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by satyajit balkrishna saste 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

We have set up a netwk of 2 comps in linux.They are able to ping each other.We are however unable to share each others files using NFS.The Kernel version is 2.4.2-2 and it Red Hat based PCQ Linux. Plz echo me as soon as possible. -Satyajit Saste

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knowing the list of loaded modules.
by akshaysalkar 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

does any 1 know where are the list of all the compiled modules stored?? that is i would like to know all the modules and kernel modules that have been loaded or been made moduler? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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fetchmail
by Atul Kumar 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

Greetings, i am Atul from India. I need some help on multidrop mailing with fetchmail using sendmail. My ISP will collect the mails for my domain. a single pop3 account is given. single pop account will collect all the mails (intended to different users). i need to pull these and distribute to the local users. thnx in adavnce regards atul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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openssh 3.4p1 advisory
by Philip S Tellis 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

The openssh sources from ftp.openbsd.org have been trojaned. if you've upgraded recently, go read the link. http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=394609+0+current/freebsd-secur… Philip -- Unix is the worst operating system; except for all others. -- Berry Kercheval

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(no subject)
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Hi, Try and edit your /etc/inetd.conf file . Search for the imap and pop2 file and insert .120 so the final file looks as follows: pop-3 stream tcp nowait.120 root /usr/sbin/tcpd ipop3d imap stream tcp nowait.120 root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd Restart inetd with /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet restart. This is to increase the default POP hits to 120 hits per sec for high load email servers. This helped us to resolve the same issue with redhat 6.2 in our office. Let us know if it helped. Jaishankar ****************** On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 12:15, Hiten Desai wrote: >Hi! > >I have to reload >inet service more than >4 times a day to keep >imap functionality >I m using uw imap and >sendmail on redhat 6.2 >dont know where is the problem >is it in imap ?? >or something else >please help > > >Hiten. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health

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pppd: not replacing existing default route to eth0
by akshaysalkar 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

pppd: not replacing existing default route to eth0 does any know know what this means? i noticed this is the var/log/messages when connecting via dial-up this message comes when my local network is working. however when i disable it ie. my network cards eth0 etc. then my network link works fine. so what could be the problem? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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[offtopic] books for sale
by akshaysalkar 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Does any 1 want Computer/Linux Books at a discounted rate (ie. 25% approx. off the normal price) Books in good condition. Some books are brand new. (Costs after Discount) 1) Data Structures using C & C++ - Tanenbaum - Rs. 150 - PH 2) Teach yourself HTML4 in 24 hours - Oliver/Holshwag Rs. 80 - Techmedia 3) Mastering Foxpro 2.5 Special Edition - Siegel - Rs. 225 - BPB 4) Design of the Unix OS - Maurice Bach - Rs. 150 - PH 5) ObjectOriented Software Engineering - Haladay - Rs. 150 6) Teach yourself UML in 24 hours - Schmuler - Rs. 113 7) Java Software Solutions - Lewis - Rs. 260 8) Understanding Pointers in C - Kanetkar - Rs. 113 9) Write TSR's now - Ras - Rs. 75 10) Problems in General Physics - Irodov - Rs. 113 anybody wanting any of the above books plz. contact me at email : akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com or telephone on 2052404. (plz. leave msg./name/telephone if i am not there) akshay. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents Valufon, Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to block junk mails at Server level
by acharya＠dacafe.com 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Hi Actully there's a software trend which has a Plug in called E manager. We use it for our setup. if u want more info pls contact Crystal Solutions. phone no. 5953112. acharya _____________________________________________________________

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uw imap problem
by Hiten Desai 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Hi! I have to reload inet service more than 4 times a day to keep imap functionality I m using uw imap and sendmail on redhat 6.2 dont know where is the problem is it in imap ?? or something else please help Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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Intel motherboard BIOS upgrade causing GRUB failure on RedHat 7.3 Linux boot
by B. J. Ram Rao 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

I built a desktop using the Intel D850MV motherboard with a Pentium 4/1.60 GHz CPU and 256MB RDRAM (4 x 64MB/PC600 RIMM cards). The desktop board came with BIOS version P05 (MV85010A.86A.0011.P05.0111141737) preinstalled. I installed two Seagate ST340810A 40-GB hard drives. The primary master drive had a Windows 95 (LBA) partition for Windows Me, and the primary slave drive was partitioned into 10GB EXT3 for Linux and 30GB for Windows Me. The bootloader was GRUB 0.91, for switching between a RedHat 7.3 boot and a Windows Me boot. Everything (RedHat 7.3 and Windows Me)worked perfectly.

