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pstotext src/rpm needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Does neone have a copy of the pstotext program> The compaq virtual paper link turned out to be a dud. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

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dynsmic ip
by Prasad 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

hi all i am working on a RH 7.3 and my internet service provied me dynamic IP address,because of which whene ever ON my comp i have new IP address, so i always have to go to site and update it evrytime,so that i can receive mails in my mail client ,i also have Win Xp and i have installed one software which automatically updates the IP because of which i don't have to go to site and update it , so here i just want to know that whether i can do the sam in linux... will be waiting for the reply . prasad

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filesystem repairs on mounted systems.
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Hi Friends I want to carry out some file system repairs (fsck, badblocks, etc) The problem is that I want to carry out the repairs on my root partition and swap partitions but when my system boots those partitions are already mounted. There should be a way in which, after my system boots I unmount the partitions or else my system boots such that the partitions are not used at all. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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PINE on command line
by Girish Hanchate 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

If u want to send the mail thru command line use mail command. Mail command has all features of pine. rgds girish Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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getch in linux
by Hrushikesh Tilak 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Can I use getch in C program with using gcc? Do i have to insert some header? Or can I use it by doing something else? Is there any substitue function for it? Please Help! Thanks in advance! Hrushikesh Tilak. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Linux diskless workstn
by Kamlesh Shah 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Anybody... We are looking for supplier of case, power supply, mother board etc for disk-less linux workstation of very small size. Let me know if any of you are aware of such supplier and I'll be thankful. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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Big in 2003 - the SuSE desktop?
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ=1037770745&REQSESS=10248178&… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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What's the fuss about... UnitedLinux
by Kiran Nadgir 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=21046&14001REQSU… ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -Helen Keller ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Fwd: [ragu@vsnl.com: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project]
by Nagarjuna G. 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

----- Forwarded message from Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> ----- > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:55:49 +0530 > From: Raghavendra Bhat <ragu(a)vsnl.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] a memo and the IT@School Project > To: fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1-current-20020808i > > Members of FSUG-Kochi have submitted a memorandum to the Government of > Kerala regarding the choice of software and syllabus prescribed for > the IT@School project. Link up and read the full memo at > > http://www.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/mass-memo.html > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Fwd: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP
by Varun 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Varun <varunop(a)yahoo.com> wrote:From Varun Tue Nov 19 01:55:26 2002 Received: from [203.197.45.67] by web40810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 PST Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Varun Subject: Netbios name of windows machine from its IP To: linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-340251462-1037699726=:6162" Content-Length: 512 In a LAN of windows and linuc machines how do I find the netbios name of the windows machine from its IP address. I need to know as there is a conflict in IP address in my college between the linux and windows machine and I cannot find the windows machine as there are around 150 computers. Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Geek by Nature Linux by choice If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem mailto: varunop(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

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MP tells Gates it prefers Linux
by Tahir Hashmi 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

The Economic Times, Nov 20, 2002, pg 10 <quote> MP tells Gates it prefers Linux BHOPAL: Madhya Pradesh, with it's mantra of IT for masses is all set to go the Linux way. Chief Minister Digvijay Singh personally conveyed this message to Microsoft boss Bill Gates during their interaction last week in New Delhi. Madhya Pradesh has thus become the first Indian state to make a definitive choice in favour of open source software in the government system. "For us it is not a question of Microsoft versus Linux. We have nothing against Microsoft or Mr Bill Gates. It's just a matter of choosing between a free software and a monopoly. We feel that when we are putting public information out in the open, then it should not be through a proprietary software," Mr Singh told ET. </unquote> -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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[OT] fun ways to waste time
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/!INDEX.html -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None: The light bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.

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Sending messages using pine in command line
by Sankha Subhra Som 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Hi, How do i send e-mail using pine in command line(by forcing pine not to enter edit mode)??? Any pointers will be useful. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

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PS to PDF: argh!
by Satya 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

So I have a nice copy of my resume in PS, thanks to Openoffice and a certain OS's printer drivers. But when I convert the PS to PDF in Linux (gs 5.10), I get awful output -- Type 3 fonts in the PDF. Why? Any way to fix? And the workaround seems to be to use gsview on the afore-unmentioned OS and print to PDF -- except the pdfwrite device does not exist. Why? gsview and gs on the unmentionable OS (yeah ok, XP) are the latest versions, downloaded today. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf May the Source be with you!

