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by Radschiw 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:27:45 -0700 (PDT) >From: Navin Dhanuka <navin_dhanuka(a)yahoo.com> >Hello Triptpal Singh Lamba: >Email List is a place where you post your queries, so that subscribers who >have a better level of <snip> >There was no need for you to do any bum licking. I don't understand what >prompted you to do so. I strongly suggest you arrest the profanities. >I told that you can take cds from me, install in your machine (2-3-4times) >and return the cd. >In the past also I have shared & burned cds for many newbees, because >once upon a time the word >debian & linux was very much new to me & Dr. Nagarjun not only burned 3 >CDs for me but also for >that 1.5 hrs answered all my stupid & dumb questions. >I was just trying to keep the chain alive. Navin, maybe you forgot what a Linux dumbo you were exactly a year ago, when I voluntarily came to your house to install Linux for you since I was in that part of town. I left your place [Goregaon] at 2.30 am for my place at Vashi. Maybe you should have at least suggested to help out with the home fare! [330/- bucks] And to top it all, I introduced you to Dr Nagarjun. You also borrowed 2 CDs from me and returned them after 3+ months. Remember???? Since then you have suddenly become some sort of Star of David-cum-moral-beacon for the other newbies. Sadly, but too late, they could have taken a fruitful lesson in arrogance and conceit from you. Like I helped you, you have to help others - with patience and time. Not Linux only. That was my deal. I even introduced you to the imp people at CHIP HQ at Nerul, where you went about your merry incorrigible marketing ways trying to sell your .jpgs and what-have-you to them. Much to all our initial discomfiture but nonetheless contained amusement. The Icing: Then I give you a trainee job at freeos.com after listening to your intermittent and tall mktg claims ad inifinituum. [Reminded me of myself 18 yrs astern when I was your age]. You have been suddenly transformed into this holier than thou Methuselah-Solomon hybrid sprinkling gems of hemlockish wisdom within and without and whereever. Well, Triptpal Singh Lamba, I have every available Linux distro in Sol 3. Contact me and take it for free, forever. Price : show me in 2 mins flat your interest in Open source. I WILL know, pronto. - and then share it with others - by going the extra parsec - like I am doing now. I also happen to have all the versions of Oracle from 5.1B [1986] thru 9i, PHP, and a whole lot more. All the smart chappies were doing Sums or is it Number Work then, eh? > >>>...philip recommends it and he seems to be a self claimed guru so who > i am to dispute -- Philip spent 4 hrs of his Sun last,at the LUG meet at the FreeOS offices teaching others how to tune the kernel. He could well have spent Sun imbibing Ale with his compadres, or cavorting amidst copious flora with some femme fatale, or listening to Miles Davis reclining sybartically in his favourite chair 'im Heim'. But he chose this. Such sorts are more than Gurus. Gurus reek of a nostalgic claim to fame if not fortune. I would call him a Messiah - who spreads the Good Word - in a more benign and unintrusive way. Thank God, they are many like him on this list and others. <jtdsouza added...> >Philip never claimed to be a guru - nor does anyone else on the >list. But I would reccomend attending the meets and listening to >the talks, where you could judge for your self. Better still give a >talk on any subject and others might confer gurudom on you. Sounder advice, verbatim, could not be found in Terra Firma. Rajiv aka rajiv(a)freeos.com R:7823446 > 10.30pm [Call] <= 3am

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Problems with Partition Table
by noel seq 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

>From: "Kinjal Sonpal" <kinjalsonpal(a)softhome.net> >However after installing Linux, Win98 shows 3 partitions as c,d >and e where e: shows the contents of what previously belonged to >d: and now the d: show me an error message of "Invalid media >reading drive d " I too noticed a similar thing. Out of my 20GB Hdd, my first partition of 2gb is for win98, subsequently i installed linux with 250 mb for /boot, 250 mb for swap 3 GB for /root. Balance space was put in a seperate partition created in linux under fat16 which was subsequently formatted from win98. However, from win98 that i could see a new partion D: which gave me device not ready while my 13 GB space was under E: Is is normal ? Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

