. R" <cnu_28 {at} yahoo.com> "Aliasgar Dahodwala" <rock_ali {at} indiatimes.com> If anyone else interested (or I have missed theie name) then please get in touch with me at amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org. Documentation also has to be written so anyone keen on doing that part can also > > thirdly ... the time to the finished product wd be greatly reduced ... The software that is popular need not be better. The software that is better need not be popular. It is a matter of choice what you prefer, better or popular. Linux/GNU gives you choice and also is the best software today in the market, ever guessed how much does it cost? Amish K. Munshi. (IT Engg.) Registered Linux user 282018 at http://counter.li.org Homepage http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish Email address amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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LUG meet
by Kamlesh Shah 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi... all I may join you at the meet.. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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MBR / Partition table woes
by Chetan Vaity 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Has anyone recoverd a partion table with a tool called "gpart". This tool scans the entire disk block by block looking for partition begin patterns. The guesses can then be used to recreate the partition table by hand. A friend of mine wanted to reinstall Win2000 on a dual boot machine. The (fateful) sequence of events: --------------------------------- 1. I copied the first sector of /dev/hda to a file /root/MBR.grub using dd. 2. Booted from the Win2K CDROM and installed Win2K. 3. Try booting. No grub. Directly goes on and boots Windows. 4. Booted from RedHat 7.3 CDROM, entered rescue mode. It recognised the existing linux partitions. Copied the first sector of /dev/hda to /root/MBR.win, again using dd. Then copied the /root/MBR.grub to /dev/hda. 5. Try booting. Grub appears. Enter Linux choice - boots Linux properly. But when Windows is selected in grub, it pops up Grub again. 6. Again booted using RedHat CDROM. Copied /root/MBR.win to /dev/hda. 7. Try booting. Nothing. Just a blank screen. No error messages. 8. Panic. 9. Try booting using RedHat CDROM. Now it doesn't find any Linux partitions. Only raw device /dev/hda available. 10. Panic! 11. Compile "gpart" on another machine and transferred it to this m/c using a floppy. (in Linux rescue mode). Started gpart. I will try and get the output of gpart and post it here. Any help, advice will be appreciated. - Chetan

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Removing prefix from subject
by Gautam Mani 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi all, I have been using Linux for more than 3 years now, and joined this mailing list around 2 weeks back. I have a small suggestion. Can we remove the [ILUG-BOM] prefix in the subject of all mails in the list as it reduces readability in the index of messages. Is there any specific reason why it exists? It would be cool if someone could point that out. To make my point clear, checkout the two screenshots of my mailer (taken on ilug-bom and the mutt-users mailing list) 1. ilug-bom linuxers: http://www.execve.net/showcase/ilug-bom.png 2. mutt-users: http://www.execve.net/showcase/mutt-users.png As you all can clearly see, it not only reduces readability, but also hurts the eyes (as a matter of speaking). Thoughts/Comments? Cheers, Gautam -- Gautam Mani <execve_at_execve_dot_net> Don't be a slave! Use the Door -- use Linux. Secure-Key: [ A7E6 795F AF8D 91AF 1D5E 3CC5 7847 7DCC 7586 EF34 ]

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Linux Localization Professionals
by Satish Mohan 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi, We at Red Hat are on the localization project for Indian languages for Linux. Though a lot of work has been done by various bodies the same needs to be coordinated and channelized.we are putting in place a team towards that. We are looking for experienced linux programmers with background on fonts and keyboard maps development (preferably). Kindly contact me off list regards satish -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Satish Mohan Tel : +91-22-2853452 - - Enterprise Consultant Mob : +91-98210-57213 - - Red Hat India (www.in.redhat.com) Fax : +91-22-2845343 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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User wise Disk Usage across the entire Hard drive
by Asif Shaikh 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi, We've ported our file server to RedHat 7.3 now being used as a domain controller on my office LAN. I need to get a report of user wise disk usage in the entire Hard Drive, not only in the users home folders. Is there any command/monitoring tool that can help me get this info? Rgds, Asif

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Article:A Beginner's guide to Linux
by Hanisha Vaswani 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

hi, came across an interesting article on NY Times which deals with common Linux queries. It is a real eye-opener... sort of 'how the rest of the world STILL feels abt. Linux'. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/05/technology/circuits/05POGUE-EMAIL.html?8c… the site requires you to be registered (which is Free) to view the article. hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Regd. NYT article
by Hanisha Vaswani 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

have created a userid on NY Times for anyone interested in reading the Linux article mentioned in my previous mail. UId: ilug_bom Passwd: bombay best, hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Parsing with Perl
by DalelAmari＠aol.com 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

My name is Dalel. I have 441 emails in txt format. how can I process them in perl and then put the content in mysql database. In mysql databse, I need to have the following fields: date subject from to cc text (body) Thank you Dalel