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Re: wrong system date on Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #742
by Parul Mathur 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 12:44, linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^ > Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in List admin, please fix the system date on the mail server. Thanks. Parul --__--__-- Fascinating, a totally parochial attitude. -- Spock, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8

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Programming Bootloaders
by Amol Hatwar 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

One of my friends is trying to get into hacking bootloaders. Most of them are based on C and Assembly. Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Regards, -ah

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distro for installfests
by Ashish Kulkarni 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/18/141251 Hey guys, After reading this slashdot article, I was really struck by the point made there, that you could use a Knoppix Linux _without any chance of damage to your PC_. It's based on Debian, and it's perfect for those who wanna evaluate it. (For those hearing for the first time, it's a "Live" CD -- ie no need to install, just boots off the CD). I've noticed that LinuxPlaza has it too :-) What do you think? - A.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Programming Bootloaders
by Hemant Mohapatra 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Amol Hatwar wrote: > are based on C and Assembly. > > Has somebody been this way before? And is it possible to get it done without > keeping all the rigisters in your brain ;) (i.e. w/o assembly). Hacking into bootloaders is always a painful task. Yes, it IS doable without keeping all the registers in your brain and No you can not do it without assembly. Writing all the important registers on paper would surely help a lot. :) The easiest way is a small hack into the bootloader, which would be then be placed at the start of SDRAM, to take the kernel bootable from some other location in memory. Again, techniques depend from chip to chip. Take your pick. I don't think in this hack you can intervene the loader via serial port/etc/etc and the loader would directly access that location but I am not sure of this feature. Which bootloader would you use? Choose one with minimal appendages. hth _h

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linux lunacy 22dec yes or no??
by Gurpreet Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

HI I AM SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF MY VOICE NOW SO THAT SOMEONE GETS SOME ATTENTION ON THIS HAVE ASKED THIS 3 TIMES ON THE LIST BUT HAVE GOT NO ANSWERS. ** IS LINUX LUNACY FOR 22DEC CANCELLED OR IS IT BEING DONE ???????????????????????????????? ** PLZ FELLOWS REPLY TO THIS ONE ON WHAT U KNOW ABT IT COZ I M NOT IN MUMBAI AND HAVE TO PLZN FOR IT.... sorry if i was very rude gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hi
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi Abhijit Your requirement seems quite straightforward. 5 comps in client server. Does that mean 5 comps in lan with one router (Gateway) one file server etc. It should work smoothly. What are the problems you are exactly facing ? Where is your setup located ? Regards Abhijeet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd)
by Hrushikesh Tilak 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