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Sign up
by Himanshu Shukla 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The sign up page is up (http://www.thefreespeech.org/collaborate/). Its working all right, but I am not exactly happy with it. 1. The short id is mandatory, and has to be exactly 6 chars. I have not made any provisions to check for it. Need to do it asap. 2. the php code is not really neatly written. 3. I dunno if there are any bugs in this (security or otherwise). Could someone please go through the code and just help me with modifications. I must admit that this is the first time I played with php + mysql. However, till then, you could sign up guys..it does the job all right! - -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj1GHFYACgkQU1ohqIKr1nMoZACdHAFhOQ5tlSCd2h06HwCk/gLa ObYAn0RshzKNJXa4ejXCbgz1eNhhWNyo =FyxQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Mouse Cursor Color
by Sachin 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

hi there, i want to change the color of mouse cursor in X (which genrally black) do any body have a clue or done it before then plz help me out in the matter. i have tried to search on google but it did not help me alot [ there are some other lib which did not worked for me] thax in advance sachin -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Anger is momentary madness. -- Horace ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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[Fsf-Friends] GLUE CD revised
by Nagarjuna G. 30 Jul '02

30 Jul '02

----- Forwarded message from Arun M <arun(a)freedevelopers.net> ----- FWD message from Mr Ajith, ---- From: Ajith Kumar <ajith(a)nsc.ernet.in> To: fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in, ajith(a)nsc.ernet.in Subject: GLUE CD revised Date: 30 Jul 2002 11:03:10 +0530 Hello, I would like to announce the availability of GNU Linux Utilities for Education , GLUE, CDROM. You can browse the CD and install packages from it. Compilers for logo, basic, pascal etc are include. Lot of tutorials on various topics. Graphics Programming on GNU/Linux for the "Turbo C" fellows. The new version includes an installation script and does the following 1. Converts the GNU/Linux installed machine to a Terminal Server. Installation and configuration of LTS is done by the script. If the terminal video cards are autodetected by XFree86-4 , they just boot from the ether-boot floppy created. (tested on redhat 7.1 & 7.3 ) 2. Installs and configures IceWM ( a fast , flexible window manager ideal for terminal servers) and puts a menu tailored for school use. 3. Installs other RPM & TGZ packages from CD Anybody interested in getting a copy may contact Free Software User Group Calicut ( fsug(a)rediffmail.com) or me Other contacts: Rajeesh P., Calicut, (Ph. 355415) ajith _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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How to block junk mails at Server level
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 30 Jul '02

30 Jul '02

Hi Guys, Our linux RedHat 6.2 Email Server runs sendmail with qpopper and Drac perfectly. The system also run RAV Antivirus good enough to clean all virus at server level. After setting up DRAC we could minimise the spammers to a larger extend. Now the issue is users do receive lots of junk mails with promotional offers/ads etc which we would like to block at server level itself. Setting filters in procmail has really not Any pointer to commercial softwares or any other method to achieve this would be appreciated. Thanks and Regards jaishankar

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thefreespeech.org - Sign up page almost ready
by Himanshu Shukla 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, The signup page for the PRC & the forum is almost ready. Basically, people will be able to sign up for a login, either as a mentor or a student, which will be entered into respective phprojekt database tables. They may then use the userid to login to the groupware, or use the forum (no more guest logins!!). Hopefully, it'll be up by tomorrow. - -- Regards, | http://www.thefreespeech.org |Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj1FAikACgkQU1ohqIKr1nO4bQCffaLTNDMaeX1RSjMAv5whE7MR 1JQAoNZ/99H+/2MJv2NNWSbU64f3NCU9 =gzr3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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piping sendmail log to mySql ??
by Poonam P 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

Hello, I need to pipe sendmail log to MySql. How can I achieve this... Suggestions and pointers pls. Thanks poonam ________________________________________________________________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com

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COMMERCIAL: Network & Support Enggs, System Admins wanted
by Himanshu Shukla 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

Cybertech Networks is an IT consulting & software development company providing hosting, messaging, enterprise software solutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Network Engineer (Maharashtra - Thane) Responsibilities: To develop products/services on the linux platform. To provide onsite/telephonic/email to customers. To provide hardware/software related support to internal customers. To provide pre-sales / post-sales support to customers. Requirements: Should possess atleast 1 year of relevant experience. Extensive knowledge of Unix/Linux operating systems. Knowledge of TCP/IP & Networking- Strong Shell / Perl Scripting Skills. Extensive knowledge Of Sendmail / Qmail / Fetchmail / Squid / Iptables / Courier IMAP / Jabber / OpenLDAP / Apache/Bind- OS Kernel experience- System administration experience. Excellent communication skills. Strong verbal, written and organizational skills. Applicants must be willing to work in Thane. Please contact Mr. Allan Lewis off the list at allan(a)cnpl.co.in.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Qmail + LDAP + distributed architecture
by Himanshu Shukla 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, kishor bhagwat wrote: > hi folks, > We need to deploy a qmail with LDAP for address book and > authentication at several of our offices spread over the > country. > We'll be putting one central server at our data center, > with an anti virus gateway for it.So its a hub-n-spoke > kinda architecture.All mails to-n-fro the Internet will > pass thru this central server. > some issues that i'd like help with: > > 1)i need a single domain ( company.com) to be hosted across > these multiple mail servers > No problems - In ~control/me, enter the particular location's host name. Example, If in Mumbai, enter mum.yourdomain.com, and in locals / rcpthosts for all machines, enter yourdomain.com. In addition, all locations' host names should be entered in locals and rcpthosts (this will be needed for what you intend to do) > 2)Intra-office mail, i.e mail from an user to another user > in the same office should be delivered locally. Use ldap replication and the mailHost attribute - Let mum.yourdomain.com be the central Master LDAP server, and let all other locations be slaves. If you add any entry at any of the slaves, they shld be replicated at all slaves via the master. Use the mailHost attribute to specify that user's mailbox location. Mails will get delivered locally for local mailboxes, through QMQP for <yourdomain> users who are not local, and others will get delivered through normail Qmail procedures. > > 3)Mail for remote user i.e.one situated at another location > should be routed to that location's mail server, but > through the central anti-virus gateway. IMHO, this is not possible if you are using Qmail-LDAP. I wld say that the above procedure is the best method. IF you still wnat to do it this way, this could be the architecture. Apart from the central server, none of the machines run LDAP, but all of them have the QMQP service running. Run two Qmail services at all locations - the second only with QMQP. The only file in the second Qmail's control file would be smtproutes, which would have the entry of your central server. The main Qmail's .qmail-default file would contain something like: | /var/qmail2/bin/forward "$EXT(a)yourdomain.com" So all mails for "anyone(a)yourdomain.com" not found locally would be delivered to the central mail server through QMQP. Here using the mailHost attribute, Qmail would deliver the mails to the appropriate location. > > 4) All users have a common web interface for changing > passwords hack Horde IMP. > > 5)In case of qmail,how can i have some accounts on the > local server and then instruct the server to send mails to > some other user but belonging to the same domain to some > other smtp sever.. this without LDAP.... > i.e user1(a)company.com wants to mail user2(a)company.com > but user1 and user2 are on diff machines .. LDAP is not > involved in the picture > i want mails to go thru a central mail server!!!! Just mentioned this architecture in 3. > > I guess this might sound a little confusing, but i'm sure > most of ya guys will get it! Not at all - the most common scenario in corporates, but thanks to Qmail-LDAP, the solution is just about perfect, and simple - Just 1 catch though, it helps if all your locations are connected permanently. - -- Regards, | www.thefreespeech.org | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iEYEARECAAYFAj1E1+kACgkQU1ohqIKr1nPg+gCgonoQ3rbfehS0wYttIKp7Soi4 P/wAoIboA5f2ckbPlDMCPbtl+tM607Wq =LtZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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commercial: job for open source people
by Deepen Vinod Dhulla 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