A few interesting links about the simputer: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/06/19/022239&mode=thread Ajit R. Anvekar didn't grow up with a computer, in fact, he bought his own PC only about two years ago, but he has already contributed to one of the best examples of Open Source's potential effect on the digital divide. The Simputer (Simple In-expensive Multi-lingual People's Computer) is a pocket-size computer, running Linux, that is designed to overcome traditional barriers to computing, like literacy, by offering a "simple and natural user interface based on sight, touch and audio." He has never been to the United States but he admires its energy for innovation. He admits that access to technology is currently difficult in India but he is confident, coming off of a project potentially pushing India's industry to the forefront, that as long as people maintain the "josh," which he explains as Hindi for spirit/fire/enthusiasm, technology will continue to evolve effectively. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2765333,00.html The first working prototypes of the Simputer were revealed last month. The Simputer is a PDA-sized handheld computer that runs on the GNU/Linux operating system. Simputer's creators are quick to point out that it's not a PC but more like a pocket computer. But it's not a Palm--it's much more powerful. Inputting information into the Simputer is accomplished by either a software keyboard that pops onto the screen or new software appropriately named Tapatap. Think of it as a freeware version of Palm's famous Graffiti http://opencollector.org/cgi-bin/news/more.pl?story=988155611&display=threa… Interview with Simputer team http://www.eet.com/story/industry/systems_and_software_news/OEG20010509S0044 The 1998 Bangalore Declaration on Information Technology was the inspiration behind the Simputer, said Vinay Deshpande, the managing trustee of The Simputer Trust and chairman of Encore Software. The Declaration sought the development and wide use of computers that bridge the so-called "digital divide." "The unveiling of the prototype is a dream come true," Deshpande said. http://www.csa.iisc.ernet.in/bangit/bangdec/bangdec.html Bangalore Declaration on Information Technology for Developing Countries in the Global Village _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

>> 2. How a measely handheld computing device can benefit a rural area > > Actually, the whole purpose of the simputer was for use in rural > India. That is the reason why it is build using reguional > languages. Currently has Kannada and a few other languages, while > support for most regional languages will come soon. Also has text to > speech conversion for people who can't read. Now tell me Philip, if you have used a handheld computer, is it easier/faster to type or scribble? Mind you, scribbling is not the same as writing. And the hand writing recoqnition technology can never be perfected, the best of technology companies like Apple, Palm and a few Russian (who pioneered it) companies have tried and failed miserably. So Palm came out with the novel idea of creating its own simplistic script and made life easy for the user, but what the heck, if the rural people have to learn one more script to use some computing device for which they have no real use, why would they do that? > The touch screen has self explanatory icons for anyone to select. The > price also, which they are trying to fix at Rs.4000/- once production > increases. Starting cost will be higher - 10000/-, but that's standard > economics supply-demand. Have you figured out the BOM of the Simputer? Its basic components itself cost Rs.3,000/- (thats at volumes of 30,000) Add to that PCB manufacturing costs, that too a 8 layered PCB Also the cost of soldering such SMDs... Then add the Casing cost (with initial cost of the mould) Also add the cost of the Touch sensitive LCD and the Smart Card reader. And then of course add to that a measely profit margin (you need that to survive) Once you are through with the above, tell me if its possible to create a "Simputer" (as the creators have envisaged) Reality bites, and it bites real hard. > To really figure out how it will help rural India, read the article > (don't think you have yet). Will read later... > This is definitely one of the best projects in India, surpassing > all the service that our IT biggies have done to the Americans. One of the best projects in India?? IT services bought in revenues to do the things like Simputer... Warm Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Re sorry list
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Hi list. Sorry for any of my mails/replies to my mails which caused any misunderstandings or problems. My only objective is to learn linux,learn it well,and contribute in my own small way to the open source movt. I have no problems with anybody and yea navin ,sorry abt anything u felt bad abt. Thank u. And yea, Most ppl call me Tript,wonder why everyone seems to be taking the trouble of typing the full name :) Regards, Triptpal Singh

