Dear all,
We've just witnessed a debate about allowing /banning HTML mail. I received (or didn't receive, choose whatever you want) such a mail from ILUG Delhi, which highlights the problem of banning such mail.
One member, Tarun Upadhyay, has done some hard work to create a table listing software available commercially and in open source, and has tried to start a discussion. His table, when sent in HTML, got blocked because ILUG Delhi blocks all attachments. When he sent it as in-line plain text, you can see what came through. I can't read head or tail of it because of the line wrapping, and I don't have time to manually re-format it just to read it.
Tarun is probably going to try putting it up on some Website. Not all of us list members have access to such Websites, and the ILUG groups don't seem to provide this sort of Vault as a service to its members. (ILUG Delhi certainly doesn't seem to.) And if I were in his place, I wouldn't have taken the trouble to find a Website in this case; this table covers a subject fundamental enough for me to want to send it to all list members by email.
I asked Tarun, by direct email, to send me the table as an HTML attachment. He did. My purpose was served. Is this a scalable model? If a hundred members of ILUGD (they have many hundred) had asked individually, should I expect that he'll oblige all of them?
Who loses and who wins in this case? I'd say the whole mailing list loses, because no discussion really happens, and Tarun Upadhyay's work "goes waste" in a sense. As it is, we know how rare it is for any member of any list to create any original content and submit it to the list. What would you suggest we should do in situations like this?
My suggestion: all emails submitted with attachments should be forwarded with moderator approval (if Mailman permits such a filtering); It should not blindly be stripped of attachments.
Just a thought. :)
regards, Shuvam
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text.
Microsoft OSSCommercial Unix
Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003 Linux, BSD AIX, Solaris
Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory OpenLDAP NDS, sunOne
File Services -volume management Volume Manager LVM VeritasManager -distributed DFS Samba, NFS (Client mode) NFS, AFS
Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql Oracle
Network Services -VPN, Firewalling PPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN,
iptables
Checkpoint -Routing, WAN RAS, ICS iproute2 cisco routers -DNS Active Directory bind ? -Mail Exchange Sendmail, Qmail sunOne messaging +HTTP Services -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+ Tomcat, Jboss, Apache Weblogic,MQSeries -Proxy Server ISA Squid iPlanet ? -Content Management, Portals CMS Wiki? Plum Tree
Application Frameworks .NET J2EE J2EE
Network Management SMS,MOM OpenNMS Tivoli, OpenView
Collaboration Exchange + Outlook ? Domino
Business Integration BizTalk ? WebMethods,Vitria
Let me know your opinions please.
Thanks Tarun
-----Original Message----- From: ilugd-bounces+tarun=tarunupadhyay.com@lists.linux-delhi.org [mailto:ilugd-bounces+tarun=tarunupadhyay.com@lists.linux-delhi.org] On Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Ooops. Forgot to attach the list. Here it comes.
From: ilugd-bounces+tarun=tarunupadhyay.com@lists.linux-delhi.org [mailto:ilugd-bounces+tarun=tarunupadhyay.com@lists.linux-delhi.org] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net
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