hi, I work for one comming up linux company in vashi, Navi Mumbai, India, I am looking out for people who are expert and best in perl,cgi mysql and php programming and can joing the team to bring linux in more user-friendly in User ans system Administration. I am also looking out for people who are good in linux cirtis and have broad vision about linux in india. Who can joing our team to bring linux in Indian IT Business or think and work out for marketing Linux based solution in India. one can contact me at deepen(a)technoinfosys.com or visit my company website : http://www.technoinfosys.com Let bring Linux to each corner of India. Regards Deepen Dhulla http://www.deependhulla.com deepen(a)technoinfosys.com

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Shutdown error
by Sameer Shinde 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

Hi all, When I halt the system, I get the following error message. General Protection fault : f000 CPU : 0 ; EIP : 0050[<00008881>] EFLAGS : 00010046 & lot more combination of 0s & 1. with last line, /etc/rc0.d/s01halt : line1 : 2192 Segmentation fault halt -i -d -p Why is this coming ? How to remove it? Thanks & Regards, SAMEER :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Messenger IDs : MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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[2] Error while transfering install image on HDD- Out of disk space
by Sameer Shinde 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

Hi All, The problem continues here...... On the 2nd day, the system hanged twice ( in 2 tries) I needed to hardboot these times. On the 3rd try I get the message like: "An error occured while transfering the install image to your hard disk. You are probably out of disk space." this sends me back where the installation starts. [ Read the message carefully, as I mention above, I had kept around 3.7 GB for / & the total package size was around 1.5GB ] once again I tried to install, but again I got the same message. so I decided to make a clean installation & moved back by pressing back button. When I reached to partitioning part of the installation, I got the message..... " The partition table on device hda is carrupted. To create new partitions it must be initialized causing the loss of ALL DATA on this drvie" This was along with 2 options [ initialize ] [ skip Drive ] Naturally, I skiped the Drive b'coz I do not wanted to loose all my data which is in windows. This gives me another message, " an error has occured - no valid devices were found on which to create new file system. Plz check your hardware for the cause of this problem. Pressing [OK ] leads me to another message, " An exceptional condition has occured. This is most likely a bug. Plz copy the full txt of this exception & file a bug report at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzila" [ I have a copy of the bug with me & not attached here, if anybody want it I can send it to them. ] ${ Do I need to remove all the partitions, (including windows partition which I don't want to be,b'coz of my data) to initialize the disk & re-define the partition table

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Qmail + LDAP + distributed architecture
by kishor bhagwat 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

hi folks, We need to deploy a qmail with LDAP for address book and authentication at several of our offices spread over the country. We'll be putting one central server at our data center, with an anti virus gateway for it.So its a hub-n-spoke kinda architecture.All mails to-n-fro the Internet will pass thru this central server. some issues that i'd like help with: 1)i need a single domain ( company.com) to be hosted across these multiple mail servers 2)Intra-office mail, i.e mail from an user to another user in the same office should be delivered locally. 3)Mail for remote user i.e.one situated at another location should be routed to that location's mail server, but through the central anti-virus gateway. 4) All users have a common web interface for changing passwords 5)In case of qmail,how can i have some accounts on the local server and then instruct the server to send mails to some other user but belonging to the same domain to some other smtp sever.. this without LDAP.... i.e user1(a)company.com wants to mail user2(a)company.com but user1 and user2 are on diff machines .. LDAP is not involved in the picture i want mails to go thru a central mail server!!!! I guess this might sound a little confusing, but i'm sure most of ya guys will get it! any help appreciated! regards, kishor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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PRC - Mentors and Students resposnibilities
by Shankar Ramchandran 27 Jul '02