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Re: ::Navin::
by Navin Dhanuka 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Hi DUDE, Everything else accepted. Last one week has been really bad for me & thats reflecting. Yes I will think not twice but thrice before sending any mail. I actually wrote that(bad lang. :: not my habit ::) to make someone (with whom I had problems since past 2 months) in particular reply against me. And my plan worked. Reread my first mail to you & you will understand. I am glad that my plan worked. (Now I will be thinking much more than 300 times to reply to the other stinker, so that I don't commit any more blunders.) >>and the reason i called u wise one was the fact that my 2 line query had generated a 2 >>page reply from you You were asking me some prob. & I had to tell you that even I am a Newbie like you and why I am doing LinuxCAMPUS & whom should you properly consult & blah blah and .... -=-=-=-= I don't think I was boasting about myself. If you were present at the Lugmeet you could have really seen one guy boasting about himself. Even after working in France for 2 years & being Oracle Guru & a plumber... Just wait for my reply ::Bakra:: I am TY BMS Stud. You are an Eng. Grad. And senior to me. My sis gave me message that someone TRIPT had given a call & left no message. Mail me ur numbers or call me anytime after 11:00 in night & before 6:00 in morning (8721626). Navin.. ......:::I::AM::A::NEWBIE:::......... ..::BUT:::MY:::GOALS:::ARE:::HIGH::.. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Problems with Partition Table
by Kinjal Sonpal 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Hi all Luggers ! On my home PC I have 10GB hdd in which there are three primary partitions - 6gb,2gb,2gb .. Win98 is installed on the first partition and the second partition also belongs to Win98 .. Linux is installed on the last partition in which I have 2 logical partitions one for Root(/) and the other for the Swap partition Before installing Linux, Win98 showed me both the partitions correctly as c: and d: as the last one was kept unused for installing Linux.. However after installing Linux, Win98 shows 3 partitions as c,d and e where e: shows the contents of what previously belonged to d: and now the d: show me an error message of "Invalid media reading drive d " In other words the positions of both the partitions are swapped (from win98 point of view) Even worse I can't access the second partition from the dos prompt .. In linux things are as they shud be and I can mount both the Win98 partitions properly .. Please help me Thanks in advance Warm Regards, $ sonpal -kj

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RE:NAVIN
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

philip recommends it and he seems to be a self claimed guru so who i am to dispute -- Check this out http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/resume.shtml . What kind of a junior you are? If you can't show respect for a person who is such a high achiever, wheres the question of disrespect ? i just said that he seems to think debian is better than redhat and who am i to dispute it (being new to linux ) I doubt you will return me my cds. So Mr. Triptpal Singh Lamba, first buy a book on letter writing & change your philosopy & attitude. (just because u think so - :) sorry - i dont agree - but u are entitled to ur own opinion) Next time think twice before sending a mail. (Now maybe u shouldnt be saying this - looking ar ur hurriedly compiled reply,i wouldnt give u too much credit for thinking at least) and the reason i called u wise one was the fact that my 2 line query had generated a 2 page reply from you...its not bum licking - so dont flatter urself.. i am just here to learn and if u have a misunderstanding clear it rather than firing me - i may be ur junior in linux-but that dosent give u any right whatsoever to judge me (wrt my abilities) ..and yea i have seen philips resume --i saw him 4 years back when he was still working on vb ----- so maybe when u dont know the entire picture ---learn to relax. Regards, Triptpal Singh