There is an cyberoam client on http://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberoam/ It works fine except that since it dows not have a gui as thw Windows client, you cannot get the broadcast messages from the cyberoam server. >From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: Linux Users <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? (fwd) >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:32 +0530 (IST) > >Please Cc the OP when replying. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:07:36 +0530 >From: Sandip Bhattacharya <sandip(a)linux-delhi.org> >Reply-To: linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net >To: ILUGD Mailing list <ilugd(a)wpaa.org>, > Linux India Help <linux-india-help(a)lists.sourceforge.net> >Subject: [LIH]Are you a cyberoam 24online user? > > >[Warning:Crossposted. Watch where you reply] > >Hi! > >1. I wanted to know how many of the folks around here are using > cyberoam 24online based cable networks. > >2. If you have, what have been your experiences with using it on > Linux. > a. Have you asked your cable network wallah about using the network > with Linux clients? > b. Or, have you given up and decided to use the windows machine for > accessing the Net > >3. Are you still interested in finding out a way of using these > networks using Linux? > >- Sandip > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sandip Bhattacharya >sandipb <@> bigfoot.com >http://www.sandipb.net GPG/PGP: 0x08EB637C >-------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Linux Publicity is important now
by Prince 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Subject: Linux Publicity Started in Mumbai Hello this is Yashraj , Remeber me [ the photographer in LINUX MEET + Linux Lover ] any way ! what i have done i will explain : i am back from PEN [ where my college is ] i put the complete idea abt Linux Awareness & Projects in front of HOD & Students association the seminar is fixed in FEB or so . The topics which i think to start with : 1] Easy way computing : that's abt M$ windows , cause people are using windows now ........so let's make clear abt nay of the doubts in that OS , giving the suggestion of TIPS & tricks & best softwares , easy softwares The Details : Easy Way Computing : Topics : Windows Environment Why Windows ? Overview of all the Best softwares for Windows Now how you use windows ? What maxmum you can do with windows ? What Professionals are doing with Windows ? Windows Operating in Most easy way Windows with " General Failure Error " Windows & MAC Windows & Linux Linux Awareness : Topics : What is Linux ? Why Linux ? Comparision between Windows & Linux Linux everywhere & no windows Linux Distributions * Linux's X-Windows Linux Applications * Industry Demand for Networking [ Network Engineers ] * Software Development in Windows & Linux * Hardware level / System Level Programming Future Scope in Linux , that's Job ! Use Linux & feel proud about it ! Projects for Engineering Students : Topics : Why not Software Projects ? Why software Projects ? What to Develop ? How to Develop ? What 's the value of our Project ? Relation of your Projects & Jobs Linux Platform for Development What you will Learn ? In future you will be with whome ? What you will know at the End of Project ? Join Linux User's Group & Open Source Revolution What about Scope in Hardware , Hardware - Software ? Does Networking comes under this ? Can we do or get Study Projects based on Latest Technology ? Are you Ready ? SourceForge Projects : Communications (6335 projects) Database (2499 projects) Desktop Environment (1474 projects) Education (1173 projects) Games/Entertainment (5937 projects) Internet (9823 projects) Multimedia (4808 projects) Office/Business (1848 projects) Other/Nonlisted Topic (1044 projects) Printing (174 projects) Religion (112 projects) Scientific/Engineering (3211 projects) Security (1106 projects) Sociology (124 projects) Software Development (6702 projects) System (7905 projects) Terminals (250 projects) Text Editors (1093 projects) ### i will be taking these things in college as a Seminar cum TALKSHOW ! ######## what you think abt it ? i want more material regarding projects ? software & hardware projects ? _ very important now do not ask me to search Sourceforge.net ,,,,,, i have seen , but at our best can provide or suggest to students that i want . still i think Degree eng . students do not get enough time to develop the projects . that's a fact ! so better we should see them in other way .......we can only make awareness of linux among them . for giving PROJECTS we sould find other audience [ other than deg. eng students , at least not in electronics ( Hardware ) ] we should approach Comouter branch & give a Try . if you want i can go to any of the college & will give brief idea abt " why Linux ? " to GET THEIR INTEREST not to teach them anything at that moment ! i have tried in my college like this : " they just know or may be not ( in some cases ] abt LINUX " , heard abt it " , haven't seen , Will only like know abt it , Not to use it at this moment ! _______ Students said so ! What i want from you is , the complete details ( in written format ) abt : Why LINUX ? Where can it can be ? why better than MS win ? which projects we can give ? who we are in LINUX World ? sir these details are EXTREMELY important ! i am Graphic gesigner so i will be able to make LINUX wallpaper [ by my own ] if get the BEST Punch lines & the above details ! so let me know abt what you think abt : My research on student my idea my vimp request abt linux pulicity material Yashraj _ iamprince

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Bash script doubt
by Nikhil Joshi 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi! I'm trying to take command line args with the help of a bash script But i'm not able to achieve it Pls guide. #!/bin/bash # i want to detect command line options # e.g. sample.sh -1 foo1 -2 foo2 -3 foo3 # then i want following : arg1=foo1, arg2=foo2 , arg3=foo3 # I tried following but arg1 takes the value $2, arg2 $3 and arg3 $3 count=0 # counter to track current command line arg for cmd in $@ do count=`expr $count + 1` # count = count + 1 if `test $cmd = -1` then arg1=$`expr $count + 1` echo $arg1 # unfortunately it gives $2 and not foo1 fi done

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how to configure squid+wccp
by Sukhjit Singh 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all kindly help in configuring squid and wccp with cisco 3660 Regards Sukhjit Singh Network Administrator Emmsons Infotech Ltd. SCO 13-14-15, Sec 34A, Chandigarh-160 022 (Ph): +91 172 606664 sukhjits(a)emmtel.com http://www.emmtel.com

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re: [ILUG-BOM] Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Convert the pdf to html using pdf2html http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdf2html/?topic_id=867 Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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.kab to .csv
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi all Does anyone know how to export the addressbook.kab to addressbook.csv. Also where does Kmail 1.4.1 which comes with RHLinux 7.3 store its addressbook. regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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Thinkin in c++ part 2 html format
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi All Does any one of you have Thinking in c++ part 2 in html format from bruceeckel.com. Currently they have only the PDF and Doc format on the site. Thanks Abhijeet D Mhatre

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identify all process-id's of netscape!
by Vimala-SP 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hai, I am running Redhat -7.1. Having some specific query related to netscape in linux. when we open multiple netscape sessions, in gui of linux, all netscape sessions are listed under only one parent netscape session. I would like to all the process-ids of nestcape and map it to the netstat results. I have tried all ps options / ".netscape/lock" / "proc/process-id values. If i am missing out something can u tell me. -vimala/.