27 Jul '02

We need to define a procedure for signing up for a project and Mentor- Student responsibilities. I have the few suggestions.. The mentor is required to bring in domain knowledge to the project. The mentor will decide the scope of the project. [in consultation with students based on project requirements etc] The mentor is involved in an advisory and guiding position in all phases of the project [planning, design, coding, testing, documentation etc] Mentor may choose to perform part of the coding or he may not. Students will be involved in all phases of the project and should commit in principle to stick to the end of the project. Mentor may choose to request some one for independant quality assessment...[at least for non corporate projects] More questions we need to find answers to: If mentors for a project are decided merely on volunteer basis, then we need functionality to support a wish list. where someone not qualified or not having enough time to be a mentor can put up a project that someone takes up as a mentor. Will the mentor decide how big a team is required...& will we have projects that students cannot sign up for? How will a student sign up? [ i guess we need to create a page for that] - Shankar

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view total phys. mem.
by Manish Jethani 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

How can I view the total amount of physical memory, say 256m, available to the system. free(1) shows 250m on my system where I have 256m total. Manish

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tomcat woes - Does not load (?) servlets.
by Himanshu Shukla 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Dinesh Shah wrote: > The example servlets which came with the tomcat is running fine. > > I want to enable servlets in my "DocumentRoot" > My servlets are in "/home/httpd/htdocs/servlet/WEB-INF/classes" > I had similar problems, and had followed similar steps, with an identical configuration file. I am sorry, I don't exactly remember the procedure, but I know where I found the answer. I searched on http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user I followed the exact procedure listed in one of the message bodies. Hope it helps. -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] phpgroupware... is greek to us
by Himanshu Shukla 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Trevor Warren wrote: > > --- Gurpreet Singh <tonysingh(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > hello > > it is really good that u guys have set up the php > > groupware > [snip] > neh...not groupware. phprojekt....guess that watz it > was. Right, it is "PHProjekt" (www.phprojekt.com ?) > > i visited the link and logged in as "test". every > > thing up there > > was like greek to me. i didnt understand how to use > > it and how wud > > it be helpful to us... > [snip] > hmmm....;) > Himanshu....guess we need to get some work done with > the login/Signup for Student-Mentor pages 2. I guess so...i even put this up on the list, asking everyone abt what the next step could be. Well, php is not exactly greek to me, as far as reading code goes, but I would rather request someone to write such an automatic sign up page for students and mentors. > > > > so plz help guys... > > and how abt adding some help pages on the site, coz > > many ppl like > > me will have such probs. just add a link for help > > and a few tips > > on how to go abt things Hold on...I think it already has some wonderful help pages. For example, if you think you can't understand what the "Votes" on the right hand side means, just click on "vote" and you'll find a new help window explaining what it is all about. The only problem is figuring out which links are actually help pages ;) OK..may b we could write a small help doc on an intro, and how to go about using phprojekt. -- Regards, | Cybertech Networks Pvt. Ltd. | email: himanshu(a)cnpl.co.in Himanshu | Web: http://www.cnpl.co.in | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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GNOWSYS Development version released
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

A development version of GNOWSYS-0.1-1 is released at http://www.zope.org/Members/nagarjuna/GNOWSYS. GNOWSYS, Gnowledge Networking and Organizing System, is a web application for developing and maintaining semantic web content developed in Python and works as an installed product in ZOPE. The application provides generic classes, viz. object, object type, association, association type, facet, facet type, occurance, occurance type, theme, scope, etc., for developing semantic web content. For those who are aware, the application follows the structure of TopicMaps (http://www.topicmaps.org). It is intended to develop as a powerful prototype application demonstrating the potential of an expert system within the paradigm+of object oriented database technology. Presently it cannot import/export the content in the form of XTM (XML Topic Maps) standard, but this feature is being developed. The application can be used for web based knowledge representation and management projects, for developing structured knowledge bases, as a collaborative authoring tool, suitable for making electronic glossaries, dictionaries and encyclopedias, for managing large web sites or links, developing an online catalogue for a library of any thing including books, to make ontologies, classifying and networking any objects etc. This tool is intended to be used also for an on-line tutoring system with dependency management system between various concepts. It also contains a facility to add rules into its rule base, and execute the rules. Once completely implemented this feature will make the product really powerful, for it can infer and make new relations. Though a prototype of rule base already exists in the developing version, more elegant implementation is being worked out. GNOSYS is a free software, released under GPL. Project website will be managed from http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnosys Sample applications that are developed using GNOWSYS will be available at http://www.gnowledge.org/, which is a site under development. You can download from the Zope site: http://www.zope.org/Members/nagarjuna/GNOWSYS This product depends on another Zope Product, Transparent Folders. Nagarjuna

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #559 - 3 msgs
by Jaideep Tejprakash Varma 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

I have RH 7.2 and squid Installed to proxy net requests. i have a Multitech 128 ISDN (External) TA, which i have configure it on linux on com1 port. Can some 1 please help me how to use the second chanel of the TA ? I also have problem with ftp & https not getting accessed form any of the stations please guide me JAideep