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Aseem <aseem(a)ports.cmc.net.in> wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, N. Shrikant wrote: > Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? try yourself. on linux note the file size before compression. and then then compress it with gzip, bzip2, winzip. and you will find that all these utilities do compress the files. compression you get depends on file format. i found that gzip compresses more for text files while bzip2 was good for binary file compression. i found both gzip and bzip2 better than winzip when it comes to maximum amount of compression. ---------------------- End --------------- Yep, you are right, compression results do depend on the file format. Compression basically reduces redundancies in data. Some file formats are already in compressed form. Like JPEG, MP3 etc. An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. So compressing these file formats won't give you very high compression ratio, since most of the redundancies have already been eliminated. Try saving a (fairly large) BMP as a JPEG file. Notice the reduction in size, which is a result of compression. If, interested in compression techniques, you'll find loads of reading material on the Net. If you know someone from the engineering fraternity, try getting hold of books like 'Computer Networks' by Tanenbaum, or 'Principles of Comm. Systems' by Taub & Schilling. Look for Information Theory in the latter. These are the books I came accross. There are many more. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Aseem <aseem(a)ports.cmc.net.in> wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, N. Shrikant wrote: > Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? try yourself. on linux note the file size before compression. and then then compress it with gzip, bzip2, winzip. and you will find that all these utilities do compress the files. compression you get depends on file format. i found that gzip compresses more for text files while bzip2 was good for binary file compression. i found both gzip and bzip2 better than winzip when it comes to maximum amount of compression. -------------------- End ------------------ Yep, you are right, compression results depend on the file format. Compression basically reduces redundancies in data. Some file formats are already in compressed form. Like JPEG, MP3 etc. An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. So compressing these file formats won't give you very high compression ratio, since most of the redundancies have already been eliminated. Try saving a (fairly large) BMP as a JPEG file. Notice the reduction in size, which is a result of compression. If, interested in compression techniques, you'll find loads of reading material on the Net. If you know someone from the engineering fraternity, try getting hold of books like 'Computer Networks' by Tanenbaum, or 'Principles of Comm. Systems' by Taub & Schilling. Look for Information Theory in the latter. These are the books I came accross. There are many more. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Aseem <aseem(a)ports.cmc.net.in> wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, N. Shrikant wrote: > Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? try yourself. on linux note the file size before compression. and then then compress it with gzip, bzip2, winzip. and you will find that all these utilities do compress the files. compression you get depends on file format. i found that gzip compresses more for text files while bzip2 was good for binary file compression. i found both gzip and bzip2 better than winzip when it comes to maximum amount of compression. -------------------- End ------------------ Yep, you are right, compression results depend on the file format. Compression basically reduces redundancies in data. Some file formats are already in compressed form. Like JPEG, MP3 etc. An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. So compressing these file formats won't give you very high compression ratio, since most of the redundancies have already been eliminated. Try saving a (fairly large) BMP as a JPEG file. Notice the reduction in size, which is a result of compression. If, interested in compression techniques, you'll find loads of reading material on the Net. If you know someone from the engineering fraternity, try getting hold of books like 'Computer Networks' by Tanenbaum, or 'Principles of Comm. Systems' by Taub & Schilling. Look for Information Theory in the latter. These are the books I came accross. There are many more. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Compressed files
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Aseem <aseem(a)ports.cmc.net.in> wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, N. Shrikant wrote: > Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? try yourself. on linux note the file size before compression. and then then compress it with gzip, bzip2, winzip. and you will find that all these utilities do compress the files. compression you get depends on file format. i found that gzip compresses more for text files while bzip2 was good for binary file compression. i found both gzip and bzip2 better than winzip when it comes to maximum amount of compression. -------------------- End ------------------ Yep, you are right, compression results depend on the file format. Compression basically reduces redundancies in data. Some file formats are already in compressed form. Like JPEG, MP3 etc. An MP3 file is just a compressed WAV file. So compressing these file formats won't give you very high compression ratio, since most of the redundancies have already been eliminated. Try saving a (fairly large) BMP as a JPEG file. Notice the reduction in size, which is a result of compression. If, interested in compression techniques, you'll find loads of reading material on the Net. If you know someone from the engineering fraternity, try getting hold of books like 'Computer Networks' by Tanenbaum, or 'Principles of Comm. Systems' by Taub & Schilling. Look for Information Theory in the latter. These are the books I came accross. There are many more. Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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x win problems
by Ulhas Vaidya 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

hi all, there is an observation with regards to KDE manager (i am not sure if others behave similarly). if you put the machine in screen saver mode (password protected ) and press ctl+alt+bs then xwin gets killed (actually it should not because autherization is not confirmed) and gives open access to the account! (even if it was logging the user out it would have been fine). is there anyway to stop this? ulhas

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Rediffmail line length.
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis(a)iname.com> wrote: Your line length's too long man. ------------------ End ---------------------- I thought I'd include this in my previous mail, but didn't. Should have. I wrote to Rediffmail about fixing the line length to about 72, or providing an option to do so in the preferences. The first time 'round they misunderstood "length" for *size* of the mail. I wrote again, making things very clear. That mail got no reply, and its been almost a month now, so I'm guessing they don't want to reply. I know there's atleast one person on this list who's from Rediff. Can he do something? Mr. RM? Anyway, till then, I'm going to be doing it manually. Carriage returns :) Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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solaris 8
by liloindia 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Dear Linuxers, I have recently burnt cds for solaris.... has anybody used solaris 8 (intel)... i am facing problems in installatio can somebody provide me a link to some docs on installation of solaris 8. regards lilo ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? For regular News updates go to http://in.news.yahoo.com

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Compressed files
by N. Shrikant 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Are *.gz files really compressed into smaller sizes? Because when I open a gzipped file using WinZip, the compression ratio always reads 0%, and after extracting the conctents of a gzipped file and adding up the file sizes, it totals the size of the *.gz file. So where's the compression? Also, which one can give the maximum compression, gzip or bzip? - Shrikant p.s:- is it my imagination, or are duels getting rather prolix?

