This is just your assumption, who is asking any one to credit GNU for a non GNU project? The system is indeed GNU system with Linux as a kernel. When the kernel was completed, the only thing you need is to add is the GNU system to make it an OS. And the kernel was also completed using GNU tools. Under such a situation, why do you think we are asking for a thing that we didn't deserve?
Hehehe. Thank you. Exactly what I needed to hear from an FSF representative. Now would you be so kind as to make sure everyone who tries to spread GNU philosophy is clear upon this point?
What do you mean? I think you never needed to hear anything from any FSF representative. You need to tender an apology. Pray do not start throwing mud around, and then do a 'hehehe'. Get me one GNU hacker who said Linux is owned by GNU.
I've had arguments with people about this, even during the RMS lecture. Pity, for the lack of time on RMS' part meant that I couldn't bring up this issue right there.
Does not mean you level false charges and go 'hehehe'.
There goes Vihan's argument from the Andheri BoF. Granted that he did not mean that GNU owned the kernel, but I suppose he has no right to say this:
"But Linus himself uses GCC to build the kernel.."
Eh? Why can not Vihan say so? Linus Torvalds said he could not have made Linux without GCC. He does say GCC is used to compile Linux.
Yes, well the point is, to a layman, who is completely new to this world, the word GNU doesn't make any sense.
Ok fine. So what makes sense? Linux? The X factor is it, eh?
For all the reasoning, Linus Torvalds can be labelled as egoistic, if one went by the anti-FSF lobby. After all Linus named the kernel after himself, while Stallman never named GCC as 'Stallman Compiler Collection', Emacs as 'Stallman Editor', and the Free Software Movement as 'Stallman's Movement', and GNU as 'Stallman is Not Proprietary'. :-) But many GNU people do think Linux sounds cool, so why throw mud at GNU?
Regards, Debarshi
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For all the reasoning, Linus Torvalds can be labelled as egoistic, if one went by the anti-FSF lobby. After all Linus named the kernel after himself, while Stallman never named GCC as 'Stallman Compiler Collection', Emacs as 'Stallman Editor', and the Free Software Movement as 'Stallman's Movement', and GNU as 'Stallman is Not Proprietary'. :-) But many GNU people do think Linux sounds cool, so why throw mud at GNU?
I am not trying to support Linus, but FYI, the the name `Linux' was termed by Ari Lemmke who was the sysadmin of ftp.helsinki.fi where `Linux' was hosted for the first time. Linus himself termed it `Freax' (Free + Freak + X from UNIX (TM)) and he too thought that the term `Linux' was a bit egoistic. That said, I'd like to affirm that Linus Torvalds _never_ supported the Free Software movement / philosophy. He himself admitted to using the GPL as a side-effect of using GNU tools. The first version of `Linux' was non-free which he later changed to GPL v2.
Regards, BG
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On 11/10/06 21:48 +0000, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote: <snip>
"But Linus himself uses GCC to build the kernel.."
Eh? Why can not Vihan say so? Linus Torvalds said he could not have made Linux without GCC. He does say GCC is used to compile Linux.
Linus used GCC because it was the only free (beer) compiler available to him on a x86.
Yes, well the point is, to a layman, who is completely new to this world, the word GNU doesn't make any sense.
Ok fine. So what makes sense? Linux? The X factor is it, eh?
For all the reasoning, Linus Torvalds can be labelled as egoistic, if one went by the anti-FSF lobby. After all Linus named the kernel after himself, while Stallman never named GCC as 'Stallman Compiler
Linus didn't name the kernel. He wanted to name it Freenix, the person sponsoring his hosting put it in a directory named linux (For Linus' Unix).
Collection', Emacs as 'Stallman Editor', and the Free Software Movement as 'Stallman's Movement', and GNU as 'Stallman is Not Proprietary'. :-) But many GNU people do think Linux sounds cool, so why throw mud at GNU?
But honestly, we aren't throwing mud at GNU. We are merely refusing to say GNU/Linux because it makes no sense to us.
Devdas Bhagat
On Thursday 12 October 2006 03:18, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote:
This is just your assumption, who is asking any one to credit GNU for a non GNU project? The system is indeed GNU system with Linux as a kernel. When the kernel was completed, the only thing you need is to add is the GNU system to make it an OS. And the kernel was also completed using GNU tools. Under such a situation, why do you think we are asking for a thing that we didn't deserve?
Hehehe. Thank you. Exactly what I needed to hear from an FSF representative. Now would you be so kind as to make sure everyone who tries to spread GNU philosophy is clear upon this point?
What do you mean? I think you never needed to hear anything from any FSF representative. You need to tender an apology. Pray do not start throwing mud around, and then do a 'hehehe'. Get me one GNU hacker who said Linux is owned by GNU.
No. No apology in this case. I am not simply throwing mud. It is a fact. Hence what I said above.. please make sure that all the GNU fans are clear upon this matter. I was having this argument during RMS' recent lecture. No apology. I apologise when I think I must. Look at the list archives for proof of that.
Btw. I never said GNU `hacker'. I said GNU `fans'.
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