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phpgroupware... is greek to us
by Gurpreet Singh 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

hello it is really good that u guys have set up the php groupware and the PRC is now finally up and running, but dear dont mind this... i visited the link and logged in as "test". every thing up there was like greek to me. i didnt understand how to use it and how wud it be helpful to us... so plz help guys... and how abt adding some help pages on the site, coz many ppl like me will have such probs. just add a link for help and a few tips on how to go abt things thx Gurpreet

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Tomcat woes - Does not load (?) servlets.
by Dinesh Shah 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Hi All, I have problem with configuring Tomcat. Please help. Linux - RedHat 7.2 kernel 2.4.7 Java - 1.4.0 (j2sdk-1.4.0) (/usr/java) Tomcat - jakarta-tomcat-4.0.3 (compiled from source) Tomcat installed in "/usr/tomcat" port 8080 The example servlets which came with the tomcat is running fine. I want to enable servlets in my "DocumentRoot" My servlets are in "/home/httpd/htdocs/servlet/WEB-INF/classes" My Tomcat server.xml contains - <Context path="/servlet" docBase="/home/httpd/htdocs/servlet" debug="9" reloadable="true" > <Logger className="org.apache.catalina.logger.FileLogger" prefix="localhost_servlet_log." suffix=".txt" timestamp="true"/> My .../servlet/WEB-INF/web.xml contains - <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> <!DOCTYPE web-app PUBLIC "-//Sun Microsystems, Inc.//DTD Web Application 2.3//EN" "http://java.sun.com/dtd/web-app_2_3.dtd"> <web-app> <servlet> <servlet-name>Hello</servlet-name> <servlet-class>Hello</servlet-class> </servlet> <servlet> <servlet-name>HelloWorldExample</servlet-name> <servlet-class>HelloWorldExample</servlet-class> </servlet> </web-app> The context "servlet" loads OK. (I can see the context running in manager) When I load http://192.168.1.100:8080/servlet/Hello OR http://192.168.1.100:8080/servlet/HelloWorldExample (taken from example dir of Tomcat) It gives me "404 resource not available." I also have difficulty compiling and installing mod_jk in apache (1.3.26) All help and pointers will be greatly appreciated. TIA for your help With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)indiamail.com http://dineshah.tripod.com Mobile: 98213-11906

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[off-topic] The End of the Road ( LWN.net )
by pm＠linuxindia.org 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Guys, Check this article out : http://www.lwn.net/Articles/5052/ LWN.net is closing down. AUgust 1st 2002, is the last LWN Release. :( regards, pmehta -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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sis 6215 on slackware
by upendra gandhi 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

hi men all i want is my 2mb cheap one sis 6215c to work with slackware 8.1 how is it possible can any body goru help me on guru poornima day ok bye ===== upendra gandhi http://home.graffiti.net/upengan78 upengan78(a)hotmail.com upengan78(a)linuxfreemail.com upengan78(a)epatra.com upengan78(a)graffiti.net upengan1978(a)netscape.net upengan78(a)fuckmicrosoft.com upengan78(a)windows-sucks.com upengan78(a)fuckwindows.com upengan78(a)rediffmail.com "How the fuck did you work that out?" Pythagoras __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Taking a snap shot of the window of a program
by Amol Hatwar 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 Vikas Madhavan Alathur wrote : > > I have written a program explaining the concept of Fourier >series > > graphically using the Mesa library. The program runs in full >screen > > mode. Now I want to take a snap shot of one of its screens and >get a > > PNG image of the same. How do I get it ? > >If you have KDE installed, use ksnapshot. > I am not aware of any tools that do this except in X. However, you can always throw your own code in-that is if you have the time and need to expirement. You will need to first capture the video memory as a bitmap and use the libraries for converting it to PNG. I assume libpng has such facilities. Thanks, -ah

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MIT scheme
by abhijeet 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Hi, Does anybody on the list have MIT scheme by any chance?? I happen to be on the Wizard Book currently and would like to have some implementation of Scheme....there's guile, but it doesn't have an interface to emacs. The tarball is something like 16MB which is too large for a dial up connection. thanks abhijeet

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Taking a snap shot of the window of a program
by Abhir Joshi 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Hi I have written a program explaining the concept of Fourier series graphically using the Mesa library. The program runs in full screen mode. Now I want to take a snap shot of one of its screens and get a PNG image of the same. How do I get it ? TIA Abhir

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #558 - 8 msgs
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Hi, The problem is still presisting. I did try all the options mentioned below. I do have the hard disk still with me. Would any body like to suggest something more to that. Rgds Jaishankar > 3. Re: Does not allow login even with Su on Redhat 6.2 box >(Tapeshwar Nath) >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >--0-434438189-1027319511=:37264 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > >Hey i think your init process is getting respawned ,, hmm well >the reason may be your /etc/passwd file might have got >corrupted. >U can go in Single user mode and copy /etc/passwd.Old to >/etc/passwd and then i think it should allow u to login. >Let me know if this worked. >Tapesh >.......................................ENJOY >LINUX.................. > Philip S Tellis ><PHILIP(a)KONARK.NCST.ERNET.IN>wrote: ><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; >BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On 19 Jul 2002, Jaishankar >Krishnan Iyer wrote: > The box did NOT run any firewall >etc. The next day what we found > was, it would NOT allow us >to login at all. > At the login prompt , when one tried to >login as any user or even > "su" it would just jump back to >login prompt. did you try to login as su or as >root? > Could i get some hint as to which are the likely >files which i could > look into which could cause this >problem. This would help us further > in the penetration test >which we are conducting. have a look at your pam.d/* >files. also, by removing some groups, you may have disabled >logins. You'll have to experiment to find

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Configuring External ISDN TA with USB
by rdkoli＠excite.com 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

I have RH 7.2 Installed as a router. i have a Dlink DMI-128ESU ISDN (External) TA, which i want to configure it on linux on USB port. Can some1 please help me? ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

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by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Turbolinux
by Amol Hatwar 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 Keyur K Shroff wrote : > >Can someone comment on the rumor regarding TurboLinux? Please >see >http://www.linuxgram.com/article.pl?sid=02/07/18/0626223§ion=newsflash >for more details. > Linuxgram is authoritative ... it's *probably* true. -ah.