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Kernel Compiling
by noel seq 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hi, Thanx guys, for all the support and encouragement. I had another linux installation at home and tried compiling it at home with a new kernel 2.4.4, which i dowloaded from kernel.org I managed compiling it and also booting into it. However before i got too excited, i found that i set my eth0 wrong. I tried to linuxconf and netconf and both gave me pipe broken error. Do i have to recompile and if i do what do i have to take care? About the upmteen problems that i faced in my office installation I think i will reinstall RHL 6.2 once again and then try to compile to the new version. The basic problem I had was gcc/cc was not installed and therefore i could not compile. Will try installing an older version of gcc. Noel. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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unable to make menuconfig
by noel seq 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hi Luggers, It all started after I started to upgrade my kernel from 2.2 to 2.4.2 as philip suggested, i untarred the 2.4.1 kernel but was unable to add the patch. While applying the 2.4.2 patch, it gave me an error : patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line unexpected end of line in patch. I continued to make menuconfig. and got the following error: rm -f include/asm ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm) make -C scripts/lxdialog all make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.1/scripts/lxdialog' >>Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. >> >>You must have Ncurses installed in order >>to use 'make menuconfig' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.1/scripts/lxdialog' i already have it installed. i.e ncurses3-1.9.9e-11.i386.rpm and ncurses-5.0-11.i386.rpm Then i downloaded gcc-2.96-54 which gave me an rpm error saying major numbers <=3 are supported. So i am upgrading rpm to 4.0.1-0.6x and it is giving me an error failed dependencies libdb-3.1.so is meeded. Am i going in circles. Is there a simpler way. Please advise. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Reminder: ACM Seminar on Data Compression, Friday June 29
by Philip S Tellis 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Dear Colleague, This is to remind you of the following ACM event. Once again, sorry for the delayed email. - Durgesh, for ACM Mumbai ACM Seminar Friday, June 29, 2001 - 6:30 p.m. Title: Data Compression Speaker: Sayyed S. A. A., NCST Venue: Lecture Theatre, NCST, Juhu Abstract:Data compression techniques are applied to files to reduce their size, which in turn increases the capacity of data storage and speeds up data transmission. Data compression draws heavily from information theory, which deals with the probability of some symbol appearing in the input. For totally random sources, each symbol is equally likely, but random sources are uncompressible. This means that the more probable an event, the less information it contains. Data compression techniques also work on this principle. If we look at real-world files, we find a lot of redundant data in them. Data compression exploits this redundancy to its advantage. I intend to give an overview of data compression About the Speaker: Mr Sayyed is a consultant in the Database and Knowledge Engineering division at NCST Juhu. His interests include Databases, compression and encryption. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Durgesh D Rao (DDR) | Email: durgesh(a)ncst.ernet.in Research Scientist, KBCS Division | Ph: 6201606x372(w), 7563437(r) National Centre for Software Technology | Fax: +91-22-6210139 Gulmohar Rd 9, Juhu, Mumbai 400049, INDIA.| Web: www.ncst.ernet.in/~durgesh ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Simputer General Public Licence - SGPL
by Philip S Tellis 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Visit http://shiva.picopeta.com/simputer/license/index.php for details on the SGPL. It's a near GPL equivalent for the simputer hardware, and fosters sharing of technical information. Philip -- The bugs you have to avoid are the ones that give the user not only the inclination to get on a plane, but also the time. -- Kay Bostic Visit my webpage at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/ Read my writings at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/ MSN philiptellis Yahoo! philiptellis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] The Simputer
by Mayuresh A Kathe 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hi Sameer, Could you explain the following: 1. Gif-image touch screen 2. How a measely handheld computing device can benefit a rural area Remember, do not believe everything you read :-) ~Mayuresh > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44642,00.html > > The Simputer looks and feels like a bulkier Palm. It uses three AAA > batteries and an Intel strong-arm chip. It has 32MB of RAM and 16MB of > Flash memory and runs on the free Linux operating system. It also features > a gif-image touch screen, e-mail and Net access when connected to a working > telephone line. And most importantly, it has a smartcard reader that > enables the machine to be used on a shared basis. > > Getting rural areas networked and connected has been a goal since before > the project began two years ago. Manohar is hoping the Indian government > will buy and distribute these machines at the village and district levels > so that each small community has at least five Simputers. > > "We are actually giving away the technology," said Shashank Garg, > co-creator and VP at Encore Software. "One of the reasons the device is > coming out at such a low price is because we have not added intellectual > property costs of the several engineers who have been working on it for the > past two years." > > http://www.simputer.org/ > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. > Linuxers mailing list > Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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C/C++ help
by Kompalli SuryaPrakash 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hello There, I need to know If there is an online (dowloadable or otherwise) verion of a good book on C/C++ like Dennis Ritchie / Bjarne Stroustroup... Ditto for Unix. N/W prog. like Richard Stevens... I had seen the 2nd Edition and felt it was mostly about how different commands work..And feel I can get this info from MAN... Or am I wrong? BTW who is the publisher for: - 8. The Art of Computer Programming, Vols. 1 - 3 (just do Vol 1 first, else you'll reel under information overload!) - Donald E. Knuth I wanted to see the " contents ", if the publisher has a website. I wud be thankful If somone posts the ISBN no. of this book :) Thnx. for the help in advance... I already have some books.. courtesy.. LUG site.. Bye, SP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Using AVG antivirus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/01 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] rpm upgrade
by noel seq 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