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] meeting in KReSIT on 8th
by sameer shinde 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

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linux lunacy.... whats up??
by Gurpreet Singh 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi guys there's no talk abt linux lunacy these days up here.... is it still a plan, or has it been scrapped??? i wish not! What all talks are gonna be included? plz keep us updated fellows. regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Agenda for the LUG meet
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> > >I would like to have an arrangement where we can show the installation of >Debian or gentoo (if time permits), and a lecture on using emacs. Anyone who >can do this? > > > gentoo? do you have Gentoo 1.4 and some basic apps downloaded? then I'd like to buy, borrow, or steal those CDs when we meet :-) Regards, - A.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> [storing mail on the mailing list server, retrieval by POP3, instead > of sending it out via SMTP as god intended] > > You do realise that you're re-inventing Usenet? hmm, I know it does sound similiar to newsgroups (aside from the protocol: NNTP vs POP3) but the key difference is that only people on the list can send mail (which I think is the default) against everyone allowed or moderation by one or more persons on newsgroups. What I really think this idea is useful for is to use an existing mailing list software eg. Mailman, and to modify an exisiting option on it: (disable delivery :: on/off) to something like (Mail Delivery:: On/POP3/Off). So those who want can still get SMTP messages, those who don't want can disable mails totally. The killer app is when you are away for a time, and turn POP3 on for the duration. When you get back, just download the messages for the duration from POP3; this means your real mailbox is never full or don't receive soemthing like 200 messages which is quite possible ;-) And if you disable you cannot get them at all, and have to browse from the web or something. so best of both worlds :-) I'd like to help for this idea, but as I suspect Mailman is in Python it'll take a bit of time to get used to it and I'll do it after my exams, something like after Jan 15. imho there is no point in writing something new, it may not be as well tested or known, just modify some already existing and working software (Mailman) to do what we need :-) Regards, - A. ---------------------------------------------------- There is no stability in life, but only opportunity.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Aliasgar Dahodwala 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi, i am interested in your project... please get in touch with me on rock_ali(a)yahoo.com bye Ali <final year comp eng student> linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949 _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents "Valufon", Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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Extracting data from a .GDB file
by Kapil Karekar 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

Hi Luggers...:-)) I have a .GDB file containing some data. I want to extract that data to a MySQL database or to a flat file. I have never worked with a .GDB file. Some amount of googlizing had led me to believe that .GDB extension is used by Interbase for its database files. How do I get the data out of that GDB file? I don't have Interbase installed on my Linux m/c. Can I still access the data in the file? Regards Kapil Karekar ---------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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TIS firewall toolkit problem
by kishor bhagwat 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

hello guys, i have installed TIS fwtk 2.1 on my redhat6.2 kernle 2.2.19 box i have configured the plug-gw in the netperm-table as plug-gw: port pop3 * -plug-to 10.1.201.1 -port pop3 this is basically to allow access from all IP addresses my DNS is configured properly however for each and every request access is denied Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: nbm_core_fullmesh/210.140.153.131 host nam e lookup failed Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: deny host=unknown/210.140.153.131 service= pop3 (dummy ip given here;-) hwowver the ip address is perfectly reverse resolvable in the DNS yet im getting access denied errors the connection is dropped after the initail TCP handshake any ideas regds, Kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Gurpreet Singh 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 Amish Munshi wrote : >Hello all, > > This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can >get comments >on this idea. > > I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope >that some of >you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. > This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people >to >participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in >any >programming languages, however I would like if you understand >programming >atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this >will be C++, >or JAVA. > The project goes like this. > >Today mailing lists function this way. > >A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to >send the mail to >everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the >mailing lists >servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or >thousands of >mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times >the deleivary >is not completed in the first attempt as well. > >There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop >account on this >very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a >good >solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a >message need to me >maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the >server will >rise exponentially. > >The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server >maintains a >index of all the available messages it has received right from >the time the >server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve >mails then he >can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP >client and the >server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will >not have a >normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the >mailing list >software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the >mailing >list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. >In this >index there will be account of the messages that the member has >not yet >received, only those messges will be given to him as new >messages. [snip] doubts -------- 1.still the server has to maintain all the mails, as it has to make archives, that anyways takes up memory?? 2. while maintaining the index no, after sometime this number will scale upto high values and keep growing. after certian amnt of time, the inbuilt datastructures will not be able to hold the no. and thus we will have to store it in a userdefined structure like an array or a linked list... thats it. although i wont be able work on this project now as i am doing one already! but i can provide help in designing the data structure for the index as am working on something like that... regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949

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TCP/IP stack info reqd
by Pradnyesh Sawant 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hello, plz help me with the TCP/IP stack as implemented on a linux box my be project requires it u cud send me links where i cud get info on the reqd topic THANX! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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