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Turbolinux
by Keyur K Shroff 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Can someone comment on the rumor regarding TurboLinux? Please see http://www.linuxgram.com/article.pl?sid=02/07/18/0626223&section=newsflash for more details. Thanks. Regards, Keyur

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] The groupware is finally up
by Amol Hatwar 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote : >Actually, I am facing the same problem. >I have a lot of domain expertise in Accounts, Costing and >commercial >applications >I also have adequate expertise in software development under >windows >platform. Saswata having dev experience in some *any* platform helps. And you should concentrate on leveraging your strengths rather than weaknesses. >But in Linux, I am too, like Suhit, a newbie. >What do we have to do when we become a "mentor" for a project ? >How is this >thing actually going to work ? I don't think you need anything else except domain expertise :) > >I want to be a part of the project, but am more worried about >messing things >up for others. Ha ha ... your worries are probably justified, but everyone learns on the go. As long as everyone learns *you'll learn programming Linux, the programmer will learn about your domain*, things will be fine. Regards, -ah.

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Does not allow login even with Su on Redhat 6.2 box
by Jaishankar Krishnan Iyer 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Hi Guys, I had one of my Redhat linux 6.2 box which was configured with live ip address. For experimental purpose, we did disable all services like ftp/telnet/finger etc with host.allow and host.deny allowing only one machine from our internal network to access this using ssh. The only service which was enabled was http on the external interface.There is no other services like ftp/lpd/nfs/ running on it. All the users/groups like games/shutdown/operator etc have been deleted. We have changed the permission using chattr for inet/ init conf files too. The box did NOT run any firewall etc. The next day what we found was, it would NOT allow us to login at all. At the login prompt , when one tried to login as any user or even "su" it would just jump back to login prompt. We rebooted the machine with single user mode and found that no passwd /shadow files were tampered with. Could i get some hint as to which are the likely files which i could look into which could cause this problem. This would help us further in the penetration test which we are conducting. Thanks and Regards Jaishankar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The groupware is finally up
by Suhit Kelkar 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Hi, I would like to help in the project. However, I do not know how to program. How can I assist? I am a freelance journalist and linux newbie. Suhit Kelkar -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Debian Woody CDs
by abhijeet 21 Jul '02

21 Jul '02

Hi, Does Somebody on the list know a good place to get debian woody cds?? Can somebody lend me the same, or can I have them written from somewhere? thx abhijeet

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difference betwn route and ip route
by Hiten Desai 20 Jul '02

20 Jul '02

Hi!, I am confused between route and ip route which one should be used in which case and whts the difference between both of them please help Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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lan wan routing
by Hiten Desai 20 Jul '02

20 Jul '02

Hi! I have routing problem between lan > wan wan > lan I have terminated vsat connection on a secondary lan card of linux I am able to ping remote gateways by ipchains but remote pcs are not able to ping local machines is there any thing like routing other than route command (as such ipchains would be NAT) how about routing like routers in linux if it is possible what are the commands for doing it ???? other than "ipchains" and "route" Please Help. Thanks, Hiten. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

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Re[2]: [ILUG-BOM] RH Linux not overwriting MBR.
by Vinay Pai 20 Jul '02

20 Jul '02

> Well, it also depends on which version of Windows you're using. > If you're using something like ME or XP then, the Windows OS protects the MBR > somehow. So, any other software which tries to access / overwrite MBR will > fail. How can a system that isn't even running prevent anything? I thought The best (or worst) it could do is the restore the MBR to its old state AFTER you start windows. So at the very least you should get the lilo prompt at least once. Some BIOSes do protect the MBR, though... but they usually throw up a dialog box and besides they wouldn't have an effect on Linux which accesses the hardware directly, thereby cutting the BIOS out of the picture. > 2. If you have NT Boot Loader (if using XP), then create an image file of the > boot sector using dd. Copy this file to some windows partition. Edit your A simpler way, if your NT/2k/XP boot partition (the partition with NTLDR.EXE) is installed is FAT is to create a dummy 512-byte file (using dd) and add it to the boot.ini as you described. Then set the 'boot' parameter in Lilo as the name of the file... eg. boot = /mnt/winc/lilo.bin Then so long as you have your windows partition mounted rw you can just use lilo as you always do.

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Re:RH Linux not overwriting MBR
by Rohit Ramesh 20 Jul '02

20 Jul '02

> It goes through the entire installation process, and asks me to > reboot. But then directly boots into Windows. Tried Lilo & Grub. I > explicitly asked to overwrite MBR during installation. Check to see if your motherboard supports booting into Linux beyond the 1024 cylinder limit. Regards, Rohit. ________________________________________________ Rohit Ramesh mca @ vjti rohit(a)vjtimca.net ________________________________________________ Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse.