> >Hi Noel, > > Upgrade to rpm 3.0.6. That supports rpm 4 packages and doesn't >require db3 libs. > > To install rpm-4.0.1, you seem to be missing db3 libraries. I >think www.sleepycat.com is the site for these libs. > >- Mayank is rpm-3.0.6-6xa.ppc.rpm good enough ? I am trying it anyway. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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The Simputer
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44642,00.html The Simputer looks and feels like a bulkier Palm. It uses three AAA batteries and an Intel strong-arm chip. It has 32MB of RAM and 16MB of Flash memory and runs on the free Linux operating system. It also features a gif-image touch screen, e-mail and Net access when connected to a working telephone line. And most importantly, it has a smartcard reader that enables the machine to be used on a shared basis. Getting rural areas networked and connected has been a goal since before the project began two years ago. Manohar is hoping the Indian government will buy and distribute these machines at the village and district levels so that each small community has at least five Simputers. "We are actually giving away the technology," said Shashank Garg, co-creator and VP at Encore Software. "One of the reasons the device is coming out at such a low price is because we have not added intellectual property costs of the several engineers who have been working on it for the past two years." http://www.simputer.org/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] re: redistribute staroffice
by Nikhil Karkera 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

------------- Original Message -------------- jtdyahoo <jtdesouza(a)yahoo.com> wrote: list. But I would reccomend attending the meets and listening to the talks, where you could judge for your self. Better ---------------------- End ------------------ When is the next ILUG meet scheduled to be? Venue? And what's the agenda? I missed out on the last meet at the FreeOS.com office. Where could I find the minutes to that meet? A small brief was posted on this list and I did read it. However a summary of what was *discussed* and what was spoken would be good, over and above who spoke. It would be nice if the speaker could post a basic tutorial/article about what (s)he spoke on the ILUG site (has this been done already?). Regards, Nikhil. ____________________________________________________ Buy Feng Shui Package for Rs. 151/- only, at http://shopping.rediff.com/shopping/fengshui_mailer.htm

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] C/C++ help
by Mayuresh A Kathe 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hi, Go to Google and search for "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel... Its an excellent book (available for download in PDF and HTML formats) ~Mayuresh > I need to know If there is an online (dowloadable or otherwise) verion of a > good book on C/C++ > like Dennis Ritchie / Bjarne Stroustroup... Ditto for Unix. N/W prog. like > Richard Stevens... I had

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rpm upgrade
by noel seq 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

> Upgrade to rpm 3.0.6. That supports rpm 4 packages and doesn't >require db3 libs. > > To install rpm-4.0.1, you seem to be missing db3 libraries. I >think www.sleepycat.com is the site for these libs. I was installing rpm-3.0.6-6xa.ppc.rpm and it gave me a failed dependencies error : ld.so.1 and libb22.so.1 I have already installed ld.so-1.9.5-13.i386.rpm and do not know why the error occurs. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mr. Triptpal Singh Lamba -=- Hai Koi Jawab -=-
by Navin Dhanuka 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hello Everyone, I am sorry. Lets forget yesterday :(, improve our today, for a best tommorow. :) I am really sorry Mr. Triptpal Singh Lamba. I stay at Goregaon. 8721626, 8732869:::- Give me a call & come to collect the 3 Debian CDs. M-8-8, Bhanumati, Bangur Nagar, Goregaon (W), I am waiting for your call. Lets forget yesterday :(, improve our today, for a best tommorow. :) Navin Dhanuka "S. Krishnan" wrote: --- Navin Dhanuka <navin_dhanuka(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > There was no need for you to do any bum licking. I Language! While I appreciate your sentiments, Navin, let's keep off the expletives, please. Krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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tar files
by noel seq 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi, My existing kernel is very 2.2 something and wish to upgrade it. I've got a kernel linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 from pcq Mar 01. Is it a reliable version. How do i untar it. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] tar files
by Amish Mehta 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Rakesh Tiwari wrote: >bunzip2 linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 | tar -xzvf >or >bzip2 -d linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 | tar -xzvf no 'z' option to tar i think! only tar -xvf OR with new tar try, tar xzvf linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 Amish.