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something realted to NIC in promiscuous
by Vimala-SP 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hai, My query is How do i identify the status of all nic cards in my mac. I accept ifconfig will do, but how do i find out if any of NICs are in promiscuous mode or not? -vimala/.

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[OT] More MS sec flaws
by Amol Hatwar 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

More security flaws have been revealed in IE, precisely in the way PNGs are interpreted. One of the people who discovered the flaw has even written a poem on it. Find more news here: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137611 The flaw comes after many sites (especially ones titled to Free Software) stopped using GIFs and started using PNG based images. Is this coincidence? Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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DevFS
by Amish Munshi 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hello everyone, I was busy for a few days and had delivary to my account off for the mailing lists. Is there anything very major happenning on the list? I am using Mandrake 9.0 and something called DevFS starts everytime I boot up my PC. It takes approx 30 seconds of time during bootup. I realized that the following in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit causes it to run. # Try to get devfsd if [ -c /dev/.devfsd ]; then if [ -x /sbin/devfsd ]; then action "Running DevFs daemon" devfsd /dev else if ! grep -q "nodevfsd" /proc/cmdline;then # devfs is used but devfsd isn't installed quiet off gprintf " #### your system is currently using devfs but devfsd isn't availlable" gprintf " #### you should disable devfs (add 'devfs=nomount' to the paramaters" gprintf " #### that your bootloader gives to the kernel" # Let devfs being tested, but disable it on /dev action " Disabling devfs (was mounted on /dev)" umount /dev fi fi fi Can I disable it, I do not understand what it is. There is no man or any other info for it. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Generating images through scripts
by Chetan Vaity 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

I want to create simple images (mostly lines and text) programatically. Has anyone dabbled with Gimp scripting to create images? Or can someone tell me another tool/program which does something similar. - Chetan

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[OT] Economic Times Article "Windows far ahead of Linux: Gates"
by Nikhil Kale 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

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Asus V3005
by Satish Alwani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi I havent yet joined ilug yet.. will do so in a while.. if someone can forward me the exact url.. coz the site only shows me a mail login. Anyways.. I have a Asus V3005 32 MB agp (with respect to http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20020708/005425.htm l) and I'd like to know if anyone has found a workable cure for this. I am trying to use this on Redhat 8.0 Thanks, Satish ilug(a)assid.com

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FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Philip S Tellis 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file Change 5050 to 23 in there. Same is true for everybuddy - change in the preferences window, or in .everybuddy/prefs gaim too probably. Philip -- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)

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Web publishers face worldwide legal liability
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

A judgment in Australia may mean web publishers face worldwide legal liability, says Dan Tench http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,860512,00.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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OT - Topology plotting
by kishor bhagwat 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

hello guys, I'm facing a vexing problem...one of my colleagues is writing a network mgmt system thats queries our WAN devices, collects info on their 'neighbours' and is supposed to plot the topology of the network. so basically...the input to the plotting program would be a list of: nodeID,{set of its neighbours}

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Check out Developement Languages
by Sachin Rase 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

[Fwd: [Ilugc] developer cd update.] -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC ----------

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I have also been hacked in almost they exact same way you have.
by toeknee 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

I unplugged my cracked linux box from my network. I have tried not to tamper too much with the log messages however after reading your thread I to noticed in my .bash_history file there were very many similarities in your story. Let me know what I can do to help. Im not a linux guru but I did do really well in two unix classes I just took so I sort of know my way around. ToeKnee