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Re: Compiling linuxthreads for glibc
by Satya 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Okay, I did a make install on glibc-2.2.5, and pine still works. How do I know that the new glibc is being used, or will be used by newly compiled programs, and stuff? [much rebooting and fscking] I spoke too soon. Running ldconfig killed everything. I can't even get into the system in single user mode. And it looks like 2.2.5 isn't even installed. I forked /usr and / before doing all these upgrades. The only difference in /lib/libc* and /usr/lib/libc* between the old and new systems seems to be the timestamps. Filenames and filesizes are identical. Anyone want to shed some light on this? -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again.

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FEATURE: The promise of an operating system...
by Frederick Noronha 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

************************************************************************** NEVY OS -- THE PROMISE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM: LINUX KERNEL PLUS WIMP Or, why working on hardware is a hard job in India -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BRIEfnCOUNTERS: BY FREDERICK NORONHA fred at bytesforall dot org ************************************************************************** We were leaving Bangalore by the sleeper-bus (yes, Goa has this strange mode of long-distance transport) when someone can rushing in to meet me. It was twentish-something Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)mac.com>, with a small hardware device in hand. That was the best part of a year ago. We were supposed to talk to each other via e-mail. But that never happened; mostly due to this writer's fault. Each time we exchanged mail, one ended up feeling that there were still more inputs needed before the 'story' could get done. Maybe because the story itself was a rather difficult one to comprehend. Putting Kathe in touch with a journo friend in Mumbai didn't quite work out. Fighting the odds in the hardware and software world, Kathe was obviously getting increasingly irritated with having to struggle to get a hearing from the media. Writing on software which is easy to describe or understand despite the distance is one thing. Hardware and operating systems prove to be an uphill task -- specially if you're the kind of a writer who background is journalism, rather than hard-core technology. How much of an innovation is this innovation? Is it an approach that makes sense? We're still not sure... So what better than let Kathe describe his work in his own words... We invite readers' reactions to Kathe's ideas, expressed in the form of a Q&A that he sent in recently: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is Nevy OS? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevy OS is a new name of the 'Indy' operating system, the first operating system from Tisya Microsystems Pvt. Ltd., and probably the first Operating System from the Indian sub-continent. Nevy OS is being created and constantly improved to work for the upcoming computing device from Tisya, called 'Nevy'. Nevy could be a computing device which will break away from most traditional theories, and twist certain beliefs to create the real people's computer. At this point, we would prefer not to talk about Nevy, because we want to maintain an element of surprise. But, just to keep you interested, let us tell you that it's going to be a portable *not a hand-held* and will be the culmination of over four years of research and development. Nevy OS is being built on the Linux kernel with a state of the art graphical environment which is zippy yet featureful. It is based on the 'WIMP' (Windows Icons Menus Pointers) paradigm that originated at Xerox and best implemented by Apple Computers and most abused by Microsoft ;^) Nevy in its current release has a menuing system; web browser jotpad; application game of snake network configurator. This is a Preview Release 1. It is being done to let people get a feel of what is coming their way. We will be releasing updated, improvised and application rich PRs regularly. Please keep your browsers tuned in to http://www.tisya.co.in/downloads/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is it called Nevy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Nevy' and the 'Nevy OS' get their names as a tribute to the person who has touched my heart. That person was the prime cause for bringing me out of the dumps, for making me fight back and infuse a renewed sense of purpose in life. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is it not called 'Indy' anymore? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because an awesome company (SGI) in Silicon Valley makes computers by the same name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who were the people involved in the project directly/indirectly? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lots of them... But primarily, the most important people were: besides myself as the driving force and investor behind the idea, Erle Pereira, who has been one of the closest buddies and persons to support me the longest. He's also the one to be in a constant state of confusion, because of the various strategies laid out and executed by that terrible guy called Mayuresh. There's Amit Kucheria, one of the most amazing and enthusiastic brains, who have been providing constant moral support from afar (as far away as the US of A). Alan Kay, though he hasn't supported directly, but has always been the kind of person who would suddenly appear out of nowhere and tell you things which would make certain pieces of the big puzzle fit in. Mr. Jef Raskin again though not a direct supporter has been a constant guide and the force to make me think out of the box. (He also manages to give a kick on the #$%^ to wake you out of the dream world) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- When did it start, where and how? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It started sometime around the year 1997-98 when I was getting bored of all the routine development work as part of his duties at Larsen & Toubro, Mumbai. I wanted something more challenging, something which would allow me to tap into my latent potential and do something significant. I was doing quite some amount of research on easy to deploy network solutions for data exchange, also some research on handwriting recognition, add to that my inner desire to build systems which would be so easy to use that they were almost intuitive. I was also disgruntled with the fact that Windows was spreading around faster than a virus. It became obvious that the path Windows was taking would demand an upgrade to hardware almost every year. That would mean the prices of hardware almost never going down, only the power offered would be a lot more for that same cost. That was a situation not conducive to bringing computing to the general masses (that idea of bringing computing to the masses arose out of the fact that I couldn't afford a computer till I had started