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Mr. Triptpal Singh Lamba -=- Hai Koi Jawab -=-
by Navin Dhanuka 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hello Triptpal Singh Lamba: Email List is a place where you post your queries, so that subscribers who have a better level of experience help you out. Its sharing and learning. >>>navinji - oh wise one -where and how to i pick up the debian cd frm u . >>>Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile. There was no need for you to do any bum licking. I don't understand what prompted you to do so. Your problem was you had access to only some linux distros that have come free with certain magazines. I told that you can take cds from me, install in your machine (2-3-4times) and return the cd. In the past also I have shared & burned cds for many newbees, because once upon a time the word debian & linux was very much new to me & Dr. Nagarjun not only burned 3 CDs for me but also for that 1.5 hrs answered all my stupid & dumb questions. I was just trying to keep the chain alive. >>>...philip recommends it and he seems to be a self claimed guru so who i am to dispute -- Check this out http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/resume.shtml . What kind of a junior you are? If you can't show respect for a person who is such a high achiever, I doubt you will return me my cds. So Mr. Triptpal Singh Lamba, first buy a book on letter writing & change your philosopy & attitude. Because of some reasons I won't be able to share my cds with you. I am sorry!!. You can wait for Rs 125/- CD scheme which I might launch some odd day or you can contact FreeOS.com & buy cds from them. Next time think twice before sending a mail. Wish you all the best. Navin Dhanuka LinuxCAMPUS.net E-learning center for Linux & open source technologies. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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kernel upgrade was tar files
by noel seq 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Sometime philip said: >Next, download patch for 2.4.2: > >% wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/patch-2.4.2.bz2 >% cd linux >% bzcat ../patch-2.4.2.bz2 | patch -p1 > >This will patch the kernel sources After giving this command, it started processing but ended with the error unexpected end of fine in path. Can i run make menuconfig or download a new patch and continue from there? what about the half installation of the 2.4.2 patch. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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re: redistribute staroffice
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

yes u are allowed to redistribute staroffice - the linux and win versions have come in the earlier called chip mag - so i dont see a problem ... Are you allowed to redistribute StarOffice? Philip and yes philip ---i KNOW its idle mind - IDEAL would be a pun ;) but then again if u didnt get the joke - its ok.. navinji - oh wise one -where and how to i pick up the debian cd frm u ....philip recommends it and he seems to be a self claimed guru so who i am to dispute -- Regards, Triptpal Singh Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] tar files:correction
by Amish Mehta 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Sorry made miztakez! :-) Amish Mehta wrote: > >tar xzvf linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 tar xyvf linux-2.4.1.tar.bz2 Amish.

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/faq/review/web links has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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rpm upgrade
by noel seq 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi, I am trying to install gcc-2.96-54 and i get the message only major numbers <=3 are supported. then i downloaded rpm-4.0.1-0.6x and tried to install it and got the error failed dependencies libdb-3.1.so is meeded Where do i get this? Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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red hat
by Triptpal Singh Lamba 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

ok here goes i am an absolutely faltu (read -just finished his Be comps last week ) ideal mind (what was it ideal minds being devils workshops).... and with little idea of linux limited to seeing it boot and typing vi/gcc blah blah at the prompt i survived college with barely writing a socket pgm and a fork pgm.. now i really want to learn network programming,shell scripting ..any gurus/good traning institutes in mumbai -- ? or do u all know any books /sites... i will be installing redhat 6.2 this week end frm pcq2k cd..i do have suse linux -- is redhat a good choice ? Regards, Triptpal Singh Before criticising anybody step into their shoes and walk for a mile. (phillip u may run the mile - hey u are the guy who made that useful(read less) thingy industrial revolution ;) i am frm rait (technovate) --- i remembered u see...

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RPM's
by acharya＠dacafe.com 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi everyone This is my first query to the forum. How to build an RPM?? Priyadarshi Acharya _____________________________________________________________ Tired of limited space on Yahoo and Hotmail? Free 100 Meg email account available at http://www.dacafe.com

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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Ilug-Bom Web Site - Updated !
by linuxers-admin＠cc4.tifr.res.in 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi All! A new article/news has been just posted to the ilug-bom web site. -- Webmaster @ Ilug-Bom