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject%3

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cannot boot into GNU/Linux
by aditya newalkar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi guys, I am facing somewhat wierd problem. I have Toshiba Laptop (Satellite 1410, Celeron 1.8GHz, 256MB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go Processor with 16 MB VRAM, 30 GB Hitachi IDE Harddisk, Windows XP preinstalled). I partitioned the harddisk using Partition Magic 7.0 into 15GB NTFS C: and 15GB E: FAT32. I installed Redhat 7.2 into that. I made following partitions /boot 100MB / 5GB /usr 3GB /home 3GB /var 3GB swap 512MB actually that much was not needed ... but anyway ;) Now Windows would boot without problem (fortunately) but it would not go to GNU/Linux at all! So I prepared a bootdisk with rawrite and went to rescue mode. I had experimented with GRUB this time which I don't have much idea about ;) In rescue mode it would mount my file system to /mnt/sysimage. To my surprise I found /boot partition empty! No vmlinuz there! Some pages about GRUB had instructed me to type "grub-install" on the command prompt. But that would say "/sbin/grub not found". So I figured probably this was becoz of the mounting the whole file system to /mnt/sysimage. So I saw that grub-install is a shell script I can modify. So I changed some variables to reflect the new mounting. But now it would give message that some file in /mnt/sysimage/usr/i386... is missing! I cannot make head to tail of that message. One mistake that I have done which seems to be quite common, while installing GRUB is I have not labelled the Windows XP partition. Apart from that I got one warning while installing that my architecture may not support the partitioning that I have made. As a GNU/Linux enthusiast I don't want to erase the system that is installed and am trying to find a way to make things work without it as I can. The questions are: 1) Why /boot partition is empty? 2) Why GRUB would not load? 3) What I need to do without going thru the hassels of reinstallation? Thanx ===== rgds, Aditya N. ======= Graduate Student, Electrical & Computer Engineering Department, Auburn University, Auburn AL, USA. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Downloading MP3
by Jeetu Golani 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hey guys, Could anyone tell me where I can download a P2P client for Linux that'll let me download MP3 music. Limewire can't connect for some reason (maybe my ISP=Powersurfer, blocking Gnutella??). I'd really appreciate this Thanks

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MS un-denial leaves Linux option open
by Kiran Nadgir 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Meta Group has made a bold prediction that Microsoft will deliver some server-side software to run on Linux beginning next year, but Redmond's official "denial" leaves the option wide open. It revives a rumor that's been doing the rounds for two years. Starting with .NET, thinks Meta Group, Microsoft will eventually move SQL Server and Exchange to the OS, too. Read more.. @.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28516.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Hi.. I am a new Lugger..
by Dileep Kumar 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hello everybody, I am new to LUG Mumbai I am a s/w engr working with Tata Consultancy Services, Borivali Mumbai. I would like to be part of the activities of LUG Mumbai and to spread a word about the greatness of GNU/Linux to my colleagues and friends.I will try to attend your next meeting at VJTI. Does LUG have any program like visiting different companies and schools/ colleges to spread awareness about Open source software. If so I can arrange for the facilities in TCS. Warm Regards dk.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss : Saswata Banerjee & Associates
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. >

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to mo

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswata Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > The term .NET is confusing, you are refering to the passport >and other > > > services. Speaking technically correctly .NET is an >initiative... that > > > promises a lot of things. The Linux/Windows interoperability >that I am > > > talking of here is one of them. > > > > DotNet is not just a strategy, it is also a family of >products. It >includes >*snip* >Right on... the products are to implement the strategy... and the >strategy >as I see it will ultimately evolve to hoodwink the users. > > > > > The move to port dotnet to linux platform is another >version of the >same > > > > > > Like I said .NET is NOT a product that you install... its >an >initiative... > > > comprising of a multitude of products and services. >Porting... is some > > other > > > question. > > > > I was refering to the DotNet Server Software and the DotNet >Framework > > including Microsoft Intermediate Language. These will ensure >that all > > software designed for running on the dotnet server and those >made with > > Microsoft Visual Studio .Net RAD tools will work on linux. > >Right on again... M$ wants to reap from the Linux market as well. >Thats >because they know they're strong on desktop products.... the M$ >Office Suite >for instance. They want to sell that to Linux users too. Its like >a dual >strategy. They want to replace our applications and then our OS >as well. > > > > > > > > > > hedging......in case linux becomes more popular on the >server front, > > > > software designed on dotnet platform will run even if the >server is > > > running > > > > linux, and the desktops are windows. Believe me, they will >finalise >and > > > > complete the codes to production level only if linux >becomes too >popular > > > at server level.......Otherwise, it will remain >"experimental" > > > > > > Which OS do you think has the upperhand in server markets >now? :D > > > > True, Linux has a lead in the server market, specially in >large and very > > large applications, webservers, etc. But Windows is catching >on faster >than > > you realise. Futher, dont forget that there is another fast >growing server > > market, which is servers used by (small, medium and large%2

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