working) I wanted the upcoming generation to grow up with computers, be as at ease with them as my generation was with VCRs. But, I also wanted to them to be technologically sound and work in an environment which would let them focus on their job (invisibility of technology). So one fine morning, during the bus ride to my office I popped up a question to start a brain storming session with my friend Rajeev Warrier (now at PW-C). The idea was to build an information appliance which would be hooked on to vast network of data (based on the Internet, but running parallel to the WWW) allowing the user access to information at the touch of a button. The appliance would have to be small, rugged, affordable and simple to use. (Personally, I wanted to base it on the LCARS system aboard the Star Trek Enterprise in the Next Generation series.) We figured, we would need a minimalistic OS, its sole data would be to start the hardware, get on the Internet and send queries and receive and display data. To avoid problems we wanted to eliminate the concept of a floppy disk drive or a CD drive (for that we thought we would make an OS which would be non-failing). And to keep costs low, we wanted to use the television as output, and provide a keyboard with built-in pointer controller (our terminology for mouse/trackball/ peticular switch) with a long cable (wireless would be too expensive). The biggest impediment would be the network. I envisaged a network based on the standard LAN (the benefit of having worked in a corporate environment) theme, only, we would call it SN (Society Network). This network would have to be the death bell of the irritating cable television network, since I wanted to provide 'Video on Demand'. We (Rajeev and me) would discuss it in detail every morning, sometimes during lunch, in the evening bus ride. We came up with an idea of creating separate smart disks which would be plug and play to the appliance hence providing external storage space (if required). Our biggest impediment was cost, the hardware cost just would go down (especially due to the TV output interface). That problem got solved one morning when I read an article in 'PC Quest' about a new MediaGX-based motherboard, created by a company in Bangalore 'Bharati Electronics'. We were euphoric. It infused a new life to our brain-storming sessions. I went ballistic, somehow, it seemed -- the force was with us -- that things were going our way, I met up with a guy at one of my regular Linux Users meets. He was a hardware assembler. I talked about the motherboard, he said he had heard about it. I talked him into lending me one of those boards. I told him, "If this succeeds, you get a cut and you will be rolling in money. If it fails, what's there to lose? You just assemble a PC with the board and sell it off." He agreed, he contacted the BE (Bharati Electronics) office in Bombay, got hold of a board and put the whole thing in an old casing and gave it to me. I toyed around with it for a couple of weeks, showed him a demo (which was pathetic). He was not happy, and started pushing to give back the system. In the meanwhile, I had been talking with an old colleague of mine -- Deepak Sharma, who had left L&T -- about my ideas. He was working for Fore Systems which got bought out by Marconi Telecom, UK and I figured I would need his help to execute my idea of establishing SNs. He talked to me at length about my concepts, and said it was a workable idea. We had discussed it for long, and I even showed him a demo. When the assembler pressurized me too much, I had to return the machine, but that wasn't before I had taken a trip to Bangalore and shown a demo to a company, via Deepak's contacts. The company offered me a job to bring that concept to reality. I jumped as I had already got frustrated with all the ridicule at L&T. Perhaps people out there just couldn't get it, being too closed minded. I reached Bangalore, and after that things happened in a sort of fast forward. What I had imagined the company to be -- based on Deepak's information -- was not what it really was. The company was dying, and I was supposed to be their saviour. Add to that I had to do it without any support (neither people to work with, nor sufficient equipment). I worked long and hard, worked nights at end, but things were proceeding too slow, with only me working on both, the hardware specification and software development. I fell ill with Typhoid, almost scrapped death, and had to come back to Bombay for treatment. In the meanwhile, I was made into a scapegoat for the failures of that company. The company got shutdown. Luckily I escaped with the bare minimum of injuries. Back in Bombay, broken physically and emotionally, I moved around aimlessly for quite some time, till one fine day I sat and thought things out. I figured, 'I am young, haven't got much to lose and that I giving it one more shot would be the best alternative.' I started afresh, dug up old contacts, built new, spoke with a couple of developers -- Erle was one of them -- and asked around for funds. No one was investing. One of my associates had heard about my plight. He also knew that I toying around with the idea about introducing a StrongARM (processor)-based computing device. One of his business contacts had one StrongARM evaluation board which he could not use. He got us both together. The owner of the board suggested that I collaborate with his company to develop a set-top-box for his markets in the Far East. It was the turning point, though due to my inexperience I faced a lot of hardships. Though after a prolonged skirmish (and a pending case against them) the collaboration fell through, I managed to salvage around Rs 450,000 (under $10,000) from the deal as fees towards consultation and miscellaneous expenses. Using that as capital, I took a trip to Taiwan, got oriented with the workings of the place -- very amusing, those guys work with hardware like we work with software, quick.... Built a dependable base in four working days, and a prototype, came back... That was the period of the 'crash of twin towers', the market had collapsed along with them. This was the time when I figured it would be better to start improving the Operating System and develop a contact base in India. We worked on Nevy OS (then called Indy). I moved all around the place (including Bangalore, where I met a person called Fred) and showed him one of our prototypes. We did an _alpha_ release on Jan 26, 2002, and approximately 6 months from then we have now down a preview release... A Poem attributed to the people at Tisya: Here's to the crazy ones... The Misfits, The Rebels, The Troublemakers, The Round pegs in the Square Holes, The Ones who see things Differently, They're not fond of rules and have no respect for the status quo, You can quote them, Disagree with them, Glorify or Vilify them, About the only thing you can't do is ignore them, Because they change things, They push the human race forward, And while some may see them as the crazy ones, We see genius, Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, Are the ones who do

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