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>>Areu allowed to redistribute StarOffice?
by Navin Dhanuka 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi, Many other linux cds reseller are selling star office cds or giving it free as a package. In one of the old Chip CDs also star office was there. Hence I believe I can redistribite it. Before starting anything officially I will make a list of all the softs and consult with you, and try to make a check, that I am not breaking any law. With Best Regards, Navin Dhanuka LinuxCAMPUS.net >>Areu allowed to redistribute StarOffice? >>Philip __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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/etc/sysctl.conf info
by Manish Jethani 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Where do I get information on how to configure my /etc/sysctl.conf? I am installing IBM DB2 and as a part of the procedure, I have to edit that file "set maximum message queues to 128" (I don't know what that means, but I am sure it's got nothing to do with email messages). Here's what I have to add to the file -- # Sets maximum number of message queues to 128 # Set this to 1024 or higher on production systems kernel.msgmni = 128 What does that parameter mean? There's no manpage for the conf file. Manish -- Second Law of Final Exams: In your toughest final -- for the first time all year -- the most distractingly attractive student in the class will sit next to you.

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #28 - 15 msgs
by sumeet gulechha 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

> From: "Triptpal Singh Lamba" > <triptpalsingh(a)yahoo.com> > > now i really want to learn network programming,shell > scripting ..any = > gurus/good traning institutes in mumbai -- ? or do > u all know any books = > /sites... i will be installing redhat 6.2 this week > end frm pcq2k cd..i = > do have suse linux -- is redhat a good choice ? 'Beej's guide to unix network programming" is available online (search on Google) - it is simple/easy to understand. Sumeet ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RPM's
by Mayank 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

Hi, Way better documentation is available online in the form of Maximum RPM Check out http://www.rpmdp.org/rpmbook/ - Mayank 6/27/2001 9:34:37 AM, "S. Krishnan" <sri_krishnan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >man rpm > > >Krishnan > > >--- acharya(a)dacafe.com wrote: >> Hi everyone >> >> >> This is my first query to the forum. >> >> How to build an RPM?? >> >> Priyadarshi Acharya >> >_____________________________________________________________ >> Tired of limited space on Yahoo and Hotmail? >> Free 100 Meg email account available at >> http://www.dacafe.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at >> TIFR. >> Linuxers mailing list >> Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Richard Stallman's Public Lecture 5pm 17th July, at TIFR. >Linuxers mailing list >Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

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Re: [[ILUG-BOM] red hat]
by ashok iyer 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

"Triptpal Singh Lamba" <triptpalsingh(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- ok here goes i am an absolutely faltu (read -just finished his Be comps last week ) ideal mind (what was it ideal minds being devils workshops).... and with little idea of linux limited to seeing it boot and typing vi/gcc blah blah at the prompt i survived college with barely writing a socket pgm and a fork pgm.. You should consider yourself lucky. Many other BEs had to be content with Turbo C and the Alt-R and CTRL-F9 stuff. Many probably did not even know what a socket is. now i really want to learn network programming,shell scripting ..any gurus/good traning institutes in mumbai -- ? or do u all know any books /sites... i will be installing redhat 6.2 this week end frm pcq2k cd..i do have suse linux -- is redhat a good choice ? Red Hat 6.2 is a good choice. If possible get your hands on Richard Stevens' "Unix Network Programming" The new edition (second) comes in 2 volumes. I personally consider it the Bible of network progrmming and many will agree. It is a complete rewrite of the 1st. edition and is EXCELLENT to say the least. Both volumes may together cost around Rs. 550/-. But they have tremendous shelf value. Regards, Ashok

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Re: [[ILUG-BOM] red hat]
by ashok iyer 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

"Triptpal Singh Lamba" <triptpalsingh(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- ok here goes i am an absolutely faltu (read -just finished his Be comps last week ) ideal mind (what was it ideal minds being devils workshops).... and with little idea of linux limited to seeing it boot and typing vi/gcc blah blah at the prompt i survived college with barely writing a socket pgm and a fork pgm.. You should consider yourself lucky. Many other BEs had to be content with Turbo C and the Alt-R and CTRL-F9 stuff. Many probably did not even know what a socket is. now i really want to learn network programming,shell scripting ..any gurus/good traning institutes in mumbai -- ? or do u all know any books /sites... i will be installing redhat 6.2 this week end frm pcq2k cd..i do have suse linux -- is redhat a good choice ? Red Hat 6.2 is a good choice. If possible get your hands on Richard Stevens' "Unix Network Programming" The new edition (second) comes in 2 volumes. I personally consider it the Bible of network progrmming and many will agree. It is a complete rewrite of the 1st. edition and is EXCELLENT to say the least. Both volumes may together cost around Rs. 550/-. But they have tremendous shelf value. Regards, Ashok

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